Tracking Trump Promises

[InkaUtexas 25853]

14 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Would assume that in lieu of college credits, you'd get Trump NFT trading cards for attending classes at Trump U...

And a customized football jersey? Tailored I hope.

[WinningIsHard 4024]

1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

That’s cool. 3 from your list has already happened 

Which 3? 

[wildcat09 29338]

14 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

Which 3? 

#3

[Enchubben 5510]

Gotta say it’s pretty impressive to be able to abolish 50% of the populations rights 3 days after winning the election before he takes office. 

[Texas Jeff 1942]

8 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

26. Send astronauts to Mars.

Anyone can send astronauts to Mars.  Even Boeing got astronauts to the space station.

Kennedy made the moonshot a lot harder as soon as he started talking about getting them back. 🙂

I like the idea of this list...

[Sawbonz 27526]

1 hour ago, Enchubben said:

Gotta say it’s pretty impressive to be able to abolish 50% of the populations rights 3 days after winning the election before he takes office. 

You saying his supreme court nominees didn't lead to Dobbs?

[Texas Jeff 1942]

Last Sunday, Trump promised to put Herschel Walker in charge of US missile defense.

[dieucla98 2942]

7 hours ago, Balcones said:

 

@dieucla98 Thanks for all of the links. I think you will admit most of these aren't Trump videos or direct Trump quotes (like the above) but rather an article written on interpretation. 

 

 

No, I don't agree with that all. If you read all the links like I did, most quote Trump directly. I could have gone out and found YouTubes to corroborate the quotes in the articles but I don't have time for that shit. I did for a couple already, I'm sure I could for all if I had the time. 

At best, the 93 points have some that could be worded more tightly. But many (most) are spot on. 

[Wally Fairway 5539]

I am a Never Trumper, but this thread seems like it is losers whining about doing their best. 
There is no traction to be gained by tracking promises, it won't help picking a candidate that can win in 2028. Or who can beat JD Vance, or whoever Trump ordains to be the next candidate. 

 

[dieucla98 2942]

If we don't hold candidates to their promises, then we're just voting on brand. And brand is all smoke and mirrors. Yes, Trump won on brand and yes, this was not a policy election. But fuck, that should NOT be why we pick a president. This election and it's motives should be an exception. 

[gmr548 16575]

9 hours ago, Balcones said:

Great start.  medias+ I am sure is a solid source.  Where is this one:

Beat Kamala Harris.

What campaign promises do you believe Trump should be held to?

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

4 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

What campaign promises do you believe Trump should be held to?

Stop engaging and quoting the troll. Seriously. Ignore him.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

5 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

What campaign promises do you believe Trump should be held to?

Here's one I want to see.

[gmr548 16575]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

Here's one I want to see.

Moving EPA headquarters. Got it. Anything else?

[gmr548 16575]

3 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Stop engaging and quoting the troll. Seriously. Ignore him.

Nah, I really do want to know. If we're to accept the premise that we're not supposed to believe what Trump has said or promised - and candidly I can buy that to some degree, history has shown his word is worth roughly one Ruble - I want to know what the right set of expectations is.

 

[Hank_Hill 18785]

5 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Nah, I really do want to know. If we're to accept the premise that we're not supposed to believe what Trump has said or promised - and candidly I can buy that to some degree, history has shown his word is worth roughly one Ruble - I want to know what the right set of expectations is.

 

That freak certainly isn’t going to give them to you. 

[gmr548 16575]

Just now, Hank_Hill said:

That freak certainly isn’t going to give them to you. 

I mean, I know that's probably true but I'd love to have a framework we can look back on.

And if our resident Trump voters instead just troll and don't engage then I guess that's all you need to know.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

1 minute ago, gmr548 said:

Moving EPA headquarters. Got it. Anything else?

1) Gut the government while improving what is left. Move agencies out of Washington and find competent heads to man and restore faith in institutions. Break the neck of the elite, intelligence and bureaucratic groups rotting in the government. Shrink the size and scope of the Federal Government, especially Exec branch agencies

2) Comprehensive and permanent immigration reform. Executive orders help and will stop border crossings immediately, but we need permanent safeguards against what Biden Harris did to us.  Have a robust guest worker program.  Pathway to citizenship for hardworking contributors.  Recruit other high achievers from around the world. Deport violent criminals.

