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My wife went upstairs to wake our kids up this morning.   As she woke up our 12 year old daughter, the first thing she asked was who won the election.  My wife tells her Trump did, and she started to

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Congrats on you and your wife failing as parents and raising a generation of pussies. 

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Can we please knock this shit off about the big, mean liberals that have been so uncool to Trump supporters? Why, because Jimmy Kimmel insults them every night? The language from the top of the GOP ha

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2 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I'm going to really, really enjoy watching his voters get smacked in the head and nuts with

You say that, but I don't think you fully realize just how bad it would have to get for these guys to admit fault for their vote and blame Donald Trump for literally anything. $10 eggs and $6 gas? "Oh, this is just the temporary pain before utopia begins."

It's never going to be as satisfying as we hope.

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You say that, but I don't think you fully realize just how bad it would have to get for these guys to admit fault for their vote and blame Donald Trump for literally anything. $10 eggs and $6 gas? "Oh, this is just the temporary pain before utopia begins."

It's never going to be as satisfying as we hope.

Probably.  But they'll still get the dildo of consequence.  They can blame "Sleepy Joe" all they want, but in their heart of hearts...they'll know.  

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I wouldn’t be gleeful about people learning how they’ve fucked up. The “find[ing] out” is coming for all of us.

How can y’all not still be angry and depressed? We’re in a real dystopia now. There are no next elections. There will be no consequences when our idiot neighbors finally realize what they’ve done. It is over. All that remains is for each pitiful roadblock to the consolidation of power in the hands of one man to be obliterated. It won’t take long.

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Here is my thing about the tariffs. I am 99.9% certain Donald Trump has no fucking clue how they work. I am sure his people tried to explain it, but he is really that stupid.

Second, for those that think he does and say, "Oh, Tariffs will bring back manufacturing." They most likely won't. Even if you manufactured some of those goods here, the start up costs alone would most likely be prohibitive. And for some of them, the know how just does not exist. So, this is going to be really fun to watch play out coupled with mass deportations.

Fortunately, if I want French wine, luxury goods, etc.. I can go to Europe anytime and buy them direct. The people bitching about the price of eggs and milk, not so much.

Good fucking luck, rubes.

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Do you not understand how tariffs work? You negged me in the markets thread over it too lol

I’m sure the fanfic actually happened thousands of times across this great land yesterday less than 24hrs after the election.

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Democrats and liberal pundits are already trying to figure out how the Trump campaign not only bested Kamala Harris in the “Blue Wall” states of the Midwest and the Rust Belt, but gained on her even in areas that should have been safe for a Democrat. Almost everywhere, Donald Trump expanded his coalition, and this time, unlike in 2016, he didn’t have to thread the needle of the Electoral College to win: He can claim the legitimacy of winning the popular vote.

Trump’s opponents are now muttering about the choice of Tim Walz, the influence of the Russians, the role of the right-wing media, and whether President Joe Biden should not have stepped aside in favor of Harris. Even the old saw about “economic anxiety” is making a comeback.

These explanations all have some merit, but mostly, they miss the point. Yes, some voters still stubbornly believe that presidents magically control the price of basic goods. Others have genuine concerns about immigration and gave in to Trump’s booming call of fascism and nativism. And some of them were just never going to vote for a woman, much less a Black woman.

But in the end, a majority of American voters chose Trump because they wanted what he was selling: a nonstop reality show of rage and resentment. Some Democrats, still gripped by the lure of wonkery, continue to scratch their heads over which policy proposals might have unlocked more votes, but that was always a mug’s game. Trump voters never cared about policies, and he rarely gave them any. (Choosing to be eaten by a shark rather than electrocuted might be a personal preference, but it’s not a policy.) His rallies involved long rants about the way he’s been treated, like a giant therapy session or a huge family gathering around a bellowing, impaired grandpa.

