What Went Wrong With Young Men

[G650 14,229]

Well, we all said it was a conversation to have. I think the time is here.

[Frank Drebin 5,654]

Nothing.  They just help save the country.

[immamac 42,832]

What went wrong with white women? 

[DixonHur 11,292]

What, no love for Hispanics?

[Frank Drebin 5,654]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

What went wrong with white women? 

Maybe they got tired of their sons, fathers, husbands, and brothers being shit on by woke leftists?  I know plenty that feel that way in my circle.  

[G650 14,229]

Just now, Frank Drebin said:

Maybe they got tired of their sons, fathers, husbands, and brothers being shit on by woke leftists?

I've never been shit on by woke leftists.

[kevwun 15,757]

I'm gonna sit back and enjoy watching all of them reap the whirlwind.  It will be one of the few things that brings me joy.  Pain is the only thing that will make them comprehend just what they have done.

Edited November 6 by kevwun

[LTbear 4,168]

Republicans have poured billions into courting their vote for the last decade and Democrats have spent little to no money on them.

I think that's about it. 

[Biff Tannen 45,661]

1 minute ago, G650 said:

I've never been shit on by woke leftists.

Me neither. Weird. 

[Frank Drebin 5,654]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

Me neither. Weird. 

You're one of them.  An ally.

[Helobious 9,459]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

Maybe they got tired of their sons, fathers, husbands, and brothers being shit on by woke leftists?  I know plenty that feel that way in my circle.  

If people here are mentally weak enough to get their feelings hurt that much by a small group of blue-haired people online we truly are fucked. 

[RabidM 2,666]

Their propaganda machine is too effective. Social media makes it too easy to radicalize people. 

[G650 14,229]

Just now, LTbear said:

Republicans have poured billions into courting their vote for the last decade and Democrats have spent little to no money on them.

I think that's about it. 

 

No, it's more than that. There is something deeply wrong. They are falling behind in attainment compared to women, rates of depression are through the roof, general failure to launch. It's an issue that's been lurking for quite some time.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

A lot of them are having a hard time finding their place in the world.  The good paying jobs are not good enough to payoff student debt, a mortgage, or start a family.  The job market is also incredibly dehumanizing.  You have to chain yourself to a shitty job just to get decent healthcare.  It not great when you wake up realizing your labor has been mostly to payoff banks instead of building wealth like the previous generations did by pulling up the bootstraps.  There’s a sad hopelessness that the American dream is forever out of reach for young men and it would take a strongman sent by god to correct course.  A decent education is also becoming increasingly unaffordable and possibly useless in the economy ahead. 

Edited November 6 by Hugo Stiglitz

[cabowabo 4,484]

5 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

What, no love for Hispanics?

They got my love.

https://www.newsweek.com/starr-county-texas-most-hispanic-county-donald-trump-1981230

[Frank Drebin 5,654]

Just now, Helobious said:

If people here are mentally weak enough to get their feelings hurt that much by a small group of blue-haired people online we truly are fucked. 

It's more than that.  It's the media.  Hollywood.  Corporate and academic DEI departments and initiatives.  Whether you think it's overblown or not, that's how a lot of people feel.

I personally feel that the miscarriage care shit is way overblown and not caused by the abortion laws (after actually reading them and there exceptions for health of mother) but instead is caused by pretty clear medical malpractice.  But I am not going to convince pro choice women of that.

[jimmyjazz 45,877]

6 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Maybe they got tired of their sons, fathers, husbands, and brothers being shit on by woke leftists?  I know plenty that feel that way in my circle.  

Oh, the aggrieved white male demographic.  Go fuck yourself.

[DigglerontheHoof 21,168]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

It's more than that.  It's the media.  Hollywood.  Corporate and academic DEI departments and initiatives.  Whether you think it's overblown or not, that's how a lot of people feel.

I personally feel that the miscarriage care shit is way overblown and not caused by the abortion laws (after actually reading them and there exceptions for health of mother) but instead is caused by pretty clear medical malpractice.  But I am not going to convince pro choice women of that.

Fucking snowflakes.  Goddamnit you're a pussy. 