3) Secure permanent onshoring of manufacturing -- or at least bring to Latin America -- especially for critical infrastructure like tech and medicine. Lead the charge to wean is off the addiction to constant purchasing of cheap shit to a culture that will pay more once for a more quality product the way we did from post war through preNAFTA.

4) lay down the foundation for a generational dynasty of a new Republican party. Make good on promises to all the various nontraditional republican voters and try to retain them after Trump is finished. There's an incredibly bright future with a deep bench in the republican party, but it won't matter if they squander the gains they just made. I think it's imperative they secure democrats a seat at the table, even if it means some compromises. Getting bipartisan consensus on what I believe will be an incredibly successful agenda would solidify the party for a generation.

5) Repair Federal Law Enforcement . . . Remove biased DOJ and FBI administrators and prosecute any DOJ and FBI officials who have acted illegally.

6) End all DEI in federal government.  Have the EEOC issue guidance that corporate DEI programs that promote one race over another are per se violations of Title VII and will result in enforcement actions

7) Get rid of all mission creep in our military and the CDC.  Return to core missions, and not the social justice wet dream of the week

8. If constitutional, a national ID and comprehensive requirement for voter ID (have not studied constitutionality

9) Eliminate the department of education

10) Investigate and if appropriate charge under RICO, with mail and wire fraud being the predicates, if evidence is there for a criminal conspiracy with the perpetrators of lawfare.  Willis.  Smith. Bragg. Leticia James.  Anyone at DOJ that violated the law.

11) Replace Alito and Thomas on the SCOTUS and hopefully get 1 or 2 more like Roberts or Sotamayor

12) Remove gender identity from Title IX

13) Finish the wall

14) Strengthen SS and Medicare.  Compromise between raising SS cap and moving retirement age back a couple years since people are living longer.

15) Tell Ukraine we will sell you weapons, but the free ride is over.  EU countries have plenty of money and they can pay.

16) Extend tax cuts

 

 

[gmr548 16575]

2 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

1) Gut the government while improving what is left. Move agencies out of Washington and find competent heads to man and restore faith in institutions. Break the neck of the elite, intelligence and bureaucratic groups rotting in the government. Shrink the size and scope of the Federal Government, especially Exec branch agencies

2) Comprehensive and permanent immigration reform. Executive orders help and will stop border crossings immediately, but we need permanent safeguards against what Biden Harris did to us.  Have a robust guest worker program.  Pathway to citizenship for hardworking contributors.  Recruit other high achievers from around the world. Deport violent criminals.

3) Secure permanent onshoring of manufacturing -- or at least bring to Latin America -- especially for critical infrastructure like tech and medicine. Lead the charge to wean is off the addiction to constant purchasing of cheap shit to a culture that will pay more once for a more quality product the way we did from post war through preNAFTA.

4) lay down the foundation for a generational dynasty of a new Republican party. Make good on promises to all the various nontraditional republican voters and try to retain them after Trump is finished. There's an incredibly bright future with a deep bench in the republican party, but it won't matter if they squander the gains they just made. I think it's imperative they secure democrats a seat at the table, even if it means some compromises. Getting bipartisan consensus on what I believe will be an incredibly successful agenda would solidify the party for a generation.

5) Repair Federal Law Enforcement . . . Remove biased DOJ and FBI administrators and prosecute any DOJ and FBI officials who have acted illegally.

6) End all DEI in federal government.  Have the EEOC issue guidance that corporate DEI programs that promote one race over another are per se violations of Title VII and will result in enforcement actions

7) Get rid of all mission creep in our military and the CDC.  Return to core missions, and not the social justice wet dream of the week

8. If constitutional, a national ID and comprehensive requirement for voter ID (have not studied constitutionality

9) Eliminate the department of education

10) Investigate and if appropriate charge under RICO, with mail and wire fraud being the predicates, if evidence is there for a criminal conspiracy with the perpetrators of lawfare.  Willis.  Smith. Bragg. Leticia James.  Anyone at DOJ that violated the law.

