Fire Jaime Harrison

[Farmerted 125]

2 hours ago, Mittens said:

 

Bernie kinda hit the nail on the head 

[David Dennison 18749]

1 minute ago, Farmerted said:

Bernie kinda hit the nail on the head 

BuT wE gOt To MoVe To ThE cEnTeR!!!

[Dnaguy 11804]

3 hours ago, Mittens said:

 

Joe Biden has been the most pro union president in the modern era

Quit making up stories.

Results don’t matter in a marketplace of fantasy.

The only currency now is chaos / change. in 2020 we needed an adult bc times were bad. 
Bad times are over means the bitter medicine taste that lingers makes us angry.

What? That saved our lives and made us healthier?

Fuck that. I want Big Macs and Churros. I don’t care that it’ll give me the sugars. I don’t care that it’ll eventually kill me. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19096]

9 hours ago, C-Man said:

You'll get President Camacho and like it

I think President Comacho might be better than Donald Trump 2.0.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19096]

8 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

What are we supposed to fucking do? Become Nazi Lite? At a certain point you have to stand for decency and reason.

The Dems’ demise (and the country’s) originated in decisions made decades ago to shift right and abandon the working class. At this point those people are lost. But it doesn’t benefit anyone for the Dems to shift to the right again. 

But this is all moot. We’re just rearranging deck chairs. Votes and platforms and appeal to voters and shit are all irrelevant going forward. Welcome to the single party US. 

We can also thank Reagan for bringing in the Christian right (Jerry Falwell).

[gmr548 16556]

10 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm telling y'all, watch that Buttigieg video when you have time. There is not a better mind in the Democratic Party, he is a generational political figure and needs to be most influential member of the party now. What he said in this interview 7.5 years ago resonates even more today.

 

 

10 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Buttigieg ran for DNC chair in 2017. Since he'll be out of a government job soon, I'd love to see him run again if he's up for it. 

This is an interview he did after running in 2017, and I think he understands the bigger picture more than anyone else high up in the party.  I highly recommend watching. 

 

I like Pete. I do. He's obviously a very smart guy and seems to have a big heart.

But in light of the complete faceplant in the CR with such confidence in Harris, the board's thirsting for Pete as a candidate gives me pause.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19096]

6 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

It's only the economy. It always is.  All the other issues are just noise to the working class. Their world view doesn't extend much past their town, family, and job.  They may have an opinion about another issue but it's not driving them to vote.  Their view of the economy is limited to their purchasing power.  High interest rates and inflation negatively affect their purchasing power.  20+% gains every year in the stock market is irrelevant to them.  They don't own stock or have significant retirement savings in the market.

If you get the economic messaging right, you can say whatever the fuck you want about any other issue and you will get the working class.

 

Then there should have been a masterclass on fucking tariffs and exactly what that is going to do to their purchasing power. I get what you are saying, but we also have an economically illiterate populace. The things Trump and his "people" have floated will make the United States worse off. It will increase prices and hurt people through cuts to social security and medicare. Prices will rise, people's incomes will fall, and then, it is a double whammy.

However, Americans cannot even be bothered to understand that Harris was running and not Biden (the google searches are unfucking real).

Also, what is going to happen to food prices once mass deporations happen? There goes your farm labor. Housing? There goes your construction labor.

Edited November 7 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[TwiceHorn 31353]

9 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

He's my favorite Democrat and would love to see him exalted within the party like you say, but I also feel like he'd be a bad nominee. I don't see this bigoted-ass country electing a gay man president anytime soon. I truly believe a significant hurdle for Harris was that for many people, a woman (especially a brown one) doesn't match their mental model of a president. Homosexuality would pose the same problem, even though most people are tolerant of lgbtq these days. 

Well you can certainly leave the T out of that one.

[Hank Kingsley 20800]

Candidate for DNC CHAIR. 

 

[TwiceHorn 31353]

8 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Then there should have been a masterclass on fucking tariffs and exactly what that is going to do to their purchasing power. I get what you are saying, but we also have an economically illiterate populace. The things Trump and his "people" have floated will make the United States worse off. It will increase prices and hurt people through cuts to social security and medicare. Prices will rise, people's incomes will fall, and then, it is a double whammy.

However, Americans cannot even be bothered to understand that Harris was running and not Biden (the google searches are unfucking real).

