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1 hour ago, RockwallJim said:

I'm happy to meet / engage anybody on a spirited debate / exchange of ideas

 

7 minutes ago, RockwallJim said:

Interesting stats. Still searching for your point...I'm sure you're trying to make one.

Oh, you're a troll.

Goodbye.

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5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

Oh, you're a troll.

Goodbye.

Oh.  A troll.  So anybody who doesn’t agree with your world view 100% is a troll?   Must be an interesting life you lead, blocking out anybody who doesn’t echo your world view 

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5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

Oh, you're a troll.

Goodbye.

You just gonna go all out with the brainless crowdsource move huh bolverk? This board is special. 

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21 minutes ago, RockwallJim said:

I sure do.  Would you care to expand on which states you claim are proving your point and which states aren't? 

Sure. The vast majority of the taker states, red in that graph, voted for Trump and are solid Republican voters. 
 

But you know this and aren’t arguing in good faith.

 

So, why would republican voters be taking so much government handouts that they claim they are against?

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2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Sure. The vast majority of the taker states, red in that graph, voted for Trump and are solid Republican voters. 
 

But you know this and aren’t arguing in good faith.

 

So, why would republican voters be taking so much government handouts that they claim they are against?

Are we sure that government funding is going into the pockets of the Republican voters themselves?  

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1 minute ago, RockwallJim said:

Are we sure that government funding is going into the pockets of the Republican voters themselves?  

Yes. Via free healthcare, food stamps, social security disability, social security, free child care, subsidized housing. That’s what these things are measuring. That’s what those people who voted for government cutbacks are bitching up and down social media about losing as a result of the government cutbacks they voted for.  
 

they wanted “others” to lose theirs, but keep their own.  That’s why they are upset. 
 

You should stop trying. It is not going well for you here. 

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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

Now, you can very well contend that correlation does not equal causation, as you and others rightly point out that it's a difficult apples-to-apples comparison due to the presence of federal assets (e.g., national parks, ports/bases/ports, CBP, and so on).

Population numbers would be the most obvious potential confounder in those data.  These others are certainly worth considering though.  

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5 minutes ago, RockwallJim said:

Are we sure that government funding is going into the pockets of the Republican voters themselves?  

What it shows is that government pours more money into red states, so Republican voters reap the benefit of government, while voting to dismantle it.

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9 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Yes. Via free healthcare, food stamps, social security disability, social security, free child care, subsidized housing. That’s what these things are measuring. That’s what those people who voted for government cutbacks are bitching up and down social media about losing as a result of the government cutbacks they voted for.  
 

they wanted “others” to lose theirs, but keep their own.  That’s why they are upset. 
 

You should stop trying. It is not going well for you here. 

I think you're missing the point of my questions, so I'll ask again.   1. when we talk about federal funding to states as we are discussing here, is this money into the state government or individuals pockets.  2. if it's into individuals pockets how do you know it's republican voters pockets? (when they apply for assistance, do they have to claim a political party?)

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9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

What it shows is that government pours more money into red states, so Republican voters reap the benefit of government, while voting to dismantle it.

or maybe, just maybe the republican voters in that state DON'T want the Federal government involved in their state's activities, budgets, priorities, etc...  is that possible?

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3 minutes ago, RockwallJim said:

I think you're missing the point of my questions, so I'll ask again.   1. when we talk about federal funding to states as we are discussing here, is this money into the state government or individuals pockets.  2. if it's into individuals pockets how do you know it's republican voters pockets? (when they apply for assistance, do they have to claim a political party?)

You’re right. In the states with a majority voting republican it’s only the democrats there that are receiving governmental funding. 

Thanks for pointing that out for us. 

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Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

Oh no, I see clearly the point of your questions.  Good day. 

Thank you.  it only took me 5-6 times to explain it to the class.   I think many here are making assumptions based on a biases..not facts

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2 minutes ago, RockwallJim said:

or maybe, just maybe the republican voters in that state DON'T want the Federal government involved in their state's activities, budgets, priorities, etc...  is that possible?

Sure it’s possible. And then when when they realize they’ve cut off their noses to spite their faces we all will revel in the schadenfreude. 

