What Went Wrong With Young Men

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Also, I need to point out that all this deep analysis about how schools and government and corporations and women and society is stacked against young men and working to against them—- you’ve basically reinvented systemic racism and CRT from first principles except for men.  
 

And that’s not to dismiss some super real and acute ways we fail boys. And men. But also women. And gay people. And minorities.  So maybe start with some fucking empathy and an attitude of helping yourself and each other. 

Bingo. 

[linux 1660]

Just now, David Dennison said:

This sounds to people outside of the bubble like the left wing version of Q Anon.

Just sayin'.

Why? did you not pay attention during Jan 6? Trump never wants to leave the white house ever again, he can only do that by ignoring term limits, which we will allow (SCOTUS), then running a fake election where he is guaranteed victory.

The biggest thing about P2025 is how all guardrails are to be dismantled, that is the point.

[David Dennison 18837]

Just now, linux said:

Why? did you not pay attention during Jan 6? Trump never wants to leave the white house ever again, he can only do that by ignoring term limits, which we will allow (SCOTUS), then running a fake election where he is guaranteed victory.

The biggest thing about P2025 is how all guardrails are to be dismantled, that is the point.

I know you believe that, but the vast majority of the country isn't buying it. At all. Not even a little.

Just know that.

[TKthunder2 4985]

13 minutes ago, linux said:

That Biden and Kamala had info on this and did not repeat to the top of their lungs that there would never be a draft, over their dead body would there even be troops on the ground, is such a god damn mortifying fail. I want off this ride of incompetence.

Easy answer to this is to end mandatory selective service. Seems like an outdated concept anyways.

[David Dennison 18837]

2 minutes ago, linux said:

Why? did you not pay attention during Jan 6? Trump never wants to leave the white house ever again, he can only do that by ignoring term limits, which we will allow (SCOTUS), then running a fake election where he is guaranteed victory.

The biggest thing about P2025 is how all guardrails are to be dismantled, that is the point.

Also, if you know anything about Washington, nearly every member of Congress secretly believes he or she can be president one day. Term limits mean they no longer have to compete against Donald Trump. I think most Republicans who aspire to higher office will welcome his departure.

[Nivek 16916]

Stupidity was something people felt embarrassed by. Now it is celebrated unironically.

The failures of our founding fathers is ever present, because they could not imagine a more willfully stupid population, and their only safeguard was to limit voting to select members of society.

[linux 1660]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Also, if you know anything about Washington, nearly every member of Congress secretly believes he or she can be president one day. Term limits mean they no longer have to compete against Donald Trump. I think most Republicans who aspire to higher office will welcome his departure.

Sure, we are all secularly praying for him to go senile, I would gladly take a Trump that forgets what he is doing, something we freaked the fuck out about Biden when even a lawnchair is better than both.

We are praying for a medical miracle though.

[aggie08 21481]

2 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Yes.  They all produced the same dogshit willfully to avoid being the outlier.  Polls don’t lose credibility by being wrong the exact same as everyone else.

How much money did you make betting on the obvious blowout that you saw coming?

[G650 14229]

8 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

 

I do realize that doesn’t message test well. Part of what (used to) be an (unrealized) ideal of American masculinity is telling yourself hard truths that aren’t popular.

I will say the loss of this has been the hardest pill for me to swallow. The Republicans have normalized being emotionally weak while overcompensating with hate and bluster.

[956 Worldwide 34695]

8 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I had numerous conversations with people where they expressed concerns about a draft and I genuinely had no idea what they were talking about. Guess it makes sense now.

This loops back into online incel/MRA culture.  They really get excised over the idea that they have to register for the selective service.  

[Macklemore 2876]

Gen Z and X saved America

 

[Incredulity 11643]

9 hours ago, aggie08 said:

How much money did you make betting on the obvious blowout that you saw coming?

Where did I make the claim it was obvious?

[DaysOff 7943]

Stupidity was something people felt embarrassed by. Now it is celebrated unironically.

