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Just now, Sawbonz said:

There has been an absolute seismic shift in donor influence. Objectively, and measurably. You are wanting us to accept a premise that is verifiably false. Like wanting to stipulate the sky is plaid. 

Got it.  If you think Donor influence has grown to unseen levels in the last 6 weeks alone, relative to the prior 100+ years of American History, we are just going to have to agree to disagree.  I view this administration as the same level of corrupt as all the prior..no more, no less.

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, RockwallJim said:

You wouldn't call it a weapon?  What definition would you use?

A poisonous gas used against civilians in gas chambers. It was used solely for the purpose of killing Jews. It was not intended to be used in the field nor was it designed for that purpose.

But, you know that you Dirlenwanger wannabe.

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Posted
Just now, RockwallJim said:

Got it.  If you think Donor influence has grown to unseen levels in the last 6 weeks alone, relative to the prior 100+ years of American History, we are just going to have to agree to disagree.  I view this administration as the same level of corrupt as all the prior..no more, no less.

We are not going to agree to disagree. You are flat out wrong. Facts are facts you twat

Posted
2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

There has been an absolute seismic shift in donor influence. Objectively, and measurably. You are wanting us to accept a premise that is verifiably false. Like wanting to stipulate the sky is plaid. 
 

no donor has ever wielded the power Elon Musk currently does. That is irrefutable. You are really stupid, delusional, or a dishonest sack of shit

If you say so.  I agree that Elon has been louder and more public than any prior donor, but for the amount of string pulling on our government, no difference.

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Posted
Just now, RockwallJim said:

If you say so.  I agree that Elon has been louder and more public than any prior donor, but for the amount of string pulling on our government, no difference.

is this a bit? you have to tell us if this is a bit.

Posted
1 minute ago, cactusflinthead said:

A poisonous gas used against civilians in gas chambers. It was used solely for the purpose of killing Jews. It was not intended to be used in the field nor was it designed for that purpose.

But, you know that you Dirlenwanger wannabe.

umm a poisonous gas would be classified as a weapon.  Would it not?   You're reaching here for a reason to demonize me, it's a lazy ad hominem strategy.   

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Posted
1 minute ago, RockwallJim said:

If you say so.  I agree that Elon has been louder and more public than any prior donor, but for the amount of string pulling on our government, no difference.

List specific examples of “string pulling” you consider on par with what Musk has done so far

Posted
14 minutes ago, RockwallJim said:

So he's trying to grow the government?    Didn't he pass all those evil tax cuts in his last administration?  So he was trying to grow the government by reducing their inbound revenue?   Interesting tactic.

Tax cuts for billionaires, dumb fuck.

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Posted
1 minute ago, elfenix said:

is this a bit? you have to tell us if this is a bit.

No, not a bit.  Would you agree or disagree corporate interested long ago bought our government? 

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Posted
7 minutes ago, elfenix said:

sock spends four and a half years dormant then decides to self immolate one day.

Ana created it and forgot about it.

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Posted
1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

You’re all as stupid as this obvious sock is.

Actually I’m drunk. I’ll be sober in the morning but he’ll still be a moron

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Posted
Just now, Sawbonz said:

List specific examples of “string pulling” you consider on par with what Musk has done so far

Umm, can we go with Halliburton pushing and profiting from the Iraq War?  Is that bigger than what Elon has done?

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Posted
Just now, Sawbonz said:

Actually I’m drunk. I’ll be sober in the morning but he’ll crowdsourced by then.

 

1 minute ago, RockwallJim said:

Umm, can we go with Halliburton pushing and profiting from the Iraq War?  Is that bigger than what Elon has done?

What's the point of writing this? 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

Tax cuts for billionaires, dumb fuck.

Again, tax cuts help grow a government?    Let's make an analogy here, if you were trying to grow a business, would you want revenues to increase or decrease to grow the power and influence of your business?

