Trump’s America

[gmr548 16490]

5 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

I saw that and read Tom Herman. I really got pissed.

So the pattern emerges. And so many said Trump knew nothing about it.

Maybe CBP staff will tell recruits to go work for the cartels or something

[SquishMitten 10397]

22 hours ago, immamac said:

There's like 5 threads. This is the thread where Trump policies result in intended consequences and it goes poorly. 

Stop using this thread for random discussion. Also this thread shouldn't even be busy until after January. 

Maybe thread should be retitled to something like "Trump's America and Leopards Eating Faces" to make that more clear.

[immamac 42515]

I merged a bunch of posts into this one. Missed deleting that one. Lol

[wildcat09 29220]

40 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

So the majority of the electorate is ill informed at best.  And many of those ill-informed are indeed stupid. 

How is this anything other than a marketing issue?  It certainly isn't a policy issue.  It just is.  

Left needs to get beyond being angry about it. And while Biden did some great things in terms of infrastructure, climate, etc., they didn't on the border and they obviously aren't tight with Isreal and they couldn't get past their own identify politics. Those are big fucking deals and the optics on those were bad. 

Lesson has to be a whole lot more than "they never had a chance because of inflation".  Shit, they could have made some lemonade out of the infrastructure bill and full employment in an argument about inflation and they didn't. 

  

In my ideal alternate history scenario, Biden announces after the IRA passes that he won't seek a second term and spends the remainder of his term aggressively championing all the benefits it brings. Still not sure it would've been enough to get the Dem candidate a win, but it certainly would've been better than what we got.

Dems need to focus on 2 things now: attacking billionaires and attacking the media (and these aren't always distinct).  "He's the puppet of billionaires, including an illegal immigrant!" is a strong message that will play. "The media sanewashed him and lied to you about his plans because they wanted the ratings he would bring!" will play too. We need to get the type of voter who largely doesn't pay attention to think that the media is on his side, not ours, which shouldn't be that hard to sell given that it's true.  

[bolverk 29396]

46 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

So the majority of the electorate is ill informed at best.  And many of those ill-informed are indeed stupid. 

How is this anything other than a marketing issue?  It certainly isn't a policy issue.  It just is.  

Left needs to get beyond being angry about it. And while Biden did some great things in terms of infrastructure, climate, etc., they didn't on the border and they obviously aren't tight with Isreal and they couldn't get past their own identify politics. Those are big fucking deals and the optics on those were bad. 

Lesson has to be a whole lot more than "they never had a chance because of inflation".  Shit, they could have made some lemonade out of the infrastructure bill and full employment in an argument about inflation and they didn't. 

  

I've got some news for you: We shouldn't be tight with Israel.

Eyeing Trump support, Israeli minister pushes for West Bank settlement annexation

[BevoAbyss 2057]

For those who think there are no parallels. I literally put this together in about 30 minutes while eating a sandwich for lunch. Ran out of room on the PPT slide. Feel free to add to the list.

 

Edited Monday at 06:59 PM by BevoAbyss

[David Dennison 18646]

That's a decent list, but it's not convincing outside of the echo chamber.

 

[Incredulity 11543]

"4 letter acronym" 

Strong, really really strong.

 

[David Dennison 18646]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

"4 letter acronym" 

Strong, really really strong.

 

[mchookem 16193]

i mean KISS

[BevoAbyss 2057]

10 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

That's a decent list, but it's not convincing outside of the echo chamber

I forgot to add:

Hitler and Trump: Millions of blind ass apologists and denialists, like you and many others on this board. 

Edited Monday at 07:15 PM by BevoAbyss

[Hank Kingsley 20678]

No matter if there’s any truth to it, conflating Trumpism with Nazi Germany was a losing message, is a losing message, and will continue to be a losing message. 
 

Time to workshop some other strategies. 

[DaysOff 7849]

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

I generally agree with this, except that Johnny Sack will never tire of owning the libs. He'd gladly let Trump take every possession he has except for a computer and modem so he could keep dunking on libs online. But he's just one guy.  

This gloating is bizarre and kind of proves they're in a cult. If Harris had won, I'd let out a huge sigh of relief and that's about it.

[bolverk 29396]

This is the guy who wanted to get into a fistfight with the Teamsters guy.

https://bsky.app/profile/dbernstein.bsky.social/post/3laox5s3lik23

[Incredulity 11543]

5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Time to workshop some other strategies. 

Ok, hear me out.  A pivot to calling them skinheads.  Its fresh, modern and relatable.  

[Constant 6722]

 

Found a cool club for some of you weirdos to join. 

