Non-partisan "Fuck the Status Quo" Thread of Dominance

[gmr548 16575]

18 hours ago, Incredulity said:

free flow thoughts below trying to touch on your items.  And for the eleventy billionth time I’m not a Trump supporter, but am certainly right of the baseline CR occupant.

I expect the TCJA gets renewed and perhaps expanded(50/50)

I expect a significant decrease in regulatory state and regulation.

I expect illegal immigration will be significantly decreased.  More wall built

I suspect the IRA gets carved up significantly 

I think Chips stays as is

I think tariffs will be targeted, but probably with a lot of bluster

I don’t have a clue if Ocare gets any attempt at replacing/repeal.  At this point Ocare is what exactly…marketplace, pre-existing conditions and employer mandate.  Maybe they go back to not enforcing employer mandate?

No way Trump goes for abortion ban.(we obviously need to define ban here). Maybe the house will be crazy enough to waste a bunch of effort on something (is a trifecta certain at this point?)

I pray the Ukraine war can be ended with maintaining Ukraine sovereignty/security. I don’t know how that could work out but don’t believe for a second it ends up with Putin getting a sweetheart deal.  I’m sure if a peace was agreed to tomorrow and Putin keeps a square millimeter of Ukraine there will be non-stop Putin Puppet nonsense.

 

I really don't know why you try to shake the Trump thing so hard when you've pretty consistently toed the line but whatever you say man. Coping some questions from the other thread:

Broad extension of the TCJA? Permanent or extending out to 2029 or something?

This is kind of vague. Are you saying we should expect a pretty standard GOP deregulation agenda of just generally shifting the sliding scale toward business interest? Or do you expect a more significant gutting of the federal government along the lines of major headcount reduction, agency elimination, partisan purge, etc?

Illegal border crossings are already relatively low - below 2019 figures, actually. Are you saying you expect exec action to reduce them further? If so, how? Is family separation back on the table? Do they pass the bill from earlier this year? What about deportations? RE: wall - Define this. Are we talking an actual wall from San Diego to Brownsville? Portions that have been authorized or started to date?

Obviously a big law - high level, what should we stays/goes from the IRA?

Fair to say you don't think tariffs will be broad enough and/or big enough to have an inflationary impact at a macro level?

Well, the Trump campaign has mentioned wanting to repeal (admittedly I believe this to simply be a tactic to rile up the base with no intention of real action). So the burden is on them and the GOP to tell us what they're talking about. They haven't. That's why I'm asking what to expect. There's plenty to go after - preexisting conditions, out of pocket max, eliminated annual lifetime maxes, covered essential services, employer mandate, premium subsidies, cost sharing, expanded Medicaid, etc etc.

I think it would be a pretty big surprise if Democrats won the House at this point. The House probably ends up within a couple seats in either direction of where it is now; which is to say slim, unruly GOP majority. I'd define an abortion ban as any law imposing a more restrictive limit than existed under Roe v Wade. I don't think such a thing would get through Congress but the Trump campaign and GOP have talked out of both sides of their mouth on the issue, similar to the ACA, so I'm asking what to expect. Do they go after abortion rights? Do they go after any other civil liberties - contraception/birth control, same sex marriage, etc?

What would it take for you to consider a hypothetical ceasefire/peace agreement in Ukraine to be a sweetheart deal for Putin? What's a reasonable expectation of a peace agreement? Do you think we should expect US involvement in Ukrainian reconstruction efforts?

What about the Israel-Gaza conflict? Will there be any notable difference between Trump and Biden with regard to that? What if Israel makes a larger offensive push into Lebanon?

[Incredulity 11643]

20 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

I really don't know why you try to shake the Trump thing so hard when you've pretty consistently toed the line but whatever you say man. Coping some questions from the other thread:

Broad extension of the TCJA? Permanent or extending out to 2029 or something?

This is kind of vague. Are you saying we should expect a pretty standard GOP deregulation agenda of just generally shifting the sliding scale toward business interest? Or do you expect a more significant gutting of the federal government along the lines of major headcount reduction, agency elimination, partisan purge, etc?

Illegal border crossings are already relatively low - below 2019 figures, actually. Are you saying you expect exec action to reduce them further? If so, how? Is family separation back on the table? Do they pass the bill from earlier this year? What about deportations? RE: wall - Define this. Are we talking an actual wall from San Diego to Brownsville? Portions that have been authorized or started to date?

Obviously a big law - high level, what should we stays/goes from the IRA?