Back in 2021, I wrote a book about the rise of “illiberal populism,” the self-destructive tendency in some nations that leads people to participate in democratic institutions such as voting while being hostile to democracy itself, casting ballots primarily to punish other people and to curtail everyone’s rights—even their own. These movements are sometimes led by fantastically wealthy faux populists who hoodwink gullible voters by promising to solve a litany of problems that always seem to involve money, immigrants, and minorities. The appeals from these charlatans resonate most not among the very poor, but among a bored, relatively well-off middle class, usually those who are deeply uncomfortable with racial and demographic changes in their own countries.

And so it came to pass: Last night, a gaggle of millionaires and billionaires grinned and applauded for Trump. They were part of an alliance with the very people another Trump term would hurt—the young, minorities, and working families among them.

Trump, as he has shown repeatedly over the years, couldn’t care less about any of these groups. He ran for office to seize control of the apparatus of government and to evade judicial accountability for his previous actions as president. Once he is safe, he will embark on the other project he seems to truly care about: the destruction of the rule of law and any other impediments to enlarging his power.

Americans who wish to stop Trump in this assault on the American constitutional order, then, should get it out of their heads that this election could have been won if only a better candidate had made a better pitch to a few thousand people in Pennsylvania. Biden, too old and tired to mount a proper campaign, likely would have lost worse than Harris; more to the point, there was nothing even a more invigorated Biden or a less, you know, female alternative could have offered. Racial grievances, dissatisfaction with life’s travails (including substance addiction and lack of education), and resentment toward the villainous elites in faraway cities cannot be placated by housing policy or interest-rate cuts.

No candidate can reason about facts and policies with voters who have no real interest in such things. They like the promises of social revenge that flow from Trump, the tough-guy rhetoric, the simplistic “I will fix it” solutions. And he’s interesting to them, because he supports and encourages their conspiracist beliefs. (I knew Harris was in trouble when I was in Pennsylvania last week for an event and a fairly well-off business owner, who was an ardent Trump supporter, told me that Michelle Obama had conspired with the Canadians to change the state’s vote tally in 2020. And that wasn’t even the weirdest part of the conversation.)

As Jonathan Last, editor of The Bulwark, put it in a social-media post last night: The election went the way it did “because America wanted Trump. That’s it. People reaching to construct [policy] alibis for the public because they don’t want to grapple with this are whistling past the graveyard.” Last worries that we might now be in a transition to authoritarianism of the kind Russia went through in the 1990s, but I visited Russia often in those days, and much of the Russian democratic implosion was driven by genuinely brutal economic conditions and the rapid collapse of basic public services. Americans have done this to themselves during a time of peace, prosperity, and astonishingly high living standards. An affluent society that thinks it is living in a hellscape is ripe for gulling by dictators who are willing to play along with such delusions.

The bright spot in all this is that Trump and his coterie must now govern. The last time around, Trump was surrounded by a small group of moderately competent people, and these adults basically put baby bumpers and pool noodles on all the sharp edges of government. This time, Trump will rule with greater power but fewer excuses, and he—and his voters—will have to own the messes and outrages he is already planning to create.

Those voters expect that Trump will hurt others and not them. They will likely be unpleasantly surprised, much as they were in Trump’s first term. (He was, after all, voted out of office for a reason.) For the moment, some number of them have memory-holed that experience and are pretending that his vicious attacks on other Americans are just so much hot air.

Trump, unfortunately, means most of what he says. In this election, he has triggered the unfocused ire and unfounded grievances of millions of voters. Soon we will learn whether he can still trigger their decency—if there is any to be found.

From today's Atlantic. This is something I've been saying for years.

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I’m sure the fanfic actually happened thousands of times across this great land yesterday less than 24hrs after the election.

Lemmie give you some reality then. My family business is still paying the 25% tariff that Trump put in place last time he was in office. The price increases from that are still there.
They are already figuring price increases for next year if tariffs go into place. They are considered a small / medium business. If they are already doing this type of thing - I guarantee you others are as well.
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Lemmie give you some reality then. My family business is still paying the 25% tariff that Trump put in place last time he was in office. The price increases from that are still there.
They are already figuring price increases for next year if tariffs go into place. They are considered a small / medium business. If they are already doing this type of thing - I guarantee you others are as well.

Did they gather all employees and explain how the leopards ate their face?