[Frank Drebin 5,654]

3 minutes ago, G650 said:

 

No, it's more than that. There is something deeply wrong. They are falling behind in attainment compared to women, rates of depression are through the roof, general failure to launch. It's an issue that's been lurking for quite some time.

Is that really true?  Seems like women have more mental issues (and especially liberal women but that's another topic).

 

[David Dennison 18,837]

12 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Nothing.  They just help save the country.

LOL.

You're funny.

[Helobious 9,459]

2 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

It's more than that.  It's the media.  Hollywood.  Corporate and academic DEI departments and initiatives.  Whether you think it's overblown or not, that's how a lot of people feel.

Very true. People love to feel like they’re victims of something, young males are no exception.

[DigglerontheHoof 21,168]

Young men sound like pussies, to me. 

Hell, most of them don't even know how to drive or talk to women.  

We're a nation of Charlie Kirks. 

Edited November 6 by DigglerontheHoof

[Frank Drebin 5,654]

Just now, DigglerontheHoof said:

Young men sound like pussies, to me. 

They need a tough guy like you to tell them that.

[DigglerontheHoof 21,168]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

They need a tough guy like you to tell them that.

I have and will continue to do so.  

[Biff Tannen 45,661]

9 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

You're one of them.  An ally.

Oh. Oh I see. 

[hornmpa96 2,618]

5 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

It's more than that.  It's the media.  Hollywood.  Corporate and academic DEI departments and initiatives.  Whether you think it's overblown or not, that's how a lot of people feel.

I personally feel that the miscarriage care shit is way overblown and not caused by the abortion laws (after actually reading them and there exceptions for health of mother) but instead is caused by pretty clear medical malpractice.  But I am not going to convince pro choice women of that.

You don’t think Ken Paxton threatening to prosecute doctors performing emergency abortions doesn’t have an impact on what doctors are willing to do.

You live in fucking Fantasy Land.

[aggie08 21,481]

What happened? Something I have front row experience with: victimhood and neverending grievance.

[G650 14,229]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

A lot of them are having a hard time finding their place in the world.  The good paying jobs are not good enough to payoff student debt, a mortgage, or start a family.  The job market is also incredibly dehumanizing.  You have to chain yourself to a shitty job just to get decent healthcare.  It not great when you wake up realizing you labor has been mostly to payoff banks instead of building wealth like the previous generations did by pulling up the bootstraps.  There’s a sad hopelessness that the American dream is forever out of reach for young men and it would take a strongman sent by god to correct course.  A decent education is also becoming increasingly unaffordable and possibly useless in the economy ahead. 

 

Here's the thing though, none of that remotely mattered to me when I was that age, or practically anyone I knew. Our self worth was defined in so many other different ways. Hell, as an 18 year old 90% of my thought was how do I get laid and how much booze can I drink. 9% was playing guitar and 1% was making sure I had enough money to support the previous goals.

 

The way young guys are wholly unable to relate to women now is just baffling to me. I talk to younger women all the time, they haven't really changed much. The guys have. The whole incel phenomenon is real and I still can't comprehend it.

[Biff Tannen 45,661]

8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

A lot of them are having a hard time finding their place in the world.  The good paying jobs are not good enough to payoff student debt, a mortgage, or start a family.  The job market is also incredibly dehumanizing.  You have to chain yourself to a shitty job just to get decent healthcare.  It not great when you wake up realizing you labor has been mostly to payoff banks instead of building wealth like the previous generations did by pulling up the bootstraps.  There’s a sad hopelessness that the American dream is forever out of reach for young men and it would take a strongman sent by god to correct course.  A decent education is also becoming increasingly unaffordable and possibly useless in the economy ahead. 

This is actually spot fucking on. 

7 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

It's more than that.  It's the media.  Hollywood.  Corporate and academic DEI departments and initiatives.  Whether you think it's overblown or not, that's how a lot of people feel.

I personally feel that the miscarriage care shit is way overblown and not caused by the abortion laws (after actually reading them and there exceptions for health of mother) but instead is caused by pretty clear medical malpractice.  But I am not going to convince pro choice women of that.