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Just now, RockwallJim said:

Thank you.  it only took me 5-6 times to explain it to the class.   I think many here are making assumptions based on a biases..not facts

But you haven’t presented any facts.

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An outlyer. And you all know I have no problems discussing with Ana.

NM. It is a Dem state, lots of social assistance. But it also has Los Alamos. The budget of DOE there is pretty big. Is there a map that shows the benefits of Fed assistance to states taking programs out?

Just wondering. I know DOD really takes flack from localities when they want to Brac a base. Why?

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2 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

You’re right. In the states with a majority voting republican it’s only the democrats there that are receiving governmental funding. 

Thanks for pointing that out for us. 

I didn't say that, but your generalization that republican voters are exclusively reaping the benefits of federal funding while subsequently voting against those just hasn't been proven... But let's play in your universe a minute, let's say that's true..that they ARE getting all this money, yet voting to push it away, shouldn't that be respected?  That they desire to be self sufficient?   So worst case scenario, in your universe is that republicans are currently getting handouts that they no longer want (so are voting against)?

3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

But you haven’t presented any facts.

Sure I have, as much if not more than anybody else here.  

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4 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Sure it’s possible. And then when when they realize they’ve cut off their noses to spite their faces we all will revel in the schadenfreude. 

So you do respect their desire to reject government hand outs?   I'm really confused why you would demonize somebody who doesn't want to take government assistance?

 

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1 minute ago, RockwallJim said:

I didn't say that, but your generalization that republican voters are exclusively reaping the benefits of federal funding while subsequently voting against those just hasn't been proven... But let's play in your universe a minute, let's say that's true..that they ARE getting all this money, yet voting to push it away, shouldn't that be respected?  That they desire to be self sufficient?   So worst case scenario, in your universe is that republicans are currently getting handouts that they no longer want (so are voting against)?

Sure I have, as much if not more than anybody else here.  

I made no such generalization. Indeed I suggested that you were implying the opposite. 
 

Reading is hard. 

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Just now, RockwallJim said:

So you do respect their desire to reject government hand outs?   I'm really confused why you would demonize somebody who doesn't want to take government assistance?

 

But they do want those things. That’s why they are on social media complaining that theirs was, or will be, taken away. It wasn’t supposed to happen to THEM.  Plenty of evidence on the leopards thread. 

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3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am kinda surprised at OK and NV. What am I missing about RI?

Moslty active personnel in OK and NV I think.

RI, well it is poor as shit, small population and 1 or 2 DOD programs.

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1 minute ago, RockwallJim said:

So you do respect their desire to reject government hand outs?   I'm really confused why you would demonize somebody who doesn't want to take government assistance?

 

I’m not demonizing anyone. But when members of the LEF party get their faces eaten by leopards I don’t shed any tears. 

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Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

But they do want those things. That’s why they are on social media complaining that theirs was, or will be, taken away. It wasn’t supposed to happen to THEM.  Plenty of evidence on the leopards thread. 

so wait, in your mind these people both want these things yet are voting against these things at the same time?  Why would they do that?

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Just now, DDD Dad said:

I’m not demonizing anyone. But when members of the LEF party get their faces eaten by leopards I don’t shed any tears. 

got it, so you would root against, or relish in the pain of your fellow countrymen because they didn't vote the way you wanted them to?

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1 minute ago, RockwallJim said:

so wait, in your mind these people both want these things yet are voting against these things at the same time?  Why would they do that?

Well now you, I think unintentionally, get to the crux of the situation. 

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Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

Well now you, I think unintentionally, get to the crux of the situation. 

got it.  so you are smarter than people who vote differently than you?  You have it all figured out and if votes don't vote the way you do, it's because they've been duped and don't understand?

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1 minute ago, RockwallJim said:

got it, so you would root against, or relish in the pain of your fellow countrymen because they voted for a fascist authoritarian who actively encourages oligarchs to pay fealty to him?

Absolutely 

Just now, RockwallJim said:

got it.  so you are smarter than people who vote differently than you?  You have it all figured out and if votes don't vote the way you do, it's because they've been duped and don't understand?