Should have been pretty simple.  Chinese do not pay tariffs, the Americans who import Chinese goods pay tariffs. Then they turn around and raise prices in America by that amount.  And Chinese goods are the generally the cheapest goods available here.  So the cheap goods go up by the amount of the tariff and no one has any incentive to compete with the cheap goods anymore  Voila everyone pays more.

And the revenue from tariffs pales in comparison to an income tax hike on the super-rich and business.  It's not enough money to solve anything.

But that also requires people to listen and to put aside superstition.  The latter may be where the bigger problem lies.

So, yeah messaging is important, but it's really hard to overcome some of the problems with the electorate.

 

Edited November 7 by TwiceHorn

[YChang 3432]

59 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

But that also requires people to listen and to put aside superstition.  The latter may be where the bigger problem lies.

So, yeah messaging is important, but it's really hard to overcome some of the problems with the electorate.

 

Time to flood socials with explainer videos that a grade school kid would understand. 

[Pancho 44587]

1 hour ago, Farmerted said:

Bernie kinda hit the nail on the head 

Did he?
 

Harris ran ahead of Bernie this election,

[linux 1659]

11 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Did he?
 

Harris ran ahead of Bernie this election,

One is a known quantity (loser) one is an unkown, its not fair to Harris, it was rigged from the start, but winning is more important than promises to the establishment, Bernie understood the palpatable rage, nobody else in the DNC did.

[BurntOrange&White 39821]

21 minutes ago, YChang said:

Time to flood socials with explainer videos that a grade school kid would understand. 

Democrats meme game needs to get stronger. Republicans are far superior in the meme game and that’s why theirs sticks more than the democrats. 

[David Dennison 18749]

7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Democrats meme game needs to get stronger. Republicans are far superior in the meme game and that’s why theirs sticks more than the democrats. 

They also need to stop with the celebrity worship. It's enough already.

[BurntOrange&White 39821]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

They also need to stop with the celebrity worship. It's enough already.

They should also reel in their legacy media to have unified messages. 

[Pancho 44587]

19 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

They also need to stop with the celebrity worship. It's enough already.

 

15 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

They should also reel in their legacy media to have unified messages. 

 

 

You’re describing UT football, not the dems

[Muny_Tex 293]

1.) Those of you decrying the irredeemable nature of machismo culture should take a look at the final candidate pool (and religious affiliation of the winner) for the Mexican Presidential election that just concluded.  You then might want to take look at the stated platform + policy stances of the Morena Party that now has a stranglehold on that entire country before you carry on any further with your abject stupidity about political realities.

2.) American voters of all races/colors/creeds will enthusiastically elect a female POTUS (in the same manner they elected a black man by big margins, twice) the moment a female emerges with genuine personal appeal and sincere regard for issues that matter to them. 

The "gender part" of the Clinton and Harris debacles is far less relevant than the fact they were both hand-picked via coronation from a universally-despised establishment machine....and then doubled-down by running tone-deaf "I know better than you!" campaigns right into the blade of a populist buzzsaw.

Edited November 7 by Muny_Tex

[linux 1659]

face.

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The "gender part" of the Clinton and Harris debacles is far less relevant than the fact they were both hand-picked via coronation from a universally-despised establishment machine....and then doubled-down by running tone-deaf "I know better than you!" campaigns right into the blade of a populist buzzsaw.

The issue is that Biden ran on the same thing "I am appalled face", and won.

Women can't do the anger that is needed for populism, it is a double edge sword, maybe a populist woman in 2016 but not today the high decibels of anger makes her look tryhardish today. And we need a screamer.

Democrats did an identity politics coup after the first debate, I can call it a coup again because the election is over and I shut my mouth it should have been a straight white christian man picked Either Cooper, Beshear or Mark Kelly, raising money is irrelevant as we have all seen he could have raised money himself as well.

Edited November 7 by linux

[G650 14143]

9 hours ago, gmr548 said:

 

I like Pete. I do. He's obviously a very smart guy and seems to have a big heart.

But in light of the complete faceplant in the CR with such confidence in Harris, the board's thirsting for Pete as a candidate gives me pause.

This board is like the most concentrated form of Pete voter

[Nice Guy Eddie 13419]

Who should be fired is everyone on this page: https://www.texasdemocrats.org/party-officers

if the Texas DNC took the last few months off, would the results be any different in Texas? I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they try but their results call for dissolution.

surprised that someone else doesn’t start a competing Texas DNC from scratch.

