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3 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

You start by forcing Social Media to police itself. Allow rampant bots and misinformation posting on our website? Massive fucking fines. Multiple transgressions? Charges against executives.

Yep. See Brazil and X last fall. But better.

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6 hours ago, Red Five said:

Trump said the transgender mice thing during the state of the union speech. All the republicans laughed and cheered. 

I know it's not feasible, but the democratic rebuttal to his speech should have just been a series of fact checks. Probably time restrictions there though.

Fact checking does not matter. Waste of time

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49 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Ranked choice voting fixes this

Maybe?  I tend to think the electorate’s disfunction has bled into leadership rather than the other way around (not trying to both sides, this is clearly more of a GOP problem.  That said, the Dems went after a big tent and the sub-groups aren’t aligned anymore).  
 

I do think Trump is almost the perfect embodiment and has the resume for an electorate addicted to the sugar high of trolling and outrage.  My one source of hope over the short-term is no one else seems able to corral his constituency.  

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2 hours ago, Pancho said:

I also think COVID fucked up this country more than the country cares to or wants to admit

You’re not wrong.

 

Unfortunately, we will collectively deal with the trauma very slowly. This country has little real introspection. The bitchass, insecure insistence on American Exceptionalism shields critical thought, as does the hobbled public education system. It’s a real pickle. 

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Something else to consider is that we are on year 10 of Trump. 10 years of giving Americans a reason to let their worst selves out. How old were those 20 people when Trump was running for the first time? Dude has changed our country, in horrific ways.

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Here’s another one
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I can’t find it now but he DEFINITELY posted that if the Dow drops 1,000 in a week, the sitting President should be IMPEACHED.
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3 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Yikes. Just incredible how their minds think, although that might not be the right word for it.

The fact check on the trans question he had for the gay guy that wouldn't answer it was that ~4700 kids used puberty blockers over that 4 year period and only .1% of the patients in that study were transgender. Meaning, the issue is so miniscule, that it is statistically irrelevant. That was Sam's point that he didn't get to finish.  

So hard to listen to. I did see a couple of common threads or mindsets:

1. Every person should be responsible for themselves and no other person should be responsible for any other.  This goes to the huge problem conservatives have with the government using their tax dollars to help other people.

2. Religion is required to form a moral foundation.

I also saw a lot of opinions that were based on provably false premises.  It's like if a person was presented with two alternatives, one being true and the other being false, but what the person wanted to believe, they would go with the false one every time.

None of this is surprising or different from what most of us already know. Seeing this just reinforced it.

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10 minutes ago, scottsins said:

I can’t find it now but he DEFINITELY posted that if the Dow drops 1,000 in a week, the sitting President should be IMPEACHED.

well i hope you're certain. because if you make one false claim then everything anyone has ever said about anything is definitely a lie.

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5 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

The similarities between Trump's new rhetoric about Canada and Putin's rhetoric about Ukraine are hard to ignore.

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3 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Concentration of wealth via the Reagan Revolution, repeal of The Fairness Doctrine, 1996 Telecommunications Act, and the internet were the biggest straws. 

Dems were tasked (due in part to their short sighted Republican Lite strategy) with a burden akin to convincing Sooners to be Horns. 

Guess I should throw in Citizens United in there but it's almost trivial in that concentration of wealth (or "success") is a vice defined as a virtue that makes at least 3 of the other 4 possible. It's a cancer that left unchecked, as we obviously have, destroys the ability of people to have a say as to what kind of world they live in. 

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2 hours ago, Ojo Rojo said:

So hard to listen to. I did see a couple of common threads or mindsets:

1. Every person should be responsible for themselves and no other person should be responsible for any other.  This goes to the huge problem conservatives have with the government using their tax dollars to help other people.

2. Religion is required to form a moral foundation.

I also saw a lot of opinions that were based on provably false premises.  It's like if a person was presented with two alternatives, one being true and the other being false, but what the person wanted to believe, they would go with the false one every time.

None of this is surprising or different from what most of us already know. Seeing this just reinforced it.

I was taught that in evangelical Bible studies/camps as a teenager. Part of their reinforcement methods for some kids is to send them to philosophical crash courses on how to debate against other religions, and in particular atheism and humanism since they are on the rise in the US.  It's not a bad idea if you actually want kids to explore the ideas and fundamentals of your religion and morals, but the problem for them is that the smarter ones that do more research will go read the counter arguments and learn how shakey that foundation actually is.  

