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McCroskey

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I think the vast majority here agree with this

That’s why I don’t get the blanket labeling. Not meant to be a comprehensive list but this is how I think of it:


Bad for America/spend as much as we can afford:

Hitler invading Europe
Saddam invading Kuwait
Brezhnev invading Afghanistan
Putin invading Ukraine
Iran/Hezbollah/etc…attacking Israel


Don’t get involved/waste of American dollars:

Saddam/Iraq 2001
Afghanistan 2001
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ztejas

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

It's great for the country you call home. How do you think we became the richest nation in the history of ever?

I don't need a WW2 lesson - dipshit. Apparently you think that Omaha beach is still contested. 

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4 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

These aren't two random African or Middle East countries having another scrap. This is an American enemy looking to expand its influence and power by invading a sovereign nation. No, we're probably not going to have a boots-on-the-ground war with Russia anytime soon, but they are our enemy, and they obviously have anti-American intentions.

Severely weakening them by providing the country being invaded--and who want to resist--with old stock (while we stimulate jobs and the economy by funding new tech) is one of the better investments we've ever made.

This guy is too smart to be aggy.  2%er?

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David Dennison

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Just now, ztejas said:

I hate this shit-ass viewpoint so much. 

Russia isn't my enemy. I don't treat Russian people differently. They're just other fucking people, bro.

You can call them whatever you want, but they have an ass ton of nuclear warheads pointed at the nation you call home.

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David Dennison

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1 minute ago, ztejas said:

I don't need a WW2 lesson - dipshit. Apparently you think that Omaha beach is still contested. 

Apparently you don't understand the benefits of global hegemony. I assure you the people who own America do and are in no hurry to give that up.

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2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I hate this shit-ass viewpoint so much. 

Russia isn't my enemy. I don't treat Russian people differently. They're just other fucking people, bro.

Sorry. Putin is absolutely our enemy and actively wants to destabilize us (and Europe), and is making ongoing efforts to do so. Better?

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I hate this shit-ass viewpoint so much. 
Russia isn't my enemy. I don't treat Russian people differently. They're just other fucking people, bro.

Putin and the party in power is 100% your enemy and wants to see you dead.

The Russian people? Dude, they are great.
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Sorry. Putin is absolutely our enemy and actively wants to destabilize us (and Europe), and is making ongoing efforts to do so. Better?

That doesn't mean I need to be on the financial hook for Ukranian kids going and dying while fighting him. 

Y'all are actually fucking insane. This is the rhetoric that got us into Iraq and Afghanistan.

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That doesn't mean I need to be on the financial hook for Ukranian kids going and dying while fighting him. 

Y'all are actually fucking insane. This is the rhetoric that got us into Iraq and Afghanistan.

Sending obsolete equipment is actually getting off the financial hook of decomissioning it, people just don't pay fucking attention dear lord, the planet is doomed.

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That doesn't mean I need to be on the financial hook for Ukranian kids going and dying while fighting him. 
Y'all are actually fucking insane. This is the rhetoric that got us into Iraq and Afghanistan.

It is the literal opposite of what got us into Iraq (2001) and Afghanistan (2001).
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It is the literal opposite of what got us into Iraq (2001) and Afghanistan (2001).

Bro y'all are too dumb to even warrant discussion. Y'all have a nice time in the CR. Jesus Christ 

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Just now, ztejas said:

That doesn't mean I need to be on the financial hook for Ukranian kids going and dying while fighting him. 

Y'all are actually fucking insane. This is the rhetoric that got us into Iraq and Afghanistan.

Well, you're going to be and there's not much you can do about it beyond what you're doing right here in this thread.

 

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6 minutes ago, linux said:

Sending M1A3 to Ukraine is old and about to be retired but still way better than T-80 and below.

Right, so what’s wrong with doing it?  We’re getting rid of our old shit while someone else is using it to battle one of our worst enemies.  Apologies in advance if this is the same point you were trying to make.

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HOOKEM4

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46 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Oh, yeah. When does Melanie get de-naturalized?

 

What if this was all a long game to divorce/deport his wife without having to pay the pre-nup? Brilliant!

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1 minute ago, linux said:

Sending obsolete equipment is actually getting off the financial hook of decomissioning it, people just don't pay fucking attention dear lord, the planet is doomed.

Obsolete US equipment is still pretty effective at killing people and it's also fleecing the pockets of the guys trying to sell the NEW military equipment.

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26 minutes ago, McCroskey said:


Macro…a drop in real estate prices would be bad.

