Trump’s America

[C-Man 27230]

I completely forgot that Susie Wiles is Pat Sunmerall’s daughter.

[Mez2 4023]

1 hour ago, closetohumping said:

Tl;dr

[wood 11226]

On 11/6/2024 at 1:02 PM, Brisketexan said:

Bingo.

Immigration has one purpose, and one purpose only in MAGA-land: to fire up nativist sentiment and rage, and inspire people to vote/act on it.

It's a strategy that works.

But note that nowhere in that status is anything even approaching "reform our current immigration system."  In fact, reforming it would be COUNTER-productive to the one purpose.  Hard to inflame people when you've resolved the issue with a balanced and rational policy.

Yep. My 20 yo sent me this today, from Bernie Sanders in 2003, talking to h.s. students about the ways the Republican party divides and conquers in order to sell things like gutting SS and Medicare. It coulda been recorded yesterday, except Bernie is a lot younger there. I never voted for the guy, but an idiot, he is not. He laid it out so crystal clear for those kids. Good video imho.

 

[David Dennison 18905]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

Floating Paxton for AG is certainly a choice…

[tx 3 putt 76987]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

Floating Paxton for AG is certainly a choice…

 

no star power and too poor 

it’ll be someone rich. they get to sell off assets tax free 

Edited November 8 by tx 3 putt

[Thatguy 8740]

12 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

 

How many are worth sleeping with? 10% max? Unless your into fat purple/blue hair with nose rings.

I would recommend only dating conservative women.  A whole lot better looking, nicer, and with a lot less likelihood of mental illness.

Imagine having been to the beaches of California and thinking conservative women are better looking than Liberal women. Yeah Frank, women from Georgia, Miss, Alabama, Nebraska, and Iowa are better looking than liberal women. Dumbest shit I ever heard. Here is a map of the healthiest cities in the US Frank. You know, places where they eat salads. Now look at the bottom of that list Frank. Where are those cities and how do they typically vote?

https://wallethub.com/edu/healthiest-cities/31072

[closetohumping 17443]

6 hours ago, Mez2 said:

Tl;dr

Summary. If you ain’t white you ain’t right.  Go to commiefornia 

[Sawbonz 27566]

7 hours ago, markstanco said:

If you changed the word Trump in that post for Biden it is spot on and it is awesome.

What do you get if you put the word in google with 3 numbers? 

[TwiceHorn 31493]

8 hours ago, Macklemore said:

 
fuck Jeb! and the entire Bush crime family. I am concerned about this choice now.
 

[aggie08 21504]

3 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Imagine having been to the beaches of California and thinking conservative women are better looking than Liberal women. Yeah Frank, women from Georgia, Miss, Alabama, Nebraska, and Iowa are better looking than liberal women. Dumbest shit I ever heard. Here is a map of the healthiest cities in the US Frank. You know, places where they eat salads. Now look at the bottom of that list Frank. Where are those cities and how do they typically vote?

https://wallethub.com/edu/healthiest-cities/31072

Yes, but their great fitness and independent success is just a coping mechanism for their debilitating mental health.

/a very serious person

 

[pacman 7359]

[G650 14263]

I do think there will be quite a lot of buyers remorse going on.

[South Austin 52518]

Among other things to watch in the coming months is the Trump transition.  NPR was talking about it this morning, and how the first Trump transition to the presidency was an absolute disaster of disorganization, with a large number of his cabinet, staff, and other appointees being a terrible fit and lasting a hot second, preventing a lot of simple shit from getting done.  The guy who was interviewed says he's getting signs of a similar transition this go-around.  I know, shocker.

Hey, at least there will be some entertainment.

Edited November 8 by South Austin

[aggie08 21504]

11 minutes ago, G650 said:

I do think there will be quite a lot of buyers remorse going on.

Among the base? None. They lack the intellectual honesty. Things can't possibly get bad enough for self reflection.

But pretty much everyone who voted for Trump for the first time? Good luck to you.

Edited November 8 by aggie08

[TwiceHorn 31493]

12 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Among other things to watch in the coming months is the Trump transition.  NPR was talking about it this morning, and how the first Trump transition to the presidency was an absolute disaster of disorganization, with a large number of his cabinet, staff, and other appointees being a terrible fit and lasting a hot second, preventing a lot of simple shit from getting done.  The guy who was interviewed says he's getting signs of a similar transition this go-around.  I know, shocker.