No Bonuses says Scrooge!  
 

Interesting this wasn’t a concern the last 4 years, or thst Joey JoJo could get rid of the tariffs literally today….hmmmm????

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Did they gather all employees and explain how the leopards ate their face?
No Bonuses says Scrooge!  
 
Interesting this wasn’t a concern the last 4 years, or thst Joey JoJo could get rid of the tariffs literally today….hmmmm????

For us it was a concern. I told people all the time that prices were still high due to a Trump tariff. I have zero platform, so it’s like pissing in the wind. For us - it’s a major knock on Biden. Most people forgot and just bitched about pricing.

Oh, and yes, the employees do know about tariffs. That said - they run a good business and still profit share. Not all business owners are like that.
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1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

You say that, but I don't think you fully realize just how bad it would have to get for these guys to admit fault for their vote and blame Donald Trump for literally anything. $10 eggs and $6 gas? "Oh, this is just the temporary pain before utopia begins."

It's never going to be as satisfying as we hope.

Because they are the dumbest most ignorant fucks to ever walk the earth.

That orange goblin could eat a baby on live television and they would applaud it.

 

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Students at Alabama State, Clemson, and the university of Alabama got these texts today:
 
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Where did you run across this? It went out to all Clemson students? Just curious — my wife went there and I wanted more context before sharing with her.
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10 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

 

Man, it does my heart good when someone posts a gem like this.  I wasn't a punk but I loved that movement. Energy. Darkness. Wit. I can't name many songs, but I loved that presence. Perhaps I'm whimsical for some real expression.

This Teddy Bear Song was used in a car commercial. Moving in it's scowling way. Farewell Punk.

You can hear me laughing to myself

If you could you would be someone else

 

I wish Jodie Foster's Army or G. Gordon Liddy's Marching Band would set up outside the White House next spring and never stop.

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You say that, but I don't think you fully realize just how bad it would have to get for these guys to admit fault for their vote and blame Donald Trump for literally anything. $10 eggs and $6 gas? "Oh, this is just the temporary pain before utopia begins."

It's never going to be as satisfying as we hope.

Millei is a good example they are already turning on him a year later, he did the same song and dance, and people actually voted for it, they never voted for Musk creating austerity, I really really hope it happens we need accelerationism now, I literally woke up last night as an accelerationist because it is better than the establishment party at fighting back against fascim, you will be remembered as Andrew Johnson was Joe Biden, maybe even worse because it was immediate, going soft on fascism and wanting the establishment way was a losing strategy.

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1 hour ago, DaysOff said:


My shock and rage have mostly disappeared. This laughable country deserves everything coming to it. A chimpanzee with the nuclear codes, Elmo crashing the economy, RFK heading up the FDA or CDC. This shit's going to be more hilarious than aggy football in November. They break it; they own it. Sure, people will die due to their incompetence. Otherwise, enjoy the laughs.

It's not the dying that makes me sad.  Everyone dies. 

It's the preventable suffering that will slowly be inflicted upon people - primarily the poor, immigrants, and women.  Add in some child suffering due to roll backs of vaccines and the continued deconstruction of public schools... like, as a parent of young kids, is it not a DUTY now to explore moving the fuck out of Texas or even the US?  Feels like it's the least I could do for my kids future.

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It's not the dying that makes me sad.  Everyone dies. 

It's the preventable suffering that will slowly be inflicted upon people - primarily the poor, immigrants, and women.  Add in some child suffering due to roll backs of vaccines and the continued deconstruction of public schools... like, as a parent of young kids, is it not a DUTY now to explore moving the fuck out of Texas or even the US?  Feels like it's the least I could do for my kids future.

I wish all liberals would follow through and move already.  Don't threaten me with a good time.

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Millei is a good example they are already turning on him a year later, he did the same song and dance, and people actually voted for it, they never voted for Musk creating austerity, I really really hope it happens we need accelerationism now, I literally woke up last night as an accelerationist because it is better than the establishment party at fighting back against fascim, you will be remembered as Andrew Johnson was Joe Biden, maybe even worse because it was immediate, going soft on fascism and wanting the establishment way was a losing strategy.

wat

Just now, Frank Drebin said:

I wish all liberals would follow through and move already.  Don't threaten me with a good time.