Micro, a drop would probably good if not great for those who prepared.

Look back over the last 100+ years and hopefully you’ll see, you really shouldn’t want housing prices to drop…unless of course you are part of that (micro) minority that’s liquid and able to take advantage of a situation that’s bad for most Americans. We created a lot of millionaires and increased a lot of wealth post-2007.

Rates should settle in 2025 but don’t expect a return to 3%. I admit I have no way of knowing how we incent first time homebuyers and people who deserve homes without creating situations where the wealthy can take advantage. But, I think wages and productivity should be more the focus here.

One thing we do really need is for government to operate more efficiently. We’ve gotta get Congress out of this paycheck to paycheck lifestyle.

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.   I get that there is pain for some when real estate drops, but I think recessions are part of the economic cycle. Since 2010, it seems like any time an asset class is in trouble we throw debt money at it, drop interest rates, or both.  Those that own that asset are protected, but those that don't, never get the opportunity to buy in.  

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Just now, Horn Dogg said:

Right, so what’s wrong with doing it?  We’re getting rid of our old shit while someone else is using it to battle one of our worst enemies.  Apologies in advance if this is the same point you were trying to make.

Yeah it is, the point is Biden never communicated shit, spent the entire time "Being presidential" when we needed a god damn communicator. I will really hate Biden until the day I die, even if Trump goes 100% senile tomorrow. His presidency was the only shot at saving us but instead he wanted a normal presidency.

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1 minute ago, Horn Dogg said:

Right, so what’s wrong with doing it?  We’re getting rid of our old shit while someone else is using it to battle one of our worst enemies.

Getting hundreds of thousands killed is what's wrong. 

Y'all are fucked up.

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HOOKEM4

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4 minutes ago, ztejas said:

That doesn't mean I need to be on the financial hook for Ukranian kids going and dying while fighting him. 

Y'all are actually fucking insane. This is the rhetoric that got us into Iraq and Afghanistan.

Son. You are out of your element. You have clearly not studied your history books. Take a seat. Make sure you eat your vegetables.

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1 minute ago, ztejas said:

Obsolete US equipment is still pretty effective at killing people and it's also fleecing the pockets of the guys trying to sell the NEW military equipment.

Well yeah the goal was to destroy Russian equipment and sadly killing soldiers that is what war is, Ukraine did not start it Putin did, did you ever in your life blame him?

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11 minutes ago, ztejas said:

That doesn't mean I need to be on the financial hook for Ukranian kids going and dying while fighting him. 

You would prefer they would have already died fighting because they had shit supplies? There was no scenario where they were surrendering to Putin peacefully and living under his thumb.

Again, we're not actually losing money supplying Ukraine with weapons. Like it or not, it definitely doesn't hurt our economy.

I agree that Russia poses no military threat that to us. Had Putin stayed in his lane, we would have just continued our adversarial relationship, no problem. But invading another sovereign country is frowned upon these days.

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ztejas

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Think we'll be in NATO in four years?

So, you voted for Kamala because she has a better understanding of NATO than Trump?

I always struggle understanding the argument. 

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3 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I'm out. Jesus y'all are stupid. 

I mean this respectfully, but you are way out of your element. There are valid arguments out there for lessening our involvement in Ukraine, but you are absolutely not making them.

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1 minute ago, ztejas said:

So, you voted for Kamala because she has a better understanding of NATO than Trump?

I always struggle understanding the argument. 

 

putin wants NATO dissolved / weakened, trump is going to pull the US out of NATO 

wouldn't be shocked at some type of trump action on US defense contractors supplying NATO countries 

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7 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Well ztejas sure shot his way to the top of the Stupidest Surly Posters rankings in a hurry. 

 

Have you never seen one of his self immolations before? Usually he is drunk though.

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I want an aggressive US first policy, beginning with streamlining operations.

No reason for both North and South Dakota, Virginia and West Virginia, North and South Carolina. Also every state should be one word. If there is no "Old" state you cannot be a "New" version.

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8 minutes ago, G650 said:

Have you never seen one of his self immolations before? Usually he is drunk though.

Oh, he is drunk. He does this on the regular. Usually with the oddest hills to die on. It is actually pretty impressive. If I knew him IRL I would try to reason with him to just not post while drunk and maybe talk him into treatment. He is that friend that always ruins a party because he falls through a coffee table. Wild.

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2 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

He is that friend that always ruins a party because he falls through a coffee table

I laughed harder at this than I should have.

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