Hey, at least there will be some entertainment.

This kind of belies the notion that the P2025 people are ready to hit the ground running.

[David Dennison 18905]

13 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Among other things to watch in the coming months is the Trump transition.  NPR was talking about it this morning, and how the first Trump transition to the presidency was an absolute disaster of disorganization, with a large number of his cabinet, staff, and other appointees being a terrible fit and lasting a hot second, preventing a lot of simple shit from getting done.  The guy who was interviewed says he's getting signs of a similar transition this go-around.  I know, shocker.

Hey, at least there will be some entertainment.

We've seen this clown show before. Everyone knows what to expect. The only real question is how quickly his approval goes underwater. 

Edited November 8 by David Dennison

[aggie08 21504]

8 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Among other things to watch in the coming months is the Trump transition.  NPR was talking about it this morning, and how the first Trump transition to the presidency was an absolute disaster of disorganization, with a large number of his cabinet, staff, and other appointees being a terrible fit and lasting a hot second, preventing a lot of simple shit from getting done.  The guy who was interviewed says he's getting signs of a similar transition this go-around.  I know, shocker.

Hey, at least there will be some entertainment.

We'll see. I bet those seats fill up pretty quick. Last time, there were at least attempts made--as incompetent as they were--to create a normalish, functioning government. 

This time, it's going to be a Trump government through and through. We'll see how much they actually care about the "fit" on an appointed position vs. will you do whatever Trump needs in the moment.

[WBT 20587]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

We've seen this clown show before. Everyone knows what to expect. The only real question is how quickly his approval goes underwater. 

It hasn't and never will get above water

[South Austin 52518]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

This kind of belies the notion that the P2025 people are ready to hit the ground running.

That's an aspect I'll be watching/dreading.  Of course Trump knew about Project 2025, and his claim he didn't is another obvious line of bullshit on the campaign when he started to understand it could be a liability (just like a national abortion ban, IVF, etc.). 

But now that he's elected, will Trump just do what Trump wants to do and appoint his own folks over whomever The Heritage Foundation may want to handpick?  Or is he feeble enough/giving less fucks and will put them in place early and let them do their thing?

[Frank Drebin 5643]

Trump has 53 or 54 GOP Senators and just won the popular vote.  He can get whatever appointments he wants.  He could not last time.  Had 52 GOP Senators and had to deal with McCain, Murkowski, Collins,  and Jeff Flake.

Collins and Murkowski can vote how they want.  The rest are gone.

 

Edited November 8 by Frank Drebin

[bad_teammate 13215]

9 hours ago, wood said:

Yep. My 20 yo sent me this today, from Bernie Sanders in 2003, talking to h.s. students about the ways the Republican party divides and conquers in order to sell things like gutting SS and Medicare. It coulda been recorded yesterday, except Bernie is a lot younger there. I never voted for the guy, but an idiot, he is not. He laid it out so crystal clear for those kids. Good video imho.

Bernie was, of course, correct.

He is also correct today, in the wake of Shitbird's new victory, when he discusses how the Democratic elites do the exact same thing to protect the power and money of those who fund their operation (and no, this isn't "both sides", this is my usual thing of not giving a shit about doing commentary on the GOP and wanting to focus entirely on my OWN house, where I have influence and hope). A conversation the ancient Vermonter wants to start now but is probably not really going to be had because we are going to use "it's too soon, we're hurting!" as yet another shield to protect the elites of a party who haven't allowed a free and fair primary since 2007.

We can't control how they let their elites control them. We can control how our elites control us. Let's do that.

[Thatguy 8740]

10 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Among the base? None. They lack the intellectual honesty. Things can't possibly get bad enough for self reflection.

But pretty much everyone who voted for Trump for the first time? Good luck to you.

I think you are wrong here buddy. The shitdouchery that was his last term where nothing got done because there was always a "you can't do that" guy is in the rear view mirror. There will be no brakes, so anything ole buddy wants to do is getting done no matter how shittastic it is. There are going to be a whole lotta jaws hitting the floors and laughing from our side.