Fair to say you don't think tariffs will be broad enough and/or big enough to have an inflationary impact at a macro level?

Well, the Trump campaign has mentioned wanting to repeal (admittedly I believe this to simply be a tactic to rile up the base with no intention of real action). So the burden is on them and the GOP to tell us what they're talking about. They haven't. That's why I'm asking what to expect. There's plenty to go after - preexisting conditions, out of pocket max, eliminated annual lifetime maxes, covered essential services, employer mandate, premium subsidies, cost sharing, expanded Medicaid, etc etc.

I think it would be a pretty big surprise if Democrats won the House at this point. The House probably ends up within a couple seats in either direction of where it is now; which is to say slim, unruly GOP majority. I'd define an abortion ban as any law imposing a more restrictive limit than existed under Roe v Wade. I don't think such a thing would get through Congress but the Trump campaign and GOP have talked out of both sides of their mouth on the issue, similar to the ACA, so I'm asking what to expect. Do they go after abortion rights? Do they go after any other civil liberties - contraception/birth control, same sex marriage, etc?

What would it take for you to consider a hypothetical ceasefire/peace agreement in Ukraine to be a sweetheart deal for Putin? What's a reasonable expectation of a peace agreement? Do you think we should expect US involvement in Ukrainian reconstruction efforts?

What about the Israel-Gaza conflict? Will there be any notable difference between Trump and Biden with regard to that? What if Israel makes a larger offensive push into Lebanon?

I’ll reply more later when I have a keyboard and more time.

Quickley until the house is settled it’s impossible to put any detail into what can and can’t be done.  Then even if R control we have to see if R’s are going to want to waste a pile of political capital on a speaker fight

 

Edited November 9 by Incredulity

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13087]

On 11/7/2024 at 11:16 PM, G650 said:

 

I mean, I don't either, but I have never felt shouted down.

Other’s experiences are very different.

 

Many, like me, who are middle of the road posters, but have high interest in social discussions, have not been welcomed in this environment. The mob mentality of the far-left purposely pushed most people of the board for sharing a different opinion. When a person gets a handful of middle fingers every time they post, it’s not exactly considered an open forum, but more of a club of assholes who only want to bitch amongst themselves, not engage. 

[TwiceHorn 31434]

On 11/8/2024 at 2:56 PM, Ragde said:

There have been ample opportunities and both sides have doubled down incredibly in the past. Hell we even got national healthcare while still carrying this belief. Thats some scary shit. I'll believe it when i see it because i dont believe either side wants it legal.

 

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I think there are significant segments of the population, mostly olds, who still think it's devil weed.  I suspect that Joe Biden, as an old, thinks of it as a third rail.  Probably a bunch of dustfart legislators on #bothsides think the same because of their dustfart constiuents.

[Gil Bang 25907]

On 11/7/2024 at 8:39 PM, Incredulity said:

I never said the Constitution said that.

I’d say Lincoln said something to that effect in the Gettysburg Address.

 

that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth

Remember when that fucking orange shitstain said "who knew that Lincoln was a Republican"?    Because I remember

[Incredulity 11643]

Just now, Gil Bang said:

Remember when that fucking orange shitstain said "who knew that Lincoln was a Republican"?    Because I remember

Nope, never heard that one.

 

And in the spirit of the thread, whats your point?

[Gil Bang 25907]

That your boy is a fucking complete and total idiot, that couldn't pass an 8th grade civics test in Fayetteville Arkansas public schools. 

[David Dennison 18837]

24 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

That your boy is a fucking complete and total idiot, that couldn't pass an 8th grade civics test in Fayetteville Arkansas public schools. 

Being dumb is cool.

[Incredulity 11643]

37 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

That your boy is a fucking complete and total idiot, that couldn't pass an 8th grade civics test in Fayetteville Arkansas public schools. 

That’s a super update. Thank you.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

1 hour ago, Gil Bang said:

That your boy is a fucking complete and total idiot, that couldn't pass an 8th grade civics test in Fayetteville Arkansas public schools. 

I bet it’s easy to beat someone that stupid.  

[gmr548 16575]

2 hours ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

Other’s experiences are very different.

 

Many, like me, who are middle of the road posters, but have high interest in social discussions, have not been welcomed in this environment. The mob mentality of the far-left purposely pushed most people of the board for sharing a different opinion. When a person gets a handful of middle fingers every time they post, it’s not exactly considered an open forum, but more of a club of assholes who only want to bitch amongst themselves, not engage. 