Edited November 7 by Nice Guy Eddie

[Chuckie Finster 22625]

Humbly suggest that we add “2024 Democratic Party Post-Mortem” to the title of this thread, because it’s a discussion worth having and the problems extend far beyond Mr. Harrison.

Why this year feels different than any other election for the last 20 years is that Democrats lost the popular vote. Every other year, the party could go back and say “America as a whole agrees with us, it’s the system that’s broken.” America gave that a huge middle finger on Tuesday.

Now, first and foremost, I think the Democrats biggest problem was being in power during a period of inflation. Point blank. Looking at how elections have gone globally over the last few years, I think many of us (purposefully?) ignored what was happening to incumbents in this climate. That doesn’t mean there aren’t areas to improve, but I honestly don’t think a different candidate, focus on certain issues, etc. would have moved the needle enough to overcome inflation.

That being said, there are a few giant alarm bells ringing that need to be addressed.

1) Illegal immigration is an issue that the American people really, really care about. It’s okay to oppose Republican policies (because many of them are very bad!) but it cannot stop at “because that’s racist.” Explain how financially, a wall is an ineffective waste of taxpayer funds that doesn’t stop the majority of illegal immigrants. Make the argument that Republicans are ineffective at curbing the problem, not that the problem doesn’t exist. (Kamala, I believe, had the correct tone here generally… but the damage was already done.)
2) Progressive ideas when it comes to jobs are widely popular. Progressive ideas when it comes to social issues are less so. Understand this, and don’t let the next primary turn into an oppo factory for the Republicans.
3) I have no fucking idea how to handle the trans issue, but it’s clear that it REALLY triggers folks despite the fact that 99.9% of the population will never have to deal with it. I guess just be careful about wording and don’t provide easily usable soundbites in commercials?
4) Go after the white male vote again. Get onto podcasts, be like Pete and go on Fox News, seek out college aged voices that look like they can bench more than 100 lbs. A lot of them suck but most of them are just normal people who want to feel heard. You probably won’t win the demographic, but at least make an effort and stop letting your enemy define you. For better or worse, white males are the “symbol” of the average American and abandoning that voting block feeds into the “Democrats don’t care about the average American” stereotype. It was not “cool” at all to be Republican in 2015 and they’ve managed to change that in less than a decade. Democrats need to reverse this.
5) Do NOT abandon abortion. This will continue to be a real-life issue and only get worse. It is not the reason for the loss this year.
6) This one hurts to write, but do not nominate a woman again until the Republicans do. I am a firm believer (although I talked myself out of it) that the first woman president will have to be a Republican. The “weak” attacks are too much to overcome for many, despite the fact that they are obvious bullshit.

My initial thoughts after a couple sleeps. Happy to hear what others think as well.

[TwiceHorn 31353]

3 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Humbly suggest that we add “2024 Democratic Party Post-Mortem” to the title of this thread, because it’s a discussion worth having and the problems extend far beyond Mr. Harrison.

Why this year feels different than any other election for the last 20 years is that Democrats lost the popular vote. Every other year, the party could go back and say “America as a whole agrees with us, it’s the system that’s broken.” America gave that a huge middle finger on Tuesday.

Now, first and foremost, I think the Democrats biggest problem was being in power during a period of inflation. Point blank. Looking at how elections have gone globally over the last few years, I think many of us (purposefully?) ignored what was happening to incumbents in this climate. That doesn’t mean there aren’t areas to improve, but I honestly don’t think a different candidate, focus on certain issues, etc. would have moved the needle enough to overcome inflation.

That being said, there are a few giant alarm bells ringing that need to be addressed.