11) Replace Alito and Thomas on the SCOTUS and hopefully get 1 or 2 more like Roberts or Sotamayor

12) Remove gender identity from Title IX

13) Finish the wall

14) Strengthen SS and Medicare.  Compromise between raising SS cap and moving retirement age back a couple years since people are living longer.

15) Tell Ukraine we will sell you weapons, but the free ride is over.  EU countries have plenty of money and they can pay.

16) Extend tax cuts

 

 

Thanks for dropping this. I have a few clarifying questions I don't have time to lay out right now (about to log off) but I'll come back to it. 

Of course I think there's a good bit of bad policy in here but genuinely, I really am interested in having an agreed-upon rubric of what is, and notably, isn't - there's nothing in here on trade and the immigration point is quite backtracked from Trump's own rhetoric - something we should expect or hold Trump to. I think we all benefit from clarity there.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

33 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

1) Gut the government while improving what is left. Move agencies out of Washington and find competent heads to man and restore faith in institutions. Break the neck of the elite, intelligence and bureaucratic groups rotting in the government. Shrink the size and scope of the Federal Government, especially Exec branch agencies

2) Comprehensive and permanent immigration reform. Executive orders help and will stop border crossings immediately, but we need permanent safeguards against what Biden Harris did to us.  Have a robust guest worker program.  Pathway to citizenship for hardworking contributors.  Recruit other high achievers from around the world. Deport violent criminals.

3) Secure permanent onshoring of manufacturing -- or at least bring to Latin America -- especially for critical infrastructure like tech and medicine. Lead the charge to wean is off the addiction to constant purchasing of cheap shit to a culture that will pay more once for a more quality product the way we did from post war through preNAFTA.

4) lay down the foundation for a generational dynasty of a new Republican party. Make good on promises to all the various nontraditional republican voters and try to retain them after Trump is finished. There's an incredibly bright future with a deep bench in the republican party, but it won't matter if they squander the gains they just made. I think it's imperative they secure democrats a seat at the table, even if it means some compromises. Getting bipartisan consensus on what I believe will be an incredibly successful agenda would solidify the party for a generation.

5) Repair Federal Law Enforcement . . . Remove biased DOJ and FBI administrators and prosecute any DOJ and FBI officials who have acted illegally.

6) End all DEI in federal government.  Have the EEOC issue guidance that corporate DEI programs that promote one race over another are per se violations of Title VII and will result in enforcement actions

7) Get rid of all mission creep in our military and the CDC.  Return to core missions, and not the social justice wet dream of the week

8. If constitutional, a national ID and comprehensive requirement for voter ID (have not studied constitutionality

9) Eliminate the department of education

10) Investigate and if appropriate charge under RICO, with mail and wire fraud being the predicates, if evidence is there for a criminal conspiracy with the perpetrators of lawfare.  Willis.  Smith. Bragg. Leticia James.  Anyone at DOJ that violated the law.

11) Replace Alito and Thomas on the SCOTUS and hopefully get 1 or 2 more like Roberts or Sotamayor

12) Remove gender identity from Title IX

13) Finish the wall

14) Strengthen SS and Medicare.  Compromise between raising SS cap and moving retirement age back a couple years since people are living longer.

15) Tell Ukraine we will sell you weapons, but the free ride is over.  EU countries have plenty of money and they can pay.

16) Extend tax cuts

 

 

And you wonder why we think you are a racist and a misogynist. 

Also, in 2017, Trump had the White House and both houses of Congress and did nothing on #2. 

On social security, actually, right now, people are living shorter lives. So...

There is also a lot of really harmful shit here. Then again, what I would expect from you. You are the prototypical American Christian. 

Edited November 9 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[Frank Drebin 5654]

31 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

And you wonder why we think you are a racist and a misogynist. 

Also, in 2017, Trump had the White House and both houses of Congress and did nothing on #2. 

On social security, actually, right now, people are living shorter lives. So...

There is also a lot of really harmful shit here. Then again, what I would expect from you. You are the prototypical American Christian. 

I thought you had me on ignore? 

