Non-partisan "Fuck the Status Quo" Thread of Dominance

[RomaVicta 29775]

Hyperbole, I guess, but:

 

A criminal is in charge of the government and he intends to dismantle the republic. Oh, and likely rob the republic, too.

Truce feels too much like surrender. I'm not happy about that, but there it is.

[JBJ 3648]

I support the sentiment of this thread, but it never lasts. There's a handful of posters glaringly missing from this board right now, and an influx of non-partisan posters that make the discussion tolerable right now.

But it won't last.  The 24/7 news cycle will run out of actual things to discuss, and the only people who will care enough on a regular basis to post are the extreme partisans.  This is just the way things are.

[Don Johnson 4745]

23 minutes ago, G650 said:

So in all honesty, I think this is a bit too convenient an excuse in toto. Is it part of it? Yeah, absolutely. But it's not all of it. I fully believe that it's purposeless and ennui that is the real driver. By any metric thinkable, people are better off than 40 years ago. Health outcomes (which are now reversing the past few years because of idiotic choices), you name it. Comfort has never existed for humans at the level it does now. The Cold War went away, existential questions faded. And people were left with a life that closely resembles the people in Wall-E.

 

We used to socially engineer purpose by default, because everything required manpower, social institutions were almost compulsory, you had to have interactions for everything because it couldn't happen online etc..., but now, not so much. People who are intrinsically driven and have a strong sense of self have coped fine, but the other half hasn't.

We definitely lack purpose in this country and leads for many to try and manufacture causes worth fighting for.

[Hank Kingsley 20678]

5 minutes ago, JBJ said:

I support the sentiment of this thread, but it never lasts. There's a handful of posters glaringly missing from this board right now, and an influx of non-partisan posters that make the discussion tolerable right now.

But it won't last.  The 24/7 news cycle will run out of actual things to discuss, and the only people who will care enough on a regular basis to post are the extreme partisans.  This is just the way things are.

Well, hopefully the vitriol can be contained on all the other threads. I'm willing to listen to you, JBJ. 

 

[hobbes2702 12799]

17 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I just can't wrap my head around the idea that state rights is a good idea with abortion. Determining personal freedoms based on where you or your parents live seems absolutely ridiculous to me. It forces people to move away from where they WANTED to be, and the long term affects of that type of migration will split this country apart even further. 

It’s not just abortion. It’s about the right to privacy and determining your own healthcare choices. 

[Brisketexan 104557]

Just now, Vegas64 said:

You seem to be very thoughtful in the posts I've seen the last couple of days.

I think you are on to something.

I think what many are dismissing or ignorant of, is the massive shift that our lifestyles and world writ large, will have once AGI, Agentic AI, etc. is fully realized. Yang was ahead of his time with the idea of the Freedom Divident / UBI. There won't be enough pro-social (value-giving, identity-giving, self-actualizing, etc.) work for Americans in a post-labor economics society that we are barreling towards.

Yet we're doing nothing to prepare for ANY of that.  Well, the oligarch class is.  They are WAY out in front of the rest of us.  They are going to make out like bandits.

The rest of us?

We're being played against each other, by those oligarchs.  And I mean all of the oligarchs, globally.  Musk, Thiel, Putin, the Adelsons, the Murdochs, all of them.  A whole lot of this bullshit:

Except it's not just foreigners.  It's a game of pitting half of us against the other half, and yes, I damned well think that one side is MUCH more responsible for that than the other, although I freely admit to the tone-deafness from elements of the left and the ptifalls of identity politics there, among others.

But I'll never get over watching half the country gleefully rush headlong into the arms of oligarchs to save them from.....the shit that oligarchs have wrought and have promised to do.  

So, my attitude is indeed much more neutral these days.  This path is what we want.  Cool.  Fuck 'em all.  You want sympathy from me, hard leftists who sat out because you didn't think Kamala was hard left enough on Gaza?  Watch me give zero shits when Bibi carpet bombs your family into pink mist, with Trump's blessing.  Lower middle class, freaking out about the same inflation that the whole world suffered?  Don't come crying to me when foolish tariff policies and the devastation of the primary labor force in the food and construction industries causes inflation to spike again.  Shut up and eat your $20 chicken.