1) Illegal immigration is an issue that the American people really, really care about. It’s okay to oppose Republican policies (because many of them are very bad!) but it cannot stop at “because that’s racist.” Explain how financially, a wall is an ineffective waste of taxpayer funds that doesn’t stop the majority of illegal immigrants. Make the argument that Republicans are ineffective at curbing the problem, not that the problem doesn’t exist. (Kamala, I believe, had the correct tone here generally… but the damage was already done.)
2) Progressive ideas when it comes to jobs are widely popular. Progressive ideas when it comes to social issues are less so. Understand this, and don’t let the next primary turn into an oppo factory for the Republicans.
3) I have no fucking idea how to handle the trans issue, but it’s clear that it REALLY triggers folks despite the fact that 99.9% of the population will never have to deal with it. I guess just be careful about wording and don’t provide easily usable soundbites in commercials?
4) Go after the white male vote again. Get onto podcasts, be like Pete and go on Fox News, seek out college aged voices that look like they can bench more than 100 lbs. A lot of them suck but most of them are just normal people who want to feel heard. You probably won’t win the demographic, but at least make an effort and stop letting your enemy define you. For better or worse, white males are the “symbol” of the average American and abandoning that voting block feeds into the “Democrats don’t care about the average American” stereotype. It was not “cool” at all to be Republican in 2015 and they’ve managed to change that in less than a decade. Democrats need to reverse this.
5) Do NOT abandon abortion. This will continue to be a real-life issue and only get worse. It is not the reason for the loss this year.
6) This one hurts to write, but do not nominate a woman again until the Republicans do. I am a firm believer (although I talked myself out of it) that the first woman president will have to be a Republican. The “weak” attacks are too much to overcome for many, despite the fact that they are obvious bullshit.

My initial thoughts after a couple sleeps. Happy to hear what others think as well.

I think that's a good analysis.  The inflation problem is why Biden is unpopular, as unjust as it is to lay that at his feet.  And inflation/economics is too complex for most of the electorate to understand, so they're just going to go with superstition.

One thing I think Dems need to hammer is the notion that Republicans are good for the economy.  They need to show those graphs where spending and deficits always increase in Republican administrations and jobs decrease.

[WBT 20484]

10 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

They should also reel in their legacy media to have unified messages. 

Not lying to them and hiding the president from them for yeas to cover up his mental decline would be a good start

[linux 1659]

23 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think that's a good analysis.  The inflation problem is why Biden is unpopular, as unjust as it is to lay that at his feet.  And inflation/economics is too complex for most of the electorate to understand, so they're just going to go with superstition.

One thing I think Dems need to hammer is the notion that Republicans are good for the economy.  They need to show those graphs where spending and deficits always increase in Republican administrations and jobs decrease.

It was a problem but he refused to see it as a populist problem, inflation was code word for poverty, poverty rates have been rising and they were just so god damn blind about it, they needed to ignore the reality of inflation (the god damn graph) and had collected data that it was about making ends meet not prices. Meaning they should have done handouts, poverty reduction programs, executive actions all day long, instead we got trapped in this obsession to please wall st.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13419]

I was frustrated in the Dems' and Harris' messages regarding inflation. There was general understanding that the 2020-2022 inflation was related to COVID and the shutdowns. 

the problem was the general public feels prices should have returned 2019 levels. It's obvious that the Harris campaign deliberately did not want to refute that belief. I get it. If you are honest with the public it gives Trump more opportunity to lie by saying that he would lower prices and Harris won't.

As mentioned it's tough to teach moderate economic complexity for those without much background in it. But they should have tried in long form interviews. Possibly Joe Rogan's show... 

I asked ChatGPT to explain it in a couple of sentences:

Quote

It’s unlikely that prices will return to 2019 levels because inflation has fundamentally changed the structure of costs in the economy—wages have risen, supply chains have adapted to higher costs, and many companies have invested based on these new prices. Forcing prices back down could lead to layoffs, reduced investment, and could destabilize businesses that have adjusted to the current economic landscape. Instead, a focus on stabilizing prices rather than reversing them can help support sustainable economic growth and avoid severe disruptions.

Then get someone like Cuban or other business leaders to concur.

[G650 14143]

Prices aren't going back down unless there is economic collapse. Anyone with a room temperature IQ knows this.

[linux 1659]

The United States is in a free fall economic decline, manufacturing left and the idiot promoted 100% tariffs, Biden also did tariffs but once again was afraid to go hard in what really mattered which was quick manufacturing jobs in the blue wall, we think that economic growth was going to lift all boats it hasn't and we will pay dearly for that mistake. Biden was a return to normalcy but his legacy is the return of Trump

[Nice Guy Eddie 13419]

4 minutes ago, G650 said:

Prices aren't going back down unless there is economic collapse. Anyone with a room temperature IQ knows this.