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Posted
1 minute ago, RockwallJim said:

Umm, can we go with Halliburton pushing and profiting from the Iraq War?  Is that bigger than what Elon has done?

Not even close to the same thing 

Just now, RockwallJim said:

Again, tax cuts help grow a government?    Let's make an analogy here, if you were trying to grow a business, would you want revenues to increase or decrease to grow the power and influence of your business?

How did the government get smaller after the Trump tax cuts?

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Just now, Sawbonz said:

Not even close to the same thing 

how is it not the same thing?  You don't think Halliburton and the other Defense Contractors didn't pull Bush and Chaney's strings to start the war?   

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Posted
Just now, RockwallJim said:

how is it not the same thing?  You don't think Halliburton and the other Defense Contractors didn't pull Bush and Chaney's strings to start the war?   

Name 5.

Please.

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Posted
Just now, RockwallJim said:

how is it not the same thing?  You don't think Halliburton and the other Defense Contractors didn't pull Bush and Chaney's strings to start the war?   

It’s your premise. You defend it

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8 minutes ago, RockwallJim said:

If you say so.  I agree that Elon has been louder and more public than any prior donor, but for the amount of string pulling on our government, no difference.

But how can you be so sure?  

1 minute ago, RockwallJim said:

how is it not the same thing?  You don't think Halliburton and the other Defense Contractors didn't pull Bush and Chaney's strings to start the war?   

You can’t know this for sure 

Posted
1 minute ago, RockwallJim said:

Again, tax cuts help grow a government?    Let's make an analogy here, if you were trying to grow a business, would you want revenues to increase or decrease to grow the power and influence of your business?

Two things:  tax cuts say nothing about tax levels or who is benefitting from those tax cuts. Comparisons between private industry and government are inherently flawed.  

Posted
7 minutes ago, RockwallJim said:

umm a poisonous gas would be classified as a weapon.  Would it not?   You're reaching here for a reason to demonize me, it's a lazy ad hominem strategy.   

No fucker. I'm not going to waste my time explaining it.

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I guess I may not be up on the purgatory rules, but how does someone with 221 or whatever it is neg cred still have the ability to post in this thread?

 

 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, RockwallJim said:

Is it possible that you hold such a strong hatred for the current administration that your judgement is clouded?

yes, ask a direct question I'll give a direct answer.

No, I'm pretty clear-eyed about hating Trump.  It goes back a long way.  Almost as long as I was a conservative.

Posted
1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

It’s your premise. You defend it

I just did defend it.  I was asked for an example of a corporation pulling a presidents strings before Elon / Trump.  So I gave Halliburton and other Contractors to start the Iraq War.  You want another example?  I can do this all night.

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Posted
Just now, Francisco 2.0 said:

I guess I may not be up to the purgatory rules, but how does someone with 221 or whatever it is neg cred still have the ability to post in this thread?

 

 

Good question. I have reported his ass twice. 

Posted
1 minute ago, cactusflinthead said:

No fucker. I'm not going to waste my time explaining it.

if it's not a weapon, then why is the use of chemical gas labeled chemical warfare?

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Posted
Just now, RockwallJim said:

I just did defend it.  I was asked for an example of a corporation pulling a presidents strings before Elon / Trump.  So I gave Halliburton and other Contractors to start the Iraq War.  You want another example?  I can do this all night.

Show how it is the same. You know, make a cogent argument. Do you know what cogent means?

Posted
2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Show how it is the same. You know, make a cogent argument. Do you know what cogent means?

It's not the same...it's worse.  Elon didn't invade another country and kill hundreds of thousands of people and cost the US taxpayers trillions.  Bush, Chaney, Halliburton & Raytheon did.

Want me to give another string pulling example worse than Elon / Trump? I can do this all day.

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Posted
Just now, RockwallJim said:

It's not the same...it's worse.  Elon didn't invade another country and kill hundreds of thousands of people and cost the US taxpayers trillions.  Bush, Chaney, Halliburton & Raytheon did.