You are a bad person

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What part? Millei in Argentina gave them extreme austerity and they are pissed off, and that was his actual platform they voted for it, trust me cold water is the best propaganda dissinfectant.

As for Joe, his legacy was the return of Trump, that is the only thing he will be remembered for.

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What part? Millei in Argentina gave them extreme austerity and they are pissed off, and that was his actual platform they voted for it, trust me cold water is the best propaganda dissinfectant.

As for Joe, his legacy was the return of Trump, that is the only thing he will be remembered for.

Your information is off when it comes to Milei’s approval ratings 

https://www.voanews.com/a/milei-s-popularity-rebounds-as-argentina-s-markets-hit-record-highs/7842577.html
 

your mind will be blown when you do some research on Bukele’s popularity in El Salvador. Right wing “authoritarians” have never been more popular.

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Your information is off when it comes to Milei’s approval ratings 

https://www.voanews.com/a/milei-s-popularity-rebounds-as-argentina-s-markets-hit-record-highs/7842577.html
 

your mind will be blow when you do some research on Bukels’s popularity in El Salvador.

Lol that is already a month old

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Bukele is popular but he did not practice austerity, AND people voted for austerity in Argentina. I want them to do it no more stealing populist shit from the left like COVID handouts, got to ham deleting the deficit. I will survive but will you? lol when GDP drops 10-20-40% we will see how bullish you are.

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Your information is off when it comes to Milei’s approval ratings 

https://www.voanews.com/a/milei-s-popularity-rebounds-as-argentina-s-markets-hit-record-highs/7842577.html
 

your mind will be blow when you do some research on Bukels’s popularity in El Salvador.

https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/argentina/milei-is-argentinas-most-popular-leader-but-disapproval-grows.phtml

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About 41 percent of Argentines have a positive image of Milei, putting him ahead of former president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, with 38 percent, and Buenos Aires Province Governor Axel Kicillof, with 36 percent, according to LatAm Pulse, a survey conducted by AtlasIntel for Bloomberg News. 

Milei also stands far above former president Mauricio Macri, who has a positive image for only 23 percent of the population, according to AtlasIntel. If those numbers hold, the libertarian leader could increase his party’s share of congressional seats in mid-term elections next year, when he’ll seek to win over voters from Macri’s centre-right PRO party. 

Yet Milei’s approval rating has been declining as his austerity measures bite: 51 percent of the population now disapproves of the way he’s governing the country, compared with 48 percent in March. 

A large number of Argentines are also negative about the country’s economic prospects, in contrast with investors’ more optimistic view of the country. About 78 percent of the respondents see Argentina’s economy as “bad” right now, and nearly two-thirds anticipate that their family’s financial situation will stay the same or get worse in the next six months.

More than half of the population expects their purchasing power to decline further in the next six months as inflation and unemployment remain among the country’s top concerns. 

Argentines also oppose Milei’s most radical stances on a number of issues, suggesting his uncompromising views may have a high political cost.

Most are against privatising all state-run companies as the president would like to do; those in favor of the price controls he’s scrapped outnumber those who prefer businesses to decide; and more than 60 percent of respondents say the government needs to improve its relationship with Brazil after the libertarian traded insults with President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. 

But Milei’s most powerful campaign symbol, the chainsaw, has won over citizens: 62 percent say they agree that it’s better to cut spending than raise taxes. 

 

41% approval overall with sentiment towards most of his specific policies and future economic prospects being very negative. IDK if I'd call that "popular"

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I wouldn’t be gleeful about people learning how they’ve fucked up. The “find[ing] out” is coming for all of us.

How can y’all not still be angry and depressed? We’re in a real dystopia now. There are no next elections. There will be no consequences when our idiot neighbors finally realize what they’ve done. It is over. All that remains is for each pitiful roadblock to the consolidation of power in the hands of one man to be obliterated. It won’t take long.