I remember at the one I attended a few times was called Worldview Academy, which was an evangelical Christian fundamentalist camp. One of the counter arguments they would trot out every year was that "humans are flawed, and cannot come up with a moral code on their own, so it's required that you obtain your morals from an external/non-human source." And then they go Ah HA! THE BIBLE IS THE ANSWER!  You can see how that fails to hold up under scrutiny from a number of ways, but this was what they drilled into kids heads. They would say, "Atheists claim there are no absolutes... but that itself is an absolute!!!" And then laugh at how they have just unraveled the entirety of atheism's core belief structure. At the end of the week, they would have some straw man atheist (played by one of the camp teachers)  who would come and "debate" the class who would ask questions about his beliefs.  He would, of course, fall into the philosophical traps that they taught you about at the camp. It was basically trying to set up gotcha moments, but only if you didn't bother looking at any other information beyond what they spoonfed you. 

I remember the Islam section focused on the person that Muhammad was, and had the claim about him marrying a 9 year old girl, which of course invalidates him as a moral person. This of course, completely ignores all the immoral things that heroes of the Bible did that can be found directly in THE BIBLE. But you know, that doesn't count, because... reasons.  

Anyways, a lot of this sort of stuff I learned in the late 90s before the Internet and Youtube were a thing has now been outsourced to people like Ben Shapiro, Crowder and other talk show/podcast guys who can reach a large audience. They go into much more political discussion, reinforce it with "smackdown" type videos, and radicalize these kids to their belief system, and those 20 people in that video are the result of it. Completely lost in an echo chamber of their own beliefs, unable to listen to a single person discussing a different view, and just simply restating their own beliefs over and over and over as if that makes their arguments valid.
Like a black guy arguing that DEI is bad, but cannot understand a person plainly explaining the difference between non-discrimination hiring practices (good) and racial quotas (bad).
Or a gay guy arguing that trans people can't be in the military, because they might have medicines that might require refrigeration.
Or a white woman arguing that there should be a "dominant culture" that everyone who "comes here" should assimilate to, instead of keeping their own beliefs, language and customs. (she also said Trump wasn't conservative enough because he didn't cancel all the H1B Visa holders and send them back)
They have gone off the edge, and the only thing that will possibly change it is a massive disruption to their current lifestyle or someone close to them. 

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37 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Holy shit, Trump literally posted 248 times today on Truth Social

One of those was about egg prices.

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12 hours ago, speed817 said:

Just watched it this morning.....oh boy......

 

Go watch The Majority Report on YouTube if you haven't. I haven't kept up as much since Michael Brooks passed, but Sam is literally the best person to debate idiots like these. Dumbass libertarians would constantly call into his show and he would eat them alive. Sam was my gateway into actually discovering my politics and moral compass in 2015.

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6 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Yikes. Just incredible how their minds think, although that might not be the right word for it.

The fact check on the trans question he had for the gay guy that wouldn't answer it was that ~4700 kids used puberty blockers over that 4 year period and only .1% of the patients in that study were transgender. Meaning, the issue is so miniscule, that it is statistically irrelevant. That was Sam's point that he didn't get to finish.  

There’s a few surly posters in there for sure. I’ll let yall figure out who’s who.

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19 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

Sam was my gateway into actually discovering my politics and moral compass in 2015.

 

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Social Security has never missed a benefit payment since the program first began sending individuals monthly benefits more than eight decades ago.

But the recent actions at the U.S. Social Security Administration by Elon Musk’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency are putting monthly benefit checks for more than 72.5 million Americans at risk, former commissioner and former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley told CNBC.com.

“Ultimately, you’re going to see the system collapse and an interruption of benefits,” O’Malley said. “I believe you will see that within the next 30 to 90 days.”

Ahead of any interruption in benefits, “people should start saving now,” O’Malley said.

If this won’t get the attention of the 95% of West Virginians who voted for Trump, nothing will.

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On 3/8/2025 at 11:05 AM, Brisketexan said:


He would happily kill you dead if he thought it would get him .000001% more praise. And what makes it worse is that it’s not even personal, or for some principled reason 

Trump doesn't have the stones to kill someone dead. 

like the paul castellano of mafia bosses. 

He would have someone do it for him... never for himself.

Big gaping orange pussy

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Posted
1 hour ago, Satchel said:

 

Social Security has never missed a benefit payment since the program first began sending individuals monthly benefits more than eight decades ago.

But the recent actions at the U.S. Social Security Administration by Elon Musk’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency are putting monthly benefit checks for more than 72.5 million Americans at risk, former commissioner and former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley told CNBC.com.

“Ultimately, you’re going to see the system collapse and an interruption of benefits,” O’Malley said. “I believe you will see that within the next 30 to 90 days.”

Ahead of any interruption in benefits, “people should start saving now,” O’Malley said.

If this won’t get the attention of the 95% of West Virginians who voted for Trump, nothing will.