I'll be fine, most likely.  Shit, the top percentages are probably going to do pretty well, riding the oligarch coattails and whatnot.  So, we've asked for the path we're on.  Let's walk it.  I don't really give a fuck what happens to anyone else but me and mine.  That's our new American ethos.  I choose to embrace it instead of fighting it any longer.  When my fellow Americans suffer because of the choices they made, I shouldn't spend an ounce of energy worrying about them, or thinking of ways to systemically make things better and working for those.  I should do one thing, and one thing only: get mine.

I think that's the thing we can all agree on now, right?

[G650 14086]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

But I'll never get over watching half the country gleefully rush headlong into the arms of oligarchs to save them from.....the shit that oligarchs have wrought and have promised to do.  

 

This is by far the most insane thing to me. The government is the only thing with enough power to protect you from these guys, and you hand the keys over to them? Inconceivable.

 

 

[BurntEyes 5825]

10 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Because lobbying is legal

Right.. but was there any concernted effort on the part of any Democrat group (or otherwise) to press the issue regarding the food cost increase and responsible parties during the election cycle to either candidate? 

Did it turn out this was a major factor in the election? 

I'd argue it was and that nobody, at all, called out the reality for the most part left the ill informed voters to make a choice. Existing or new. Problem = fix in their minds. 

So... what's the fix. Funding 3rd party marketing efforts to bring it to the forefront during the election cycles. Make them address the issue. It doesn't fix it long term but it's at least a starting point. I'm not saying my idea is the best or right one... but at least it's an idea.

[David Dennison 18651]

31 minutes ago, G650 said:

 

Runnin' through these
Caverns of gold
Runs a river of death indeed
An old hotel serves as a
Shelter for children
Of the street

Abandoned by the promised land
Set sail on your own
How much longer
Will the well
Be dry for those
Who roam

I got a ticket in my pocket
To send the corner man he's never been
Have you ever seen the Blue Ridge Mountains, boy?
Or the Chattahoochee or the Honeysuckle blue?

[Ghost of Shag 2578]

55 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I don't vote for Republicans. Ever. For anything.

Done.

This is the kind of open-mindedness that will get us somewhere.

[David Dennison 18651]

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

But I'll never get over watching half the country gleefully rush headlong into the arms of oligarchs to save them from.....the shit that oligarchs have wrought and have promised to do.  

That's how unpopular Joe Biden is. 

It's not much more complicated than that.

[Brisketexan 104557]

Just now, David Dennison said:

That's how unpopular Joe Biden is. 

It's not much more complicated than that.

I don't disagree.

And I've watched this phenomenon crop up in American politics my whole life.  "I don't like the way things are.  I want a huge change.  Hey, shooting my own dick clean off is a big change, let's do that!"  I almost always understand the desire to change course.  I'll never understand the desire to pick a course that is plainly destructive.  But we do it over and over and over, in both political directions, so obviously it's an irrepressible element of human nature.

Which I no longer give a shit about.  Nobody else is worth my time or energy or give a shit.  If you want to touch the hot stove, burn your hand to the bone, and die when it goes septic.....good for you.  Choices have consequences.  Oh, and if those choices hurt other people, which they most certainly will.....fuck 'em too.  I've tried to care.  I've tried to live a life that gives a shit about them.  It has made no difference.  It will never make a difference.

Humans will be selfish and cruel, and will always hurt the weakest and most vulnerable, smiling and laughing triumphantly as we do so.  So, get on with it.

[Hookah Horns 3073]

I'll never understand people voting for a guy who's clearly committed crimes against the united states and plays footsy with or is in bed with one of our enemies while saying vile shit constantly. Not sure how much is stupidity vs evil, and honestly don't really care. I resent the shit out of them either way. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21052]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

I don't disagree.

And I've watched this phenomenon crop up in American politics my whole life.  "I don't like the way things are.  I want a huge change.  Hey, shooting my own dick clean off is a big change, let's do that!"  I almost always understand the desire to change course.  I'll never understand the desire to pick a course that is plainly destructive.  But we do it over and over and over, in both political directions, so obviously it's an irrepressible element of human nature.

