Non-partisan "Fuck the Status Quo" Thread of Dominance

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

3 minutes ago, immamac said:

Ah yes, the concepts of a plan. 

Why don't you stop attacking people who very much fucking get it and aren't dismissing that women's rights have been trampled on and are being threatened to be taken back decades. Be a part of the solution not part of the outrage cycle. 

@immamac there is no solution. There is a deep seated hate of women, as is evidenced by the misogyny that the moderators allow to go virtually unchecked in various parts of this message board. Step one would be to ban assholes like Johnny Sack, Macklemore and Animal Tobacco for bringing absolutely nothing to the table. 

Then maybe, we could work on real solutions rather than feeling like we don't fucking matter.

[immamac 42832]

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

You know, I've personally experienced three women weeping at the outcome of the election. These are women that I know well. At first, I thought the extreme reactions were partially induced by alcohol and partially over dramatic no matter how real and dire the actual meaning of the election is for women.

I can be slow on the uptake sometimes when the abstract becomes immediately real. 

Forced pregnancy. Loss of medical privacy. Withholding of medical attention for pregnant women for fear of violating abortion laws. The embrace of a sexual molester and rapist as leader of the country. Open talk about wives having to discuss and reveal their votes to their husbands. Even on the other side, the suggestion that you could hide or lie about your vote to your husband recognizes a not uncommon hierarchy/patriarchy that I'd assumed was gone.

All of that adds up to a very bleak statement about the cultural status of women in the United States. The too often statements of "would" around here illustrate the casual denigration considered acceptable in public discourse under the guise of guys being guys.

I'm again slapped awake to the righteous outrage of women . 

I'm guessing that some will sneer at this post as white-knighting. Women don't need my white-knighting. I write observations about citizens.

Many women will likely cringe at this post because it does carry the sound of the protector. Again, I write observations. Maybe they're errant. I don't think so. Women are viewed as chattel by a sizable part of our population that, shockingly, includes other women.

We need to do some re-thinking. We have a white man problem.

America has a greed and unchecked lust for power problem coupled with an apathy and ostrich problem. 

It doesn't have a white man problem. White men just are one if the largest sufferers of these ailments. 

What causes a population to become so checked out of an election that they don't vote? What causes a population to become so greedy that their greed is satisfied simply by seeing others have less than them? What causes a population to reward control and gamesmanship or politicking over effective and positive outcomes? 

Its not being white and its not having a penis. Something is wrong with America and it is why a Truce cannot exist. 

 

[Hank Kingsley 20903]

@immamac, can you rename this the Surly Truce Thread, or something? 

My intention was a thread where Surly posters can have a respectful dialogue about issues, not a national truce. 

[immamac 42832]

3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

@immamac, can you rename this the Surly Truce Thread, or something? 

My intention was a thread where Surly posters can have a respectful dialogue about issues, not a national truce. 

Then how do you keep the trolls and Pearl clutchers out?  I don't hate the idea of the thread but how do you police it? 

IMHO a sub-board with a hard and fast nonpartisan and original thought only global rule would make more sense. 

[Hank Kingsley 20903]

7 minutes ago, immamac said:

Then how do you keep the trolls and Pearl clutchers out?  I don't hate the idea of the thread but how do you police it? 

IMHO a sub-board with a hard and fast nonpartisan and original thought only global rule would make more sense. 

Just let it play out, if you don't mind. Most posters will probably need proof it can work before they chime in. It will take time. 

But my thread title was obviously confusing and didn't help. 

 

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

2 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

@immamac there is no solution. There is a deep seated hate of women, as is evidenced by the misogyny that the moderators allow to go virtually unchecked in various parts of this message board. Step one would be to ban assholes like Johnny Sack, Macklemore and Animal Tobacco for bringing absolutely nothing to the table. 

Then maybe, we could work on real solutions rather than feeling like we don't fucking matter.

Why didn't democrats do anything when they controlled all 3 phases from 2008-2010 or 2020-2022? 

[immamac 42832]

25 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Just let it play out, if you don't mind. Most posters will probably need proof it can work before they chime in. It will take time. 

