Trump’s economy

[David Dennison 18652]

4 minutes ago, linux said:

The border wall did not bind you, you will do as he says.

That said I do think he will try it.

I think he'll act like he's trying it to appease his base. If it looks like he's failing to deliver, he'll just blame Democrats.

[hobbes2702 12799]

3 minutes ago, G650 said:

I will say if Icono got denaturalized I would cackle for weeks uncontrollably

Shit I’d vote for that 

[Gil Bang 25897]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

What do you think the rule will be? Obviously, Trump has said first generation natural born Americans can be deported. Do you have to go back six generations to be safe? Is it on one parent’s side or both parents’?

he just wants to deport his cunt wife..

[David Dennison 18652]

Oh, yeah. When does Melanie get de-naturalized?

 

[linux 1659]

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

Shit I’d vote for that 

Specially when Iran is the target de jour, does he think Stephen Miller cares about him lol, when he said A for A and only for A he did not mean persians.

[Macklemore 2871]

8 minutes ago, G650 said:

I will say if Icono got denaturalized I would cackle for weeks uncontrollably

I’m natural born. Keep dreaming 

[David Dennison 18652]

Just now, Macklemore said:

I’m natural born. Keep dreaming 

Are your parents? That might be important during the purge.

[aggie08 21424]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Are your parents? That might be important during the purge.

Where do we report this interesting information to our new overlords?

[royiv 9148]

2 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

I’m natural born. Keep dreaming 

Haven’t been paying attention to one Mr. Miller, have you?

[McCroskey 1493]

I'd like to see real estate prices come back down to earth.  It seems like higher interest rates didn't do much.  Certainly deporting cheap, skilled labor won't help matters.  I haven't seen much from either side which would bring prices down.  Instead it seemed both sides wanted to lower interest rates and/or give money to first time buyers.  Neither of those would really help imo.

Macro…a drop in real estate prices would be bad.

Micro, a drop would probably good if not great for those who prepared.

Look back over the last 100+ years and hopefully you’ll see, you really shouldn’t want housing prices to drop…unless of course you are part of that (micro) minority that’s liquid and able to take advantage of a situation that’s bad for most Americans. We created a lot of millionaires and increased a lot of wealth post-2007.

Rates should settle in 2025 but don’t expect a return to 3%. I admit I have no way of knowing how we incent first time homebuyers and people who deserve homes without creating situations where the wealthy can take advantage. But, I think wages and productivity should be more the focus here.

One thing we do really need is for government to operate more efficiently. We’ve gotta get Congress out of this paycheck to paycheck lifestyle.

[ztejas 43262]

18 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Honestly, should we just let Ukraine fight its own battles when they were invaded without provocation by an aggressive, dictatorial regime?  Honest question? Is it a "fuck it, that's their problem" approach that would be better?  

Yes.

Next question. 

[David Dennison 18652]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

Yes.

Next question. 

You understand that we all benefit greatly by having America as the world's biggest swinging dick, right?

[McCroskey 1493]

Honestly, should we just let Ukraine fight its own battles when they were invaded without provocation by an aggressive, dictatorial regime?  Honest question? Is it a "fuck it, that's their problem" approach that would be better?  

I tend to think we can reduce the waste in rampant government spending and that alone would be hundreds of times more valuable to the American people.

Supporting disadvantaged countries against enemy aggressors is important to the well being of both our country and the planet long-term. Morally, it’s the right thing to do, too. I know they aren’t Americans but we’re all fucking people and most of those citizens don’t get chances, either. I’ll prob be negged for this, whatever.

[linux 1659]

Its not even swinging dick it was just tapping of the crotch Biden had to repeatedly say he was sending obsolete equipment that was 10x better than Soviet era obsolete equipment. He just decided to ride it out without communicating to the American people, just fucking joke because the media was not hostile, like dude come the fuck on that dark Biden was complete bullshit.

[tx 3 putt 76314]

not sure how tariffs on everything from mexico would work but we’re about to see inflation go up 

[LCHorn 2585]

13 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Increase supply, get rid of PE for homes.

Exactly-it’s like some of you were born after 2008.  Real estate prices falling in a broad, noticeable way is terrible for the economy.   If you want to get PE out of residential real estate then the economy needs to create more attractive avenues of investment.

To that point, a far bigger problem is that major parts of the economy are in thrall to rent-seeking.  It’s an area that JD Vance is reputed to be aligned with Lina Khan* on and if there’s a continuation of anti-monopoly enforcement it would mark a welcome surprise. 
 

*that said, I’m not terribly hopeful because this wouldn’t play nice with pretty much everyone else in Trump’s ear.

[McCroskey 1493]

You understand that we all benefit greatly by having America as the world's biggest swinging dick, right?

Better for both ours and the world’s future for us to be the biggest swinging dick than to sit idly by and wait for a line to be crossed that’s unrecoverable. How powerful do you want Russia or China to become?

If you need evidence, look back on literally any empire in history that’s now non-existent.

[InkaUtexas 25497]

9 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Yes.

Next question. 

Care to elaborate?

[ztejas 43262]

6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

You understand that we all benefit greatly by having America as the world's biggest swinging dick, right?

Highly debatable. 

This isn't the 50s.

[David Dennison 18652]

I'm sure the United States can avoid becoming entangled in European conflict through isolationism. We just didn't try hard enough the last couple of times.

[ztejas 43262]

1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

Care to elaborate?

We should quit inserting ourselves into centuries old territorial/ethnic conflicts. 

[aggie08 21424]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

You understand that we all benefit greatly by having America as the world's biggest swinging dick, right?

I think people think we lose actual money as a country when we handout weapons.

[David Dennison 18652]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

Highly debatable. 

This isn't the 50s.