Which I no longer give a shit about.  Nobody else is worth my time or energy or give a shit.  If you want to touch the hot stove, burn your hand to the bone, and die when it goes septic.....good for you.  Choices have consequences.  Oh, and if those choices hurt other people, which they most certainly will.....fuck 'em too.  I've tried to care.  I've tried to live a life that gives a shit about them.  It has made no difference.  It will never make a difference.

Humans will be selfish and cruel, and will always hurt the weakest and most vulnerable, smiling and laughing triumphantly as we do so.  So, get on with it.

The only good thing about dotard getting elected again will be watching his cult's FO stage.  

I'm going to enjoy it much more than I should.

[Hank Kingsley 20678]

Can we all agree that it's absolutely ridiculous that Congresspeople can own/trade stocks while in office? WHAT THE FUCK???

I know Pelosi is a god to diehard Dems, and I can appreciate that she plays the political game very well. But how the fuck can people sit there and read articles about her buying NVIDIA stock and not find that shit 100% unacceptable. It's a huge issue within both parties. 

I've said for a while now that we should significantly increase the salaries of people in Congress with the caveat that they dump any stocks before taking office. Pay Senators 500k a year. Give'em a million, I don't give a shit. The increased $$$ is peanuts, and I think it's good to incentive thoughtful and ambitious people to enter government instead of just heading to the private sector.  I'm good with them being very secure financially. Just eliminate their ability to be influenced or paid off by corporations and other entities.  FUCK. 

[Willfully Horn 7913]

Truces don’t work when one side will not agree to work together on issues on which there is cross the aisle agreement.

[Vegas64 663]

24 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

So, we've asked for the path we're on.  Let's walk it.  I don't really give a fuck what happens to anyone else but me and mine.  That's our new American ethos.  I choose to embrace it instead of fighting it any longer.  When my fellow Americans suffer because of the choices they made, I shouldn't spend an ounce of energy worrying about them, or thinking of ways to systemically make things better and working for those.  I should do one thing, and one thing only: get mine.

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Nobody else is worth my time or energy or give a shit.  If you want to touch the hot stove, burn your hand to the bone, and die when it goes septic.....good for you.  Choices have consequences.  Oh, and if those choices hurt other people, which they most certainly will.....fuck 'em too.  I've tried to care.  I've tried to live a life that gives a shit about them.  It has made no difference.  It will never make a difference.

You are giving up. You are "if you can't beat them; join them" if your post is serious.

I think you are just needing time to process and it's an emotion you are expressing, but if you really are resigned, this is a sad indictment and reflects poorly on you IMO.

Edited November 7 by Vegas64

[Macanudo 12925]

Searching Mark Kelly on Twitter did not return the desired result.

[hobbes2702 12799]

11 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Truces don’t work when one side will not agree to work together on issues on which there is cross the aisle agreement.

This is also so clearly true. Dems have tried to cross the aisle on several issues and pubs refused to contribute. Thats where we are. Pubs will not pass legislation that potentially helps the other side 

[Pancho 44454]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

So how do we get abortion numbers down?

I think sex education is important. Why are we pretending we can shield kids from this stuff when modern technology literally guides us to porn? It's just openly posted on Twitter at this point. If you were to type in  "Mark Kelly" in the search button , there's a decent chance that if you scroll down you'll see a video of some dude name Mark fucking a girl named Kelly in the ass. It's ridiculous. 

 

 

The research shows that an increase in sex education in schools plus access to things like birth control and condoms (through things like planned parenthood and other outlets) lead to a direct decrease in abortions in America.

 

Republicans took sex education out of schools and are going after planned parenthood because of *checks notes* abortion. 

 

So the very thing they want—less abortions—they are fighting all of the tools to lead to that because….

[Brisketexan 104557]

11 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

You are giving up. You are "if you can't beat them; join them" if your post is serious.

I think you are just needing time to process and it's an emotion you are expressing, but if you really are resigned, this is a sad indictment and reflects poorly on you IMO.

Oh, no doubt.  It reflects very poorly on me.  I am a shitty human being.

In other words, I am a great American.  I embrace it.

