Non-partisan "Fuck the Status Quo" Thread of Dominance

[Sawbonz 27,418]

26 minutes ago, immamac said:

Wait you mean you are mandated to do that by federal law? 

Title 8 U.S.C. § 1324a(a)(1)(A) makes it unlawful for any person or other entity to hire, recruit, or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an alien knowing the alien is an unauthorized alien, as defined in subsection 1324a(h)(3).

Subsection 1324a(2) makes it unlawful for any person or entity, after hiring an alien for employment, to continue to employ the alien in the United States knowing the alien is or has become an unauthorized alien with respect to such employment.

Subsection 1324a(f) provides that any person or entity that engages in a "pattern or practice" of violations of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2) shall be fined not more than $3000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both. The legislative history indicates that "a pattern or practice" of violations is to be given a commonsense rather than overly technical meaning, and must evidence regular, repeated and intentional activities, but does not include isolated, sporadic or accidental acts. H.R.Rep. No. 99-682, Part 3, 99th Cong., 2d Sess. (1986), p. 59. See 8 C.F.R. § 274a.1(k).A scheme for civil enforcement of the requirements of §  1324a through injunctions and monetary penalties is set forth in § 1324a(e) and § 1324a(f)(2).

In addition, 18 U.S.C. § 1546(b) makes it a felony offense to use a false identification document, or misuse a real one, for the purpose of satisfying the employment verification provisions in 8 U.S.C. §  1324a(b).

That’s a lot of legalize can you bold the 10 year felony part?

[Brisketexan 104,585]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

Can we ban brisket from this thread? He’s ruining whatever minuscule chance there is for talking. 

I'll bail.  Have at it.  Have your pointless conversation. Just put a sticky note at the top that says "I hate you all," or something like that.

There we go, found it:

 

Happy Thursday!

[Hank Kingsley 20,680]

6 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Well you’re going to have to expand on that.  You’re saying Democrats didn’t have and didn’t think they would have in the future support from Latinos?

Not saying that. But they've had trouble finding a message to get consistent support. I think the major flip in this election confirms that problem. 

 

[CTC2 2,744]

For me, I don’t think the fence can be mended.  My anger comes not from policy but how I can’t understand why people are so willingly able to turn over their future to a guy who has none of the character traits that I thought we valued as a country.  The idea that anyone can be President is the offshoot of this craziness that “I’m not going to believe scientists and do my own research” type crap. We have a problem valuing expertise and we are about to experience the impact of that. 
It is true that I don’t agree with GOP policies in general, but I can set that aside. 
May main problem with my fellow Americans is that while they are willing to take a chance on their future with Trump, I am not.  I cannot understand how anyone would feel like he was in this to improve their lives.   Even in my own life, I find that the Trump supporters are typically very low information voters and either have the wrong information or none at all. 
We are going to experience some things over the next four years.  I’m taking the Red Hat approach that I am going protect me and mine and I can’t worry about anything else because I am powerless to change it. 
I’m super resentful that this is where things are. 
Trump and the people that will surround him are not good people. They are there for power and grift.  How people don’t care more about that is beyond me. 
I can’t forgive it. We have the greatest country and economy in the world and to take a chance like this is reckless and irresponsible.  After all, 40% of NC voted for the nazi porn guy. WTF is wrong with us?

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,093]

How about we actually adhere to the separation of church and state? I hear @gsoda3 talk about his religion and Frank Drebin declare from the rooftops about his, but not every American is a Christian. And using religion to dictate policy infringes on the rights of everyone that doesn't attend your church. I have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It doesn't say only Catholics or Christians. So get religion out of the govt.

I will lose friends and family over this election, and I'm completely ok with that. But that is because I REFUSE to remain silent in the face of hypocrisy and stupidity any longer.

 

Edited November 7 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[The Original Greaser Bob 2,790]

8 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I sense this is probably not gonna work out, but wanted to try to start a discussion thread about our overall politics, culture, issues, and the upcoming Trump term in good faith.

I guess I may be misinterpreting this thread, because to me the critical language is the highlighted language.  Thus, I thought our discussions were going to assume that the Dems were going to have NO chance of doing anything in their traditional playbook, and this entire thread would be about discussing things during a Truce with that in mind.  

Thus, in Carton's policy thoughts above, I thought the only thing that would be relevant to this thread was regarding manufacturing, because none of the other proposals have a chance in hell.  Truce or no truce. 

Although IMO quadratic voting would solve all of our problems and make all our dreams come true. 