[David Dennison 18905]

Just now, Frank Drebin said:

Trump has 53 or 54 GOP Senators and just won the popular vote.  He can get whatever appointments he wants.  He could not last time.  Had 52 GOP Senators and had to deal with McCain, Romney, Murkowski, Collins, Jeff Flake.

Collins and Murkowski can vote how they want.  The rest are gone.

The rest also have the leverage of knowing they are dealing with a president who will never run for office again. 

[G650 14263]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Bernie was, of course, correct.

He is also correct today, in the wake of Shitbird's new victory, when he discusses how the Democratic elites do the exact same thing to protect the power and money of those who fund their operation (and no, this isn't "both sides", this is my usual thing of not giving a shit about doing commentary on the GOP and wanting to focus entirely on my OWN house, where I have influence and hope). A conversation the ancient Vermonter wants to start now but is probably not really going to be had because we are going to use "it's too soon, we're hurting!" as yet another shield to protect the elites of a party who haven't allowed a free and fair primary since 2007.

We can't control how they let their elites control them. We can control how our elites control us. Let's do that.

It's really going to take a left leaning Turnip type figure to break through this.

[Frank Drebin 5643]

Just now, David Dennison said:

The rest also have the leverage of knowing they are dealing with a president who will never run for office again. 

Most people on this board appear to disagree with this sentiment (I am not one of them -- he is done in 4 years if he even survives that long).

[David Dennison 18905]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Bernie was, of course, correct.

He is also correct today, in the wake of Shitbird's new victory, when he discusses how the Democratic elites do the exact same thing to protect the power and money of those who fund their operation (and no, this isn't "both sides", this is my usual thing of not giving a shit about doing commentary on the GOP and wanting to focus entirely on my OWN house, where I have influence and hope). A conversation the ancient Vermonter wants to start now but is probably not really going to be had because we are going to use "it's too soon, we're hurting!" as yet another shield to protect the elites of a party who haven't allowed a free and fair primary since 2007.

We can't control how they let their elites control them. We can control how our elites control us. Let's do that.

Democrats being Democrats, the fight will be which way to move the party, and they'll fuck up, again, by thinking the message is that they need to move to the center.

 

[wildcat09 29355]

Just now, Thatguy said:

I think you are wrong here buddy. The shitdouchery that was his last term where nothing got done because there was always a "you can't do that" guy is in the rear view mirror. There will be no brakes, so anything ole buddy wants to do is getting done no matter how shittastic it is. There are going to be a whole lotta jaws hitting the floors and laughing from our side.

This. It's frankly pretty surprising how many CR posters who've been following along this whole time are suddenly acting as if they seriously think we'll just see a repeat of his first term (which you all forget was really fucking bad).  It must be coping, but jesus christ the fucking guardrails are gone. He's not worried about another election and they've spent the last 3+ years vetting potential hires to screen out anyone with the word "no" in their vocabulary. He can sit there on his ass watching Fox News and tweeting all day and his administration can still do 90% of the worst shit he wants to do without his active involvement.  

[bad_teammate 13215]

1 minute ago, G650 said:

It's really going to take a left leaning Turnip type figure to break through this.

No. The future can be much, much, much brighter than that. Ignore Trump, he sucks. He's awful. Not just repellant to our aesthetics and values, but he's actually garbage at building anything meaningful.

Look very slightly back in the past to see what we can actually do.

 

[G650 14263]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

This. It's frankly pretty surprising how many CR posters who've been following along this whole time are suddenly acting as if they seriously think we'll just see a repeat of his first term (which you all forget was really fucking bad).  It must be coping, but jesus christ the fucking guardrails are gone. He's not worried about another election and they've spent the last 3+ years vetting potential hires to screen out anyone with the word "no" in their vocabulary. He can sit there on his ass watching Fox News and tweeting all day and his administration can still do 90% of the worst shit he wants to do without his active involvement.  

While I agree with you for the most part, I do doubt that their competency has increased any meaningful amount. Being just the true believers now, I suspect it's probably going to regress a bit.

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

No. The future can be much, much, much brighter than that. Ignore Trump, he sucks. He's awful. Not just repellant to our aesthetics and values, but he's actually garbage at building anything meaningful.

Look very slightly back in the past to see what we can actually do.