ME.  That's what matters.  I've lived plenty of life.  I've spent a lot of energy, time, and money working to help other people.  Enough of that shit.  I'm in the ME years.  I want to bank some more money.  Set my kids up to be secure.  Have fun and great experiences with my wife and my friends.  Celebrate me.  Other people in this country want and need stuff?  Fuck 'em.  I got mine.  I am going full-on, 100% New American:

 

[Brisketexan 104557]

3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

The research shows that an increase in sex education in schools plus access to things like birth control and condoms (through things like planned parenthood and other outlets) lead to a direct decrease in abortions in America.

 

Republicans took sex education out of schools and are going after planned parenthood because of *checks notes* abortion. 

 

So the very thing they want—less abortions—they are fighting all of the tools to lead to that because….

Fuck em.  They've chosen a path that is actually leading to MORE abortions.  Great, I celebrate that.  All the FA, they get all the FO.

As a bonus, their path is killing women!  Great!  The more suffering, the better.  See, the suffering tells you that the policies are working.

More suffering.  More.

Let's.  Fucking.  Do this.

[David Dennison 18651]

24 minutes ago, Ghost of Shag said:

This is the kind of open-mindedness that will get us somewhere.

Power gets you somewhere in politics. I simply don't want Republicans to have that power. 

[Vegas64 663]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Oh, no doubt.  It reflects very poorly on me.  I am a shitty human being.

In other words, I am a great American.  I embrace it.

ME.  That's what matters.  I've lived plenty of life.  I've spent a lot of energy, time, and money working to help other people.  Enough of that shit.  I'm in the ME years.  I want to bank some more money.  Set my kids up to be secure.  Have fun and great experiences with my wife and my friends.  Celebrate me.  Other people in this country want and need stuff?  Fuck 'em.  I got mine.  I am going full-on, 100% New American:

 

I get the catharsis and emotional release this must have for you right now. I think in days/weeks/months you will come to cringe at yourself and these words once you've cooled down. 

[InkaUtexas 25496]

1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

Welcome to my world. 

Sitting in the middle is hard. I have a really hard time working with clients. They tend to be far right or far left. I have learned to keep my thoughts to myself and call good friends and bitch about Texas football. Try it, seems to work.

Back to the truce. I am in.

[David Dennison 18651]

7 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

This is also so clearly true. Dems have tried to cross the aisle on several issues and pubs refused to contribute. Thats where we are. Pubs will not pass legislation that potentially helps the other side 

Say what you want about Mitch McConnell, but what he did blocking the Merrick Garland nomination for the Supreme Court was a master class in power.

[Brisketexan 104557]

Just now, Vegas64 said:

I get the catharsis and emotional release this must have for you right now. I think in days/weeks/months you will come to cringe at yourself and these words once you've cooled down. 

Nope.

I've done my time.  I've paid my dues.  I've expended my efforts.

Mostly for naught, by the way.

Fuck it.  It's me time.  And if you think I'm alone, I spent dinner last night with my minister wife who fundamentally agrees.  It's the only path to any inner peace.  Caring about other people when they are bent on the 1-2 plan of 1) hurting everyone else, and 2) hurting themselves, is a wasteful and exhausting effort.  So, cut that shit out.

It's every man for himself.  Play the game by the rules have been established.  Only a fool would do otherwise.

[Celery Man 20882]

29 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

That's how unpopular Joe Biden is. 

It's not much more complicated than that.

Joe Biden is, for a politician, about as likable as it gets. Describing this as not much more complicated than his unlikability papers over that any other person filling the role of Democratic Leader would and will be made to be at least as unlikeable. It’s not a function of how unlikeable the person is.

[Brisketexan 104557]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Say what you want about Mitch McConnell, but what he did blocking the Merrick Garland nomination for the Supreme Court was a master class in power.

Yep.  You either play by those rules (that is....no rules, just win, at any and all costs), or GTFO.

I'm here to win.  For me.

[Hank Kingsley 20678]

10 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

The research shows that an increase in sex education in schools plus access to things like birth control and condoms (through things like planned parenthood and other outlets) lead to a direct decrease in abortions in America.

 

Republicans took sex education out of schools and are going after planned parenthood because of *checks notes* abortion. 

 

So the very thing they want—less abortions—they are fighting all of the tools to lead to that because….