The mob mentality of the far left on a board comprised largely of former Bush-McCain-Romney voters in the suburbs of Dallas, Houston, and Austin lol. 

[InkaUtexas 25854]

On 11/8/2024 at 2:28 PM, Anastasis said:

Big Hemp. 

Colombian cartels plus I hear they supply the drug of choice of the Beltway Bandit crew.

[gmr548 16575]

10 hours ago, Incredulity said:

I’ll reply more later when I have a keyboard and more time.

Quickley until the house is settled it’s impossible to put any detail into what can and can’t be done.  Then even if R control we have to see if R’s are going to want to waste a pile of political capital on a speaker fight

 

Yeah fair enough. Consensus is Republicans will have a slim majority, but I suppose that's not Facebook official yet.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13087]

1 hour ago, gmr548 said:

The mob mentality of the far left on a board comprised largely of former Bush-McCain-Romney voters in the suburbs of Dallas, Houston, and Austin lol. 

Laugh all you want, but in reference to the board makeup, it is what it is. 
 

Also, one would think this would make this group more understanding of opposing opinions.

Edited November 10 by Coelenterate Fuccboi

[G650 14229]

8 hours ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

Other’s experiences are very different.

 

Many, like me, who are middle of the road posters, but have high interest in social discussions, have not been welcomed in this environment. The mob mentality of the far-left purposely pushed most people of the board for sharing a different opinion. When a person gets a handful of middle fingers every time they post, it’s not exactly considered an open forum, but more of a club of assholes who only want to bitch amongst themselves, not engage. 

I can't speak to your experiences, only give my own observations. There's certainly some on the left that will be jerks, but there's some on the right too, as you can see with the dickheads that came out of the woodwork this week. But you can’t consider a handful to represent the masses, on either side. Well, you can if you want I guess, but you will never have a space for discussion if you do. You have to tune out the extreme yourself.

 

Typically the only people I see get piled on here are the ones that come in with half baked unsupported ideas. That's not to say you won't get push back on any given idea, but if that's what you are looking to avoid, that's a plea for a safe space, not a discussion.

 

At any rate, I hope you stick around and participate.

[DigglerontheHoof 21168]

7 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

I bet it’s easy to beat someone that stupid.  

Not when 45% of the electorate is as dumb or dumber than he is. 

[Sawbonz 27526]

9 hours ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

Other’s experiences are very different.

 

Many, like me, who are middle of the road posters, but have high interest in social discussions, have not been welcomed in this environment. The mob mentality of the far-left purposely pushed most people of the board for sharing a different opinion. When a person gets a handful of middle fingers every time they post, it’s not exactly considered an open forum, but more of a club of assholes who only want to bitch amongst themselves, not engage. 

List the social issues you would like to discuss. 

[TwiceHorn 31434]

7 hours ago, gmr548 said:

The mob mentality of the far left on a board comprised largely of former Bush-McCain-Romney voters in the suburbs of Dallas, Houston, and Austin lol. 

Raises hand.

[Incredulity 11643]

8 hours ago, gmr548 said:

The mob mentality of the far left on a board comprised largely of former Bush-McCain-Romney voters in the suburbs of Dallas, Houston, and Austin lol. 

Thats great and all, but the fact is even push back on eliminating the filibuster is met with neg bombing.  I’ve repeatedly made the argument that any party that did that would regret it deeply in short order as there is no way either party is pushed into oblivion forever.  Nope thats the talk of a Nazi, Fascist, Orange God Worshiper.

[TwiceHorn 31434]

6 hours ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

Laugh all you want, but in reference to the board makeup, it is what it is. 
 

Also, one would think this would make this group more understanding of opposing opinions.

Many of us are happy to discuss opinions and policy positions.  Most especially when they're not presented on the basis of factually inaccurate social media or similar sources.

Before this notion of truce, Stros101 came in and said a few things in earnest.  He was questioned about the factual basis for them, quite civilly and failed to respond once the premises of his "opinions" were laid bare.

He failed to respond to most of those pointing out the errors in his assumptions and basically began flinging poo.  Poo was flung back.

There was a long thread in CR hashing out immigration, which is a hot-button issue upon which reasonable minds may differ.  It petered out because everything that could be said had been said.

There are a few posters that bypass the debate pretty much entirely, though and start flinging personal insults immediately.  

The animal_tobacco guy came in and tried to express contrary opinions, debated with people, but ultimately, most of his policy positions, when reduced to bare bones, amounted to some variation of "I've got mine, screw everyone else."

[bolverk 29644]

12 hours ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

Other’s experiences are very different.

