Non-partisan "Fuck the Status Quo" Thread of Dominance

[Hank Kingsley 20906]

10 hours ago, Incredulity said:

The Fairness Doctrine was part of the deal for broadcasters to get public spectrum.  I don’t think it would make any  difference unless it’s applied to Social Media and Podcasts and Cable… which is a stickier wicket. 

I appreciate you bringing this subject up. 

It's fairly easy to assume no guardrails will be applied to social media during a Trump presidency. And I didn't hear any concern from the higher ups in the Democratic Party, so I doubt a theoretical Kamala presidency would have helped either. 

Even if you remove anything political on the app, anyone that has used and engaged with Twitter for a long time can see how much Elon fucked it up. It's not just one decision by him, it's a series of massive errors that have made it sooooooo bad. Monthly payments, blue check power, monetization, ridiculous algorithm, and no moderation. Sports twitter is a disaster. Entertainment twitter is a disaster. Reading replies is a worthless exercise and cesspool. The ads are for nothing but scams. 

Clearly political twitter is a disaster. Tons of #Resistance Libs posting stupid shit to rile people up. I won't tolerate a "both side" equivalency though. It's much worse on the right. Elon's idea of "citizen journalism" is an absolute joke. People openly lie for engagement and $$$. And most lap it up. We have free speeched ourselves into an Idiocracy. 

But I don't know the right answer to make things better. 

 

[G650 14242]

10 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

The democratic platform is soup to nuts a fucking loser. The American public just told everyone paying attention that fact. It’s a fucking loser. All branches of government and a popular vote fucking loss. How many people here would have bet their life savings that Trump loses the popular vote, even if he lost the presidency? Every motherfucker that posts in the CR. 
 

You can blame low educated voters. You can blame a media based on profit versus informing citizens. You can blame whoever the fuck you want. But it’s a fucking loser. That video Bo&W posted was right; introspection. You can’t make changes if you don’t win, and you’re not winning on your current platform. 
 

this isn’t a rah rah post for the right. It’s just a fact. Loser platform. 50% of white women said fuck off. 45% of Latinos said go fuck yourself. Young men of all demographics said eat my ass. Blaming messaging and libsplaining some principle skinner bullshit. “Oh if they just didn’t understand.” America is fucking dumb. You can’t make them understand. Stop trying. Figure out a new platform and new messaging because America sucks right now. And the right sucks balls too but at the end of the day no one seems fucking happy except the trolls over here dunking on their day of identity politics victory. 

 

 

I think this is exactly right. I said it before, if there is one upside to this, it's laid the truth bare about America. There's not any room for illusion and wishcasting anymore, this is who we are.

 

One thing I would definitely like to say though, as far as me personally, when I speak of being transactional,  I'm not going out of my way to be mean to anyone. I just don't care. I'm by default someone who greets people with a smile, kindness is always something that matters to me. But I'm not going to help you anymore if you chose this unless there's something in it for me. That's what you voted for, so that's what you will get. I'm not going to sever my preexisting relationships either if someone voted Turnip. But those relationships will absolutely change into something less than they were, and that isn't something I chose, but something those people chose. As I summed up before, these people chose to break the country willingly, it's on them to put it back together if they want.

[G650 14242]

11 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

X-posting the video here for reference(assuming this is what you're talking about)

 

 

 

Is this a TIktok or some other player? Want to send to some people

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

18 minutes ago, G650 said:

Is this a TIktok or some other player? Want to send to some people

It is tiktok. If you click the 3 lines you can download but let me go grab the link for you

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFTgRLPy/

Edited November 8 by BurntOrange&White

[G650 14242]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It is tiktok. If you click the 3 lines you can download but let me go grab the link for you

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFTgRLPy/

Thx. I have no idea how to TikTOk, but will be able send the link.

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

Just now, G650 said:

Thx. I have no idea how to TikTOk, but will be able send the link.

Yeah you should be able to just copy/paste the link.

[Hagbard Celine 10851]

10 hours ago, hornmpa96 said:

Sure - I’m unfortunately a shareholder. Boeing absolutely lost sight of quality. Planes need to stay in the air and an airplane manufacturer will significantly suffer if that doesn’t happen.

The buybacks didn’t create the scenario allowing Boeing to essentially self-regulate.