The failures of our founding fathers is ever present, because they could not imagine a more willfully stupid population, and their only safeguard was to limit voting to select members of society.

The whole point of electors was to save the unwashed masses from themselves. 200 years ago, no elector would cast his vote for a bafoon like Trump regardless of how his district voted. Fortunately or unfortunately, faithless electors never became a thing.

[TwiceHorn 31433]

11 hours ago, Incredulity said:

It happens in any silo’d community.  Reading is fundamental and shit

Well, it so happens that many posters that come into CR with "opposing viewpoints" are pretty seriously ill-informed.  And when that is exposed, they run away crying.

I'll give you credit, you don't run away and your takes are often less ill-informed than the average right wing drive-by poster and more a matter of actual opinion formed mostly on the basis of facts.

[TwiceHorn 31433]

And, if CR is "siloed," it's because we are informed mostly by factual sources.  We tend to stay away from the right-wing social media that it has been pointed out is rampant.

Trump himself I don't think effectively carried his message to anyone.  Harris may not have been very effective with hers, but had to be light years ahead of Trump, as far as personally delivered messaging.

What makes up the difference there?  Social media.  What are young men knee deep in?  Social media.

Also, in addition to the various things affecting/afflicting young men, they're immature as shit and always have been.  And that's why they're unreliable voters.

[aggie08 21481]

20 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Where did I make the claim it was obvious?

Ah, ok. So we're biased and siloed because we couldn't see this coming, but you had no idea either. Got it. Pretty sure nearly everyone in the "MSM" was predicting a close race (yes, because no pollsters wants to be too wrong), including Fox News. No one would have been "shocked" by a close Trump win.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, it so happens that many posters that come into CR with "opposing viewpoints" are pretty seriously ill-informed.  And when that is exposed, they run away crying.

I'll give you credit, you don't run away and your takes are often less ill-informed than the average right wing drive-by poster and more a matter of actual opinion formed mostly on the basis of facts.

This shithole is ill informed.  Four years of pee tapes and Russia collusion lapped up by dipshits.  Trump is a Russian asset.  The embarrassing election predictions. Reeing about Nazis and Fascists.  
 

Fucking dorks.  Again. This is Texags politics. Just the other side of the coin.  

[David Dennison 18837]

46 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Gen Z and X saved America

 

LOL at "saved America."

 

[Incredulity 11643]

1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

Ah, ok. So we're biased and siloed because we couldn't see this coming, but you had no idea either.

Yes.  I had no idea because I’ve given up following politics daily.  I try to stay informed and vote, but I’m not investing my personal happiness or mental well being in stuff I can’t remotely control.

Take the last several weeks of this election for example.  Debt/defict, Ukraine, Israel/Gaza, Immigration…all topics that should have been focused on and debated.  Nope they spent weeks arguing over who called who trash/garbage.  Its literally like a 5th grade student body president race.
 

 

[G650 14229]

You are right about that, but we are straying off topic.

[TwiceHorn 31433]

4 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

This shithole is ill informed.  Four years of pee tapes and Russia collusion lapped up by dipshits.  Trump is a Russian asset.  The embarrassing election predictions. Reeing about Nazis and Fascists.  
 

Fucking dorks.  Again. This is Texags politics. Just the other side of the coin.  

Pee tapes were a joke on here after about mid-2017.  CR also accepted that outright collusion was unprovable.  But Russian influence is real and always has been and Trump has been the beneficiary of it, wittingly or not.  Fucking Hugo was right about that.

 

[Incredulity 11643]

22 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Pee tapes were a joke on here after about mid-2017.  CR also accepted that outright collusion was unprovable

My fucking lord, you are dead wrong.  Holy shit this is something else.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

Just now, Incredulity said:

My fucking lord, you are dead wrong.  Holy shit this is something else.

It's called gaslighting.  They should be embarrassed about the Russian collusion shit and Hugo getting 10s of thousands of rep attaboys from their circle jerk.  But nope, they just say it really did not happen.  These people are too far gone.