 

Many, like me, who are middle of the road posters, but have high interest in social discussions, have not been welcomed in this environment. The mob mentality of the far-left purposely pushed most people of the board for sharing a different opinion. When a person gets a handful of middle fingers every time they post, it’s not exactly considered an open forum, but more of a club of assholes who only want to bitch amongst themselves, not engage. 

Which middle-of-the-road social issues would you like to discuss? Which ones have you attempted to talk with the board about before? How was your experience?

It's kind of tough to respond without any specifics.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Raises hand.

Bring a former Republican doesn’t preclude you from being a radical liberal (I’m not saying you are one).  My wife was a a Clinton voter.  She hated Bush 1 and 2.  She’s now farther right than I am.  

[wildcat09 29338]

9 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

List the social issues you would like to discuss. 

You know what they are.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13087]

7 hours ago, bolverk said:

Which middle-of-the-road social issues would you like to discuss? Which ones have you attempted to talk with the board about before? How was your experience?

It's kind of tough to respond without any specifics.

I’m not looking for specifics right now. Someone should be able to step into any conversation with an opposing viewpoint without being run out of the building. It’s a discussion board. Most people in the forum don’t want to hear other people’s thoughts anymore. They want to hear support for theirs or nothing at all. 

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

You know what they are.

Tell me then.

[G650 14229]

3 minutes ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

They want to hear support for theirs or nothing at all

That's a pretty wild assertion when it's a forum full of vociferous nonstop debate

[bolverk 29644]

5 minutes ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

I’m not looking for specifics right now. Someone should be able to step into any conversation with an opposing viewpoint without being run out of the building. It’s a discussion board. Most people in the forum don’t want to hear other people’s thoughts anymore. They want to hear support for theirs or nothing at all. 

Tell me then.

Then, by all means, take a stance. Say something more than just a vague complaint about the behavior of other posters. You claim to be a middle-of-the-road guy. If that's true, then you should fit in fine.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13087]

Just now, bolverk said:

Then, by all means, take a stance. Say something more than just a vague complaint about the behavior of other posters. You claim to be a middle-of-the-road guy. If that's true, then you should fit in fine.

This is a truce thread. You want to derail into some random discussion just to satisfy your curiosity?

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13087]

6 minutes ago, G650 said:

That's a pretty wild assertion when it's a forum full of vociferous nonstop debate

A large percentage of posters on Surly would agree. It’s not that wild.

[Incredulity 11643]

Just now, bolverk said:

Then, by all means, take a stance. Say something more than just a vague complaint about the behavior of other posters. You claim to be a middle-of-the-road guy. If that's true, then you should fit in fine.

 

abolishing the filibuster is beyond stupid, it literally represents a childs understanding of our system.

the senate’s structure and rules, even beyond the filibuster, are a extremely wise mechanism that provides stability.

[bolverk 29644]

4 minutes ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

This is a truce thread. You want to derail into some random discussion just to satisfy your curiosity?

The OP created this thread specifically to discuss issues without the name-calling.

I sense this is probably not gonna work out, but wanted to try to start a discussion thread about our overall politics, culture, issues, and the upcoming Trump term in good faith. If others are open to it, let's avoid the hysterics, name calling, and overly judgmental rhetoric to discuss issues and news as liberals/conservatives/none of the above, Trump or anti-Trump supporters.  Maybe something good will come out of it, even if it's just in this community. 

I am not a Democrat. I tend to vote very heavy towards Democrats in this landscape. I hate the two party system. I have a set of personal values, and that dictates my positions, not party lines. I admit that the result of this election saddens me, but it's a relief that it was a clear and indisputable decision. The people have spoken. I think that opens the door to clear minds and introspection. 

I think we can all agree that we live in troubling times as a society and the future is very hazy. Can't depend on government and politicians to figure it out. It's on us. 

No trolling. If you have a strong position, present it. We can argue. Let's be patient with each other and not run off posters. I will genuinely listen and process and be thoughtful with replies. Join me. 

Go for it. What do you want to talk about?

[G650 14229]

5 minutes ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

A large percentage of posters on Surly would agree. It’s not that wild.

That isn't a contrafactual, just another form of "people are saying". Obviously you don't spend much time here, but the fact is there's a wide variety of belief and almost incessant argument. Go to the Israel thread for like 10 seconds if you want to see online fisticuffs, or basically any thread chainsaw posts in.