My only point here is that buybacks are not some nefarious plot.

boeing spent Forty Three Billion Dollars on stock buybacks since 2013

$43,000,000,000.00

self-regulation is not the problem

90% of that money should have been reinvested in to employees, engineering, quality and performance

50% of that money was profit on contracts funded by taxpayers where the profit was funneled to private shareholders

boeing is part of our NATIONAL SECURITY infrastructure - this was theft of public money - not  a problem of self-regulation

[Hagbard Celine 10851]

35 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

But I don't know the right answer to make things better.

within 12 hours of the results, the australians announced a social media ban for age 16 and under:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gzd62g1r3o

[Captainant 27637]

So this being the "Truce" thread, can I make an ask? What is the trump supporter's list of campaign promises that you think is fair and valid?

Let's at least agree on what he said he would do, so we can track that together.

[Captainant 27637]

1 hour ago, G650 said:

Is this a TIktok or some other player? Want to send to some people

And it was originally a tiktok video by looks, but if you right click -> open in new tab, it's hosted on media.surlyhorns. So that's just your browser's built-in player

[wildcat09 29346]

28 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Let's at least agree on what he said he would do, so we can track that together.

Trump's political superpower is that nothing he said matters to his voters because he'll say anything and has said virtually everything. They get to pick and choose what they think he really believes and change their picks daily to continually rationalize their vote.

[Incredulity 11652]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I appreciate you bringing this subject up. 

It's fairly easy to assume no guardrails will be applied to social media during a Trump presidency. And I didn't hear any concern from the higher ups in the Democratic Party, so I doubt a theoretical Kamala presidency would have helped either. 

Even if you remove anything political on the app, anyone that has used and engaged with Twitter for a long time can see how much Elon fucked it up. It's not just one decision by him, it's a series of massive errors that have made it sooooooo bad. Monthly payments, blue check power, monetization, ridiculous algorithm, and no moderation. Sports twitter is a disaster. Entertainment twitter is a disaster. Reading replies is a worthless exercise and cesspool. The ads are for nothing but scams. 

Clearly political twitter is a disaster. Tons of #Resistance Libs posting stupid shit to rile people up. I won't tolerate a "both side" equivalency though. It's much worse on the right. Elon's idea of "citizen journalism" is an absolute joke. People openly lie for engagement and $$$. And most lap it up. We have free speeched ourselves into an Idiocracy. 

But I don't know the right answer to make things better. 

 

I think its clear that giving everyone a microphone to barf political hot takes is extraordinarily ugly/messy.  It really is the digital version of a free for all cork message board in a dorm lobby.  Pretty soon its covered in dicks, pornography and bizarre performance art advertisements, then someone gets offended and restrictions start.  Frankly I'd rather there be an open version of it like X and I think community notes is a pretty darn good mechanism to keep complete falsehoods in check.

Full disclaimer I am NOT a heavy user of any social media.  More like very light.  Go in to get information from a direct source on specific topic and get out.  I have no interest in @BigBluntDaddies opinion on really anything.

[G650 14242]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Pretty soon its covered in dicks, pornography and bizarre performance art advertisements, then someone gets offended and restrictions start. 

I mean, no one got offended when we did that, and we had some asian chick doing bukkake.

[Hank Kingsley 20906]

3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Trump's political superpower is that nothing he said matters to his voters because he'll say anything and has said virtually everything. They get to pick and choose what they think he really believes and change their picks daily to continually rationalize their vote.

That's true, but the landslide victory this time around changes things. The Trump administration will have legitimate power with fewer checks and balances. I know some people that voted for Trump with the assumption (and hope) that gridlock would keep things pretty much the same. But that's not what the majority of his voters want. They want to see change. And the excuses not to do things might actually piss them off. 

[Hank Kingsley 20906]

9 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I think its clear that giving everyone a microphone to barf political hot takes is extraordinarily ugly/messy.  It really is the digital version of a free for all cork message board in a dorm lobby.  Pretty soon its covered in dicks, pornography and bizarre performance art advertisements, then someone gets offended and restrictions start.  Frankly I'd rather there be an open version of it like X and I think community notes is a pretty darn good mechanism to keep complete falsehoods in check.

Full disclaimer I am NOT a heavy user of any social media.  More like very light.  Go in to get information from a direct source on specific topic and get out.  I have no interest in @BigBluntDaddies opinion on really anything.

I was a very heavy Twitter user for a long time. I get the idea of letting it roam free, but the results of that are only gonna get worse. And FYI, Elon himself and others get community noted sometimes. But a lot of the bullshit does not.  Plenty of people have tried to community note clear falsehood to no avail. 