I wouldn’t entertain a person like you for two seconds in real life.  But since you expressed your opinion on me allow me to retort:

I really don’t give a fuck about your opinion of me. You come off as a sad and lonely femcel who needs to update the dose of whatever psyche meds you’re assuredly on.  Now go ahead and neg me.  I’m sure it will be one of your daily 50 plus neg reactions.  

[DaysOff 7943]

Four major tax cuts since 2001 all by Republican presidents that ballooned the debt and didn't fix the fundamental problems of American capitalize such as wages not keeping up with inflation and wealth gaps. Fuck it; let's do a fifth which also won't solve the problem. People will see a few extra bucks per pay period for doritos, but will continue to fall further behind. The party in power was going to lose this election, trump or not. 

[Frank Drebin 5654]

This shit will be addressed.  Playtime is over motherfuckers. 
 

 

[WinningIsHard 4024]

1 hour ago, gmr548 said:

Nah, I really do want to know. If we're to accept the premise that we're not supposed to believe what Trump has said or promised - and candidly I can buy that to some degree, history has shown his word is worth roughly one Ruble - I want to know what the right set of expectations is.

 

Honest question, trump hatred aside, is there a politician you find to be honest? One you would count on their word if your life depended on it? Varying degrees of POS I completely understand but it seems like the consensus is Trump is evil but pelosi/biden/obama (just as example) are pretty good people. That seems crazy, to make it in DC for 40-50 years like Biden and pelosi have you can’t tell me their souls are intact with a straight face. I could be way off but I think all politicians suck and some suck much worse. 

[Balcones 317]

Straight from his campaign site:

 https://www.donaldjtrump.com/platform
 

1

SEAL THE BORDER AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION

2

CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY

3

END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN

4

MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!

5

STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER

6

LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!

7

DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

8

PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA

9

END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

10

STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS

11

REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.

12

STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD

13

KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD'S RESERVE CURRENCY

14

FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE

15

CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS

16

CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR CHILDREN

17

KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS

18

DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN

19

SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS, AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP

20

UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

4 minutes ago, Balcones said:

Straight from his campaign site:

 https://www.donaldjtrump.com/platform
 

1

SEAL THE BORDER AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION

2

CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY

3

END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN

4

MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!

5

STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER

6

LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!

7

DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

8

PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA

9

END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

10

STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS

11

REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.

12

STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD

13

KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD'S RESERVE CURRENCY

14

FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE

15

CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS

16

CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR CHILDREN

17

KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS

18

DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN

19

SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS, AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP

20

UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS

SEAL THE BORDER AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION

He had the opportunity to do this in 2017. He didn't. Congress didn't. Won't happen.

CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY

FAFO. His boy Elon Musk should be the first one to go since he lied on his citizenship application.

END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN

Most of Trump's economic policies are inflationary. This is know. 

MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!

We already are. 

STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER

Trump outsourced his own company. LOL.

LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!

Both parties had this. But Trump is also going to give tax cuts for the rich and corporations, and most likely, like last time, let the other tax cuts expire.

DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

Donald Trump has a deep contempt for our constitution and the rule of law. Freedom of Speech does not mean freedom from all consequences. Freedom of religion means no state established religion. Given his alignment with the Christofacists, I find this to be a complete lie.

PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA

L-O-Fucking-L. Star Wars 2.0.

END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

This isn't a thing. This is becuase Trump feels like the govt was weaponized against himself. But it wasn't. He is a life long criminal. 

STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS

There is no migrant crime epidemic. Crimes are committed by Americans. Idiots.

REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.

NYC is just fine. He can go fuck himself.

STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD

It already fucking is.

KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD'S RESERVE CURRENCY

He and Elon Must are going to try their damndest to crash our economy. We will see.

FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE

Not if he puts Elon Musk in as government efficiency person. 

CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS

LOL.  Fuck Elmo.

CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR CHILDREN

Schools do not push CRT. This is fucking stupid.

KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS

This isn't even an issue. You people are fucking stupid.

DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN

So much for Freedom of Speech, right?

SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS, AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP

Elections are secure. And this shit won't happen.