[BevoAbyss 2,057]

Hey, look:

It's a thread where everyone can kumbaya themselves to the fact that they are living in a Christian Misogynist Fascist Nation-State. 

Lulz. 

Brisket and I (and some others) warned y'all of this.

 

[hornmpa96 2,598]

27 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I'll add another one. A company that performs massive layoffs shouldn't be allowed to perform stock buybacks. FUcking at all. What Google did was criminal this past year. If you lay off some massive percentage of your workforce you should be able to do stock buybacks for like 10 fucking years. 

I don’t have any insight into the Google situation specifically; however, Google is a massive business with many different segments/operations. Let’s assume a business has 2 different segments: one is wildly profitable and the other is losing money.

Should the business be allowed to layoff people in the nonprofitable operation? Are they required to keep those people forever and siphon the profits from the first business to paying those in the loser?

Stock buybacks are consistently viewed as some terrible aspect of corporate America today. From my perspective, buybacks are merely an indication that the Company generates more cash flow than it can invest in other opportunities profitably. Occasionally buybacks are abused and the Company ends up taking on debt which can have negative repercussions. 

It’s just another way to return cash to shareholders. Are dividends bad?

I’ve worked in and around Fortune 1000 companies for my entire career. Almost every organization has some level of fat which can be trimmed. 

[Incredulity 11,563]

5 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

Hey, look:

It's a thread where everyone can kumbaya themselves to the fact that they are living in a Christian Misogynist Fascist Nation-State. 

Lulz. 

Brisket and I (and some others) warned y'all of this.

 

[The Original Greaser Bob 2,790]

5 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

Brisket and I (and some others) warned y'all of this.

Yeah, but you should have also wanted us that you might act like bitches if our side lost.

 

[Hank Kingsley 20,680]

4 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

I guess I may be misinterpreting this thread, because to me the critical language is the highlighted language.  Thus, I thought our discussions were going to assume that the Dems were going to have NO chance of doing anything in their traditional playbook, and this entire thread would be about discussing things during a Truce with that in mind.  

Thus, in Carton's policy thoughts above, I thought the only thing that would be relevant to this thread was regarding manufacturing, because none of the other proposals have a chance in hell.  Truce or no truce. 

Although IMO quadratic voting would solve all of our problems and make all our dreams come true. 

That was not my intention. The hope for this thread also included a place to have civil, ongoing discussion after Trump takes office. Not that people couldn't challenge ideas or policies that could be enacted during his upcoming administration. 

Truce was probably a poor word choice. I'd like to have a place where we can discuss things with the temperature turned down. 

 

 

[yoladu 4,066]

4 hours ago, turtlepond said:

I'm conservative.  My wife is Jewish, and conservative.  Conflating all conservatives as Nazis and garbage too out any chance of me coming to the table in the sake of Truce.

So, I assumed you voted for a Conservative. Who did you write in?

[Incredulity 11,563]

11 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

That was not my intention. The hope for this thread also included a place to have civil, ongoing discussion after Trump takes office. Not that people couldn't challenge ideas or policies that could be enacted during his upcoming administration. 

Truce was probably a poor word choice. I'd like to have a place where we can discuss things with the temperature turned down. 

 

 

I’ll do my part.

I won’t devolve to name calling or gotchas or other nonsense. In this thread.

I could have struck a better tone in my first post in the thread.  My bad, mea culpa.

edit** and I will ignore(not respond) to posts like BA above 

Edited November 7 by Incredulity

[gsoda3 3,236]

19 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

How about we actually adhere to the separation of church and state? I hear @gsoda3 talk about his religion and Frank Drebin declare from the rooftops about his, but not every American is a Christian. And using religion to dictate policy infringes on the rights of everyone that doesn't attend your church. I have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It doesn't say only Catholics or Christians. So get religion out of the govt.

I will lose friends and family over this election, and I'm completely ok with that. But that is because I REFUSE to remain silent in the face of hypocrisy and stupidity any longer.

 

Everyone has a moral compass.  How do you separate an opinion from the framework of your morality? That's what you're asking for but only for the religious. 

[JBJ 3,649]

32 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

That’s a lot of legalize can you bold the 10 year felony part?

In practice, there is fuck all you can do if someone passes their I-9.

[Frank Drebin 5,621]

Just now, JBJ said:

In practice, there is fuck all you can do if someone passes their I-9.

Unless you want to get popped by the EEOC or invite a lawsuit for national origin discrimination.