[TwiceHorn 31433]

1 hour ago, Macklemore said:

Gen Z and X saved America

 

My point about young men being extremely immature, in data.  All this fancy psychologizing aside, like frats on their worst days, young men will herd together to pick on someone and this is a "trend" that precedes all the other trends.  A Trumpian message that it's someone else's fault and we're going to get revenge on them plays really well with young men.

Possibly the real question is that young men, when the herd dissolves, don't do much of anything on their own, including hating others, so why did they vote this time?

[TwiceHorn 31433]

7 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

It's called gaslighting.  They should be embarrassed about the Russian collusion shit and Hugo getting 10s of thousands of rep attaboys from their circle jerk.  But nope, they just say it really did not happen.  These people are too far gone.

The Hugo thread has been dead as fuck for years.  

[aggie08 21481]

Gotta love being lectured on our sources and how far gone we are by someone who has "End Wokeness" and "Libs of TikTok" bookmarked. 

Chastising us about Russia while they ingest actual paid Russian propaganda. 

Good shit.

 

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

11 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Based on some of the posters on this board, what is wrong with young men are their parents. If a young man has hateful parents who blame everyone else for their lot in life, chances are, the apple isn't going to fall far from the tree. Sorry, but that is where we are.

 

 

 

 

Sure, but these young men are far less successful overall than their parents. And their sisters are more successful. 

[Frank Drebin 5654]

8 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Gotta love being lectured on our sources and how far gone we are by someone who has "End Wokeness" and "Libs of TikTok" bookmarked. 

Chastising us about Russia while they ingest actual paid Russian propaganda. 

Good shit.

 

I'd hate libs of tik tok too if I was a leftist.  Cockroaches hate when the lights are turned on them.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

Just now, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

Sure, but these young men are far less successful overall than their parents. And their sisters are more successful. 

So there is no longer a gender wage gap?  Cool.

Salary by Age and Gender in the U.S.

Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Table with 5 columns and 7 rows.

Age	Female Median Annual Wage	Female Median Hourly Wage	Male Median Annual Wage	Male Median Average Hourly Wage
16 to 19 years old	$31,096	$14.95	$32,188	$15.48
20 to 24 years old	$36,504	$17.55	$40,612	$19.53
25 to 34 years old	$50,440	$24.25	$56,420	$27.13
35 to 44 years old	$57,824	$27.80	$69,108	$33.23
45 to 54 years old	$57,096	$27.45	$72,228	$34.73
55 to 64 years old	$54,288	$26.10	$72,436	$34.83
65 years and older	$48,152	$23.15	$62,400	$30.00

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

1 hour ago, Macklemore said:

Gen Z and X saved America

 

It tracks with me that a generation of do-nothing losers and their dipshit kids voted for Trump.

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

2 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

So there is no longer a gender wage gap?  Cool.

Salary by Age and Gender in the U.S.

Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Table with 5 columns and 7 rows.

Age	Female Median Annual Wage	Female Median Hourly Wage	Male Median Annual Wage	Male Median Average Hourly Wage
16 to 19 years old	$31,096	$14.95	$32,188	$15.48
20 to 24 years old	$36,504	$17.55	$40,612	$19.53
25 to 34 years old	$50,440	$24.25	$56,420	$27.13
35 to 44 years old	$57,824	$27.80	$69,108	$33.23
45 to 54 years old	$57,096	$27.45	$72,228	$34.73
55 to 64 years old	$54,288	$26.10	$72,436	$34.83
65 years and older	$48,152	$23.15	$62,400	$30.00

These people are in their 20s. Give it another decade and that gap will disappear.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

Just now, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

These people are in their 20s. Give it another decade and that gap will disappear.

If you say so.

[tigol 2395]

Kamala’s campaign specifically didn’t speak to men. When presented with an opportunity to make a case why men should vote for her, she talked about women’s issues and told men they should be supportive of women. Who is attracted to being told your job is to be a bit player in someone else’s story?  Humans each have their own story and they all want to be the protagonist of that story  Ego is pretty universal  
 

No shit. Try being a woman.

