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No, it really doesn’t. And also, sales is not marketing. 

Dude. We’ve seen the “marketing” that works on the American people: it’s lies all the way down. A firehose of lies is THE thing that works. We should get one.
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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Dude. We’ve seen the “marketing” that works on the American people: it’s lies all the way down. A firehose of lies is THE thing that works. We should get one.

Nope. What you have seen is the result of profound Democratic incompetence at marketing, period. I mean, yes, what the GOP has done is a firehose of lies but literally every Democratic marketing effort in my adult life that genuinely sought to achieve anything like authentic product market fit in what I would consider a professional way won the election or, if it was a coordinated congressional campaign, won a  majority of contested seats. 
Literally, all of them. 
 

You might remember in 2014 when I said that Democrats were recreating the Texas model at the national level. That’s where we are now. It’s a full stack 4-P marketing failure. But they could win if they did  better work.

And for the record, a good salesman can always outsell a liar. 

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Nope. What you have seen is the result of profound Democratic incompetence at marketing, period. I mean, yes, what the GOP has done is a firehose of lies but literally every Democratic marketing effort in my adult life that genuinely sought to achieve anything like authentic product market fit in what I would consider a professional way won the election or, if it was a coordinated congressional campaign, won a  majority of contested seats. 
Literally, all of them. 
 
You might remember in 2014 when I said that Democrats were recreating the Texas model at the national level. That’s where we are now. It’s a full stack 4-P marketing failure. But they could win if they did  better work.
And for the record, a good salesman can always outsell a liar. 

Not when his customers are the stupidest people to ever walk the earth: Americans.
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2 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

You're wrong on the first count and splitting hairs on the second. 

Im right in the first case, but I do use those words with precision because I’ve spent the last 25 years doing eleven figures worth of one or the other.
that said, go off, king!

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9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Not when his customers are the stupidest people to ever walk the earth: Americans.

If your job is to find product-market fit and you don’t, it either means you didn’t understand your the reality of your market, or your product didn’t address it. It’s really hard to do, but it can be done in a single cycle as long as you don’t institutionalize barriers to achieving it, but Democrats have.

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8 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Im right in the first case, but I do use those words with precision because I’ve spent the last 25 years doing eleven figures worth of one or the other.
that said, go off, king!

I spent months (!) being the weakest link at MCI Worldcom, having to listen to phone calls of the top salespeople to "see how it's done". Whatever plausible deniability may apply to you didn't apply there or presently to Trump. 

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And for the record, a good salesman can always outsell a liar. 

And a good salesman who's a liar can outsell a good salesman. 

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23 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

I spent months (!) being the weakest link at MCI Worldcom, having to listen to phone calls of the top salespeople to "see how it's done". Whatever plausible deniability may apply to you didn't apply there or presently to Trump. 

MCI Worldcom cheated, lied, got caught, and collapsed less than 5 years from their peak- in no small part because their sales organization was a meat grinder that got beat on all the good business they didn’t buy. I don’t see how that’s a counter example. 
 

23 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

And a good salesman who's a liar can outsell a good salesman. 

That’s simply not true. If they need to lie about the big stuff to they aren’t that good. 

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21 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Look who's bucking for a pardon. (And he'll get one too.)

'Sam Bankman-Fried hints at becoming a Republican'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ar-AA1Ap4kd

 

There’s some real irritation (to put it mildly) at the administration in the bitcoin world right now. I suspect a pardon of SBF would be like dropping a firecracker on an anthill. 

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2 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Be a better salesman in practice just means be a better liar. 

 

the amount of lies i tell week to week would blow people away 

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

If your job is to find product-market fit and you don’t, it either means you didn’t understand your the reality of your market, or your product didn’t address it. It’s really hard to do, but it can be done in a single cycle as long as you don’t institutionalize barriers to achieving it, but Democrats have.

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We're talking about a citizenry that lie their asses off about (or have no real clue) what they really care about.  Kinda difficult to market to the average U.S. citizen unless your party is willing to lie its ass off with the goal of scaring or infuriating them.  

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Lawdogs; WTF is THIS bullshit?