There should be a better way.  And employers who turn a blind eye should be punished.  Maybe there could be a bipartisan effort here.

[Sawbonz 27,418]

Just now, JBJ said:

In practice, there is fuck all you can do if someone passes their I-9.

You saying e-verify doesn’t work?

[BurntEyes 5,831]

6 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The goal here is just to start a conversation and go from there. Politicians are gonna politic. This thread isn't about them, it's about us. 

 

This. Truly this.

I get it. A lot here hate the state of our reality.

There are threads upon threads to vent and yell at clouds.

If someone isn't providing a suggestion on how to address or create change given the current reality... 

They aren't contributing, they're venting.

I'm hoping for discussion. I've already made some suggestions. Hasn't been much discussion on how to improve or alternatives to my suggestions. 

I'm listening too. Tell me why my suggestions won't work, but offer alternatives. 

Tell me ways to improve my plans. Think about ways to convince others not of your mindset nor mine to alter the path they're on.

 

[JBJ 3,649]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

You saying e-verify doesn’t work?

It's certainly better, but you can't use it to screen employees.  Then, there's such a lengthy appeals process that illegals game it.

[Sawbonz 27,418]

Just now, JBJ said:

It's certainly better, but you can't use it to screen employees.  Then, there's such a lengthy appeals process that illegals game it.

It’s also not mandatory. I wonder why

[BurntEyes 5,831]

6 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Unless you want to get popped by the EEOC or invite a lawsuit for national origin discrimination.

There should be a better way.  And employers who turn a blind eye should be punished.  Maybe there could be a bipartisan effort here.

What's a better way? I'm admitting i don't have a suggestion but I'd like to be educated or at least hear your suggestions and why they might work.

[BurntEyes 5,831]

38 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

How about we actually adhere to the separation of church and state? I hear @gsoda3 talk about his religion and Frank Drebin declare from the rooftops about his, but not every American is a Christian. And using religion to dictate policy infringes on the rights of everyone that doesn't attend your church. I have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It doesn't say only Catholics or Christians. So get religion out of the govt.

I will lose friends and family over this election, and I'm completely ok with that. But that is because I REFUSE to remain silent in the face of hypocrisy and stupidity any longer.

 

What are your suggestions, beyond ending relationships with friends and family, about how to approach and address the situation. What specific issue would you like to first suggest resolution to a path forward for changing mindset? What's your plan? What do you think will work? 

If it's just give up, and blow off strangers, family and friends who think differently than you, how is that going to help? 

[JBJ 3,649]

3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

It’s also not mandatory. I wonder why

It's mandatory to do business on a lot of state contracts.  And it's an all-in thing.  You have to use it on every employee or none at all.

If I had to guess more employers get fines for using E-Verify incorrectly than do for hiring illegally.

[Sawbonz 27,418]

Just now, JBJ said:

It's mandatory to do business on a lot of state contracts.  And it's an all-in thing.  You have to use it on every employee or none at all.

If I had to guess more employers get fines for using E-Verify incorrectly than do for hiring illegally.

And that’s got nothing to do with what I’m talking about. Implement a 10 year felony for violating the law and they will find a way to not violate the law.

[Born to Run 6,567]

37 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

For me, I don’t think the fence can be mended.  My anger comes not from policy but how I can’t understand why people are so willingly able to turn over their future to a guy who has none of the character traits that I thought we valued as a country.  The idea that anyone can be President is the offshoot of this craziness that “I’m not going to believe scientists and do my own research” type crap. We have a problem valuing expertise and we are about to experience the impact of that. 
It is true that I don’t agree with GOP policies in general, but I can set that aside. 
May main problem with my fellow Americans is that while they are willing to take a chance on their future with Trump, I am not.  I cannot understand how anyone would feel like he was in this to improve their lives.   Even in my own life, I find that the Trump supporters are typically very low information voters and either have the wrong information or none at all. 
We are going to experience some things over the next four years.  I’m taking the Red Hat approach that I am going protect me and mine and I can’t worry about anything else because I am powerless to change it. 
I’m super resentful that this is where things are. 
Trump and the people that will surround him are not good people. They are there for power and grift.  How people don’t care more about that is beyond me. 
I can’t forgive it. We have the greatest country and economy in the world and to take a chance like this is reckless and irresponsible.  After all, 40% of NC voted for the nazi porn guy. WTF is wrong with us?

This my exact feeling to roll the dice for That guy.