You are part of a cult. Seek help.

UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS

[Balcones 317]

8 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

SEAL THE BORDER AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION

He had the opportunity to do this in 2017. He didn't. Congress didn't. Won't happen.

CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY

FAFO. His boy Elon Musk should be the first one to go since he lied on his citizenship application.

END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN

Most of Trump's economic policies are inflationary. This is know. 

MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!

We already are. 

STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER

Trump outsourced his own company. LOL.

LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!

Both parties had this. But Trump is also going to give tax cuts for the rich and corporations, and most likely, like last time, let the other tax cuts expire.

DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

Donald Trump has a deep contempt for our constitution and the rule of law. Freedom of Speech does not mean freedom from all consequences. Freedom of religion means no state established religion. Given his alignment with the Christofacists, I find this to be a complete lie.

PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA

L-O-Fucking-L. Star Wars 2.0.

END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

This isn't a thing. This is becuase Trump feels like the govt was weaponized against himself. But it wasn't. He is a life long criminal. 

STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS

There is no migrant crime epidemic. Crimes are committed by Americans. Idiots.

REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.

NYC is just fine. He can go fuck himself.

STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD

It already fucking is.

KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD'S RESERVE CURRENCY

He and Elon Must are going to try their damndest to crash our economy. We will see.

FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE

Not if he puts Elon Musk in as government efficiency person. 

CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS

LOL.  Fuck Elmo.

CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR CHILDREN

Schools do not push CRT. This is fucking stupid.

KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS

This isn't even an issue. You people are fucking stupid.

DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN

So much for Freedom of Speech, right?

SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS, AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP

Elections are secure. And this shit won't happen.

You are part of a cult. Seek help.

UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS

Stop quoting the trolls!!!

[InkaUtexas 25853]

Real question. On these two.

7) Get rid of all mission creep in our military and the CDC.  Return to core missions, and not the social justice wet dream of the week

Is guarding the border not mission creep? one of the best articles I have read on this, an essay, is called the Coup of 2012. Suggest you read it, or at least who the author was, before you go off.

 

From the platform site.

END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

Do you have examples other than legal? What about wanting the use the National Guard in instances?

 

STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD

Sorry, but seems like we are doing pretty damn good. There are things I would cut in the military, but I am of the mind set we have been since WW2 tied to the roads. (an actual quote about US Forces in Korea, and applies today.)

We have 1 potential enemy out there who could stand up to us in a non-nuke war. China. And then maybe. If it was a war between the US and either them or Russia it goes nuke fast. What else do we need to hunt down terrorists?

 

Thanks in advance.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

3 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Real question. On these two.

7) Get rid of all mission creep in our military and the CDC.  Return to core missions, and not the social justice wet dream of the week

Is guarding the border not mission creep? one of the best articles I have read on this, an essay, is called the Coup of 2012. Suggest you read it, or at least who the author was, before you go off.

 

From the platform site.

END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

Do you have examples other than legal? What about wanting the use the National Guard in instances?

 

STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD

Sorry, but seems like we are doing pretty damn good. There are things I would cut in the military, but I am of the mind set we have been since WW2 tied to the roads. (an actual quote about US Forces in Korea, and applies today.)

We have 1 potential enemy out there who could stand up to us in a non-nuke war. China. And then maybe. If it was a war between the US and either them or Russia it goes nuke fast. What else do we need to hunt down terrorists?

 

Thanks in advance.

I don’t think protecting our borders from invaders that include terrorists is mission creep.  
 

Using intelligence assets to spy on an opponent’s political campaign based on fake evidence provided by the opponent is an example of weaponizing government against people.  
 

51 former intelligence agents falsely discrediting the Hunter Biden laptop story to interfere with 2020 election is another. 

[InkaUtexas 25853]

3 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

I don’t think protecting our borders from invaders that include terrorists is mission creep.  
 

Using intelligence assets to spy on an opponent’s political campaign based on fake evidence provided by the opponent is an example of weaponizing government against people.  
 

51 former intelligence agents falsely discrediting the Hunter Biden laptop story to interfere with 2020 election is another. 