[Incredulity 11643]

8 minutes ago, G650 said:

That isn't a contrafactual, just another form of "people are saying". Obviously you don't spend much time here, but the fact is there's a wide variety of belief and almost incessant argument. Go to the Israel thread for like 10 seconds if you want to see online fisticuffs, or basically any thread chainsaw posts in.

You’re dead wrong.

Cloakroom prior to 16’ Trump was arguments and discussion.  The leftists neg bombed all dissent off the board.

 

The Israel thread is left on left violence just like with real life protests.  The pro-Palestine protestors don’t show up at Trump rallies, they show up at Kamala events and The Jimmy Kimmel show.

 

Edited November 11 by Incredulity

[Captainant 27620]

11 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

You’re dead wrong.

Cloakroom prior to 16’ Trump was arguments and discussion.  The leftists neg bombed all dissent off the board.

The Israel thread is left on left violence just like with real life protests.  The pro-Palestine protestors don’t show up at Trump rallies, they show up at Kamala events and The Jimmy Kimmel show.

This is another instance where repeating a story does not magically transmute it into truth. What do you mean "violence" in a thread? Y'all craft these wild and rhetorically juicy narratives in your head and repeat them to each other, and then get bigmad when you get fact checked

[Incredulity 11643]

10 minutes ago, Captainant said:

This is another instance where repeating a story does not magically transmute it into truth. What do you mean "violence" in a thread? Y'all craft these wild and rhetorically juicy narratives in your head and repeat them to each other, and then get bigmad when you get fact checked

I’ll be waiting for you to provide examples of a conservative voice in the Israel thread prior to Nov 1. (Beyond a shitpost by Pronghorn)

The most right oriented poster participating in that thread is Ana and he is Pro-Palestine in that thread.  Full admit that is my interpretation of Ana, and I don’t claim to speak for him.

[Sawbonz 27526]

1 hour ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

Tell me then

If you want to be taken for making a good faith argument for persecution it is incumbent upon you to list the beliefs you hold and feel are verboten 

Edited November 11 by Sawbonz

[Sawbonz 27526]

1 hour ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

This is a truce thread. You want to derail into some random discussion just to satisfy your curiosity?

Deflection. I’m starting to sense a lack of good faith here

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13087]

56 minutes ago, bolverk said:

The OP created this thread specifically to discuss issues without the name-calling.

I sense this is probably not gonna work out, but wanted to try to start a discussion thread about our overall politics, culture, issues, and the upcoming Trump term in good faith. If others are open to it, let's avoid the hysterics, name calling, and overly judgmental rhetoric to discuss issues and news as liberals/conservatives/none of the above, Trump or anti-Trump supporters.  Maybe something good will come out of it, even if it's just in this community. 

I am not a Democrat. I tend to vote very heavy towards Democrats in this landscape. I hate the two party system. I have a set of personal values, and that dictates my positions, not party lines. I admit that the result of this election saddens me, but it's a relief that it was a clear and indisputable decision. The people have spoken. I think that opens the door to clear minds and introspection. 

I think we can all agree that we live in troubling times as a society and the future is very hazy. Can't depend on government and politicians to figure it out. It's on us. 

No trolling. If you have a strong position, present it. We can argue. Let's be patient with each other and not run off posters. I will genuinely listen and process and be thoughtful with replies. Join me. 

Go for it. What do you want to talk about?

Apologies, I skimmed the OP because I don't typically post here. G650's post caught my attention because so many people do get shouted down, or at least did when I was paying attention. I was actually just skimming for a post similar to diggleronthehoof's, nah, fuck that, because I don't expect there will ever be a truce on the board. 

[safe sex 11696]

Otherwise it's gotta be...you know the ones

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13087]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

Deflection. I’m starting to sense a lack of good faith here

More like laziness, see above.

Just now, safe sex said:

Otherwise it's gotta be...you know the ones

Who are the ones?

[Incredulity 11643]

1 minute ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

that, because I don't expect there will ever be a truce on the board. 

There won’t be a board wide truce, but this thread is supposed to be a truce from reflexive name calling and negging.

 

[Sawbonz 27526]

1 minute ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

fuck that, because I don't expect there will ever be a truce on the board. 

Ah yes. Complain that you will be negged to Bolivia if you venture to post an opinion in CR. Several posters genuinely and politely ask you for examples. Then deflect and when politely pressed, leave because you don’t think a truce is possible. 
 

Sure doesn’t seem like you truly want a dialogue 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13087]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

Ah yes. Complain that you will be negged to Bolivia if you venture to post an opinion in CR. Several posters genuinely and politely ask you for examples. Then deflect and when politely pressed, leave because you don’t think a truce is possible. 
 