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14 hours ago, speed817 said:

Just watched it this morning.....oh boy......

 

I went and looked up that "Trans" bill CA954 that "forces children to be taken away from parents if they don't let their kids change genders", and, you're not gonna believe this, BUT it's actually about Sex Education! The word "trans..." does not appear in it as far as I could find as a specific topic of discussion.  It does mention many times that there is a requirement to discuss STI TRANSmission among people, and how to avoid STIs.

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Canceling sex ed for high schoolers is pure brilliance.

While it may not initially make a lick of sense to the laity, this isn't just some ignorant bullshit righties came up with on their own - there's at least a biblical basis for this. Jesus was always advocating against human reproduction education (so everyone wouldn't think his mom was insane). 

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JD Vance’s cousin says vice-president and Trump are ‘useful idiots’ to Putin
Nate Vance reportedly spent three years trying to help Ukraine repel Russian troops and has been alarmed by his cousin’s remarks

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After voluntarily fighting in Ukraine to defend it from Russia’s invasion, and as the White House halts Ukrainian military aid, JD Vance’s first cousin has called the vice-president and Donald Trump “useful idiots” to the Russian dictator, Vladimir Putin.

Nate Vance’s comments to France’s Le Figaro newspaper came after he reportedly spent three years volunteering to try to help Ukraine repel Russian troops as part of the so-called Da Vinci Wolves first motorized battalion.

The remarks also amounted to a notable reaction to the disastrous televised meeting of Trump, JD Vance and Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Ukraine’s president, in the Oval Office on 28 February that left an economic rare earth minerals deal between Ukraine and the US unsigned. During that confrontation, Vance accused Zelenskyy of disrespecting the US, leading “propaganda tours” of the destruction resulting from Russia’s invasion – and of being ungrateful for American aid to Ukraine after it was first invaded by Putin’s troops while Joe Biden was in the White House in February 2022.

“Donald Trump and my cousin clearly believe they can placate Vladimir Putin,” Nate Vance said to Le Figaro, as translated by Google. Invoking a moniker historically often applied to people who are taken advantage of by ruthless political leaders, Nate Vance continued: “They are wrong. The Russians are not about to forget our support for Ukraine. We are Vladimir Putin’s useful idiots.”

Nate Vance also contended that the diplomatic breakdown – which occurred after Zelenskyy sought to attach US security guarantees to the minerals pact – was “an ambush of absolute bad faith”.

“When he criticized aid to Ukraine, I told myself that it was because he had to please a certain electorate, that it was a game of politics,” Nate Vance said.

Nate Vance specifically took aim at JD Vance’s remarks to Zelenskyy that Vance had “watched and seen … stories” justifying his distrust of Ukraine and its president.

“I thought I was going to choke,” Nate Vance reportedly added. “His own cousin was on the frontlines. I could have told him the truth, without personal interest. He never tried to find out more.”

He said he subsequently left messages for the vice-president at his office, but none had been returned. Nate Vance also recounted how he did not want to risk being captured after Trump won a second presidency in November with JD Vance – who was previously one of Ohio’s US senators – as his running mate. So he said he returned to the US in January, shortly before JD Vance took office as Trump’s vice-president.

Nate Vance’s father is the brother of JD Vance’s mother. He described having previously vacationed with the vice-president. The cousins each also previously served in the US marines.

Saudi Arabia is scheduled to host diplomatic talks on Tuesday between the US and Ukraine after the former cut off the latter from military assistance and intelligence-sharing in the wake of the argument in the Oval Office.

As Nate Vance put it to Le Figaro, he spoke out against the vice-president because “being your family doesn’t mean I’m going to accept you killing my comrades”.

Trump on Sunday said he anticipated good results from the talks being brokered by Saudi Arabia and would consider ending the suspension of intelligence-sharing with Ukraine.

 

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4 hours ago, F250 said:

 

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Sam Seder is a national treasure. I've been a huge fan of his since the Air America days and a subscriber at the Majority Report for years. He's the fucking GOAT of political commentary on YT. 

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4 hours ago, GSU&UT said:

Go watch The Majority Report on YouTube if you haven't. I haven't kept up as much since Michael Brooks passed, but Sam is literally the best person to debate idiots like these. Dumbass libertarians would constantly call into his show and he would eat them alive. Sam was my gateway into actually discovering my politics and moral compass in 2015.

The fact those young idiots spent so much time whining about DEI without any sense of self-awareness in that room is just jaw-dropping amazing to me. The entire room was full of carefully culled stereotypes like an MTV Real World roundtable for GOP ding dongs. Hypocrisy is the literal lifeblood of Republican voters and loudmouth Trump supporters--I'm convinced they would spontaneously combust without it.