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/addressing-risks-from-perkins-coie-llp/

 

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:


Section 1. Purpose. The dishonest and dangerous activity of the law firm Perkins Coie LLP (“Perkins Coie”) has affected this country for decades. Notably, in 2016 while representing failed Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, Perkins Coie hired Fusion GPS, which then manufactured a false “dossier” designed to steal an election. This egregious activity is part of a pattern. Perkins Coie has worked with activist donors including George Soros to judicially overturn popular, necessary, and democratically enacted election laws, including those requiring voter identification. In one such case, a court was forced to sanction Perkins Coie attorneys for an unethical lack of candor before the court.


In addition to undermining democratic elections, the integrity of our courts, and honest law enforcement, Perkins Coie racially discriminates against its own attorneys and staff, and against applicants. Perkins Coie publicly announced percentage quotas in 2019 for hiring and promotion on the basis of race and other categories prohibited by civil rights laws. It proudly excluded applicants on the basis of race for its fellowships, and it maintained these discriminatory practices until applicants harmed by them finally sued to enforce change.


My Administration is committed to ending discrimination under “diversity, equity, and inclusion” policies and ensuring that Federal benefits support the laws and policies of the United States, including those laws and policies promoting our national security and respecting the democratic process. Those who engage in blatant race-based and sex-based discrimination, including quotas, but purposefully hide the nature of such discrimination through deceiving language, have engaged in a serious violation of the public trust. Their disrespect for the bedrock principle of equality represents good cause to conclude that they neither have access to our Nation’s secrets nor be deemed responsible stewards of any Federal funds.


Sec. 2. Security Clearance Review. (a) The Attorney General, the Director of National Intelligence, and all other relevant heads of executive departments and agencies (agencies) shall immediately take steps consistent with applicable law to suspend any active security clearances held by individuals at Perkins Coie, pending a review of whether such clearances are consistent with the national interest.


(b) The Office of Management and Budget shall identify all Government goods, property, material, and services, including Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilities, provided for the benefit of Perkins Coie. The heads of all agencies providing such material or services shall, to the extent permitted by law, expeditiously cease such provision.


Sec. 3. Contracting. (a) To prevent the transfer of taxpayer dollars to Federal contractors whose earnings subsidize, among other things, racial discrimination, falsified documents designed to weaponize the Government against candidates for office, and anti-democratic election changes that invite fraud and distrust, Government contracting agencies shall, to the extent permissible by law, require Government contractors to disclose any business they do with Perkins Coie and whether that business is related to the subject of the Government contract.


(b) The heads of all agencies shall review all contracts with Perkins Coie or with entities that disclose doing business with Perkins Coie under subsection (a) of this section. To the extent permitted by law, the heads of agencies shall:


(i) take appropriate steps to terminate any contract, to the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, including the Federal Acquisition Regulation, for which Perkins Coie has been hired to perform any service;


(ii) otherwise align their agency funding decisions with the interests of the citizens of the United States; with the goals and priorities of my Administration as expressed in executive actions, especially Executive Order 14147 of January 20, 2025 (Ending the Weaponization of the Federal Government); and as heads of agencies deem appropriate. Within 30 days of the date of this order, all agencies shall submit to the Director of the Office of Management and Budget an assessment of contracts with Perkins Coie or with entities that do business with Perkins Coie effective as of the date of this order and any actions taken with respect to those contracts in accordance with this order.


Sec. 4. Racial Discrimination. (a) The Chair of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission shall review the practices of representative large, influential, or industry leading law firms for consistency with Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, including whether large law firms: reserve certain positions, such as summer associate spots, for individuals of preferred races; promote individuals on a discriminatory basis; permit client access on a discriminatory basis; or provide access to events, trainings, or travel on a discriminatory basis.


(b) The Attorney General, in coordination with the Chair of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and in consultation with State Attorneys General as appropriate, shall investigate the practices of large law firms as described in subsection (a) of this section who do business with Federal entities for compliance with race-based and sex-based non-discrimination laws and take any additional actions the Attorney General deems appropriate in light of the evidence uncovered.