But my thread title was obviously confusing and didn't help. 

 

fixed?

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Why didn't democrats do anything when they controlled all 3 phases from 2008-2010 or 2020-2022? 

They used all their political capital in 2009-2011 to get ACA passed. They then quickly lost control of the house in 2011.

You know the answer to 2021 - 2023

. They controlled the Senate, but barely, and thanks to Manchin and KS, not really. They couldn't get Manchin to agree to kill the filibuster to enshrine women's rights.  But, you could ask the same thing about immigration and Republican control. Look at all the times the GQP has been in control since Reagan. 2001-2003, 2003, 2005, 2005-2007 (they even had a bi-partisan plan and sunk it), and 2017-2019. 

I mean, the Democrats couldn't even get enough votes in the Senate to get IVF over the hump or the right to birth control. Really think they were going to get a woman's right to bodily autonomy over the hump? Now you have women in states like Texas dying due to lack of timely medical care. While @immamac is droning on about greed, women are losing their lives. 

If you really want to talk about the two underlying, problems, greed is one (greed for money and power), and the other is people seeing others who are not like them (religion, race, sex, etc..) as other and beneath them is the other. And Evangelical Christians do both of those really fucking well.

[Incredulity 11643]

39 minutes ago, immamac said:

Then how do you keep the trolls and Pearl clutchers out?  I don't hate the idea of the thread but how do you police it? 

IMHO a sub-board with a hard and fast nonpartisan and original thought only global rule would make more sense. 

Idea, pulling straight out of ass with zero knowledge of workability or your interest to implement anything different.

 

a pop up poster certification notice(like ban notice) where the poster has to affirm they are posting with threads intent of non-troll, name calling?  Then hand out time off for violators?

Edited November 12 by Incredulity

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

Just now, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

They used all their political capital in 2009-2011 to get ACA passed. They then quickly lost control of the house in 2011.

You know the answer to 2021 - 2023

. They controlled the Senate, but barely, and thanks to Manchin and KS, not really. They couldn't get Manchin to agree to kill the filibuster to enshrine women's rights.  But, you could ask the same thing about immigration and Republican control. Look at all the times the GQP has been in control since Reagan. 2001-2003, 2003, 2005, 2005-2007 (they even had a bi-partisan plan and sunk it), and 2017-2019. 

I mean, the Democrats couldn't even get enough votes in the Senate to get IVF over the hump or the right to birth control. Really think they were going to get a woman's right to bodily autonomy over the hump? Now you have women in states like Texas dying due to lack of timely medical care. While @immamac is droning on about greed, women are losing their lives. 

If you really want to talk about the two underlying, problems, greed is one (greed for money and power), and the other is people seeing others who are not like them (religion, race, sex, etc..) as other and beneath them is the other. And Evangelical Christians do both of those really fucking well.

They could have pushed anything they wanted in that time on top of what they had....but they didn't. Why?

[Incredulity 11643]

29 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Just let it play out, if you don't mind. Most posters will probably need proof it can work before they chime in. It will take time. 

I think something affirmative will need to be done.  Its too easy to be in "surly" mode and scrolling through threads then just chime in.  I did it this AM.

[immamac 42832]

Just now, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

They used all their political capital in 2009-2011 to get ACA passed. They then quickly lost control of the house in 2011.

You know the answer to 2021 - 2023

. They controlled the Senate, but barely, and thanks to Manchin and KS, not really. They couldn't get Manchin to agree to kill the filibuster to enshrine women's rights.  But, you could ask the same thing about immigration and Republican control. Look at all the times the GQP has been in control since Reagan. 2001-2003, 2003, 2005, 2005-2007 (they even had a bi-partisan plan and sunk it), and 2017-2019. 

I mean, the Democrats couldn't even get enough votes in the Senate to get IVF over the hump or the right to birth control. Really think they were going to get a woman's right to bodily autonomy over the hump? Now you have women in states like Texas dying due to lack of timely medical care. While @immamac is droning on about greed, women are losing their lives. 