And to look your female friends or gay friends in the eye and just boldly state "fuck your feelings."

Its mean, cruel, shallow and selfish. 

I'm doing a project for two wonderful lesbians who both give back with thier careers and through volunteering to help Texans everyday and Texans loudly said Fuck You.

[Frank Drebin 5,621]

5 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

What's a better way? I'm admitting i don't have a suggestion but I'd like to be educated or at least hear your suggestions and why they might work.

Honestly, I don’t know.  Some sort of national ID that has a bar code.  Swipe it and it says whether you’re eligible to work.  
 

Could also be tied to voter reg and firearm purchase eligibility.  
 

It seems like this shouldn’t be hard 

[JBJ 3,649]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

And that’s got nothing to do with what I’m talking about. Implement a 10 year felony for violating the law and they will find a way to not violate the law.

I'm telling you that employers don't have the tools to enforce this.  It'd be impractical to make it a strict liability law and ineffective otherwise.

[Frank Drebin 5,621]

1 minute ago, Born to Run said:

This my exact feeling to roll the dice for That guy.

And to look your female friends or gay friends in the eye and just boldly state "fuck your feelings."

Its mean, cruel, shallow and selfish. 

I'm doing a project for two wonderful lesbians who both give back with thier careers and through volunteering to help Texans everyday and Texans loudly said Fuck You.

What do you think Trump is going to do to your lesbian friends?  I’m genuinely interested.  

[Iceman 2,639]

1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

How many rounds of layoffs have you had in those 30 years?

Pretty much every other year in the past 8-10 or so.  Like the example up thread though, net, net, we have added a ton of jobs through the years.  Our layoffs also tend not to touch frontline employees unless the actual facility is being closed.  Our layoffs tend to be upstream and cutting the fat, in all honesty.  We are extremely growth driven and productivity is part of that.

My deal as an employee is that we've known the landscape this long, so if it gets scary, then jump and people do.

I don't expect loyalty either way.  I do the work.  Keep sending the checks.

Edited November 7 by Iceman

[David Dennison 18,655]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

Honestly, I don’t know.  Some sort of national ID that has a bar code.  Swipe it and it says whether you’re eligible to work.  
 

Could also be tied to voter reg and firearm purchase eligibility.  
 

It seems like this shouldn’t be hard 

A conservative in favor of a national ID?

Now I've seen everything.

You mean a national ID for everyone, right? 

[Sawbonz 27,418]

Just now, JBJ said:

I'm telling you that employers don't have the tools to enforce this.  It'd be impractical to make it a strict liability law and ineffective otherwise.

So you’re telling me that a nationwide mandatory e verification program wouldn’t work? That seems pretty implausible 

[Iceman 2,639]

3 minutes ago, JBJ said:

I'm telling you that employers don't have the tools to enforce this.  It'd be impractical to make it a strict liability law and ineffective otherwise.

If you don't have an active I-9 and documentation of citizenship/ Visa, you aren't working where I do.  Period.

[JBJ 3,649]

4 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

So you’re telling me that a nationwide mandatory e verification program wouldn’t work? That seems pretty implausible 

E-Verify matches the TIN/SSN with the name and that's about it. National Photo ID would help because E-verify does face-matching, but not often.   

The most effective thing in my experience to get rid of an illegal worker is to send them to a project in Arizona.

Edited November 7 by JBJ

[G650 14,100]

50 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

For me, I don’t think the fence can be mended.  My anger comes not from policy but how I can’t understand why people are so willingly able to turn over their future to a guy who has none of the character traits that I thought we valued as a country.  The idea that anyone can be President is the offshoot of this craziness that “I’m not going to believe scientists and do my own research” type crap. We have a problem valuing expertise and we are about to experience the impact of that. 
It is true that I don’t agree with GOP policies in general, but I can set that aside. 
May main problem with my fellow Americans is that while they are willing to take a chance on their future with Trump, I am not.  I cannot understand how anyone would feel like he was in this to improve their lives.   Even in my own life, I find that the Trump supporters are typically very low information voters and either have the wrong information or none at all. 
We are going to experience some things over the next four years.  I’m taking the Red Hat approach that I am going protect me and mine and I can’t worry about anything else because I am powerless to change it. 
I’m super resentful that this is where things are. 
Trump and the people that will surround him are not good people. They are there for power and grift.  How people don’t care more about that is beyond me. 
I can’t forgive it. We have the greatest country and economy in the world and to take a chance like this is reckless and irresponsible.  After all, 40% of NC voted for the nazi porn guy. WTF is wrong with us?