Factually, his algorithm skews heavily to the right. It also promotes violence (fight videos, footage of people getting shot and/or killed) and porn with zero warning or restrictions. The former will pop up in your feed uninvited. I'm assuming it's only gonna get worse. 

Edited November 8 by Hank Kingsley

[InkaUtexas 25862]

1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

boeing spent Forty Three Billion Dollars on stock buybacks since 2013

$43,000,000,000.00

self-regulation is not the problem

90% of that money should have been reinvested in to employees, engineering, quality and performance

50% of that money was profit on contracts funded by taxpayers where the profit was funneled to private shareholders

boeing is part of our NATIONAL SECURITY infrastructure - this was theft of public money - not  a problem of self-regulation

Yep, now do companies that are not percieved as "defense" or national security. I would start with Microsoft and Amazon.

[wildcat09 29346]

45 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I was a very heavy Twitter user for a long time. I get the idea of letting it roam free, but the results of that are only gonna get worse. And FYI, Elon himself and others get community noted sometimes. But a lot of the bullshit does not.  Plenty of people have tried to community note clear falsehood to no avail. 

Factually, his algorithm skews heavily to the right. It also promotes violence (fight videos, footage of people getting shot and/or killed) and porn with zero warning or restrictions. The former will pop up in your feed uninvited. I'm assuming it's only gonna get worse. 

Remember when Elon restored the account of a guy who had posted CSAM? That was definitely cool and good. 

[BevoAbyss 2058]

I am already hearing from friends on the East Coast ..... Trump signs are now being posted high up on utility poles in LIBERAL urban neighborhoods. 

-- Posted very high so signs cannot be taken down except with very tall ladder. 

-- The symbolism is obvious.

But y'all keep on truce seeking.

(Modified scene from War of the Worlds)

Edited November 8 by BevoAbyss

[Michael Knight 12977]

Quote

Fuck Civility: Do you need to be screaming and waving your middle finger in the face of Trump voters? Only if you want to. Live your best life. But please don’t be conned by the cult of civility and discourse, the “now is the time to come together” folks. You are under no obligation to like, respect, or associate with people who countenance this. We’ve all heard that we shouldn’t let politics interfere with friendships. But do people really mean that, sincerely? Do people really think you shouldn’t cut ties with, say, someone who votes for an overt neo-Nazi, or an overt “overthrow the system and nationalize all assets” tankie? I don’t buy it. I think everyone has their own line about where support of — or subservience to — a doctrine is too contemptible to let a civil relationship survive. For most of my life no major party candidate was over that line for me. I have trusted, liked, and respected people who have voted the other way for decades. But whatever my feelings about Trump in 2016 or 2020, Trump in 2024 is definitely over my line.

Furthermore, no civility code or norm of discourse is worth being a dupe. Trump and his adherents absolutely don’t respect or support your right to oppose him. They have contempt for your disagreement. They despise your vote. They don’t think it’s legitimate. The people who voted for him, at a minimum, don’t see that as a deal-breaker. So Trump voters, to the extent they fault you for judging them, have a double standard you need not respect. Part of the way Trumpists win is when you announce “ah well, voting for Trumpists is just a normal difference of opinion, we all share the same basic American values,” while the Trumpists are saying “everyone who disagrees with us is cuck scum, they’re the enemy within.” Stop that nonsense.

I am invited to break bread with people who think my children, by virtue of being born elsewhere, poison the blood of America — or at least with people who think it’s no big deal for someone to say so. I decline. I decline even to pretend to accept or respect the suggestion that I should.

 

 

https://www.popehat.com/p/and-yet-it-moves

[aggie08 21489]

44 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

I am already hearing from friends on the East Coast ..... Trump signs are now being posted high up on utility poles in LIBERAL urban neighborhoods. 

-- Posted very high so signs cannot be taken down except with very tall ladder. 

-- The symbolism is obvious.

But y'all keep on truce seeking.

(Modified scene from War of the Worlds)

If they're not super offensive, who gives a fuck? Were you under the impression that they weren't going to gloat and rub it in everyone's faces?

[TeeDubya 3362]

3 hours ago, Incredulity said:

I think its clear that giving everyone a microphone to barf political hot takes is extraordinarily ugly/messy.  It really is the digital version of a free for all cork message board in a dorm lobby.  Pretty soon its covered in dicks, pornography and bizarre performance art advertisements, then someone gets offended and restrictions start.  Frankly I'd rather there be an open version of it like X and I think community notes is a pretty darn good mechanism to keep complete falsehoods in check.