This was the issue. This was the newsstory. This should have energized a vast majority to reject Trump's clearly stated intentions for the future backed by the evidence from what he has done in the past. This is the real paradigm of conflict. The old paradigms of policy are so secondary as to be basically irrelevant. 

I had to spend time in the car yesterday to get a knee looked at in Austin. I grit my teeth and turned on public radio to hear show after show tease their upcoming analysis of the election from their experts. I'd turned off the coverage at 930pm Tuesday and only come here to confirm what was evidently happening. So, I'll listen to some radio.

Show after show talked about exit polls and why the electorate rejected Harris: inflation. the economy. Biden.

Sometimes there would be a mildly stated footnote that actually these things were doing pretty good. The perception was wrong. Hmmmm, why? They were not interested in pursuing that.

In the discussion of important issues, what softlynow describes above was left out. As for the public's misperception of reality, nobody wanted to explore that. They said evidently Proposition 2025 didn't matter as much because Trump had distanced himself.

The complete corruption of good faith discourse was not discussed. That's a too fancy way to say the Trump campaign's stream of outrageous lies was not discussed as a strategy and the danger it poses to productive political discourse.

The degree to which the electorate knew what Prop 2025 was was not discussed. Certainly the reason for the ignorance was not addressed by those responsible for reporting.

Digging into why so few Trump voters cared about the stated intentions to wreck the republic wasn't on the shows' agendas.

Their own failures were evidently not even recognized. They can't even report the disaster this poses for the country considering who will fill key rolls and why it's bad. 

It was the usual tired template repeated over and over. The giant story of the election of a felon who stole state secrets and sent a mob to invade the Capitol and what this means about this country's processes and character was not discussed. 

Lastly, in discussing the female vote not one person mentioned Christian Nationalism as a possible element swaying female voters about reproductive rights or even privacy rights once (correctly) taken for granted. In fact, Christian Nationalism was never mentioned whatsoever while I was listening.

Of course, nobody talked about the larger problem of the white man. Nobody ever does.

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2 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Most Christians are shitty people.   They're the complete opposite of the God they pretend to worship.  Sack is just a run-of-the-mill Christian cunt. 

You sound drunker than usual. You’re getting an early start today!! Well done! Cloak Room feels like an empty Bryant-Denny Stadium after we beat Alabama last year with just our fans in burnt orange singing the Eyes. Not a better feeling in the world than occupying enemy territory.

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You sound drunker than usual. You’re getting an early start today!! Well done! Cloak Room feels like an empty Bryant-Denny Stadium after we beat Alabama last year with just our fans in burnt orange singing the Eyes. Not a better feeling in the world than occupying enemy territory.

Just one example of the shitty Christian cunts who come here.  Can't wait until they come for your dumb ass. 

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You sound drunker than usual. You’re getting an early start today!! Well done! Cloak Room feels like an empty Bryant-Denny Stadium after we beat Alabama last year with just our fans in burnt orange singing the Eyes. Not a better feeling in the world than occupying enemy territory.

Man, it'd be a real shame if your friends found out you like to suck dick. 

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I mean it is easy to think it is empty when you ignore people shutting you down on Milei.

You posted a graph with no date or link to where you found it. The VOA article I posted was from LAST WEEK. From the VOA article I posted above:

BUENOS AIRES — 

Argentina's President Javier Milei saw his popularity ratings rebound sharply in October, a poll on Monday showed, bolstering the libertarian whose pro-market reforms have driven markets to record highs since winning a shock election last year.

A closely watched poll from the local Torcuato Di Tella University showed Milei's approval rating jump 12% after it slid in September because of tensions around pension reforms.

The South American grains producer is battling triple-digit inflation and a recession, but former pundit Milei has managed to boost confidence in markets with tough spending cuts while largely keeping voters onside with his straight-talking style.

Inflation, still in triple digits on an annual basis, has come down sharply each month, foreign currency reserve levels are being rebuilt and his government has turned around a deep fiscal deficit. Poverty levels, however, have risen sharply.

A separate survey from consultancy Aresco showed the approval rating of Milei's government bouncing to 52.5% in October from 49.6% a month before, which it attributed to improving economic indicators.

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