Sure doesn’t seem like you truly want a dialogue 

Or maybe, I came into the CR to check the temperature, found a thread about a truce, and was caught of guard by an implication that maybe there wasn't a problem letting people speak up, and decided to quickly counter that with an outside opinion. I didn't come in here to have a discussion about social issues right now. Frankly, I'd like a break from that. My point was, if someone with a varying opinion wants to speak up, they should be able with out getting the middle finger from half the board. 

This is a problem from many republicans and democrats. They cannot have civil discussions about political topics with the opposing side. Instead they believe the media, regarding why people are making their choices and put everyone in these easy to hate categories. You know, "the ones". The fact is, many people are more complicated than that.

I apologize if I didn't come to class with my report. Maybe because I was just passing by, looked in the window, and heard what I thought was an attempt to deny why more people didn't show up for class.

[Sawbonz 27526]

1 minute ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

Or maybe, I came into the CR to check the temperature, found a thread about a truce, and was caught of guard by an implication that maybe there wasn't a problem letting people speak up, and decided to quickly counter that with an outside opinion. I didn't come in here to have a discussion about social issues right now. Frankly, I'd like a break from that. My point was, if someone with a varying opinion wants to speak up, they should be able with out getting the middle finger from half the board. 

This is a problem from many republicans and democrats. They cannot have civil discussions about political topics with the opposing side. Instead they believe the media, regarding why people are making their choices and put everyone in these easy to hate categories. You know, "the ones". The fact is, many people are more complicated than that.

I apologize if I didn't come to class with my report. Maybe because I was just passing by, looked in the window, and heard what I thought was an attempt to deny why more people didn't show up for class.

Cool. Maybe think about some of the topics you think are worthy of discussion and drop back in sometime

[G650 14229]

4 minutes ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

Or maybe, I came into the CR to check the temperature, found a thread about a truce, and was caught of guard by an implication that maybe there wasn't a problem letting people speak up, and decided to quickly counter that with an outside opinion. I didn't come in here to have a discussion about social issues right now. Frankly, I'd like a break from that. My point was, if someone with a varying opinion wants to speak up, they should be able with out getting the middle finger from half the board. 

This is a problem from many republicans and democrats. They cannot have civil discussions about political topics with the opposing side. Instead they believe the media, regarding why people are making their choices and put everyone in these easy to hate categories. You know, "the ones". The fact is, many people are more complicated than that.

I apologize if I didn't come to class with my report. Maybe because I was just passing by, looked in the window, and heard what I thought was an attempt to deny why more people didn't show up for class.

That's fine, you certainly don't have to talk if you don't want to. All I was doing is relating my personal experience. I'm certainly nobodies idea of a leftist, and I've never been shouted down once in here.

 

If you have something to say at some point, please stop by and say it.

[Captainant 27620]

13 hours ago, Incredulity said:

I’ll be waiting for you to provide examples of a conservative voice in the Israel thread prior to Nov 1. (Beyond a shitpost by Pronghorn)

The most right oriented poster participating in that thread is Ana and he is Pro-Palestine in that thread.  Full admit that is my interpretation of Ana, and I don’t claim to speak for him.

You're arguing that conservatives are victimized, because they don't show up at all in the first place? I'm not sure I agree with your police work, lou. A null data point is a poor input for inference. 

[G650 14229]

What does conservation or liberal have to do with anything? The hypothesis was that any differing opinion gets shouted down. Basically any thread has people with myriad opinions arguing with each other so this is clearly not the case.

[TwiceHorn 31434]

32 minutes ago, G650 said:

What does conservation or liberal have to do with anything? The hypothesis was that any differing opinion gets shouted down. Basically any thread has people with myriad opinions arguing with each other so this is clearly not the case.

Yeah "differing opinion" is code for something.

[Incredulity 11643]

50 minutes ago, Captainant said:

You're arguing that conservatives are victimized, because they don't show up at all in the first place? I'm not sure I agree with your police work, lou. A null data point is a poor input for inference. 

Surrender noted

[wildcat09 29338]

15 hours ago, Incredulity said:

 

abolishing the filibuster is beyond stupid, it literally represents a childs understanding of our system.

the senate’s structure and rules, even beyond the filibuster, are a extremely wise mechanism that provides stability.

The filibuster was literally made by accident.

[StassneyHorn 6573]

Of the people who get neg bombed to Bolivia, how many are the same troll posters under new names?