Want me to give another string pulling example worse than Elon / Trump? I can do this all day.

Halliburton is an energy company. But good try. Bush and Chaney are not defense contractors.

And yeah, give us more examples. Can you do any domestic ones? Like handing over national forests? Cuz, we all will benefit from that.

I notice how you cut and paste comments. There is another poster who does that.

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Posted
Just now, RockwallJim said:

It's not the same...it's worse.  Elon didn't invade another country and kill hundreds of thousands of people and cost the US taxpayers trillions.  Bush, Chaney, Halliburton & Raytheon did.

Want me to give another string pulling example worse than Elon / Trump? I can do this all day.

Do you know how war is prosecuted by the US? Which laws were circumvented and outright flaunted?

Posted
Just now, RockwallJim said:

It's not the same...it's worse.  Elon didn't invade another country and kill hundreds of thousands of people and cost the US taxpayers trillions.  Bush, Chaney, Halliburton & Raytheon did.

Want me to give another string pulling example worse than Elon / Trump? I can do this all day.

No one cares.  

You have two or three thoughts in your head that you think are important and prove that Trump and Elon are No Worse Than The Rest Of Them and so it's OK.  What we would really like is for you to never post here again.

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Posted
Just now, Bullneck said:

No one cares.  

You have two or three thoughts in your head that you think are important and prove that Trump and Elon are No Worse Than The Rest Of Them and so it's OK.  What we would really like is for you to never post here again.

There should be a forum called bolivia. That is where posters like this get sent. It is the only place they are allowed. If they want to stay and post against each other, cool.

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Posted
Just now, InkaUtexas said:

Halliburton is an energy company. But good try. Bush and Chaney are not defense contractors.

And yeah, give us more examples. Can you do any domestic ones? Like handing over national forests? Cuz, we all will benefit from that.

I notice how you cut and paste comments. There is another poster who does that.

Umm. Halliburton made $7B from the Iraq Contract and Dick Chaney was Chairman of Halliburton... If you don't call that sting pulling, I don't know what to tell you.  Is your position that the War in Iraq was just and not influenced by the Contractors that profited from it?

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Posted

Morally the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were reprehensible and foisted upon us using false data. That is not what is happening in our country today, which is  illegal, unconstitutional, and an existential threat to our democracy 

Posted
3 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Halliburton is an energy company. But good try. Bush and Chaney are not defense contractors.

And yeah, give us more examples. Can you do any domestic ones? Like handing over national forests? Cuz, we all will benefit from that.

I notice how you cut and paste comments. There is another poster who does that.

You want a domestic example of string pulling?  How about the 2008 - 2009 recession.  Wall Street and the Banks pulled Obama's strings to not only forgo prosecution but also fund their bailout while allowing over 3.5 Million Americans to suffer foreclosure.  Has Elon / Trump done anything worse than foreclosing on 3.5 American homes and covering the debts of those that caused it?

 

 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

You idiots need to stop arguing with the troll and start researching the best designs for various medieval torture devices.

The more he posts the more negs he picks up.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

You idiots need to stop arguing with the troll and start researching the best designs for various medieval torture devices.

I’m going to have to go with the pointy pyramid thing they have to sit on

Posted
1 minute ago, RockwallJim said:

You want a domestic example of string pulling?  How about the 2008 - 2009 recession.  Wall Street and the Banks pulled Obama's strings to not only forgo prosecution but also fund their bailout while allowing over 3.5 Million Americans to suffer foreclosure.  Has Elon / Trump done anything worse than foreclosing on 3.5 American homes and covering the debts of those that caused it?

How do you feel about Hunter Biden?

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Morally the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were reprehensible and foisted upon us using false data. That is not what is happening in our country today, which is  illegal, unconstitutional, and an existential threat to our democracy 

It's much worse than what is happening today.   Sorry, to break it to you.

1 minute ago, Bullneck said:

How do you feel about Hunter Biden?

I don't care at all about Hunter Biden.  Why would I?

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