[Gil Bang 25907]

3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Pee tapes were a joke on here after about mid-2017.  CR also accepted that outright collusion was unprovable.  But Russian influence is real and always has been and Trump has been the beneficiary of it, wittingly or not.  Fucking Hugo was right about that.

 

Hell, the russians  were making bomb threats at polling places two days ago!

[MissingInAction 25002]

6 hours ago, Macklemore said:

Gen Z and X saved America

 

I suggest you learn how to grow potatoes so you have something to eat in the camps.

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

2 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

I suggest you learn how to grow potatoes so you have something to eat in the camps.

[GenXer 2850]

On 11/6/2024 at 11:12 AM, G650 said:

It isn't though? See a girl at a bar, talk to her. This isn't that complicated.

If I was single in austin and wanted to meet girls, I’d volunteer for the ASPCA and go to south congress. I’d bring my dog or bring one from the local shelter for a day out. 

This gives you a great day with your dog, a great reason to initiate a conversation, and demonstrates that you’re a nice person.

Back in the day, we actually had to be creative to meet girls.

[Underdog 28544]

Dr. Galloway was back on Smerconish this morning and pretty much nailed it in regard to Trump zeroing in on young male voters with messaging, podcasts and such think he called it a Testosterone campaign. 

[RDCanecutter 26377]

On 11/6/2024 at 10:43 AM, Frank Drebin said:

Maybe they got tired of their sons, fathers, husbands, and brothers being shit on by woke athletic leftists? 

Because shitting on a halfway-healthy man is not for the weak. You've got to stay calm while they get close, then LEAP up on them simultaneously dropping pants to start shitting, then it's bucking bronco time once they feel that hot juicy sploo running down their neck, and every now and then you get a real fighter who grabs for the nads, so you gotta twist and turn to evade that while maintaining a disciplined aiming point for the chunky blast.

You've got to give it your all, and if you can't, maybe you're better off typing snark for the NYT.

[workswithseed 2086]

6 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Because shitting on a halfway-healthy man is not for the weak. You've got to stay calm while they get close, then LEAP up on them simultaneously dropping pants to start shitting, then it's bucking bronco time once they feel that hot juicy sploo running down their neck, and every now and then you get a real fighter who grabs for the nads, so you gotta twist and turn to evade that while maintaining a disciplined aiming point for the chunky blast.

You've got to give it your all, and if you can't, maybe you're better off typing snark for the NYT.

[RDCanecutter 26377]

3 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

SEED! I thought you was dead. Where you been?

[workswithseed 2086]

Got married, had a baby, and bought a house. Not much else.

[David Dennison 18837]

5 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Got married, had a baby, and bought a house. Not much else.

In this economy???

[workswithseed 2086]

Just now, David Dennison said:

In this economy???

I figured if you don't at any point you won't at any point. 

[Biff Tannen 45661]

[mdmost 42997]

I figured workswithseed had been killed in an Antifa riot. Welcome back to the land of the living. 

Edited November 9 by mdmost

[workswithseed 2086]

5 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I figured workswithseed had been killed in an Antifa riot. Welcome back to the land of the living. 

First, I asked them to a spelling contest, somehow I won. 

Thanks, been abit.

[StassneyHorn 6573]

1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

Got married, had a baby, and bought a house. Not much else.

Hell yea man, what a successful 4 years for you man. I’m happy you had all these great life achievements and made huge strides in your last 4 years.

[StassneyHorn 6573]

Now that I think of it, this thread is assuming what we all might mean by young men? 

What’s a man? What’s young?

Edited November 10 by StassneyHorn

[gmr548 16575]

2 hours ago, workswithseed said:

Got married, had a baby, and bought a house. Not much else.

Congrats. I have to ask: what went through your mind after logging off Surly for years and doing all this real life stuff, then watching Trump win the election, that ultimately led to "I should log in to Surly Horns and go straight to the politics board"?