You just described 50% of the voters.

there are also many loud voices that claim that they're earning the same or even lower wages from before COVID. So when they complain about having less, those who have seen their wages somewhat keep up with inflation, those people are quiet. It gives the belief that the vast majority have much less purchasing power today. I'm open to hearing someone prove me wrong but I think many are doing the same if not much better today than in 2019.

Of course people look at politicians for causing, or not doing anything, about inflation. And their personal wage increases are solely due to their own hard work. 

Edited November 7 by Nice Guy Eddie

[linux 1659]

3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I was frustrated in the Dems' and Harris' messages regarding inflation. There was general understanding that the 2020-2022 inflation was related to COVID and the shutdowns. 

the problem was the general public feels prices should have returned 2019 levels. It's obvious that the Harris campaign deliberately did not want to refute that belief. I get it. If you are honest with the public it gives Trump more opportunity to lie by saying that he would lower prices and Harris won't.

As mentioned it's tough to teach moderate economic complexity for those without much background in it. But they should have tried in long form interviews. Possibly Joe Rogan's show... 

I asked ChatGPT to explain it in a couple of sentences:

Then get someone like Cuban or other business leaders to concur.

Prices comming down are irrelevant as long as real wages are rising, yes backwood populist countries do this, but they do it for a reason it is popular, Argentina did it for 20 years before they got fed up about it, and in came austerity and they realized that maybe they were idiots for voting for Milei.

The idea that we could go back to 2012, but still not deliver the results and only promises killed us, we need accelerationism.

[G650 14143]

2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

You just described 50% of the voters.

I'm well aware. Sadly.

[linux 1659]

Argentina was also the meme presidency, god emperor Milei and all that but reality hit eventually, the cold shower is the only thing people really understand, never again do complex economic promises, go to ham on populism, handouts, massive in the ground data collection, stop appeasing Wall St they can't vote. Accelerationism is the only way to stave off fascism in a manufacturing declining country, those jobs are really not coming back fast enough for tariffs to destroy disposable income.

[WBT 20484]

As long as we're throwing things on the pile, I think the college loan forgiveness was a loser politically.  The Dems are already winning the college educated bigly because *gestures at trump*.  The non college educated that flock to Trump see the loan forgiveness as handouts to people that already have a huge edge in career opportunities.  And they're not wrong.

Edited November 7 by WBT

[irishtexan 11458]

One thing I don't see being discussed all that much is our giving Israel billions to bomb women and children and then get to see their mutilated corpses on the news and internet. I know quite a few progressives that either stayed home or voted third party because they just couldn't justify supporting candidates that fund genocide with our tax dollars. That's a war we should have been able to negotiate a diplomatic resolution too much, much sooner, and it (along with everything else being discussed in this thread) bit Harris in the ass.

[chainsaw 9840]

9 hours ago, Muny_Tex said:

1.) Those of you decrying the irredeemable nature of machismo culture should take a look at the final candidate pool (and religious affiliation of the winner) for the Mexican Presidential election that just concluded.  You then might want to take look at the stated platform + policy stances of the Morena Party that now has a stranglehold on that entire country before you carry on any further with your abject stupidity about political realities.

2.) American voters of all races/colors/creeds will enthusiastically elect a female POTUS (in the same manner they elected a black man by big margins, twice) the moment a female emerges with genuine personal appeal and sincere regard for issues that matter to them. 

The "gender part" of the Clinton and Harris debacles is far less relevant than the fact they were both hand-picked via coronation from a universally-despised establishment machine....and then doubled-down by running tone-deaf "I know better than you!" campaigns right into the blade of a populist buzzsaw.

You are right on both counts.

1) Mexicans are not predisposed to misogyny.

American men (including Mexican-American men but not just them) have been sold on this idea that they're being deprived of something and the culprit is liberals. From there they get radicalized into blaming society and feminism and everything the minister of culture tells them not to like. THAT is the only "big tent" in modern American politics. The DNC and Texas Dems are perpetually stuck in 2004, which could be why they thought it was so cool to have Dick Cheney's endorsement.

Can they be won back? I don't know, at this point it doesn't feel like it but I feel like two years of incompetency may be enough to peel a few people off. It depends what happens with the economy.

2) Kamala was wishy-washy on policies and came off as inauthentic.