Sec. 5. Personnel. (a) The heads of all agencies shall, to the extent permitted by law, provide guidance limiting official access from Federal Government buildings to employees of Perkins Coie when such access would threaten the national security of or otherwise be inconsistent with the interests of the United States. In addition, the heads of all agencies shall provide guidance limiting Government employees acting in their official capacity from engaging with Perkins Coie employees to ensure consistency with the national security and other interests of the United States.


(b) Agency officials shall, to the extent permitted by law, refrain from hiring employees of Perkins Coie, absent a waiver from the head of the agency, made in consultation with the Director of the Office of Personnel Management, that such hire will not threaten the national security of the United States.


Sec. 6. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:


(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or


(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.


(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.


(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

                    DONALD J. TRUMP

THE WHITE HOUSE,
March 6, 2025.

 

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24 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Lawdogs; WTF is THIS bullshit?

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/addressing-risks-from-perkins-coie-llp/

 

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:


Section 1. Purpose. The dishonest and dangerous activity of the law firm Perkins Coie LLP (“Perkins Coie”) has affected this country for decades. Notably, in 2016 while representing failed Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, Perkins Coie hired Fusion GPS, which then manufactured a false “dossier” designed to steal an election. This egregious activity is part of a pattern. Perkins Coie has worked with activist donors including George Soros to judicially overturn popular, necessary, and democratically enacted election laws, including those requiring voter identification. In one such case, a court was forced to sanction Perkins Coie attorneys for an unethical lack of candor before the court.


In addition to undermining democratic elections, the integrity of our courts, and honest law enforcement, Perkins Coie racially discriminates against its own attorneys and staff, and against applicants. Perkins Coie publicly announced percentage quotas in 2019 for hiring and promotion on the basis of race and other categories prohibited by civil rights laws. It proudly excluded applicants on the basis of race for its fellowships, and it maintained these discriminatory practices until applicants harmed by them finally sued to enforce change.


My Administration is committed to ending discrimination under “diversity, equity, and inclusion” policies and ensuring that Federal benefits support the laws and policies of the United States, including those laws and policies promoting our national security and respecting the democratic process. Those who engage in blatant race-based and sex-based discrimination, including quotas, but purposefully hide the nature of such discrimination through deceiving language, have engaged in a serious violation of the public trust. Their disrespect for the bedrock principle of equality represents good cause to conclude that they neither have access to our Nation’s secrets nor be deemed responsible stewards of any Federal funds.


Sec. 2. Security Clearance Review. (a) The Attorney General, the Director of National Intelligence, and all other relevant heads of executive departments and agencies (agencies) shall immediately take steps consistent with applicable law to suspend any active security clearances held by individuals at Perkins Coie, pending a review of whether such clearances are consistent with the national interest.


(b) The Office of Management and Budget shall identify all Government goods, property, material, and services, including Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilities, provided for the benefit of Perkins Coie. The heads of all agencies providing such material or services shall, to the extent permitted by law, expeditiously cease such provision.


Sec. 3. Contracting. (a) To prevent the transfer of taxpayer dollars to Federal contractors whose earnings subsidize, among other things, racial discrimination, falsified documents designed to weaponize the Government against candidates for office, and anti-democratic election changes that invite fraud and distrust, Government contracting agencies shall, to the extent permissible by law, require Government contractors to disclose any business they do with Perkins Coie and whether that business is related to the subject of the Government contract.


(b) The heads of all agencies shall review all contracts with Perkins Coie or with entities that disclose doing business with Perkins Coie under subsection (a) of this section. To the extent permitted by law, the heads of agencies shall:


(i) take appropriate steps to terminate any contract, to the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, including the Federal Acquisition Regulation, for which Perkins Coie has been hired to perform any service;


(ii) otherwise align their agency funding decisions with the interests of the citizens of the United States; with the goals and priorities of my Administration as expressed in executive actions, especially Executive Order 14147 of January 20, 2025 (Ending the Weaponization of the Federal Government); and as heads of agencies deem appropriate. Within 30 days of the date of this order, all agencies shall submit to the Director of the Office of Management and Budget an assessment of contracts with Perkins Coie or with entities that do business with Perkins Coie effective as of the date of this order and any actions taken with respect to those contracts in accordance with this order.