If you really want to talk about the two underlying, problems, greed is one (greed for money and power), and the other is people seeing others who are not like them (religion, race, sex, etc..) as other and beneath them is the other. And Evangelical Christians do both of those really fucking well.

more people voted for "air" than for either candidate. People die every day all over the place for all different kinds of reasons. People die of fentanyl overdoses, people die of gun violence, people die of cancer or other illnesses etc. There's all kinds of preventable loss happening it's not exclusive to women, stop being so hyperbolic and myopic. A whole bunch of people died in the freeze in Texas because the grid basically failed, I'm sure there's a list that goes on and on that includes a ton of government inaction or complete mismanagement that leads to the deaths of innocent people due to failed policy. 

We get it, reproductive care and rights to privacy are beyond important, they are sacred. Move the fuck on, this isn't the thread for that holy shit.

[RomaVicta 29893]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

Its not being white and its not having a penis.

Literally true but hopelessly out of touch.

Western Culture is White Man Culture.

Poorly run carnage fest.

Using race as a justification for enslavement.

Ruthlessly exterminating indigenous peoples.

Ruthlessly exterminating Jews. (Europe stood by while the Nazis rounded those people up. Nobody engaged in that war because of the Final Solution.)

Assumption of superiority.

Just. To. Name. A. Few.

So, no, I wasn't referring simply to phenotype. Not all of the phenotypes are responsible for White Man Culture. We are largely blind to what it means for non-White Males. Fighting Woke-ism is the means of willfully maintaining that blindness.

Congrats on all your bold actions stated by you above.

[immamac 42832]

4 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I think something affirmative will need to be done.  Its too easy to be in "surly" mode and scrolling through threads then just chime in.  I did it this AM.

 

5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Idea, pulling straight out of ass with zero knowledge of workability or your interest to implement anything different.

 

a pop up poster certification notice(like ban notice) where the poster has to affirm they are posting with threads intent of non-troll, name calling?  Then hand out time off for violators?

Mechanically this would be the sub-forum all of these things are possible there. Then I could revoke access easy without removing access to the whole board etc. Offenders get a single strike then removed from convo. 

Other option is opt in for something like one time 5 bucks or something and then you get access forever and if you get booted you get booted. 

[High Plains Drifter 11024]

4 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Try to convince the voters who swung the election to swing back when they start to feel the negative effects of Donald Trump's policies.

 

 

Fuck that. Been done. Didn't work.

I say let them get their faces eaten, then laugh in their bloody faces. If they want to keep voting for the leopards, fuck em. I'm not spending another quantum of effort on the stupids anymore.

I'm done with them.  Fuck em. 

 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

10 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

They could have pushed anything they wanted in that time on top of what they had....but they didn't. Why?

Were you paying attention from 2021 to 2023? They did push it. It failed in the Senate, where you need 60 votes. Are you being obtuse on purpose?

[immamac 42832]

2 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Literally true but hopelessly out of touch.

Western Culture is White Man Culture.

Poorly run carnage fest.

Using race as a justification for enslavement.

Ruthlessly exterminating indigenous peoples.

Ruthlessly exterminating Jews. (Europe stood by while the Nazis rounded those people up. Nobody engaged in that war because of the Final Solution.)

Assumption of superiority.

Just. To. Name. A. Few.

So, no, I wasn't referring simply to phenotype. Not all of the phenotypes are responsible for White Man Culture. We are largely blind to what it means for non-White Males. Fighting Woke-ism is the means of willfully maintaining that blindness.

Congrats on all your bold actions stated by you above.

cool, now do the middle east, asia, india and Africa.

None of those places are "white people" same problems. 

The problem with America is that it hasn't kept up with the times. It was a progressive nation that held true to it's ideals and wanting to have a better future than past. People are so fed up with how good their current lives are they are willing to destroy the future for everyone else so they can feel better about their lives which are already fucking incredible (relative to the past).

The issue isn't one of race or creed or whatever the fuck you keep pushing. It's that the American population has it so good they don't even know what good is anymore so they want to try and have all 300M+ people live like the people they see on youtube, Instagram, cable news, whatever. 