Holy. Shit. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21,168]

9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

A lot of them are having a hard time finding their place in the world.  The good paying jobs are not good enough to payoff student debt, a mortgage, or start a family.  The job market is also incredibly dehumanizing.  You have to chain yourself to a shitty job just to get decent healthcare.  It not great when you wake up realizing you labor has been mostly to payoff banks instead of building wealth like the previous generations did by pulling up the bootstraps.  There’s a sad hopelessness that the American dream is forever out of reach for young men and it would take a strongman sent by god to correct course.  A decent education is also becoming increasingly unaffordable and possibly useless in the economy ahead. 

One thing's for sure, trump policies will make all of these issues so much better for them. 

[Hank Kingsley 20,903]

To genuinely try to answer, without being in that age group anymore and not knowing exactly how their lives our being led in the modern world: 

 - Economic/job anxiety: Career/financial expectations have risen over the years but met with a tightened job market which is causing a lot of anxiety

- I'd guess relationships with women have deteriorated rapidly. In the 80s/90s/00s, being around similarly aged women was common place. Connections were common. Now in the modern world of social media and an increase in public disconnection, those relationships are dwindling. And anger is setting in. 

- These younger generations have been coddled and helicopter parented, which diminishes personal accountability. 

 

[G650 14,229]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

To genuinely try to answer, without being in that age group anymore and not knowing exactly how their lives our being led in the modern world: 

 - Economic/job anxiety: Career/financial expectations have risen over the years but met with a tightened job market which is causing a lot of anxiety

- I'd guess relationships with women have deteriorated rapidly. In the 80s/90s/00s, being around similarly aged women was common place. Connections were common. Now in the modern world of social media and an increase in public disconnection, those relationships are dwindling. And anger is setting in. 

- These younger generations have been coddled and helicopter parented, which diminishes personal accountability. 

 

I think the second two very much have a part

[Firemans4Horn 18,034]

Scott Galloway has spent a lot of time looking into it

[Hank Kingsley 20,903]

For us olds, imagine only having dating apps as a realistic possibility to date someone (post HS/college) and the understandable frustration that would come with that. And all the Instagram bullshit that poisons all of their minds. 

It won't happen, but there needs to be an intentional decision by society to turn back the clock and force social activities back into people's lives again. The phones are killing us. 

 

[PRONG HORN 3,128]

20 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Maybe they got tired of their sons, fathers, husbands, and brothers being shit on by woke leftists?  I know plenty that feel that way in my circle.  

 

 

From MSNBC.  Pull the slider to  @ 1:00

 

 

 

[G650 14,229]

5 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Scott Galloway has spent a lot of time looking into it

Yeah this isn't some new thing, and specific to this election or anything. It's been going on a awhile.

[G650 14,229]

5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

For us olds, imagine only having dating apps as a realistic possibility to date someone (post HS/college)

It isn't though? See a girl at a bar, talk to her. This isn't that complicated.

[vicerous 169]

Plain English had a great episode on this a few weeks ago.

 

[Hank Kingsley 20,903]

2 minutes ago, G650 said:

It isn't though? See a girl at a bar, talk to her. This isn't that complicated.

Are they participating in this rite of passage the way we used to in our 20s? I don't know.  I doubt it though. There are too many distractions/deterrents to being social now. 

 

 

Edited November 6 by Hank Kingsley

[G650 14,229]

Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

Are they participating in this rite of passage the way we used to in our 20s? I don't know.  I doubt it though. 

 

No, they aren't, that's what I'm saying. Why not is the question.

 

Crosspost from the election thread by @chainsaw, but this is the kind of thing that is baffling to me.

 

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Here's the problem I see with Gen Alpha, Gen Z, and Millennial men: there's no way to change them. They are driven by entitlement. The have been force-fed propaganda about how they're failures unless they have trad wives and nuclear family to rule over. This has fundamentally changed who they are deep down and what their values are.

 

What 18 year old male wants those things? That seems face meltingly insane to me.

[RomaVicta 29,892]

19 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

It's more than that.  It's the media.  Hollywood.  Corporate and academic DEI departments and initiatives.  Whether you think it's overblown or not, that's how a lot of people feel.

I personally feel that the miscarriage care shit is way overblown and not caused by the abortion laws (after actually reading them and there exceptions for health of mother) but instead is caused by pretty clear medical malpractice.  But I am not going to convince pro choice women of that.