Full disclaimer I am NOT a heavy user of any social media.  More like very light.  Go in to get information from a direct source on specific topic and get out.  I have no interest in @BigBluntDaddies opinion on really anything.

Let’s look at another, fairly hidden sociological social media effect.

SM gives people a VERY easy way to connect to like-minded users.

Before social media, those out of the mainline had mimeographed or photocopied newsletters, followed by shadowy web pages or AOL/Compuserve communities, followed by message boards (hello Cloak Room).  It was a long, somewhat deliberate process to get feedback on one’s perspective.

Now, people can have their fucked up ideas almost immediately legitimized and reinforced, with the added benefit of normalizing their fuckeduppedness almost instantly.
 

[ChiTownDoc 21143]

4 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

boeing spent Forty Three Billion Dollars on stock buybacks since 2013

$43,000,000,000.00

self-regulation is not the problem

90% of that money should have been reinvested in to employees, engineering, quality and performance

50% of that money was profit on contracts funded by taxpayers where the profit was funneled to private shareholders

boeing is part of our NATIONAL SECURITY infrastructure - this was theft of public money - not  a problem of self-regulation

That brings up another problem.  When private companies are so intimately involved in things pertaining to national security there likely needs to be some more govt oversight.  I am full on capitalist but I do envy how China is able to protect their national interests like they do.  

[wild_turkey 3159]

This is long but I need to vent and haven’t had time until now. This thread seems as good as any.

I grew up in rural Texas in a Christian conservative home. I don’t remember my family ever being very political, but I’m sure my parents were Republican and I personally voted for GWB twice, just by default. I thought that’s what good Texans were supposed to do.

I did not vote in the ‘08, ‘12, or ‘16 elections because I was becoming more apathetic about politics, believing it didn’t actually matter for me who was in power. I’m a weirdo who liked Bush and liked Obama.

I voted libertarian in ‘20 as a protest vote against the 2 party system. I definitely wanted Trump to lose by that point, but I felt like the EC rendered my Texan vote pointless, so may as well burn it on a 3rd party candidate. I hate the 2 party system and am envious of countries that have multiple candidates and ranked choice voting. I agree with the idea that the U.S. has a beta version of democracy that unfortunately never got upgraded, and now we’re like an iPhone 3 that physically cannot receive upgrades ever again.

For 10+ years, I considered myself politically moderate, socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Despite my upbringing in the church, I supported and sympathized with LGBTQ groups, shifted more and more towards pro-choice, legalization of weed, etc. I also drifted farther from the church to the point of being completely disenfranchised and there was freedom in that.

Maybe I was slightly left of center for a while, but for the past ~5 years, I feel like the far right has become more and more extreme, so the new “center” is significantly skewed from the historical center. That puts me farther on the left than I’ve ever been, not necessarily because I agree with every Democrat policy, but because I strongly disagree with many Republican policies.

I voted down ballot D this cycle because I’m pissed off and genuinely concerned about Republican agendas. I also think Trump is morally reprehensible and unfit to be president I have a very hard time understanding how any halfway decent human being could vote for him. He sexually assaulted at least one woman that we know of and likely many more. Like, what the fuck America? We don’t even need to get into January 6 or hush money or classified documents. I wish like hell the GOP would’ve nominated Ron Desantis because at least then we could focus on policy differences and not have to accept that a rapist is in the Oval Office and many people are celebrating it.

I was obviously disappointed in the outcome of the election, but bad things happen in life and we have to pick ourselves up and hope for a better future. A majority of our voting population wanted this. My knee jerk reaction was to hate everyone who voted for this, but that would involve turning my back on many people who are close family and friends. That’s a dark and lonely road, and to the conservatives in my life, it would paint me as an asshole who took his ball and went home, rather than maintaining those relationships and hoping to be an advocate or a voice of reason for my beliefs.

After some reflection, when you remove the radicalized MAGA types from the equation, I think millions of people voted for Trump because of money. Pure and simple - money. I think rich people chose him because they believe he will protect their money and social status. I think poor people chose him because they are struggling to buy basic necessities let alone ever buy a house, and they view Harris as an extension of Biden, who has failed them in their eyes. Perhaps we don’t have millions of people who think it’s okay to elect a rapist, but we have millions of people who don’t think the American dream is working for them under the current status quo, and they felt it was their only choice. I disagree with that, but maybe that’s a luxury that I could vote on the basis of moral principals and not worry about feeding my family.