Have you checked in on the non-super power economies lately?

[McCroskey 1493]

Highly debatable. 
This isn't the 50s.

You are absolutely correct on both counts. Am I not allowed to give an opinion?

[ztejas 43262]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

I'm sure the United States can avoid becoming entangled in European conflict through isolationism. We just didn't try hard enough the last couple of times.

This isn't 1939.

Is this y'all's average level of discourse on this board?

Good Christ.

[McCroskey 1493]

We should quit inserting ourselves into centuries old territorial/ethnic conflicts. 

Highly debatable.

[David Dennison 18652]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

We should quit inserting ourselves into centuries old territorial/ethnic conflicts. 

Do you even realpolitik, bro?

[ztejas 43262]

Nothing like Kamala voters spouting neocon idealism. 

[Frank Drebin 5616]

Just now, ztejas said:

Nothing like Kamala voters spouting neocon idealism. 

They love themselves some Cheneys too.  Fascinating 

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I think people think we lose actual money as a country when we handout weapons.

Trump thinks we lose actual money as a country when people purchase foreign products.

[David Dennison 18652]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

This isn't 1939.

Is this y'all's average level of discourse on this board?

Good Christ.

Do you really think we're going to willingly give up our ability to project power in our national interest when we do it more effectively than any other nation on earth?

Really?

[G650 14086]

12 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

I tend to think we can reduce the waste in rampant government spending and that alone would be hundreds of times more valuable to the American people.

Supporting disadvantaged countries against enemy aggressors is important to the well being of both our country and the planet long-term. Morally, it’s the right thing to do, too. I know they aren’t Americans but we’re all fucking people and most of those citizens don’t get chances, either. I’ll prob be negged for this, whatever.

I think the vast majority here agree with this

[David Dennison 18652]

3 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Nothing like Kamala voters spouting neocon idealism. 

Grow up.

[ztejas 43262]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

They love themselves some Cheneys too.  Fascinating 

Yeah. I'm gonna go drink. 

[David Dennison 18652]

OK, how about this.

We start by slashing the Pentagon's budget by 30%. Everybody on board with that?

5 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Nothing like Kamala voters spouting neocon idealism. 

No one said we like it. 

[ztejas 43262]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Do you really think we're going to willingly give up our ability to project power in our national interest when we do it more effectively than any other nation on earth?

Really?

"When we do it more effectively" falls flat with me when I think we're doing a supremely shitty job at it right now. 

[Horn Dogg 3807]

59 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

It’s definitely not going to happen at any scale that he has promised. It would completely wreck the economy. I know Trumpkins don’t give a fuck about human suffering and cruelty but they definitely care about cheap goods and this would explode prices of everything. 

They also like to buy a bunch of made in China junk from Wal-Mart.  How are they going to react to the increased prices due to tariffs?

[Macklemore 2871]

16 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

You understand that we all benefit greatly by having America as the world's biggest swinging dick, right?

Those days are gone for good. Way past time to focus on the home front and leave the proxy wars and imperial overreach behind.

[ztejas 43262]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

We start by slashing the Pentagon's budget by 30%. Everybody on board with that?

Sure. Actually - let's just fire everyone that works there - dismantle the place - and start fresh. 

[Derka 5933]

52 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

bipartisan leadership

does this still exist?

[Sawbonz 27398]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

"When we do it more effectively" falls flat with me when I think we're doing a supremely shitty job at it right now. 

How would you do it?

[David Dennison 18652]

1 minute ago, Macklemore said:

Those days are gone for good. Way past time to focus on the home front and leave the proxy wars and imperial overreach behind.

LOL

[G650 14086]

This is fascinating in a sad yet hilarious way.

[aggie08 21424]

4 minutes ago, ztejas said:

We should quit inserting ourselves into centuries old territorial/ethnic conflicts. 

These aren't two random African or Middle East countries having another scrap. This is an American enemy looking to expand its influence and power by invading a sovereign nation. No, we're probably not going to have a boots-on-the-ground war with Russia anytime soon, but they are our enemy, and they obviously have anti-American intentions.

Severely weakening them by providing the country being invaded--and who want to resist--with old stock (while we stimulate jobs and the economy by funding new tech) is one of the better investments we've ever made.

[David Dennison 18652]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

Sure. Actually - let's just fire everyone that works there - dismantle the place - and start fresh. 

Let's fly the American economy into a mountain while we're at it. No big deal.

Good lord, you people really don't know how the world works, do you?

[G650 14086]

Just now, aggie08 said:

Severely weakening them by providing the country being invaded--and who want to resist--with old stock (while we stimulate jobs and the economy by funding new tech) is one of the better investments we've ever made

It's probably the best ever, tbh.

[Horn Dogg 3807]

19 minutes ago, linux said:

Its not even swinging dick it was just tapping of the crotch Biden had to repeatedly say he was sending obsolete equipment that was 10x better than Soviet era obsolete equipment. He just decided to ride it out without communicating to the American people, just fucking joke because the media was not hostile, like dude come the fuck on that dark Biden was complete bullshit.

What the fuck are you trying to say?

[aggie08 21424]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Let's fly the American economy into a mountain while we're at it. No big deal.

Good lord, you people really don't know how the world works, do you?

Seriously, we all have many issues with the military industrial complex...

...but it's also why we're America.

[David Dennison 18652]

4 minutes ago, ztejas said:

"When we do it more effectively" falls flat with me when I think we're doing a supremely shitty job at it right now. 

It's great for the country you call home. How do you think we became the richest nation in the history of ever?

[ztejas 43262]

2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

but they are our enemy,

I hate this shit-ass viewpoint so much. 

Russia isn't my enemy. I don't treat Russian people differently. They're just other fucking people, bro.