My question to Republican friends on here...care to chime in on this? If you want fewer abortions in this country, do you agree with the above being one of the acceptable solutions? 

 

[Macanudo 12925]

Over under on how long Brisket can keep this "Me, me, me" trope going?  1 day?  2?

Edited November 7 by Macanudo

[Willfully Horn 7913]

8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

My question to Republican friends on here...care to chime in on this? If you want fewer abortions in this country, do you agree with the above being one of the acceptable solutions? 

 

Even if Surly Rs do agree, it won’t mean shit. There are many issues with broad support among the masses. Because these posters elected politicians for whom working togather, for the common good, went out with Gingrich.

Issues like immgration, as we recently learned, once again. Abortion is another issue. As is sensible sex education (I assume.) So is weed. These things have strong majority support.

Compromise is not how minority rule works.

Edited November 7 by Willfully Horn

[Hank Kingsley 20678]

1 minute ago, Willfully Horn said:

Even if Surly Rs do agree, it won’t mean shit. There are many issues with broad support among the masses. Because these posters elected politicians for whom working togather, for the common good, went out with Gingrich.

issues like immgration, as we recently learned, once again. Abortion is another issue. As is sensible sex education (I assume.) So is weed. These things have strong majority support.

Compromise is not how minority rule works.

The goal here is just to start a conversation and go from there. Politicians are gonna politic. This thread isn't about them, it's about us. 

 

[Brisketexan 104557]

5 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Over under on how long Brisket can keep this "Me, me, me" trope going?  1 day?  2?

How long have I been on the Ledge?  Yeah.  Don't doubt my commitment to a position.

Here's your quick answer on our electoral position, based on Pew research.  This is the #1 question that drove the voting divide:

Would you say that most of the time people try to help others or just look out for themselves? Do you think most people would try to take advantage of you if they got the chance or would try to be fair no matter what? 

People more likely to answer that question "yes/would take advantage of you" were significantly more inclined to vote Trumpish.  And the second part is clear as well -- they THINK that of others, because that's how THEY view the world.  

They've won.  We have defined our ethos, stated plainly above: 1) Just look out for yourself.  2) Take advantage of others if you get the chance.

We might as well engrave those on all the monuments.  The are who we are.  Those are our DEFINING beliefs.  Don't take my word for it.  That's what the American people actually said, and they voted accordingly.  Accept the will of the people, amigos.  Don't fight against the tide.  Ride the wave. 

[Macanudo 12925]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

How long have I been on the Ledge?  Yeah.  Don't doubt my commitment to a position.

Here's your quick answer on our electoral position, based on Pew research.  This is the #1 question that drove the voting divide:

Would you say that most of the time people try to help others or just look out for themselves? Do you think most people would try to take advantage of you if they got the chance or would try to be fair no matter what? 

People more likely to answer that question "yes/would take advantage of you" were significantly more inclined to vote Trumpish.  And the second part is clear as well -- they THINK that of others, because that's how THEY view the world.  

They've won.  We have defined our ethos, stated plainly above: 1) Just look out for yourself.  2) Take advantage of others if you get the chance.

We might as well engrave those on all the monuments.  The are who we are.  Those are our DEFINING beliefs.  Don't take my word for it.  That's what the American people actually said, and they voted accordingly.  Accept the will of the people, amigos.  Don't fight against the tide.  Ride the wave. 

I agree with you about those people.   I just know some of us can't and aren't like that. Do I care about me and my family first and foremost?  A resounding yes.  Do I care about others and take care not to take advantage of them?  Again, yes.  Do I try and help others who are not as fortunate as I am.  Yes.

And so do you.

[Brisketexan 104557]

4 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Do I care about others and take care not to take advantage of them?  Again, yes.  Do I try and help others who are not as fortunate as I am.  Yes.

You should stop that.

That is energy, time, money, and resources that you could dedicate to what is important. To the ONLY thing that is important: you and yours.

I've been right about this shit for a long, long time, and you know I have been.  So listen to me now.  Do everything for your family.  And nothing for anyone else.

[InkaUtexas 25496]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

You should stop that.

That is energy, time, money, and resources that you could dedicate to what is important. To the ONLY thing that is important: you and yours.