[wood 11121]

nsiap ... Former DHS secretary Jeh Johnson worked a lot with Tom Homan and says that he doesn't recognize the Tom Homan he sees speaking publicly now. He says he would never ask an agent to seperate a U.S. citizen child and from their parents, calling that an inhumane policy. He stressed that criminals & national security threats should be the top priority, and that there are more than enough of them in our jails right now "to keep ICE very, very busy.

Trump's new border czar to Democratic governors: Get the hell out of the way 

Video: https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/11/politics/video/tom-homan-trump-mass-deportations-jeh-johnson-digvid

[Pancho 44452]

News this morning is turnips transition team is unnerved by Elmo being involved so much.

 

This is 100% Elmo’s presidency. 

[G650 14079]

3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

News this morning is turnips transition team is unnerved by Elmo being involved so much.

 

This is 100% Elmo’s presidency. 

[Hermanator 6931]

This is fantastic. Relying on the fucking military to save Americans from fascists they elected. Wonder how that will go? 

Quote

Military officials discussing how to respond to illegal orders under Trump – report

Officials at the Pentagon are having informal discussions about what to do if Donald Trump were to give an illegal order, such as deploying the military domestically, CNN reports.

They are also preparing for the possibility that he may change rules to be able to fire scores of career civil servants.

On the campaign trail, Trump has mulled sending the military after his political enemies, and also to turn back migrants at the southern border. US law generally prohibits active-duty troops from being deployed for law enforcement purposes. There are also fears he could gut the civil service in the Pentagon, and replace fired staff with employees selected for their loyalty to him.

Here’s more, from CNN:

 

Trump has suggested he would be open to using active-duty forces for domestic law enforcement and mass deportations and has indicated he wants to stack the federal government with loyalists and “clean out corrupt actors” in the US national security establishment.

Officials are now gaming out various scenarios as they prepare for an overhaul of the Pentagon.

“We are all preparing and planning for the worst-case scenario, but the reality is that we don’t know how this is going to play out yet,” one defense official said.

Trump’s election has also raised questions inside the Pentagon about what would happen if the president issued an unlawful order, particularly if his political appointees inside the department don’t push back.

“Troops are compelled by law to disobey unlawful orders,” said another defense official. “But the question is what happens then – do we see resignations from senior military leaders? Or would they view that as abandoning their people?”

 

[Ojo Rojo 1888]

6 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

This is fantastic. Relying on the fucking military to save Americans from fascists they elected. Wonder how that will go? 

 

Yeah, this is normal.  Very, very normal.

[956 Worldwide 34418]

12 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

This is fantastic. Relying on the fucking military to save Americans from fascists they elected. Wonder how that will go? 

 

These types of stories make me cringe because Trump will be paying attention and this type of stuff enraged him and his team. Every journalist in Washington is looking to do the “federal employees prepare to resist Trump” story and all that will do is serve to accelerate his assault and give ammo to GOP moderates to go along. 

[wood 11121]

14 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

This is fantastic. Relying on the fucking military to save Americans from fascists they elected. Wonder how that will go? 

 

Yeah this is what Popok was talking about in the video I posted earlier. 

 

[workswithseed 2035]

5 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Yeah, this is normal.  Very, very normal.

It should be, it wouldn't be the first time the military just did things presidents said, like blowing up an American, or giving weapons to people to give to others. I mean it'd be better if we had none, but that ain't happening, too many people like standing armies.

[pyrohornIII 4806]

I'd like to see us have some prediction/scorecard for Project 2025.  Something that would predict what steps are going to be taken first, the reasons they are giving to Joe Q Public why these steps are necessary and predictions for best and worst case scenarios if enacted.  Then follow up with updates as things actually unfold.  And cite everything we can.  

 

Something simpler would be a scratchoff list of promises Trump made like below.  (Just get citations on these promises, as in interviews/videos of rallies where he actually says the words).  Then once a week put that list under everyone's noses and ask how things are coming along.  Pretty much like the delays of rebuilding ACA and infrastructure week.  He can't say Dems stopped him, or anything other than legal consequences, after the red tide gave him all three branches now.  So "why not done??" should be the constant question.

[bolverk 29396]

https://www.rawstory.com/nazi-flags-michigan/

[David Dennison 18646]

59 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

I forgot to add:

Hitler and Trump: Millions of blind ass apologists and denialists, like you and many others on this board. 

I'm not blind. I just think multitude of differences between Germany in the 1930s and the United States in 2024 outweigh and temper the similarities, the most important being a 250 year history developing a strong, albeit flawed, democracy.