Sec. 4. Racial Discrimination. (a) The Chair of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission shall review the practices of representative large, influential, or industry leading law firms for consistency with Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, including whether large law firms: reserve certain positions, such as summer associate spots, for individuals of preferred races; promote individuals on a discriminatory basis; permit client access on a discriminatory basis; or provide access to events, trainings, or travel on a discriminatory basis.


(b) The Attorney General, in coordination with the Chair of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and in consultation with State Attorneys General as appropriate, shall investigate the practices of large law firms as described in subsection (a) of this section who do business with Federal entities for compliance with race-based and sex-based non-discrimination laws and take any additional actions the Attorney General deems appropriate in light of the evidence uncovered.

Sec. 5. Personnel. (a) The heads of all agencies shall, to the extent permitted by law, provide guidance limiting official access from Federal Government buildings to employees of Perkins Coie when such access would threaten the national security of or otherwise be inconsistent with the interests of the United States. In addition, the heads of all agencies shall provide guidance limiting Government employees acting in their official capacity from engaging with Perkins Coie employees to ensure consistency with the national security and other interests of the United States.


(b) Agency officials shall, to the extent permitted by law, refrain from hiring employees of Perkins Coie, absent a waiver from the head of the agency, made in consultation with the Director of the Office of Personnel Management, that such hire will not threaten the national security of the United States.


Sec. 6. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:


(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or


(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.


(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.


(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

                    DONALD J. TRUMP

THE WHITE HOUSE,
March 6, 2025.

 

Some blatantly unconstitutional bullshit. 

Also probably inconsequential. Because I rather doubt PC does much business with the federal government. 

 

Also Soros and weaponization. Drink. 

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1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The interim U.S. Attorney for DC is demanding answers about whether Georgetown, a private religious school, has DEIA in its curriculum. 
 

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covered upthread.  Dean  told him to get his fucking shinebox.

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3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Some blatantly unconstitutional bullshit. 

Also probably inconsequential. Because I rather doubt PC does much business with the federal government. 

Hard disagree. They almost certainly would have staff who maintained security clearances in order to adequately represent and/or defend their former government clients.  This is more about kneecapping political rivals’ ability to effectively contest subsequent legal targeting. They absolutely trumpet their team of national security experts on staff.  Plenty of firms and lawyers who don’t represent government or get business from them need clearances. 

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7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Hard disagree. They almost certainly would have staff who maintained security clearances in order to adequately represent and/or defend their former government clients.  This is more about kneecapping political rivals’ ability to effectively contest subsequent legal targeting. They absolutely trumpet their team of national security experts on staff.  Plenty of firms and lawyers who don’t represent government or get business from them need clearances. 

That part is probably correct. 

But as for actually being hired, no.

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36 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

covered upthread.  Dean  told him to get his fucking shinebox.

Fucking hilarious when the dean noted that the letter was dated February 17, 2025 and emailed to him March 3, 2025 😂

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1 hour ago, StassneyHorn said:

I hope the top people of the Democratic Party are at least workshoppin' some good shit-talking names for a Trump Recession. They'll probably rely on the internet though. 

I'm partial to DOGE-shit.

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Mudslides or Dust Bowl: pick your poison based on the National Park's location and climatology.

 

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Edit to add: any old growth forest you want to see, better haul ass.
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6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

"re-harvest"?  Does he think trees grow in a few months?

Do you think he spends ANY time thinking about trees ever? I mean his only outings with nature are on his golf courses where the trees are mostly at a distance lining the fairway and he's speeding by on his lil cart; his oldest son goes on canned hunts to kill species that probably ought to be on an endangered list; if Ivanka ever set foot in anything resembling a tent it would only be one of the pavilion types they use for weddings and runway shows; Eric is just smart enough to know that trees provide shade but not smart enough to understand the Warren Buffett line about "someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago."

Nature would give them their just desserts if they ever actually experienced it in the wild.

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3 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Your position is Trump's almost entire adult life is evidence that he's not that good at sales/marketing?

No, he’s very good. Because he understands his target audience and gives them what they want. Republicans in general do. That’s their strength. But their weakness is deception. 

My position on this thread is and has been that Democrats are bad at sales and marketing, but literally all of the few times they executed the basics well, they won. If they weren’t so averse to it they would win. 