I've been right about this shit for a long, long time, and you know I have been.  So listen to me now.  Do everything for your family.  And nothing for anyone else.

Bullshit. You, and only you, have to look in the mirror every morning. Do I like the person I see?

For me that means I do think and worry about others. Selfish is a shitty way to go through life.

That is my litmus test.

Back to the Truce. I will work with others if their goal is to discuss solutions vs. cramming it down other's throats. If you are coming to the meeting, better have a solution. If it is wrong, we can white the board clean and work together.

 

[yoladu 4066]

i think if somehow everyone could agree on what the truth is and what is fact and what is fiction, a lot of the vitriol would melt away.

I dont have a solution, but i think that is a key ingredient in where we are today. We cant even agree on what is true.

[Brisketexan 104557]

2 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

You, and only you, have to look in the mirror every morning. Do I like the person I see?

The person I will see will have more money to do nice things with my wife.  Good vacations.  Great meals.  Giving advantages to our kids.

I'm going to feel great.  I'll be unburdened by giving a shit about anyone else.  It already feels quite liberating.

2 minutes ago, yoladu said:

i think if somehow everyone could agree on what the truth is and what is fact and what is fiction, a lot of the vitriol would melt away.

I dont have a solution, but i think that is a key ingredient in where we are today. We cant even agree on what is true.

Who gives a shit?  It doesn't matter anymore.  Truth is whatever I say it is.  The ship of "can we agree on the truth" has sailed, been blown to bits, and rests in shards at the bottom of the marianas trench.

[WinningIsHard 4016]

30 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Nope.

I've done my time.  I've paid my dues.  I've expended my efforts.

Mostly for naught, by the way.

Fuck it.  It's me time.  And if you think I'm alone, I spent dinner last night with my minister wife who fundamentally agrees.  It's the only path to any inner peace.  Caring about other people when they are bent on the 1-2 plan of 1) hurting everyone else, and 2) hurting themselves, is a wasteful and exhausting effort.  So, cut that shit out.

It's every man for himself.  Play the game by the rules have been established.  Only a fool would do otherwise.

Jesus would be considered a fool then....in order to save us from ourselves. He used broken people to create testimonies that have endured thousands of years. I get the anger man, but don't stop trying for these brief moments on earth and lose for eternity. Fight the good fight, run your race, and the rest will take care of itself. 

[Pimphand 5594]

It's remarkable the amount of control the elohim worship cult exerts on their slaves as evidenced by this thread.

[bolverk 29397]

49 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

The research shows that an increase in sex education in schools plus access to things like birth control and condoms (through things like planned parenthood and other outlets) lead to a direct decrease in abortions in America.

 

Republicans took sex education out of schools and are going after planned parenthood because of *checks notes* abortion. 

 

So the very thing they want—less abortions—they are fighting all of the tools to lead to that because….

...their concern is not really about abortion. It's always been about controlling women.

[Brisketexan 104557]

1 minute ago, WinningIsHard said:

Jesus would be considered a fool then

He was.

The Gospel is garbage.  Platitudes that the supposed champions of, "Christians," disdain at an "oil and water don't mix" level.

Let me give you a snippet of the rational perspective on that.  At our church, each Sunday a member has come forward and shared their "faith story."  They've ranged in topic, from how you came to faith, how you practice it, what it has meant to you.  I thought about what mine would be.  And it kept coming back to "service," and how that's been ingrained in me and my family.  How my son called me a couple of days after the war in Ukraine started, and how he was going to go help (and he ended up staying in Berlin, feeding fleeing families).  How we loaded up a truck and trailer of supplies and went to Houston to help after Harvey, before the water had even all receded.  How that had been ingrained in me by my education in faith over my life.

But looking at that rationally.....for what?  Ukraine will fall.  Those people are fucked.  Houston?  There will be more, and worse hurricanes.  There will not be resources to help the victims -- the private sector will not be interested and will be sheltered from any obligations, and the government....well, fuck that socialist shit.  Those are the outcomes we've chosen. Why in the blue fuck have I or my family spent ANY of our energy fighting against the things that humanity so desperately wants?  That's how we want it to be.  So.....let people have what they want, and get out of their way.

Jesus was a sucker.  Don't be a sucker.