 

That would literally be an example of what I'm talking about.

[wildcat09 29355]

Just now, G650 said:

While I agree with you for the most part, I do doubt that their competency has increased any meaningful amount. Being just the true believers now, I suspect it's probably going to regress a bit.

It doesn't take a whole lot of competency to destroy shit. 

[bad_teammate 13215]

Just now, G650 said:

That would literally be an example of what I'm talking about.

I am not capable of seeing Obama (especially the aughts-version of Obama) as a Trump-type figure. You will have to explain it slowly because even the thought of someone making that case activates my reptilian brain and makes me want to load one of my guns lol

[David Dennison 18905]

4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This. It's frankly pretty surprising how many CR posters who've been following along this whole time are suddenly acting as if they seriously think we'll just see a repeat of his first term (which you all forget was really fucking bad).  It must be coping, but jesus christ the fucking guardrails are gone. He's not worried about another election and they've spent the last 3+ years vetting potential hires to screen out anyone with the word "no" in their vocabulary. He can sit there on his ass watching Fox News and tweeting all day and his administration can still do 90% of the worst shit he wants to do without his active involvement.  

From a purely cynical standpoint, that should thrill Democrats because it means they are going to clean up in the next couple of elections.

[G650 14263]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

I am not capable of seeing Obama (especially the aughts-version of Obama) as a Trump-type figure. You will have to explain it slowly because even the thought of someone making that case activates my reptilian brain and makes me want to load one of my guns lol

What I mean is someone outside the current in crowd that will challenge the Democrats verities and orthodoxy of their approach. Obviously someone who is inspiring and hopeful, not a hateful piece of shit like Turnip.

[Thatguy 8740]

6 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This. It's frankly pretty surprising how many CR posters who've been following along this whole time are suddenly acting as if they seriously think we'll just see a repeat of his first term (which you all forget was really fucking bad).  It must be coping, but jesus christ the fucking guardrails are gone. He's not worried about another election and they've spent the last 3+ years vetting potential hires to screen out anyone with the word "no" in their vocabulary. He can sit there on his ass watching Fox News and tweeting all day and his administration can still do 90% of the worst shit he wants to do without his active involvement.  

Yep. Absolutely no one standing in his way and absolutely nothing to hold back for. He is going to line his pockets as much as he can and do whatever he thinks will make the country better for the 10 people in his life. The latter just so happens to line up with Fascism and Christian Nationalism so we are gonna do that. Since he isn't interested in the day to day he will just appoint some Nazi to it. It's going to be awful, but hey, it's already been awful for me and mine for decades so what's one more?

[G650 14263]

7 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It doesn't take a whole lot of competency to destroy shit. 

No, but I think it's gonna be unpredictable.

[bad_teammate 13215]

Just now, G650 said:

What I mean is someone outside the current in crowd that will challenge the Democrats verities and orthodoxy of their approach. Obviously someone who is inspiring and hopeful, not a hateful piece of shit like Turnip.

Nice, Multicultural Populism vs Hateful, Bigoted Populism

Yeah, basically.

[AnTiM 1667]

12 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The rest also have the leverage of knowing they are dealing with a president who will never run for office again. 

When did dictators have to start running for office?  I missed that part.

[wildcat09 29355]

Just now, David Dennison said:

From a purely cynical standpoint, that should thrill Democrats because it means they are going to clean up in the next couple of elections.

You gotta let the cope go. There likely won't be a functional Democratic party in 2 years. Republican AGs and soon the Republican House and Senate are all opening investigations right now into ActBlue and other Dem infrastructure. Even if they don't fabricate evidence, which they probably will, the investigations themselves will be highly damaging (similar to how Elon's lawsuit against GARM forced them to shut down even though his suit was frivolous). 

There is no short term hope, except that he shits himself to death sooner rather than later. The institutions that maintained the America you knew have all fallen. I'm not saying you should panic or despair, but everyone needs to open their fucking eyes and acknowledge reality. That's the first step everyone has to take before we can begin fixing this shit. 

[Mdhorn 5968]

19 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

And it allows them to swallow up competitors and competitors' assets on the cheap.

One of my fav quotes—“‘You socialize the losses and privatize the gains,’ which isn’t capitalism.”