It's the media.  Hollywood. Really? What the fuck are you talking about? They're a prized demographic. Media includes talk radio. Are you suggesting that Rogan plus the conservative whine shows don't pander the demographic? You hear a lot of liberal intellectual woke-ism on sports programming? You think the glut of comic book movies look down on white males?

Without using the pick and choose method of anecdotal "argument," your case is idiotic.

DEI initiatives? Yes, there are weaklings who blame that for tossing a fly in their punchbowl of opportunity. Let's keep that shit all to our own snowy white asses.

Trying being men rather than entitled, pandered males scared of the queens and the blacks and those deadly families fleeing Nicaragua to gratefully take menial jobs here.

I'm an older white male, and I look down on the angry weaklings who wanted things to be easier for them than anyone else. I twice lost promotions due to affirmative action. I thought that my parent's generation fought WW2 as a sacrifice for their country, so me missing a promotion to involve women and minorities in the world that had been closed to them was a pretty easy sacrifice.

I knew I'd get other opportunities. I got to feel kind of good about being a citizen. The grievance-oriented will laugh, of course. I'll look down on that, too.

[Frank Drebin 5,654]

Just now, RomaVicta said:

It's the media.  Hollywood. Really? What the fuck are you talking about? They're a prized demographic. Media includes talk radio. Are you suggesting that Rogan plus the conservative whine shows don't pander the demographic? You hear a lot of liberal intellectual woke-ism on sports programming? You think the glut of comic book movies look down on white males?

Without using the pick and choose method of anecdotal "argument," your case is idiotic.

DEI initiatives? Yes, there are weaklings who blame that for tossing a fly in their punchbowl of opportunity. Let's keep that shit all to our own snowy white asses.

Trying being men rather than entitled, pandered males scared of the queens and the blacks and those deadly families fleeing Nicaragua to gratefully take menial jobs here.

I'm an older white male, and I look down on the angry weaklings who wanted things to be easier for them than anyone else. I twice lost promotions due to affirmative action. I thought that my parent's generation fought WW2 as a sacrifice for their country, so me missing a promotion to involve women and minorities in the world that had been closed to them was a pretty easy sacrifice.

I knew I'd get other opportunities. I got to feel kind of good about being a citizen. The grievance-oriented will laugh, of course. I'll look down on that, too.

Your political party is entirely grievance oriented.

[ztejas 43,411]

We're becoming transhuman and it's flipping a lot of traditional roles and values on their heads. If we even make it it's going to be a bumpy transition because it's happening too quickly. 

I think that coupled with single males not having enough money to spend on women let alone have kids explains about 99% of it. 

Also all of their genders and sexualities are weirdly and artificially (imo) fucked up. Which I'm fine with from a human rights perspective but I'm not sure it's healthy or optimal for a functioning society. 

[SimonBolivar 10,957]

36 minutes ago, G650 said:

I've never been shit on by woke leftists.

You have to pay extra for that

[Hank Kingsley 20,903]

6 minutes ago, G650 said:

No, they aren't, that's what I'm saying. Why not is the question.

Well when I was going out all the time in my 20s, social media didn't exist. Texting/FaceTiming didn't exist. I couldn't see hot single ladies on my phone. I couldn't go online and play video games with friends all night (thank god). You wanna hang with friends and talk to girls? You had to go out somewhere.

There was nothing else to do BUT be social.  They are losing human connection, which we all desperately need to function well. 

Edited November 6 by Hank Kingsley

[RomaVicta 29,892]

2 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Your political party is entirely grievance oriented.

Powerful. 

"No! You!"

[G650 14,229]

Just now, SimonBolivar said:

You have to pay extra for that

Not in Germany

[MissingInAction 25,002]

Why won't she touch my pee pee?!?!

It must be her fault!

Fucking dickless losers 

[Muny_Tex 293]

Maybe positioning AOC, Nancy Pelosi, Michelle Obama, and Taylor Swift as the face of the party does not resonate with young (non gay) men.

[G650 14,229]

2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I think that coupled with single males not having enough money to spend on women let alone have kids explains about 99% of it. 

Another point that is brought up that stupifies me. What 18 year old dude wants to have fucking kids. It's like the single outcome you avoid at all costs.