Mind trying to answer what was asked? I mean 1 or 2 is all per discussion point.

So what is mission creep? Did you look at the essay I recommended?

Thanks

[TwiceHorn 31434]

14 hours ago, Balcones said:

It was as creative as you could think of.  Now we both agree you're moronic.

It was a factual statement.

He's an orthopedic surgeon.  You're a moron.

[Incredulity 11643]

10 hours ago, Enchubben said:

Everybody moves out of the US

[Macklemore 2876]

Penelope’s list is full of shit. I will address the first Trump DID seal the border during COVID. That is a fucking fact. Look it up bitch.

[David Dennison 18837]

7 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Penelope’s list is full of shit. I will address the first Trump DID seal the border during COVID. That is a fucking fact. Look it up bitch.

Border encounters rose most of the final year of Trump's first term.

Edited November 9 by David Dennison

[linux 1660]

Which is ridiculous because border crossings are almost a direct result of economic activity, no humiliating food picking jobs and no hotel cleaning jobs means no crossings, COVID should have been the perfect storm of no border crossings because economic activity collapsed when the economy collapsed

MAGA is so stupid immigrants coming over to do shit jobs you won't do is like pinnacle winning, like I don't know how anything that would scream SUCCESS as a nation. Nope call it an existential threat because they are brainwashed by hate. And it has nothing to do with legality because they hate legal immigrants too.

Edited November 9 by linux

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

3 hours ago, Macklemore said:

Penelope’s list is full of shit. I will address the first Trump DID seal the border during COVID. That is a fucking fact. Look it up bitch.

It was a global pandemic. Every country sealed their borders as much as they could, even amongst the EU. Trump used COVID 19 as an excuse to not allow people claiming asylum due process. It wasn't a real or lasting solution. So try again.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-administration-closed-borders-migrant-children-covid-19/

What is incredibly disgusting about your stupid and hateful behavior is that if I remember your backstory, your family immigrated from Iran due to the fall of the Shah. 

Edited November 9 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[TwiceHorn 31434]

5 hours ago, Macklemore said:

Penelope’s list is full of shit. I will address the first Trump DID seal the border during COVID. That is a fucking fact. Look it up bitch.

Airtight, like you at a meth party, amirite?

Edited November 9 by TwiceHorn

[Balcones 317]

7 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Real question. On these two.

STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD

Sorry, but seems like we are doing pretty damn good. There are things I would cut in the military, but I am of the mind set we have been since WW2 tied to the roads. (an actual quote about US Forces in Korea, and applies today.)

We have 1 potential enemy out there who could stand up to us in a non-nuke war. China. And then maybe. If it was a war between the US and either them or Russia it goes nuke fast. What else do we need to hunt down terrorists?

 

Thanks in advance.

We do not have anywhere close to enough naval assets to execute the expeditionary war plan against China. China will have more ships than we do in the next year and we don’t have the industry capacity to generate what we need. Sad.

[TwiceHorn 31434]

12 minutes ago, Balcones said:

We do not have anywhere close to enough naval assets to execute the expeditionary war plan against China. China will have more ships than we do in the next year and we don’t have the industry capacity to generate what we need. Sad.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/11/05/yes-china-has-more-warships-than-the-usa-thats-because-chinese-ships-are-small/

[Balcones 317]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/11/05/yes-china-has-more-warships-than-the-usa-thats-because-chinese-ships-are-small/

You  clearly do not understand the war plan. We don’t even want the massive ships. There is no where to harbor them in our planned campaign to China. China is going to blockade. US is going to have to go to China. Very few places for us to harbor, resupply and mass an offensive with the islands we have to choose from. 

Spend a few minutes reading literally hundreds of papers/articles on the internet about our naval shortcomings in the Pacific. 

[TwiceHorn 31434]

1 minute ago, Balcones said:

US is going to have to go to China.

Which requires larger hulls.

Replenishment of a multitude of smaller hulls is even more difficult.

When and if the shit starts, we'll have plenty of westpacs offering us harbors.

And, I thought you guys were for reducing defense spending.  I mean Ukraine is such a financial horror after all.

 

[Macklemore 2876]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Airtight, like you at a meth party, amirite?