I hope that many of Trump’s more outlandish promises were merely theatrics and don’t actually come to pass. I know that’s naive and all signs point the other direction, but I can’t throw in the towel. I want to continue living here and I want my young child to live a good and full life, so I have to hope that we as a society figure this thing out. A lot can happen in 4 years, but hopefully nothing becomes so irreparably broken that we can’t fix it down the road.

I’ll do my part to be a good neighbor and friend and member of my community. I’ll vote again in 2 years and 4 years. I have a personal commitment to provide my daughter a good life above all else, and there may come a point at which a move is ultimately the only remaining option, but we aren’t there yet and I’m clinging to hope that things can still improve.

[ChiTownDoc 21143]

2 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

This is long but I need to vent and haven’t had time until now. This thread seems as good as any.

I grew up in rural Texas in a Christian conservative home. I don’t remember my family ever being very political, but I’m sure my parents were Republican and I personally voted for GWB twice, just by default. I thought that’s what good Texans were supposed to do.

I did not vote in the ‘08, ‘12, or ‘16 elections because I was becoming more apathetic about politics, believing it didn’t actually matter for me who was in power. I’m a weirdo who liked Bush and liked Obama.

I voted libertarian in ‘20 as a protest vote against the 2 party system. I definitely wanted Trump to lose by that point, but I felt like the EC rendered my Texan vote pointless, so may as well burn it on a 3rd party candidate. I hate the 2 party system and am envious of countries that have multiple candidates and ranked choice voting. I agree with the idea that the U.S. has a beta version of democracy that unfortunately never got upgraded, and now we’re like an iPhone 3 that physically cannot receive upgrades ever again.

For 10+ years, I considered myself politically moderate, socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Despite my upbringing in the church, I supported and sympathized with LGBTQ groups, shifted more and more towards pro-choice, legalization of weed, etc. I also drifted farther from the church to the point of being completely disenfranchised and there was freedom in that.

Maybe I was slightly left of center for a while, but for the past ~5 years, I feel like the far right has become more and more extreme, so the new “center” is significantly skewed from the historical center. That puts me farther on the left than I’ve ever been, not necessarily because I agree with every Democrat policy, but because I strongly disagree with many Republican policies.

I voted down ballot D this cycle because I’m pissed off and genuinely concerned about Republican agendas. I also think Trump is morally reprehensible and unfit to be president I have a very hard time understanding how any halfway decent human being could vote for him. He sexually assaulted at least one woman that we know of and likely many more. Like, what the fuck America? We don’t even need to get into January 6 or hush money or classified documents. I wish like hell the GOP would’ve nominated Ron Desantis because at least then we could focus on policy differences and not have to accept that a rapist is in the Oval Office and many people are celebrating it.

I was obviously disappointed in the outcome of the election, but bad things happen in life and we have to pick ourselves up and hope for a better future. A majority of our voting population wanted this. My knee jerk reaction was to hate everyone who voted for this, but that would involve turning my back on many people who are close family and friends. That’s a dark and lonely road, and to the conservatives in my life, it would paint me as an asshole who took his ball and went home, rather than maintaining those relationships and hoping to be an advocate or a voice of reason for my beliefs.

After some reflection, when you remove the radicalized MAGA types from the equation, I think millions of people voted for Trump because of money. Pure and simple - money. I think rich people chose him because they believe he will protect their money and social status. I think poor people chose him because they are struggling to buy basic necessities let alone ever buy a house, and they view Harris as an extension of Biden, who has failed them in their eyes. Perhaps we don’t have millions of people who think it’s okay to elect a rapist, but we have millions of people who don’t think the American dream is working for them under the current status quo, and they felt it was their only choice. I disagree with that, but maybe that’s a luxury that I could vote on the basis of moral principals and not worry about feeding my family.

I hope that many of Trump’s more outlandish promises were merely theatrics and don’t actually come to pass. I know that’s naive and all signs point the other direction, but I can’t throw in the towel. I want to continue living here and I want my young child to live a good and full life, so I have to hope that we as a society figure this thing out. A lot can happen in 4 years, but hopefully nothing becomes so irreparably broken that we can’t fix it down the road.

I’ll do my part to be a good neighbor and friend and member of my community. I’ll vote again in 2 years and 4 years. I have a personal commitment to provide my daughter a good life above all else, and there may come a point at which a move is ultimately the only remaining option, but we aren’t there yet and I’m clinging to hope that things can still improve.