[G650 14229]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

People are so fed up with how good their current lives are they are willing to destroy the future for everyone else so they can feel better about their lives which are already fucking incredible (relative to the past).

 

100% this

[Incredulity 11643]

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

Mechanically this would be the sub-forum all of these things are possible there.

I don't think a sub-forum will have enough traffic to sustain a thread.  I  do realize that's a "no-shit" kind of statement

[Pam Cummings 9639]

10 minutes ago, immamac said:

cool, now do the middle east, asia, india and Africa.

None of those places are "white people" same problems. 

The problem with America is that it hasn't kept up with the times. It was a progressive nation that held true to it's ideals and wanting to have a better future than past. People are so fed up with how good their current lives are they are willing to destroy the future for everyone else so they can feel better about their lives which are already fucking incredible (relative to the past).

The issue isn't one of race or creed or whatever the fuck you keep pushing. It's that the American population has it so good they don't even know what good is anymore so they want to try and have all 300M+ people live like the people they see on youtube, Instagram, cable news, whatever. 

Man this is so frustrating. I constantly find myself perplexed how people can be so miserable when they have so much....and I include myself in that. The days where I "realize" how great I have it and avoid the traps of misery tend to be the better ones.

[mchookem 16318]

21 minutes ago, immamac said:

cool, now do the middle east, asia, india and Africa.

None of those places are "white people" same problems. 

The problem with America is that it hasn't kept up with the times. It was a progressive nation that held true to it's ideals and wanting to have a better future than past. People are so fed up with how good their current lives are they are willing to destroy the future for everyone else so they can feel better about their lives which are already fucking incredible (relative to the past).

The issue isn't one of race or creed or whatever the fuck you keep pushing. It's that the American population has it so good they don't even know what good is anymore so they want to try and have all 300M+ people live like the people they see on youtube, Instagram, cable news, whatever. 

posrep. that's pretty good. and highly accurate. 

[RomaVicta 29893]

28 minutes ago, immamac said:

cool, now do the middle east, asia, india and Africa.

None of those places are "white people" same problems. 

The problem with America is that it hasn't kept up with the times. It was a progressive nation that held true to it's ideals and wanting to have a better future than past. People are so fed up with how good their current lives are they are willing to destroy the future for everyone else so they can feel better about their lives which are already fucking incredible (relative to the past).

The issue isn't one of race or creed or whatever the fuck you keep pushing. It's that the American population has it so good they don't even know what good is anymore so they want to try and have all 300M+ people live like the people they see on youtube, Instagram, cable news, whatever. 

Grow up.

Actually, most of the things I named are confirmed by a closer study of history through eyes other than our own white, self-congratulatory, male eyes.

I was as resistant as you to believing these things. My will to follow the lies was not so strong as to provide the blindness required to ignore history.

Suit yourself.

I suggest reading an Indigenous People's History of the US as a starting point. It refers to things beyond this continent.

Maybe look into the Belgian Congo.

Take a gander at the Indian Schools we had running through the 1960s. 

Show me the history of other places where such practices as erasing cultures was common. 

We're not the only ones who can brutal. Is that your defense? It's a culture not an isolated event.

I won't bother with this anymore unless you do something other than baldly assert. Again, congrats on your heroic actions that allow you to, without substantiation, assume others have not done as much.

In fact, thanks for providing an example of my point.

Edited November 12 by RomaVicta

[RomaVicta 29893]

30 minutes ago, immamac said:

 

The issue isn't one of race or creed or whatever the fuck you keep pushing. It's that the American population has it so good they don't even know what good is anymore so they want to try and have all 300M+ people live like the people they see on youtube, Instagram, cable news, whatever. 

By the way, this has nothing to do with anything I've written. I don't claim to be miserable. I don't deny and have often written here that I will have lived the greatest time in history to be an ordinary white male person. I've rolled in the lucky throw of those dice.

I have no idea what moved you to write the above in answer to me. Seems pre-conceived.