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2 hours ago, Gap03 said:

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We're talking about a citizenry that lie their asses off about (or have no real clue) what they really care about.  Kinda difficult to market to the average U.S. citizen unless your party is willing to lie its ass off with the goal of scaring or infuriating them.  

What do you mean “kinda?” It’s extremely difficult. But Republicans know how to do it because they value marketing as a professional discipline. as in Texas, the Democratic Party is dominated by lawyers and activists and does not value marketing as a strategic professional discipline. The closest they have are refugees from journalism-turned-flacks who do “strategic communications” and chant magic words only activist groups can hear.

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5 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

 

 

“That good” meaning good enough to beat somebody good who doesn’t rely on deception. Democrats lose because they aren’t good. They don’t understand their target audience or what drives attention and behaviors. Or care to, apparently. They act like campaigns are court cases, like people choose how to vote based on the preponderance of the evidence. 

Also/ Democrats need to get it out of their head that Trump wins because he lies. That’s not true. It’s his biggest weakness. Trump wins because he understands his target audience and how to make his opponents compete in his choice of ground. That’s why this isn’t a messaging problem. 

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4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

“That good” meaning good enough to beat somebody good who doesn’t rely on deception. Democrats lose because they aren’t good. They don’t understand their target audience or what drives attention and behaviors. Or care to, apparently. They act like campaigns are court cases, like people choose how to vote based on the preponderance of the evidence. 

Also/ Democrats need to get it out of their head that Trump wins because he lies. That’s not true. It’s his biggest weakness. Trump wins because he understands his target audience and how to make his opponents compete in his choice of ground. That’s why this isn’t a messaging problem. 

I think you are missing something here, namely that while Democrats are indeed bad at marketing, they are also stuck trying to market policies they believe will work and to operate in a fact-based vision of the world. The GOP leads with marketing and creates policy post hoc and with zero effort dedicated to making the policy a success even as defined by the GOP’s own marketing. 

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9 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I think you are missing something here, namely that while Democrats are indeed bad at marketing, they are also stuck trying to market policies they believe will work and to operate in a fact-based vision of the world.

Bozo, who I believe is operating in good faith, is advocating Dems become GOP Lite on the scale of deception, which they will never surpass, and even if they did, will accomplish jack shit.

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1 minute ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Bozo, who I believe is operating in good faith, is advocating Dems become GOP Lite on the scale of deception, which they will never surpass, and even if they did, will accomplish jack shit.

That and also missing the massive closed-loop propaganda ecosystem that exists solely to affirm and reinforce GOP marketing and for which the Democrats have no equivalent. 

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Rest easy Americans, our enemies will never deny our proud nation access to crypto and EFTs. 
 

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Eliminating the dollar as reserve currency is clearly one of his and vlads goals.

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Although, I do sometimes wish that Dems and Libs would play in the same sandbox on low stakes level.  For instance, the recent principled decision to pull Hamilton from the Kennedy Center.  The producer’s statement was thoughtful and well written (reproduced below). And completely ineffective.  
 

Instead: Wait till the paying audience is seated on opening night, then stroll out and tell everyone that Trump made you cancel the show because he thinks it is woke. Then go on TV and just call Rick Grennell fake news after he tries to deny it.  Promise that you’ll look very strongly into bringing back Hamilton but not so long as Trump treats you unfairly, and then arrange for all of Bug Tussle, Pennsylvania to go see the show in a high school gym and give them free merch. 

 

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44 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

hey are also stuck trying to market policies they believe will work and to operate in a fact-based vision of the world.

 No, they aren’t stuck. They delude themselves into believing that campaigns are won and lost on policies instead of delivering targeted calls to action that resonate with a sufficient cross section of the electorate to capture majorities.  Policy is what you get to do if you win. 

chatGPT, show me a picture of how Democrats lose:

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34 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Bozo, who I believe is operating in good faith, is advocating Dems become GOP Lite on the scale of deception, which they will never surpass, and even if they did, will accomplish jack shit.

 Nope. I’m advocating that they get good at marketing, which I’ve been saying consistently on these boards for 20+ years. To equate being good at marketing with deception is a category error and symptomatic of how lost Democrats are right now.

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