I don’t have enough words to write something like this out but it’s exactly where I’m at.  

[aggie08 21489]

8 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

I hate the 2 party system and am envious of countries that have multiple candidates and ranked choice voting. I agree with the idea that the U.S. has a beta version of democracy that unfortunately never got upgraded, and now we’re like an iPhone 3 that physically cannot receive upgrades ever again.

I'm 100% stealing this. Sorry, not sorry.

[TommysTinyTowels 785]

14 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

Like, what the fuck America?

Got the bumper stickers ordered.

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

19 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

This is long but I need to vent and haven’t had time until now. This thread seems as good as any.

I grew up in rural Texas in a Christian conservative home. I don’t remember my family ever being very political, but I’m sure my parents were Republican and I personally voted for GWB twice, just by default. I thought that’s what good Texans were supposed to do.

I did not vote in the ‘08, ‘12, or ‘16 elections because I was becoming more apathetic about politics, believing it didn’t actually matter for me who was in power. I’m a weirdo who liked Bush and liked Obama.

I voted libertarian in ‘20 as a protest vote against the 2 party system. I definitely wanted Trump to lose by that point, but I felt like the EC rendered my Texan vote pointless, so may as well burn it on a 3rd party candidate. I hate the 2 party system and am envious of countries that have multiple candidates and ranked choice voting. I agree with the idea that the U.S. has a beta version of democracy that unfortunately never got upgraded, and now we’re like an iPhone 3 that physically cannot receive upgrades ever again.

For 10+ years, I considered myself politically moderate, socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Despite my upbringing in the church, I supported and sympathized with LGBTQ groups, shifted more and more towards pro-choice, legalization of weed, etc. I also drifted farther from the church to the point of being completely disenfranchised and there was freedom in that.

Maybe I was slightly left of center for a while, but for the past ~5 years, I feel like the far right has become more and more extreme, so the new “center” is significantly skewed from the historical center. That puts me farther on the left than I’ve ever been, not necessarily because I agree with every Democrat policy, but because I strongly disagree with many Republican policies.

I voted down ballot D this cycle because I’m pissed off and genuinely concerned about Republican agendas. I also think Trump is morally reprehensible and unfit to be president I have a very hard time understanding how any halfway decent human being could vote for him. He sexually assaulted at least one woman that we know of and likely many more. Like, what the fuck America? We don’t even need to get into January 6 or hush money or classified documents. I wish like hell the GOP would’ve nominated Ron Desantis because at least then we could focus on policy differences and not have to accept that a rapist is in the Oval Office and many people are celebrating it.

I was obviously disappointed in the outcome of the election, but bad things happen in life and we have to pick ourselves up and hope for a better future. A majority of our voting population wanted this. My knee jerk reaction was to hate everyone who voted for this, but that would involve turning my back on many people who are close family and friends. That’s a dark and lonely road, and to the conservatives in my life, it would paint me as an asshole who took his ball and went home, rather than maintaining those relationships and hoping to be an advocate or a voice of reason for my beliefs.

After some reflection, when you remove the radicalized MAGA types from the equation, I think millions of people voted for Trump because of money. Pure and simple - money. I think rich people chose him because they believe he will protect their money and social status. I think poor people chose him because they are struggling to buy basic necessities let alone ever buy a house, and they view Harris as an extension of Biden, who has failed them in their eyes. Perhaps we don’t have millions of people who think it’s okay to elect a rapist, but we have millions of people who don’t think the American dream is working for them under the current status quo, and they felt it was their only choice. I disagree with that, but maybe that’s a luxury that I could vote on the basis of moral principals and not worry about feeding my family.

I hope that many of Trump’s more outlandish promises were merely theatrics and don’t actually come to pass. I know that’s naive and all signs point the other direction, but I can’t throw in the towel. I want to continue living here and I want my young child to live a good and full life, so I have to hope that we as a society figure this thing out. A lot can happen in 4 years, but hopefully nothing becomes so irreparably broken that we can’t fix it down the road.

I’ll do my part to be a good neighbor and friend and member of my community. I’ll vote again in 2 years and 4 years. I have a personal commitment to provide my daughter a good life above all else, and there may come a point at which a move is ultimately the only remaining option, but we aren’t there yet and I’m clinging to hope that things can still improve.

This is so good, and so much could have come directly from my brain.  Especially my initial reaction to the results versus where I've settled over the last couple of days.

[DixonHur 11293]

12 hours ago, David Dennison said:

[Ragde 244]

Can we truce over both major parties think marijuana is more dangerous than meth?