 

[bolverk 29396]

1 minute ago, pyrohornIII said:

I'd like to see us have some prediction/scorecard for Project 2025.  Something that would predict what steps are going to be taken first, the reasons they are giving to Joe Q Public why these steps are necessary and predictions for best and worst case scenarios if enacted.  Then follow up with updates as things actually unfold.  And cite everything we can.  

 

Something simpler would be a scratchoff list of promises Trump made like below.  (Just get citations on these promises, as in interviews/videos of rallies where he actually says the words).  Then once a week put that list under everyone's noses and ask how things are coming along.  Pretty much like the delays of rebuilding ACA and infrastructure week.  He can't say Dems stopped him, or anything other than legal consequences, after the red tide gave him all three branches now.  So "why not done??" should be the constant question.

It's a good idea, but I think that's what this other thread is for:

 

[pyrohornIII 4806]

4 minutes ago, bolverk said:

It's a good idea, but I think that's what this other thread is for:

 

Thanks.  I've been rather caught up in the drama of the TDP chair situation I haven't been in here as much as I would have liked.  Thanks for pointing this out for me.  

 

[Incredulity 11543]

58 minutes ago, Constant said:

 

Found a cool club for some of you weirdos to join. 

Reddit POST!!!!!!

 

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NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[Thatguy 8492]

3 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

I generally agree with this, except that Johnny Sack will never tire of owning the libs. He'd gladly let Trump take every possession he has except for a computer and modem so he could keep dunking on libs online. But he's just one guy.  

Nah man. Johnny Sack is a pussy, as is everyone like him. They've never been through the fire which is why they have no empathy for anyone who struggles. The moment their life gets hard they will be begging anyone to "make it stop". You are giving them wayyyy too much credit Cat. Roll back time to the stock market crash in 1929. Who was jumping out the windows? The Johnny Sacks. People who had been through some shit just shrugged their shoulders and kept it moving. I hope Trump drives this mother fucker into the ditch just like '29 so we can get some real progressive change. Maybe we will lose a few Sacks and Increduwhatevers along the way.

[wood 11121]

This thread moves so damn fast, so nsiap ...

 

[Hermanator 6931]

32 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

 

 

33 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I'm not blind. I just think multitude of differences between Germany in the 1930s and the United States in 2024 outweigh and temper the similarities, the most important being a 250 year history developing a strong, albeit flawed, democracy.

 

So what do you think happens when Trump issues orders that violate the Constitution?

How do his unlawful orders to the military play out?

[linux 1659]

33 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I'm not blind. I just think multitude of differences between Germany in the 1930s and the United States in 2024 outweigh and temper the similarities, the most important being a 250 year history developing a strong, albeit flawed, democracy.

 

That is like taking solace in the fact that earth is 4 billion years old and will go on without us... thanks I guess? that 250 year history also works against us, they want to go back when women could not vote that is only a 100 year old thing.

[WinningIsHard 4016]

1 hour ago, BevoAbyss said:

For those who think there are no parallels. I literally put this together in about 30 minutes while eating a sandwich for lunch. Ran out of room on the PPT slide. Feel free to add to the list.

 

The president and VP from like 3 different periods including the current one have called trump Hitler and or the end of democracy to a live audience. The compliant media thing is blatantly wrong. Hitler was never elected then took a break to take back over again THEN become a dictator. Biden and Obama deported more people than Trump have and it's not even close so that holds no water until it happens. I completely understand you guys hate trump/trump voters and view him as a problem but this nazi germany thing is ridiculous. 

[linux 1659]

35 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

The president and VP from like 3 different periods including the current one have called trump Hitler and or the end of democracy to a live audience. The compliant media thing is blatantly wrong. Hitler was never elected then took a break to take back over again THEN become a dictator. Biden and Obama deported more people than Trump have and it's not even close so that holds no water until it happens. I completely understand you guys hate trump/trump voters and view him as a problem but this nazi germany thing is ridiculous. 

His own VP called him Hitler, look I get Trump's perfect weapon has been a gaslight, a grading on a curve. The Left warns that he is Hitler! He behaves like Franco and then they go see! you were wrong!

I am so fucking tired of people getting wood about them thinking they know who Trump is, that they know... that they know when he is lying and when he is telling it like it is.

Trump may not be Hitler, but that is because we work around the clock to defeat him, it is no thanks to either his supporters or his professors here grading him on a curve. 

Yes I can see key moments where he does not get Hitler like powers, like the military bargaining allegience if he terminates his paramilitary (oathkeepers/proudboys et al). However a Putin like dictatorship is still painfully obvious because YOU feel smug that at least it was not a final solution.

Edited Monday at 09:40 PM by linux

[linux 1659]

As for the enabling act he is already pushing for him to be able to do appointments without senate conformation, that is one step behind the enabling act.