Yep

[Michael Knight 12,888]

Oh boy here we go again with "both sides" Democrats argue with each other all the fucking time and seldom agree on anything. Republicans are the united party groupthink that follow one leader. It's why we keep losing elections

[Frank Drebin 5,621]

Just now, David Dennison said:

A conservative in favor of a national ID?

Now I've seen everything.

You mean a national ID for everyone, right? 

Yes.  One ID.  Free at your local post office.  With a picture.  Tied to various databases. 
 

Must be presented to vote.  And for employment. And to buy a firearm.  Swipe for eligibility. 
 

And states like AZ and NV need to get their shit together on elections. What’s happening is absurd.  Change laws to follow states that have their shit together.  Could you imagine if the election turned on Arizona and we had to wait two weeks?  It’s ridiculous.  

[BurntEyes 5,831]

7 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Honestly, I don’t know.  Some sort of national ID that has a bar code.  Swipe it and it says whether you’re eligible to work.  
 

Could also be tied to voter reg and firearm purchase eligibility.  
 

It seems like this shouldn’t be hard 

I guess my stupid question is why not tie it into a drivers license? Expand that, which is admittedly a state level, but the Fed required new aspects for travel. Is that an option that could work?

Would random checks simply asking for a DL by Federal authorities align?

Just spitballing ideas, but it seems that might be an easy add on. They're required for firearm purchase and the Federal check already.

[Michael Knight 12,888]

52 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

For me, I don’t think the fence can be mended.  My anger comes not from policy but how I can’t understand why people are so willingly able to turn over their future to a guy who has none of the character traits that I thought we valued as a country.  The idea that anyone can be President is the offshoot of this craziness that “I’m not going to believe scientists and do my own research” type crap. We have a problem valuing expertise and we are about to experience the impact of that. 
It is true that I don’t agree with GOP policies in general, but I can set that aside. 
May main problem with my fellow Americans is that while they are willing to take a chance on their future with Trump, I am not.  I cannot understand how anyone would feel like he was in this to improve their lives.   Even in my own life, I find that the Trump supporters are typically very low information voters and either have the wrong information or none at all. 
We are going to experience some things over the next four years.  I’m taking the Red Hat approach that I am going protect me and mine and I can’t worry about anything else because I am powerless to change it. 
I’m super resentful that this is where things are. 
Trump and the people that will surround him are not good people. They are there for power and grift.  How people don’t care more about that is beyond me. 
I can’t forgive it. We have the greatest country and economy in the world and to take a chance like this is reckless and irresponsible.  After all, 40% of NC voted for the nazi porn guy. WTF is wrong with us?

Give me 8 years of Mitt Romney over 1 year of Trump. At least the country could recover

[Born to Run 6,567]

Just now, Frank Drebin said:

What do you think Trump is going to do to your lesbian friends?  I’m genuinely interested.  

If they are unlucky enough to get stuck alone with, I'd imagine he'd grab them by the pussies like he has bragged about doing, because he's a star. 

Women feel less safe and for good reason. Christian men Should want a leader that isn't out sexually assaulting women- it's a pretty low bar.

Don't even get me started on shitting on the trans community.

[Sawbonz 27,418]

2 minutes ago, JBJ said:

E-Verify matches the TIN/SSN with the name and that's about it. National Photo ID would help because E-verify does face-matching, but not often.   

The most effective thing in my experience to get rid of an illegal worker is to send them to a project in Arizona.

And why is that all e verify does? Give them a photo with Real ID technology and link that to their status. That hasn’t been done. Again we both know why. 

[The Original Greaser Bob 2,790]

41 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Truce was probably a poor word choice. I'd like to have a place where we can discuss things with the temperature turned down. 

Eh, people will get over it.

 

[G650 14,100]

22 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

If someone isn't providing a suggestion on how to address or create change given the current reality... 

A suggestion for what in particular? Mostly this appears to be an immigration thread now.

[Pescado_Rojo 19,331]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

I can put forth a ton of policies, but what's the point the politicians on either side will never for for it?