[Incredulity 11652]

2 minutes ago, Ragde said:

Can we truce over both major parties think marijuana is more dangerous than meth?

marijuana being federally illegal at this point is so far beyond stupid its political malpractice.  The cat is totally out of the bag...yet crickets from Washington... bizarre.

[Ragde 244]

3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

marijuana being federally illegal at this point is so far beyond stupid its political malpractice.  The cat is totally out of the bag...yet crickets from Washington... bizarre.

And people want them in charge of health insurance.

[Hank Kingsley 20906]

4 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

marijuana being federally illegal at this point is so far beyond stupid its political malpractice.  The cat is totally out of the bag...yet crickets from Washington... bizarre.

Someone smarter than me can maybe answer...who is lobbying to keep marijuana federally illegal? Big Alcohol? The Prison Industrial Complex? 

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15 minutes ago, Ragde said:

Can we truce over both major parties think marijuana is more dangerous than meth?

That is blatantly not true anymore.

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4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Someone smarter than me can maybe answer...who is lobbying to keep marijuana federally illegal? Big Alcohol? The Prison Industrial Complex? 

Gotta think pharmaceutical lobby is the main driver. Alcohol definitely against it but dwarfed in size by pharma.

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17 minutes ago, safe sex said:

That is blatantly not true anymore.

Care to break out the federal schedule and show me this change? When did it reschedule? Can't believe i missed it and can't seem to find anything online. Your help will be appreciated.

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24 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Someone smarter than me can maybe answer...who is lobbying to keep marijuana federally illegal? Big Alcohol? The Prison Industrial Complex? 

Big Hemp. 

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8 minutes ago, Ragde said:

Care to break out the federal schedule and show me this change? When did it reschedule? Can't believe i missed it and can't seem to find anything online. Your help will be appreciated.

@safe sex was responding to you saying, "both parties think", which is demonstrably false.

Part of the Dem platform was to reschedule cannabis 

Kamala Harris promises full marijuana legalization – is that a gamechanger? | US elections 2024 | The Guardian

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2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

@safe sex was responding to you saying, "both parties think", which is demonstrably false.

Part of the Dem platform was to reschedule cannabis 

They are literally in power now.

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https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-submits-proposed-regulation-reschedule-marijuana

It's a process, even when in power, because we believe in the rule of law

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21 minutes ago, Ragde said:

They are literally in power now.

First of all, I'm not sure what you point is.  Your original statement was wrong.  If you want to amend your statement that's fine, but don't act like the goal posts didn't move from "think" to "have Federally legalized".

Second, the reclassification is already in process.

US DEA will reclassify marijuana, ease restrictions, AP sources say | AP News

I realize that it's not the Surly way, but please educate yourself on the issues before spouting off.

Edited November 8 by DixonHur

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4 minutes ago, safe sex said:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-submits-proposed-regulation-reschedule-marijuana

It's a process, even when in power, because we believe in the rule of law

There have been ample opportunities and both sides have doubled down incredibly in the past. Hell we even got national healthcare while still carrying this belief. Thats some scary shit. I'll believe it when i see it because i dont believe either side wants it legal.

 

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1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

First of all, I'm not sure what you point is.  Your original statement was wrong.  If you want to amend your statement that's fine, but don't act like the goal posts didn't move from "think" to "have Federally legalized".

Second, the reclassification is already in process.

US DEA will reclassify marijuana, ease restrictions, AP sources say | AP News

Please educate yourself on the issues before spouting off about things.

My point is this should and could have been done. You saying they are running on it, when in power isn't moving goal posts. Just do it. Make marijuana safer than meth.

 

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14 minutes ago, Ragde said:

Just do it. Make marijuana safer than meth.

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1 hour ago, Ragde said:

And people want them in charge of health insurance.

I’m not sure what one has to do with the other. You’d rather insurance companies be in charge?

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21 minutes ago, Ragde said:

There have been ample opportunities and both sides have doubled down incredibly in the past. Hell we even got national healthcare while still carrying this belief. Thats some scary shit. I'll believe it when i see it because i dont believe either side wants it legal.

 

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Oh so its a feels thing

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1 hour ago, Ragde said:

My point is this should and could have been done. You saying they are running on it, when in power isn't moving goal posts. Just do it. Make marijuana safer than meth.

 

I don't think you've been paying attention to the utter fuckery that is the house the past 10 years

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8 hours ago, Captainant said:

So this being the "Truce" thread, can I make an ask? What is the trump supporter's list of campaign promises that you think is fair and valid?