I think sexism was an obstacle for her, but you're right that it wasn't why she lost. Unlike Hillary's coronation in 2016, the Dems had no option but Harris when the Biden disaster hit them in June. I put that failure to plan squarely at the feet of the DNC, which is why Jaime Harrison, his entire coaching staff, the coaching tree from which he came, and all coaching trees tainted by its influence, need to be fired. They should have known in 2022 that Biden was unfit to run again, but their arrogance not only allowed it to happen but even more damningly allowed it to happen without a viable backup strategy.

Instead, they had to scramble, and they realized there was no way it could be anyone but Kamala Harris. That's what VPs are for, after all.

Kamala tried to play it extraordinarily safe on policies. Tried to please everyone at the same time, and it seems nobody found it credible.

On the campaign trail, her overdependence on canned responses eroded all of the enthusiasm she had built up from the debate, which in retrospect was probably where her campaign peaked.

Unless people's lives are being directly impacted on a daily basis in the form of lockdowns and deaths, making "Trump Bad" the foundational message of your campaign is just not going to work. First, people either disagree (Trumpers) or don't care (Idiots) or don't care enough (Selfish Assholes) for it to change their votes. No Selfish Asshole in 2020 was going to vote for the anti-science, no-end-to-COVID-in-sight candidate, but without that to worry about in 2024, why would any Selfish Asshole pick Kamala? Second, by going all-in on "Trump Bad," you've just handed him the steering wheel of both campaigns. Everything you're doing is a reaction to what he's doing. Just a recipe for failure.

I really wanted to be wrong. I bought into the polls and the other indicators. Maybe he was just that bad of a candidate that the polls and conventional wisdom would be right. That people were sick of his shit, and so sick of it that not even the DNC could fuck this up.

But what I wanted isn't true, and what's true isn't what I wanted. The DNC fucked it up.

[linux 1659]

25 minutes ago, WBT said:

As long as we're throwing things on the pile, I think the college loan forgiveness was a loser politically.  The Dems are already winning the college educated bigly because *gestures at trump*.  The non college educated that flock to Trump see the loan forgiveness as handouts to people that already have a huge edge in career opportunities.  And they're not wrong.

They should have done it but for both, debt relief for the youth, outreach to the youth, they got sucked up in a hate fuel propaganda economy online and democrats had their heads in the sand.

I spoke to a jewish grandpa and he was telling me his grandson started to believe the jewish conspiracies about Soros et al, then did an about face about how defending Israel is the most important thing after Oct 7, it was all targeted propaganda, we were all asleep at the wheel but I was worried about the young. The hatred that they are being exposed to is off the charts.

[linux 1659]

17 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

One thing I don't see being discussed all that much is our giving Israel billions to bomb women and children and then get to see their mutilated corpses on the news and internet. I know quite a few progressives that either stayed home or voted third party because they just couldn't justify supporting candidates that fund genocide with our tax dollars. That's a war we should have been able to negotiate a diplomatic resolution too much, much sooner, and it (along with everything else being discussed in this thread) bit Harris in the ass.

They fucked up because they A) trusted Bibi, B) did not push for a two state solution after Biden got in office it was head in the sand again. Who knows maybe a Hamas that saw opening of the dialogue would have not done Oct 7 in the first place. I am so done with that issue nobody wants a solution, just want it to fester for all time.

[TwiceHorn 31353]

3 hours ago, WBT said:

As long as we're throwing things on the pile, I think the college loan forgiveness was a loser politically.  The Dems are already winning the college educated bigly because *gestures at trump*.  The non college educated that flock to Trump see the loan forgiveness as handouts to people that already have a huge edge in career opportunities.  And they're not wrong.

Interesting spin on it.  I think the right-wing spot that it's unfair to those who already paid doesn't make sense to most of those with debt or who paid debt.

But it probably makes sense to those who have no debt or education.

Nevertheless, I think it was the rightish thing to do, short of actually fixing student loans.

[TwiceHorn 31353]

I think it is utter bullshit that Trump would have prevented the Ukraine invasion.

I am curious as to why Putin saved his forays into Ukraine for D administrations.  Perhaps to inject chaos in the absence of Trump.

[StassneyHorn 6563]

It is funny that everyone overreacted to polls in the summer about Joe, managed to not fuck up and get in a fight over the Kamala in Chicago for the convention, but then we somehow all knew better than the late polls and she was going to win.

 

[TeeDubya 3360]

On 11/6/2024 at 11:30 AM, The Dog said:

Something like 45% of people said they were "worse off" than four years ago. Inflation hit people hard. It's the biggest reason Trump won. 