[WinningIsHard 4024]

I don’t know why it always has to be a race thing, and then once race is nailed down it’s gotta be religion. Humans. Humans are capable of terrible shit. The Egyptians, Persians, Spaniards, Asians…did unspeakable heinous shit to people throughout history. The Middle East and Africa has genocide happen every year. White people, also humans, can suck too. 

[mchookem 16318]

32 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Man this is so frustrating. I constantly find myself perplexed how people can be so miserable when they have so much....and I include myself in that. The days where I "realize" how great I have it and avoid the traps of misery tend to be the better ones.

i spent a month in Europe earlier this year, my first time. before we even got there, when i was just booking things, making reservations, buying tickets, etc., i joked (but not really) for months that i quickly learned two things...

one, Americans are incredibly spoiled, and two, we are totally accustomed to paying whatever the price for those privileges, because we can.

i mean...tickets to the Louvre or the Vatican are less than tickets to the Christmas light display at the botanical gardens or state history museum here! 3 nights in a huge 3/2 gorgeously restored historical farmhouse literally directly on the beach in Normandy was less than a third of the equivalent stay in friggin Port Aransas 😆

im just saying...it was quite eye-opening.

[Anastasis 23454]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

Then how do you keep the trolls and Pearl clutchers out?  I don't hate the idea of the thread but how do you police it? 

IMHO a sub-board with a hard and fast nonpartisan and original thought only global rule would make more sense. 

A thread they just tracks the nominations would be helpful right now. I know that it will become a shit show in quick time, but things are starting to ramp up. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

A thread they just tracks the nominations would be helpful right now. I know that it will become a shit show in quick time, but things are starting to ramp up. 

I agree with this. There is a lot going on.

 

[immamac 42832]

50 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Grow up.

Actually, most of the things I named are confirmed by a closer study of history through eyes other than our own white, self-congratulatory, male eyes.

I was as resistant as you to believing these things. My will to follow the lies was not so strong as to provide the blindness required to ignore history.

Suit yourself.

I suggest reading an Indigenous People's History of the US as a starting point. It refers to things beyond this continent.

Maybe look into the Belgian Congo.

Take a gander at the Indian Schools we had running through the 1960s. 

Show me the history of other places where such practices as erasing cultures was common. 

We're not the only ones who can brutal. Is that your defense? It's a culture not an isolated event.

I won't bother with this anymore unless you do something other than baldly assert. Again, congrats on your heroic actions that allow you to, without substantiation, assume others have not done as much.

In fact, thanks for providing an example of my point.

I'm aware of how shitty humans are. Humans have been shitty forever. Being "White" or "Western" has nothing to do with it is what I'm saying. 

39 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

By the way, this has nothing to do with anything I've written. I don't claim to be miserable. I don't deny and have often written here that I will have lived the greatest time in history to be an ordinary white male person. I've rolled in the lucky throw of those dice.

I have no idea what moved you to write the above in answer to me. Seems pre-conceived.

The second half of the post wasn't aimed at you directly it was more topical to the bigger conversation, only the first 2 lines were aimed towards the reply - probably should have indicated that by breaking up the post better. 

23 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

I don’t know why it always has to be a race thing, and then once race is nailed down it’s gotta be religion. Humans. Humans are capable of terrible shit. The Egyptians, Persians, Spaniards, Asians…did unspeakable heinous shit to people throughout history. The Middle East and Africa has genocide happen every year. White people, also humans, can suck too. 

^^ this is where I'm at. The "greater good of the tribe" being the focus of the tribal leadership generally results in periods of long lasting peace not without turmoil, but at least not barbarism and regression to the basic animal nature of humanity. What's happened is the population has lost touch with what makes it great. When people think America isn't the greatest country on earth (generally speaking, not nit picking bullshit to fit a narrative) it's really strange and sounds like someone who isn't well traveled or hasn't read a lot of history or spent a lot of time outside their socio-economic demographic. 

 

[RomaVicta 29893]

3 hours ago, immamac said:

I'm aware of how shitty humans are. Humans have been shitty forever. Being "White" or "Western" has nothing to do with it is what I'm saying. 