We are smarter than people who vote for fascists 

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1 minute ago, RockwallJim said:

got it.  so you are smarter than people who vote differently than you?  You have it all figured out and if votes don't vote the way you do, it's because they've been duped and don't understand?

I’m smart enough to not bitch when I get what I voted for.  

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1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Big tent nazism

interesting. I always thought Nazism pushed away organized religion because they wanted to be the moral leader for their constituents...didn't want the influence of any 'authority' higher than the reich .   Am I remembering it wrong?

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2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Absolutely 

We are smarter than people who vote for fascists 

Got it.   And do fascists usually try to shrink the government, it's budget and it's global influence?

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Just now, RockwallJim said:

interesting. I always thought Nazism pushed away organized religion because they wanted to be the moral leader for their constituents...didn't want the influence of any 'authority' higher than the reich .   Am I remembering it wrong?

They used it. They were quite chummy with the Vatican and the Catholics in Germany.

 

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Just now, RockwallJim said:

interesting. I always thought Nazism pushed away organized religion because they wanted to be the moral leader for their constituents...didn't want the influence of any 'authority' higher than the reich .   Am I remembering it wrong?

It’s a play on words not an argument. You said “tenant” of nazism

 

you wouldn’t by any chance be a Realtor (tm) would you?

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2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I’m smart enough to not bitch when I get what I voted for.  

Got it.  and who is bitching?  I always thought voter satisfaction and the 'loyalty of his base' was the strength of Donald Trump, is it not?

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Just now, RockwallJim said:

Got it.  and who is bitching?  I always thought voter satisfaction and the 'loyalty of his base' was the strength of Donald Trump, is it not?

Got it. 

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Just now, RockwallJim said:

Got it.   And do fascists usually try to shrink the government, its budget and its global influence?

Fascists pick favorites to run private industry in a way that benefits the state. Where do you get the idea anyone is seriously reducing the federal budget?

our loss of global influence is proof Putin is directing foreign policy. That has nothing to do with whether trump is a fascist authoritarian 

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2 minutes ago, RockwallJim said:

Got it.  and who is bitching?  I always thought voter satisfaction and the 'loyalty of his base' was the strength of Donald Trump, is it not?

You are tedious and uninteresting. 

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2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

It’s a play on words not an argument. You said “tenant” of nazism

 

you wouldn’t by any chance be a Realtor (tm) would you?

I am not.  It's just funny that you tie Christianity to Nazism, when it was the Nazi party itself that tried to discourage organized religion.   Seems like a stretch to me to tie to 2 together.

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3 minutes ago, RockwallJim said:

Got it.  and who is bitching?  I always thought voter satisfaction and the 'loyalty of his base' was the strength of Donald Trump, is it not?

Here let me help you on the journey to purgatorio.

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2 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

Got it. 

It just seems to me like you are trying to construct a justification for your biases and you're trying to assume some moral high ground over your fellow citizens.

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1 minute ago, RockwallJim said:

I am not.  It's just funny that you tie Christianity to Nazism, when it was the Nazi party itself that tried to discourage organized religion.   Seems like a stretch to me to tie to 2 together.

But it didn't. There were clergy in the military ranks. I won't bring up Gott mit Uns on SS belt buckles and such.

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Just now, cactusflinthead said:

Here let me help you on the journey to purgatorio.

So you don't want to hear opposing view points huh?   Always the sign of an enlightened person...keep that bubble nice and thick

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1 minute ago, RockwallJim said:

I am not.  It's just funny that you tie Christianity to Nazism, when it was the Nazi party itself that tried to discourage organized religion.   Seems like a stretch to me to tie to 2 together.

I’m not tying Christianity to nazism. I’m making fun of you for not knowing the difference between tenant and tenet 

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Just now, Sawbonz said:

I’m not tying Christianity to nazism. I’m making fun of you for not knowing the difference between tenant and tenet 

ah, the spell check police.    Always the most convincing person in the room.

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Just now, RockwallJim said:

So you don't want to hear opposing view points huh?   Always the sign of an enlightened person...keep that bubble nice and thick

Stupid and poorly thought out responses are a beating. I avoid when possible. Be better

Just now, RockwallJim said:

ah, the spell check police.    Always the most convincing person in the room.

That wasn’t a typo

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