[InkaUtexas 25496]

9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The person I will see will have more money to do nice things with my wife.  Good vacations.  Great meals.  Giving advantages to our kids.

I'm going to feel great.  I'll be unburdened by giving a shit about anyone else.  It already feels quite liberating.

Who gives a shit?  It doesn't matter anymore.  Truth is whatever I say it is.  The ship of "can we agree on the truth" has sailed, been blown to bits, and rests in shards at the bottom of the marianas trench.

Sure.... Sounds like someone who wants to take their ball and go home.

I am up against some shit. I am not quitting. If I will apply that to my personnel and professional life there is no way in hell I won't apply that to my views.

[Pimphand 5594]

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[TexEx15 17456]

Before I’m willing to move on to good faith policy discussions, I need everyone who voted for Trump to admit one thing. You have sold out and abandoned any character or integrity you may have once had. There are a lot of folks that will claim the lesser of two evils blah blah blah. Bullshit. You didn’t like Harris for whatever reason. That’s fine. Just know you also flushed your character when you pulled that lever for Trump. You have forever lost any moral high ground you might have thought you had in exchange for attaching yourself to that POS. Look normal elections are about policy. This one was much more than that and that’s why it stings the way it does.

SO, if you are willing to admit you traded your integrity and character for a “win” then we can start talking about a truce and healing. Until then you are as oblivious as you were the minute you cast your vote.

[Frank Drebin 5616]

2 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Before I’m willing to move on to good faith policy discussions, I need everyone who voted for Trump to admit one thing. You have sold out and abandoned any character or integrity you may have once had. There are a lot of folks that will claim the lesser of two evils blah blah blah. Bullshit. You didn’t like Harris for whatever reason. That’s fine. Just know you also flushed your character when you pulled that lever for Trump. You have forever lost any moral high ground you might have thought you had in exchange for attaching yourself to that POS. Look normal elections are about policy. This one was much more than that and that’s why it stings the way it does.

SO, if you are willing to admit you traded your integrity and character for a “win” then we can start talking about a truce and healing. Until then you are as oblivious as you were the minute you cast your vote.

You guys say the same shit about every GOP president in my lifetime.  Both Bush's and Romney were racists and misogynists.  McCain was going to put black people back in chains.  Your slurs and allegations have lost all meaning.  We don't give a fuck.  It's the same shit no matter who we run.  It will be for the next GOP candidate too.  Boy who cried wolf.

[G650 14086]

5 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Before I’m willing to move on to good faith policy discussions, I need everyone who voted for Trump to admit one thing. You have sold out and abandoned any character or integrity you may have once had. There are a lot of folks that will claim the lesser of two evils blah blah blah. Bullshit. You didn’t like Harris for whatever reason. That’s fine. Just know you also flushed your character when you pulled that lever for Trump. You have forever lost any moral high ground you might have thought you had in exchange for attaching yourself to that POS. Look normal elections are about policy. This one was much more than that and that’s why it stings the way it does.

SO, if you are willing to admit you traded your integrity and character for a “win” then we can start talking about a truce and healing. Until then you are as oblivious as you were the minute you cast your vote.

Yep

[Hank Kingsley 20678]

8 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Before I’m willing to move on to good faith policy discussions, I need everyone who voted for Trump to admit one thing. You have sold out and abandoned any character or integrity you may have once had. There are a lot of folks that will claim the lesser of two evils blah blah blah. Bullshit. You didn’t like Harris for whatever reason. That’s fine. Just know you also flushed your character when you pulled that lever for Trump. You have forever lost any moral high ground you might have thought you had in exchange for attaching yourself to that POS. Look normal elections are about policy. This one was much more than that and that’s why it stings the way it does.

SO, if you are willing to admit you traded your integrity and character for a “win” then we can start talking about a truce and healing. Until then you are as oblivious as you were the minute you cast your vote.

 

3 minutes ago, G650 said:

Yep

[Macklemore 2871]

58 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

My question to Republican friends on here...care to chime in on this? If you want fewer abortions in this country, do you agree with the above being one of the acceptable solutions? 

 

Sex education limited to the basics we were taught or an expanded curriculum including hotly contested culture war topics? I have no issue with the former. 

Edited November 7 by Macklemore