[Biff Tannen 45491]

1 hour ago, pyrohornIII said:

I'd like to see us have some prediction/scorecard for Project 2025.  Something that would predict what steps are going to be taken first, the reasons they are giving to Joe Q Public why these steps are necessary and predictions for best and worst case scenarios if enacted.  Then follow up with updates as things actually unfold.  And cite everything we can.  

 

Something simpler would be a scratchoff list of promises Trump made like below.  (Just get citations on these promises, as in interviews/videos of rallies where he actually says the words).  Then once a week put that list under everyone's noses and ask how things are coming along.  Pretty much like the delays of rebuilding ACA and infrastructure week.  He can't say Dems stopped him, or anything other than legal consequences, after the red tide gave him all three branches now.  So "why not done??" should be the constant question.

10 and 11 will happen, but for very different reasons than they would have under Harris.

[wildcat09 29220]

The real enabling act was called Trump v. United States and it's already been decreed by our benevolent super-legislators.  

[David Dennison 18646]

1 hour ago, Hermanator said:

So what do you think happens when Trump issues orders that violate the Constitution?

How do his unlawful orders to the military play out?

Democrats know how to forum shop as well as Republicans. Beyond that it comes down to basic political resistance by all Democrats at every level of government. 

I have no idea how the military will react to unlawful orders. 

[David Dennison 18646]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The real enabling act was called Trump v. United States and it's already been decreed by our benevolent super-legislators.  

We'll see. Congress can be very jealous of its power.

[gmr548 16490]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

We'll see. Congress can be very jealous of its power.

Not when said power is being yielded in a way Congress would like to but can't because they don't have the votes or fear the electoral blowback.

[David Dennison 18646]

3 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Not when said power is being yielded in a way Congress would like to but can't because they don't have the votes or fear the electoral blowback.

The ones who determine whether legislation passes often do have to fear electoral blowback because they are in swing districts. This administration is going to have to negotiate with Congress to get a lot of stuff done because the votes won't automatically be there.

Edited Monday at 10:11 PM by David Dennison

[UpperWestside 6133]

1 hour ago, Hermanator said:

 

So what do you think happens when Trump issues orders that violate the Constitution?

How do his unlawful orders to the military play out?

They play out with the United States military not following those orders. There are few things I feel certain about in life, but this is one of them. Our elected officials have no respect for the Constitution, but our military will stand down on any orders to harm American citizens. 

[gmr548 16490]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The ones who determine whether legislation passes often do have to fear electoral blowback because they are in swing districts. This administration is going to have to negotiate with Congress to get a lot of stuff done because the votes won't automatically be there.

That's what I'm getting at. I don't think Congress will necessarily get jealous and act as a check. Maybe an impediment to the agenda through dysfunction, sure, but an active check? Nah.

[David Dennison 18646]

Just now, gmr548 said:

That's what I'm getting at. I don't think Congress will necessarily get jealous and act as a check. Maybe an impediment to the agenda through dysfunction, sure, but an active check? Nah.

We'll get a good indication when we find out who the next Senate Majority Leader will be. If it's Rick Scott, welp, there goes one check.

[softlynow 1783]

4 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

They play out with the United States military not following those orders. There are few things I feel certain about in life, but this is one of them. Our elected officials have no respect for the Constitution, but our military will stand down on any orders to harm American citizens. 

There are probably more Flynn’s than we’d like to believe, but I do think the DoD will be the slowest institution to be Trumpified. 

[Chad Fuck 17551]

7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The ones who determine whether legislation passes often do have to fear electoral blowback because they are in swing districts. This administration is going to have to negotiate with Congress to get a lot of stuff done because the votes won't automatically be there.

They will be once he sends some goon around to ask the family if the good Congressperson would kindly consider voting as the dear leader wishes. 

Shame about your dog, btw.  He just ran right out in front of the car.

 

[David Dennison 18646]

1 minute ago, Chad Fuck said:

They will be once he sends some goon around to ask the family if the good Congressperson would kindly consider voting as the dear leader wishes. 

Shame about your dog, btw.  He just ran right out in front of the car.

Sure. I guess that could happen. The more likely thing to happen, though, is trading favors, Washington style.

Edited Monday at 10:21 PM by David Dennison

[Chad Fuck 17551]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Sure. I guess that could happen. The more likely thing to happen, though, is trading favors, Washington style.

I get the example I gave was extreme.  But he has no limits now.  Time will only tell.  Hopefully it's a story of the ineptitude and inadequacies of a man steamrolling into dementia and his merry band of sycophantic ne'er do wells tripping over their own dicks in a malevolent parody of Veep.  But I can imagine there will be times when the story is much worse.