I’d add that we also socialize our pain. I  voted for someone that would keep my family safe—instead of selling secrets to foreign governments. Massive irresponsibility comes with freedom too. That lesson is going to be painful.  I hope jack smith publicly releases all the case docs since they don’t seem to matter.

[Captainant 27680]

Just now, AnTiM said:

When did dictators have to start running for office?  I missed that part.

Historically speaking, most dictators do win an election to gain power that they never relinquish 

[MissingInAction 25105]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

Historically speaking, most dictators do win an election to gain power that they never relinquish 

There's a great series on prime

The Dictators Playbook.

Covers the regimes of 6 different cunts and their rise to power 

[GenXer 2882]

19 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Trump has 53 or 54 GOP Senators and just won the popular vote.  He can get whatever appointments he wants.  He could not last time.  Had 52 GOP Senators and had to deal with McCain, Murkowski, Collins,  and Jeff Flake.

Collins and Murkowski can vote how they want.  The rest are gone.

 

 By the end of his last term, a number were just “interim” and never went through a confirmation.

[Woland 733]

When did dictators have to start running for office?  I missed that part.

They don’t have to but they do it anyway to create a facade of democracy (which doesn’t fool anyone).

[Captainant 27680]

1 minute ago, MissingInAction said:

There's a great series on prime

The Dictators Playbook.

Covers the regimes of 6 different cunts and their rise to power 

Another common theme: a failed first attempt, a failure to punish it, and then a popular takeover fueled by propagandized grievances. We're running a little faster than the historical benchmark of 8-9 years 

[AnTiM 1667]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Historically speaking, most dictators do win an election to gain power that they never relinquish 

I mentioned it because we just elected a candidate who had previously stated he would like to be a dictator.

[bad_teammate 13215]

If Trump kills the DNC I might have to hand-deliver him a McDonald's Diet Coke.

I don't mean that in an accelerationist or pouty sense, but genuinely excited about the potential to eliminate an apparatus that actively suppresses grassroots organization and distributed decision-making within the larger progressive movement. In the wake of Shitbird's victory, I've listened to about 8 hours of Pod Save America in the background while I do other things and the national Democrats should just shut up and find ways to let these podcasters run their messaging. Not hiring them into campaigns or putting them into the apparatus, but shut the fucking apparatus down and let the messaging get distributed. No central clearinghouse run by the Pelosis of the world and their billionaire friends.

We could do that. It would be great.

[Thatguy 8740]

6 minutes ago, G650 said:

What I mean is someone outside the current in crowd that will challenge the Democrats verities and orthodoxy of their approach. Obviously someone who is inspiring and hopeful, not a hateful piece of shit like Turnip.

It won't take that. This dude is about to hurt the structure of America in every way possible and stupid people who voted for him will all be feeling the pain. Women when they sign that national abortion ban. Business owners when they start deporting. The American people's wallets when they both start deporting AND when he slaps on sweeping tariffs. Hispanics when they get caught up in sweeps. The list goes on and on. We are truly about to hit rock bottom. Trump is a disruptor. Problem is he has no off switch. America is truly about to find out. Then we people will truly be ready for change.

[Chad Fuck 17684]

25 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The rest also have the leverage of knowing they are dealing with a president who will never run for office again. 

He won't need to. 

[Hank Kingsley 20966]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

If Trump kills the DNC I might have to hand-deliver him a McDonald's Diet Coke.

I don't mean that in an accelerationist or pouty sense, but genuinely excited about the potential to eliminate an apparatus that actively suppresses grassroots organization and distributed decision-making within the larger progressive movement. In the wake of Shitbird's victory, I've listened to about 8 hours of Pod Save America in the background while I do other things and the national Democrats should just shut up and find ways to let these podcasters run their messaging. Not hiring them into campaigns or putting them into the apparatus, but shut the fucking apparatus down and let the messaging get distributed. No central clearinghouse run by the Pelosis of the world and their billionaire friends.

We could do that. It would be great.

Completely agree. The Democratic Party needs to enter the 21st century and they should be embarrassed that Republicans beat them by quickly adapting to this modern, ever-changing world. 

[David Dennison 18905]

9 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Historically speaking, most dictators do win an election to gain power that they never relinquish 

True, but this one will. You can worry about it if you want, though.