LOL. Do you remember the Remain in Mexico policy for asylum seekers? Do you remember that border crossings from Mexico were halted during COVID. Mexicans with US visas who’d cross back and forth all the time were not even allowed entry. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. 

Do you know I have  good friends in Mexico that have been waiting for over a YEAR to get a US visa to come visit. My friends are educated, wealthy people who’d spend money in our country and return home and are seeking entry LEGALLY. If they were a fucking illegal migrant they’d just be waived on through and given a bus ticket to wherever they want to go. The RGV and South Texas border counties all voted for Trump. Starr County voted for a Republican for the first time since 1892. They know what a mess the situation that Biden caused at the border by reversing Trump’s policies and are suffering from the strain of illegals pouring over and having their family and friends getting fucked over with the US visa situation.

 

Edited November 9 by Macklemore

[Balcones 317]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

When and if the shit starts, we'll have plenty of westpacs offering us harbors.

You may want to fly out to Hawaii and share your knowledge with the Indo-Pacom brass. I know they don’t have a good feeling on this.

 

[Macklemore 2876]

2 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

It was a global pandemic. Every country sealed their borders as much as they could, even amongst the EU. Trump used COVID 19 as an excuse to not allow people claiming asylum due process. It wasn't a real or lasting solution. So try again.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-administration-closed-borders-migrant-children-covid-19/

What is incredibly disgusting about your stupid and hateful behavior is that if I remember your backstory, your family immigrated from Iran due to the fall of the Shah. 

You don’t know shit about my backstory and you’re wrong as usual when it comes to facts.

[TwiceHorn 31434]

3 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

LOL. Do you remember the Remain in Mexico policy for asylum seekers? Do you remember that border crossings from Mexico were halted during COVID. Mexicans with US visas who’d cross back and forth all the time were not even allowed entry. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

Your assertion was that Trump "sealed the border."

It was false.

[Macklemore 2876]

18 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Your assertion was that Trump "sealed the border."

It was false.

Penelope claimed he hadn’t. It was the most restrictive policy that had ever been implemented and the Democrats tried to have it overturned in court but lost. Using the language your side likes to use, you’re a privileged white guy who is not 1st or 2nd generation immigrant and you do not live on the border. You talk about it in an abstract manner because you have no personal experience dealing with it. 

Edited November 9 by Macklemore

[InkaUtexas 25853]

2 hours ago, Balcones said:

We do not have anywhere close to enough naval assets to execute the expeditionary war plan against China. China will have more ships than we do in the next year and we don’t have the industry capacity to generate what we need. Sad.

Again, if we went to war with the PLA it would go nukes. Even if small tactical nukes fleets won't survive. Lets say nukes are off the table. How many carriers is enough? There is a shift in Pentagon thinking that we need newer ones, not more. IF anything smaller vessels that can run drones and the Marine F-35.

Happy to move this to the China thread and run some scenarios. I can make 3 you make 3 and we see where Carriers are the dominants force. If we are going to plant/build for every scenario might as well invade Burma, build some bases there, position a few divisions just in case.

[pacman 7354]

15 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Break the neck of the elite,

 

 

Trump has been connected to politicians his whole career, is a supposed billionaire himself. He has the backing of our country's most wealthiest individuals and favored them by a mile with his tax cuts. If Trump, Elon, Thiel, Crow, Yass, Paulson, etc aren't elites, who is this "elites" then?

[bad_teammate 13185]

I really try not to just live in the world of laughing at how stupid people like Sack are, but "my billionaire friends are going to break the necks of the elite" is pretty fun. I gotta admit it. That's a good time right there.

[aggie08 21481]

32 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I really try not to just live in the world of laughing at how stupid people like Sack are, but "my billionaire friends are going to break the necks of the elite" is pretty fun. I gotta admit it. That's a good time right there.

It's truly amazing that they can be this dumb and then get upset when they're mocked. Yes, Trump and Elon definitely care about the plight of the working man and bringing the wage gap back in check. They'll get right on punishing the elites. Reeeing about George Soros while Crow and Koch openly buy the Supreme Court. You just can't fix that level of stupid.