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Posted
16 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

I guess letting a 78 year old convicted rapist with late stage syphilis brain crash the economy is worth getting rid of 1 trans swimmer. 

 

14 hours ago, Goofyboy said:


And three VB players!!! It adds up, right? To like 10?

That's to start. We are merely dipping a toe in the water to check the temp.

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7 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

Hahaha! Thought you were playing 4D chess and didn't see this move coming. Your broke ass MAGA constituents can't help Elon one bit. Musk is going to find out first hand how everything in Donnie's orbit fails. He should hit the eject button or take the next off ramp but his fucking ego won't let him do it. He will be ok for awhile surviving on the guvment teet, but when we get on the other side of this thing this dude is over.

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18 hours ago, Ojo Rojo said:

I went to visit some relatives in South Texas last weekend.  To the person they are MAGA through and through.  This has  been very disappointing to me because I love these people.  They are genuinely good, hard-working people.  They definitely believe themselves to be good Christians.  I have stayed away over the last few years in large part because of politics.  I don't want to be open with them about my politics because I know that would fundamentally change how they view me.  I don't want to engage with them about politics, but I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut.  So it's safer to stay away.  Anyhow, I was with them Saturday night for a little while.  Several of them were sitting around the kitchen table talking about politics.  I was listening, but not participating.  One of my aunts said something derisive about the mice transgender thing. I couldn't help myself and said, "No, it was a mice transgenic study."  She and another aunt asked me, "What's that mean?"  So I explained as briefly as I could.  One of my uncles said something along the lines of, "I don't mind paying my fair share of taxes to the government for things I want them to pay for; that I benefit from.  The ONLY thing the government does that benefits me is the military."  He was dead fucking serious.  He then went on about another ridiculous story about another study the government funded about the effects of tequila on goldfish.

What I took away from this is that these folks do no critical thinking whatsoever.  It's not that they are not capable of it.  They are all of normal intelligence.  I'm not sure the reason, whether there has never really been a reason for them to exercise critical thinking or if they are just too absorbed in their lives and activities to take the time and mental capacity to engage is such a thing.  These are all boomers.  Up until fairly recently in their lives, all news and media has been fairly unquestioned.  If Dan Rather or Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw said it on the evening news there was no reason to question it.  Same with every newspaper in circulation.  People used to not need to apply critical thinking to what they were seeing in the media.  I'm sure that all of these people only watch Fox News.  That's probably because they know it aligns with their preconceived notions and political ideology and makes them feel good.  So, feeling good (dopamine hits or whatever the fuck you get from confirmation bias) and zero critical thinking accounts, according to me, for why my family members are the way they are.

Naw man these people have only themselves to blame. It's not that they do no critical thinking, it's that they willfully wake up in the morning and allow themselves to be brainwashed by turning on Fox all day. My mother and father in law have that shit on all day, and then some radio show of its like if they are in the car. Consume consume consume. That's why when you argue with MAGA types, they always say "turn off the MSNBC/CNN". Every accusation is a confession.

You should always look at the root cause for why they chose the route they did. They were looking to validate the hatred they have for others and stumbled on right wing media which confirmed the thoughts they already had. We have to accept that about our loved ones. That's the glue of that community. Willful hatred.

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One of those White House correspondents needs to ask Krasnov if he agrees with Elon that Sen. Mark Kelly is a traitor at the next press conference.

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A draft dodger and a man-child who uses his kid as a shield... for some reason I don't see them having thr balls to do that. Perhaps the only thing greater than their egos is their cowardice.

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Also, during my weekly screaming into the void session with John Carter's office, I checked his age so I could comment on a child growing up during the Cold War turning into a supporter of Russia. That fucker is 83 years old

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14 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

So much this. It completely broke a TON of people. I don’t get it, but it did. 

I can speak to this...

Had our first kid six months before COVID really became a thing. I was a Golf Pro at the time. My wife worked in admin for construction. We were both "Essential Workers" and stayed working through the entirety of the pandemic. Dealing with the general Publix during that time, let alone the Boomers... I'm still reeling from it. Golf Courses had to remain open, a window construction company needed to remain open. Not sure that the hell was "Essential" about either of those, but going to work every day hoping you don't bring home the virus to a baby, especially in the early days where we didn't know much about it and who was affected more severely.

We got to watch our friends take six or more months off, making more than we were from the increased unemployment. A pseudo... "break" in the grind that is adult life, while we just kept soldiering on. That is and was beyond exhausting. Couple that with ridiculous inflation from said virus and the worst management of a health crisis in modern history, and the fact that the American Dream has been dead for decades, oh and the fact that we're just subject to daily utter chaos since TFG is back in office, how are we not broken? I'm fucking tired, man.

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