-Federal Voting Guidelines: States can run elections but there are certian rules on when/how absentee ballots are voted, so there is NO CONFUSION or gray area on "election theft" yes
-Ranked Choice Voting Hell Yes
-Districts are drawn with guidelines by computers to prevent partisan gerrymandering - If your computer program can draw an R +15 district, it can draw every district within 3-5%. Make congress pander to the middle.
-Supreme Courts not being a lifetime appointment 20 years max, mandatory retirement at 78
-Return Manufacturing to the US, even at a fucking loss, because of National Security Issues. We subsidize ariline failure, lets subsidize manufacturing I'd need you to flesh out your plan more, but not against it. Some industries it makes a lot of sense. (chips, critical infrastructure, drugs, etc)
-Teachers and Police officers should be paid extremely high salaries, becuase educating and protecting is important, and right now intelligent and ethical people do other things becuase it's barely a living wage or a thankless profession that has become populated by bullies. Have to attract talent, EVEN AT AN ECONOMIC LOSS - I'd add education degrees should be almost free so teachers aren't strapped with debt, and college degrees required for police (also low cost)
-We need a new, fairer tax code. A fucking relatively simple one that isn't so easy for the wealthy to sidestep. yes

That's my start. Ranked choice voting will eliminate the fucking fringe lunatics from each side who typically, currently, win their fucking primaries. FUCK PRIMARIES. You want to fix America, start fucking there. 

I'll add, off the top of my head...

Age limits for elected officials and judges. 

Outlaw the Hastert rule

reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

[Sawbonz 27,418]

If only there were a way to reliably tell if a person is who they say they are

[Willfully Horn 7,913]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

The human life cycle is a matter of biological science, not religion. Whether or not human life has intrinsic value and rights is a matter of philosophy. 

I think religion plays a more important part than philosophy. The political philosophy of Texas has already determined that a human life is not worth the value of lawn furniture, after sundown.

As for religion, there is no consensus. Striking the right to privacy, outlawing abortion in those states that have done so, is the establishment of a national religion, which goes against our values. Striking an established right does so, too.

The cost of raising children compared with that of lawn furniture isn’t apples to apples. Any argument that the parent(s) assumed that cost goes out the window in cases of rape or incest.

 

 

[Michael Knight 12,888]

Also every one of you fucks is an immigrant or descended from immigrants even the fucking so called Native Americans came here from China. So why don't we start with deporting the goddam Italians or the worthless fucking Irish 

[JBJ 3,649]

3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

And why is that all e verify does? Give them a photo with Real ID technology and link that to their status. That hasn’t been done. Again we both know why. 

We know why.  I was explaining the employer side of things.  You can't just fire someone for talking with an accent and going by Pepe when his ID says his name is George.

There are already immigration and enforcement databases that the don't let employers verify with.  It's not like law enforcement or ICE have issues with this.

[Dbeasy 14,965]

1 hour ago, BevoAbyss said:

Hey, look:

It's a thread where everyone can kumbaya themselves to the fact that they are living in a Christian Misogynist Fascist Nation-State. 

Lulz. 

Brisket and I (and some others) warned y'all of this.

 

You left out corporatocracy. 

[Hagbard Celine 10,755]

48 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

How about we actually adhere to the separation of church and state? I hear @gsoda3 talk about his religion and Frank Drebin declare from the rooftops about his, but not every American is a Christian. And using religion to dictate policy infringes on the rights of everyone that doesn't attend your church. I have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It doesn't say only Catholics or Christians. So get religion out of the govt.

I will lose friends and family over this election, and I'm completely ok with that. But that is because I REFUSE to remain silent in the face of hypocrisy and stupidity any longer.

 

the brethren's name for their societal system was "theodemocracy": the top 1% held all leadership roles in the church, the economy, the government and the military, and in many settlements, the same 1 or 2 men held the top office or title in every entity

in government, the charade of voting was thoroughly documented, and every vote was unanimous according to what joseph or brigham wanted

despite the US' re-imposition of authority over utah in 1858, the echoes of that system remain in place today

we are headed towards "theoligarchy", with corporations taking top billing (where the LDS church was the top dog 1839-1858), with feaux christianity supplying the charade of moral high ground; without a course correction, by the end of the century, corporations will take over from the government the right to terminate human life in the name of profit

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9 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

Oh boy here we go again with "both sides" Democrats argue with each other all the fucking time and seldom agree on anything. Republicans are the united party groupthink that follow one leader. It's why we keep losing elections

right. Republicans have been boiled down to a united base. Democrats have become everything else. It's hard to effectively serve the interests of such a broad coalition. Realistically, we should have multiple parties that govern by coalition and compromise like a parliamentary system, but that's not what the oligarchy wants, because it's much easier to play two sides against each other than 4-5 sides.