Let's at least agree on what he said he would do, so we can track that together.

Co-signed. I'd love to hear what @Frank Drebin @Incredulity @ulukinatme etc. actually expect. What do we see on trade/tariffs? Immigration? Does the GOP trifecta go for a federal abortion ban or some other rescinding of existing rights? How much of the Biden legislative agenda - IRA, CHIPS, etc - is rolled back? Are they still going after Obamacare or has that ship sailed? I think it would be great to have a sort of rubric we can look back on. 

The only thing I am reasonably sure of is additional wealth redistribution toward the very top. You think it's great, I think it sucks, but I think everyone agrees it will happen. I also think the economy is set up well for a pretty good 2025 and it will be hard for anything the federal government does to steer it off that path unless it is just hilariously bad policy. Beyond that, I don't really know what I expect if I'm being honest. So I'd love it if you set the record straight for us TDS-riddled libtards; that way we all have something to point to and say "XYZ did/didn't happen."

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20 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

are you familiar with the recent history of the boeing corporation?

Oh, you mean America in a nutshell?

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33 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Co-signed. I'd love to hear what @Frank Drebin @Incredulity @ulukinatme etc. actually expect. What do we see on trade/tariffs? Immigration? Does the GOP trifecta go for a federal abortion ban or some other rescinding of existing rights? How much of the Biden legislative agenda - IRA, CHIPS, etc - is rolled back? Are they still going after Obamacare or has that ship sailed? I think it would be great to have a sort of rubric we can look back on. 

The only thing I am reasonably sure of is additional wealth redistribution toward the very top. You think it's great, I think it sucks, but I think everyone agrees it will happen. I also think the economy is set up well for a pretty good 2025 and it will be hard for anything the federal government does to steer it off that path unless it is just hilariously bad policy. Beyond that, I don't really know what I expect if I'm being honest. So I'd love it if you set the record straight for us TDS-riddled libtards; that way we all have something to point to and say "XYZ did/didn't happen."

free flow thoughts below trying to touch on your items.  And for the eleventy billionth time I’m not a Trump supporter, but am certainly right of the baseline CR occupant.

I expect the TCJA gets renewed and perhaps expanded(50/50)

I expect a significant decrease in regulatory state and regulation.

I expect illegal immigration will be significantly decreased.  More wall built

I suspect the IRA gets carved up significantly 

I think Chips stays as is

I think tariffs will be targeted, but probably with a lot of bluster

I don’t have a clue if Ocare gets any attempt at replacing/repeal.  At this point Ocare is what exactly…marketplace, pre-existing conditions and employer mandate.  Maybe they go back to not enforcing employer mandate?

No way Trump goes for abortion ban.(we obviously need to define ban here). Maybe the house will be crazy enough to waste a bunch of effort on something (is a trifecta certain at this point?)

I pray the Ukraine war can be ended with maintaining Ukraine sovereignty/security. I don’t know how that could work out but don’t believe for a second it ends up with Putin getting a sweetheart deal.  I’m sure if a peace was agreed to tomorrow and Putin keeps a square millimeter of Ukraine there will be non-stop Putin Puppet nonsense.

 

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32 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

free flow thoughts below trying to touch on your items.  And for the eleventy billionth time I’m not a Trump supporter, but am certainly right of the baseline CR occupant.

I expect the TCJA gets renewed and perhaps expanded(50/50)

I expect a significant decrease in regulatory state and regulation.

I expect illegal immigration will be significantly decreased.  More wall built

I suspect the IRA gets carved up significantly 

I think Chips stays as is

I think tariffs will be targeted, but probably with a lot of bluster

I don’t have a clue if Ocare gets any attempt at replacing/repeal.  At this point Ocare is what exactly…marketplace, pre-existing conditions and employer mandate.  Maybe they go back to not enforcing employer mandate?

No way Trump goes for abortion ban.(we obviously need to define ban here). Maybe the house will be crazy enough to waste a bunch of effort on something (is a trifecta certain at this point?)

I pray the Ukraine war can be ended with maintaining Ukraine sovereignty/security. I don’t know how that could work out but don’t believe for a second it ends up with Putin getting a sweetheart deal.  I’m sure if a peace was agreed to tomorrow and Putin keeps a square millimeter of Ukraine there will be non-stop Putin Puppet nonsense.

 

Perhaps worst username to post correlation of all time