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On 11/6/2024 at 4:18 PM, David Dennison said:

I understand where you're coming from, but this sentiment is why Democrats lose elections.

Nope.   they get angry when you tell them that their God king is full of absolute bullshit and lies. Facts are useless.   You keep talking like it makes a difference what the content of the discussion was.  The only content is ‘I’m on team Trump and I want to hurt people who aren’t on my team.’ That’s it.   How It got that way is a different story, but there is literally nothing you could tell most MAGA fans and make them switch.    The anecdotal evidence of this from numerous people on the board (who posted how they changed minds) is as accurate in the broad demographics as the evidence that old people were voting against Trump.  

The Anecdotal Evidence is bullshit. You just want to keep believing the lie that that they’re very nice slightly misinformed people.   like I say, these are the people who would bring casseroles to their ailing neighbors - and yet take time to go throw rocks at the school buses bringing in black kids.   Those are nice, nice people. Just ask them. Ask their family if they are nice.  Ask their church members. Ask their neighbors. They will all tell you they are nice…

…but we need to deport those dog eating Haitians and all those criminal murdering Mexicans.  

 

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On 11/7/2024 at 7:18 PM, UpperWestside said:

Well yes if you are targeting younger voters. The attention span is shorter than that of a gnat. I feel like we keep looking to younger people to turn things around, but it’s hard to do when millions of them can’t be bothered to cast a vote. 
 

I am in favor of compulsory voting like the Aussies have. Don’t want to exercise your right to vote that people have fought for you to have? Here’s a nice fine for not doing the one civic duty you should value above all others.

This is false. There are a ton of young voters. Democrats just fucking suck at the messaging to them and essentially alienate them. 

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At a certain point we have to accept that it's not "messaging" it's the product. I have my healthy disagreements with the product, especially on Gaza and immigration, but it's obvious which product is better between what Kamala offered and what Trump offered.

I don't think there's any "messaging" that can sell decency to bad people.

No, this one's on the voters. My working theory on radicalization is that the Dems' party leadership completely ceded all these spaces (podcasts, video games, streamers, low brow events like MMA) and assumed nothing would change from 2022. As usual, the Dems' party leadership grossly miscalculated the consequences. Gen Z (males mostly) underwent a change in their values at a time when they had developed zero party loyalty.

The good news is that there are voices from the left and from the center who are already in these spaces. The infrastructure is there.

The hard pill for the party leadership to swallow is that the voices in these spaces with the greatest ability to win back Gen Z are not people with whom the party elites have ever shown a willingness to work. They would much rather trot out Oprah, Beyoncé, and Jimmy Kimmel. If I'm being honest, the GOP has done a far better job of actually responding to what young people in their movement have been asking for. Their outreach has adapted to how young people in the 2020s think, as well as how they consume media.

The Dems? Well, they had some cringeworthy "Creators for Kamala" initiative, exhibiting the same inauthenticity that plagued the candidate herself as people grew accustomed, then tired, of her stump speech.

There are 74M bad people, and as long as Dems continue to allow it to happen by ignoring how Gen Z thinks and consumes media, that number will grow even as older Republicans die out.

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1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Keep losing? Please. Democrats win plenty of elections.

Democrats lost this particular election because of inflation.

It's that simple.

 

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

The definition of insanity

 

17 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Oh, they need to make changes for sure, but claiming that they keep losing elections is not factual.

 
Inflation and an old dude that no one liked didn’t step aside like he said he would and folks got a candidate they didn’t know that was part of the administration of the guy they didn’t like.

Trump was able to be the change candidate in a time of anti incumbency sentiment around the world.

Democrats do need to come up with a platform that isn’t just anti MAGA but it could have worked if they ran anyone other than the current President or the VP knowing what we know now. 

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15 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

 

 

 
Inflation and an old dude that no one liked didn’t step aside like he said he would and folks got a candidate they didn’t know that was part of the administration of the guy they didn’t like.

Trump was able to be the change candidate in a time of anti incumbency sentiment around the world.

Democrats do need to come up with a platform that isn’t just anti MAGA but it could have worked if they ran anyone other than the current President or the VP knowing what we know now. 

I think Conover's point about civic life is overlooked, and the point about the DNC's obsession with fundraising is inarguably true at this point.

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2 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

Inflation and an old dude that no one liked didn’t step aside like he said he would and folks got a candidate they didn’t know that was part of the administration of the guy they didn’t like.

Trump was able to be the change candidate in a time of anti incumbency sentiment around the world.

Democrats do need to come up with a platform that isn’t just anti MAGA but it could have worked if they ran anyone other than the current President or the VP knowing what we know now. 

Inflation is the main reason no one liked the old guy.

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2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

I think Conover's point about civic life is overlooked, and the point about the DNC's obsession with fundraising is inarguably true at this point.

When $ became speech, then to get your voice heard you need $.

The idea that civic organizations were full of salt of the earth working class people is a little of a revisionist history. These groups were made up with folks who could afford to be in them…… especially with their time. 

The naacp is somewhat of an outlier IMO as these folks were fighting an almost existential battle. That crossed economic lines.

There’s no real way to put the genie back in the bottle. 
Americans are struggling to maintain their lifestyles. 
Well off people still feel like they’re underwater bc of healthcare and college costs. Poor folks are straight f’d. Lower class and working poor can’t catch a brake. 
Everyone is in debt on their house or credit card or student loans or that car or the payday lender who has your car title.

Parenting demands 100% of your focus when you’re not at work 45-50 hrs / week and when not commuting which is another 5-10 hrs away.

So there it is folks.

Outside of a breaking point we are left in the cold. One side doubles down on racism and xenophobia to distract from their policies the just go to enrich them further.

And the democrats focus on the rules and play by a script that has been out of date since Obama and requires someone of his generational skill much like bill clinton to win.

Any normal person or Biden character needs damn near a nuclear disaster (and Obama kind of needed that too as well as Clinton and the recession) to win bc the party or normalcy is full of ‘woke pussies’ who make the others feel bad about hating their fellow man and waiting on their Christian bank-shot of an eternity of bliss.

 

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2 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

When $ became speech, then to get your voice heard you need $.

The idea that civic organizations were full of salt of the earth working class people is a little of a revisionist history. These groups were made up with folks who could afford to be in them…… especially with their time. 

The naacp is somewhat of an outlier IMO as these folks were fighting an almost existential battle. That crossed economic lines.

There’s no real way to put the genie back in the bottle. 
Americans are struggling to maintain their lifestyles. 
Well off people still feel like they’re underwater bc of healthcare and college costs. Poor folks are straight f’d. Lower class and working poor can’t catch a brake. 
Everyone is in debt on their house or credit card or student loans or that car or the payday lender who has your car title.

Parenting demands 100% of your focus when you’re not at work 45-50 hrs / week and when not commuting which is another 5-10 hrs away.

So there it is folks.

Outside of a breaking point we are left in the cold. One side doubles down on racism and xenophobia to distract from their policies the just go to enrich them further.

And the democrats focus on the rules and play by a script that has been out of date since Obama and requires someone of his generational skill much like bill clinton to win.

Any normal person or Biden character needs damn near a nuclear disaster (and Obama kind of needed that too as well as Clinton and the recession) to win bc the party or normalcy is full of ‘woke pussies’ who make the others feel bad about hating their fellow man and waiting on their Christian bank-shot of an eternity of bliss.

 

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