It doesn't matter what the macro numbers say - if you feel worse off then it doesn't matter. 

Perception is reality.  

Whatever metrics used to say inflation isn't that bad, if someone PERCEIVES inflation is bad, that's reality.  

(It's a pragmatism research philosophy in the world of qualitative research)

[Hank Kingsley 20800]

It probably wouldn't have moved the needle, but I always wondered why Dems didn't talk out loud more about the pandemic and inflation being a GLOBAL issue.  And that we have fared better than most, if not all, when it comes to bringing inflation numbers down.

Whether intentional or not, the framing of everything was that this was strictly an American issue. I know why people only care about what's happening here, but perspective is still important and that never broke through. 

 

[chainsaw 9840]

12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

It probably wouldn't have moved the needle, but I always wondered why Dems didn't talk out loud more about the pandemic and inflation being a GLOBAL issue.  And that we have fared better than most, if not all, when it comes to bringing inflation numbers down.

Whether intentional or not, the framing of everything was that this was strictly an American issue. I know why people only care about what's happening here, but perspective is still important and that never broke through. 

 

We're in Idiocracy. If the message has too many moving parts, isn't a catchy slogan, or uses words a second grader might not know, it's a losing message.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19096]

2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

We're in Idiocracy. If the message has too many moving parts, isn't a catchy slogan, or uses words a second grader might not know, it's a losing message.

This. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26368]

5 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

We're in Idiocracy. If the message has too many moving parts, isn't a catchy slogan, or uses words a second grader might not know, it's a losing message.

That’s not new. Have you ever seen political ads from the late 50’s-early 60’s?

 

 

[chainsaw 9840]

  

I also need to know how the fuck Jaime Harrison got this job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Harrison#Career

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After leaving College Summit, Harrison became involved in politics, working for Jim Clyburn as his director of floor operations while Clyburn was the Majority Whip of the United States House of Representatives. Harrison went on to serve as executive director of the House Democratic Caucus and the vice chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party. He later served as a lobbyist for the Podesta Group. His clients at the Podesta Group included banks, such as Bank of America and Wells Fargo, Berkshire Hathaway, pharmaceutical companies, casinos, the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity, and Walmart, among others. In addition to lobbying work at Podesta Group, he has also lobbied on behalf of United Way Worldwide and the Association of Public and Land-grant Universities.

So he worked for Jim Clyburn (a fossil) and lobbyists.

Despite breaking fundraising records, he lost by ten points to Linsdey Graham in 2020.

That's it. Those were his qualifications. He had literally won NOTHING IN HIS ENTIRE GOTTDAMN LIFE and the party trusted him to lead it in 2021.

I guess he deserves some credit for preventing a "red wave" in 2022, but he was still completely outmatched and outmaneuvered. The party cannot have Podesta-adjacent people in leadership anymore. They are completely incapable of winning back working class voters from all ethnic backgrounds.

Edited November 7 by chainsaw

[UpperWestside 6140]

On 11/6/2024 at 7:11 AM, Deej said:

Some of you are bigger pussies than Quinn. 

Whoa, Whoa, WHOA. Now you’ve gone too far.

Edited November 8 by UpperWestside

[pacman 7340]

Trump/Vance put Springfield through hell with bomb threats after their lies.

Despite this, Democrats lost that county 35/65.

15 million fewer votes.

Somebody fucked up huge.

 

 

Edited November 8 by pacman

[UpperWestside 6140]

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

We're in Idiocracy. If the message has too many moving parts, isn't a catchy slogan, or uses words a second grader might not know, it's a losing message.

Well yes if you are targeting younger voters. The attention span is shorter than that of a gnat. I feel like we keep looking to younger people to turn things around, but it’s hard to do when millions of them can’t be bothered to cast a vote. 
 

I am in favor of compulsory voting like the Aussies have. Don’t want to exercise your right to vote that people have fought for you to have? Here’s a nice fine for not doing the one civic duty you should value above all others.

[chainsaw 9840]

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/08/texas-democrat-party-resigns-gilberto-hinojosa/

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Texas Democratic Party chair steps down after dismal election performance

Gilberto Hinojosa’s resignation ends a 12-year run leading the state party, dating back to his election at the 2012 Texas Democratic Convention.