The second half of the post wasn't aimed at you directly it was more topical to the bigger conversation, only the first 2 lines were aimed towards the reply - probably should have indicated that by breaking up the post better. 

^^ this is where I'm at. The "greater good of the tribe" being the focus of the tribal leadership generally results in periods of long lasting peace not without turmoil, but at least not barbarism and regression to the basic animal nature of humanity. What's happened is the population has lost touch with what makes it great. When people think America isn't the greatest country on earth (generally speaking, not nit picking bullshit to fit a narrative) it's really strange and sounds like someone who isn't well traveled or hasn't read a lot of history or spent a lot of time outside their socio-economic demographic. 

 

We are in profound disagreement. We've both spoken. I think I got a little too pointed. Shall we leave it at this?

[956 Worldwide 34695]

8 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Grow up.

Actually, most of the things I named are confirmed by a closer study of history through eyes other than our own white, self-congratulatory, male eyes.

I was as resistant as you to believing these things. My will to follow the lies was not so strong as to provide the blindness required to ignore history.

Suit yourself.

I suggest reading an Indigenous People's History of the US as a starting point. It refers to things beyond this continent.

Maybe look into the Belgian Congo.

Take a gander at the Indian Schools we had running through the 1960s. 

Show me the history of other places where such practices as erasing cultures was common. 

 

[PRONG HORN 3128]

11 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Show me the history of other places where such practices as erasing cultures was common. 

 

 

The methods of survival and competition and it's consequences on all of us is probably the most ubiquitous human experience.  Not friendship, or love, or religion, or appreciating nature.  Competing and surviving is what we do here, and it has an ugly side from cavemen to now.  The things we learned by surviving and competing forms maybe our strongest foundation of what we can learn by looking in the mirror.  Fucking up is what we do, and therefore learning is also what we do.  

Erasing other cultures is a great strategy for having more to yourself.  A superior survival tool because it removes the competition.  We all (humans) did it.  We still do it.  It's who we are.  

Seek and ye shall find.  When you're looking at all of our history, and not just some of our history, you'll find things that we can all learn from.  Seek to teach us all.  

 

 

 

 

[troph 24781]

It’s not race or ethnicity it’s tribalism and that often means race or ethnicity but not always. It’s in our DNA.  As resources are constrained whether artificially (wealth inequality) or naturally (climate change / population increase) then the negative effects of tribalism will only continue to increase. I don’t think we are anywhere near the worst yet.

[DDD Dad 14323]

19 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

@immamac, can you rename this the Surly Truce Thread, or something? 

My intention was a thread where Surly posters can have a respectful dialogue about issues, not a national truce. 

Maybe put a [serious] tag on it. 

[MissingInAction 25002]

2 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

Maybe put a [serious] tag on it. 

[Captainant 27619]

8 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

The methods of survival and competition and it's consequences on all of us is probably the most ubiquitous human experience.  Not friendship, or love, or religion, or appreciating nature.  Competing and surviving is what we do here, and it has an ugly side from cavemen to now.  The things we learned by surviving and competing forms maybe our strongest foundation of what we can learn by looking in the mirror.  Fucking up is what we do, and therefore learning is also what we do.  

Erasing other cultures is a great strategy for having more to yourself.  A superior survival tool because it removes the competition.  We all (humans) did it.  We still do it.  It's who we are.  

Seek and ye shall find.  When you're looking at all of our history, and not just some of our history, you'll find things that we can all learn from.  Seek to teach us all.  

 

 

 

 

why do all of your posts have this weird header and footer formatting? Is it just to take up more space on the thread? Is chatGPT injecting those for you?

[MissingInAction 25002]

21 minutes ago, Captainant said:

why do all of your posts have this weird header and footer formatting? Is it just to take up more space on the thread? Is chatGPT injecting those for you?

Copy and paste.

[PRONG HORN 3128]

15 hours ago, Captainant said:

why do all of your posts have this weird header and footer formatting? Is it just to take up more space on the thread? Is chatGPT injecting those for you?

 

 

That's just how I post.  I don't need AI.