The Leopards Eating Faces and Unlubed Dildo of Consequences Thread

[linux 1660]

32 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

The problem is the way to win is to demonize people and make the electorate scared even though what you say is false.   To win, you must constantly lie about what you do and about what your opponent does. But most of all, to win you have to be absolutely cruel to some group that you’ve decided you will blame everything on.

That is the template for a winning strategy these last several decades.  I don’t particularly want to belong to that party, so I guess I will remain in the losing minority until I die.

This is not true dude, Imagine a Bernie style candidate that did not back Hillary Clinton in 2016? that kept going to war as a third party? she still lost but damnit that is what we needed, not somebody evil, fuck that I am not a Stalinist, but someone that is willing to adapt to the new reality and fight like hell.

In 2020 I think any in the candidate field would have been electable, we picked the old man that wanted to return to the old ways of the high road, how did that work out for us?

We need to burn the high horse, if any lesson must be learned between now and new years is that we need to burn the high horse, good can come from a foot soldier as well.

[Anastasis 23454]

17 minutes ago, G650 said:

I'd honestly appreciate if you fleshed the point out a bit more because I'm not 100% sure I am totally understanding what you are saying. Yes, it was the norm at some point, but not so much in my lifetime. What @Gatorubet wrote more closely mirrors my experience, though I was born in the 70's. The conception of what middle class life is now bears no resemblance to my childhood whatsoever.

My point is that multigenerational households are not a modern American cultural norm, and that has been particularly the case since the 1950s. To expand further, this is primarily a phenomena of white American cultural norms. To the extent that the trend has been reversing over the last couple decades, it is driven by non-white cultures and first and second generation immigrant families. Some of y'all are getting really bogged down in the reference to the 1950's American white picket fence Americana propaganda. If you don't think that propaganda existed, don't think that it influences modern Americans' perceptions of middle class ideals, or want to quibble about whether there is one car or two, we can agree to disagree, and that is ok. We are in agreement (I think) that the basic QOL components that the post-WWII American middle class was founded around are eroding and increasingly unattainable. Those QOL components are primarily achievable by high income earners today, like top 10% income earners. And that is probably cutting it thin. 

 

Edited November 8 by Anastasis

[SubliminalHorn 6779]

3 hours ago, softlynow said:

How many of us are prepared to take in a family member whose only income is SS or disability?

Did they vote for trump? If yes, lol no

[mchookem 16318]

10 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

 

[aggie08 21481]

19 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I love how all of a sudden thinking Harris would win was gaslighting.

No one knew shit about fuck.

Seriously. They're are a bunch of things to mock liberals for right now, but thinking we got "gaslit" into being optimistic about our chances for our "team" in a game where Vegas had the opponent favored -1.5? That's dumb. Nervous optimism isn't the same thing as being convinced it was in the bag. 

Even Stephen Miller, who has access to the internal data, was freaking the fuck out with the percentage of woman voting over men on Tuesday. No one knows shit until the votes are counted.

[Pato del Muerto 52484]

42 minutes ago, linux said:

While I do agree laughing at misfortune is therapeudic we need to stop with cackling, I want a party that wants to win, not a party in a high horse that thinks it is right (and yes it is 100% right). Muslims with Palestine are about to learn that hard lesson first.

You don’t win by changing your platform to be like that of the winning side. You win by convincing more people that your platform is the better platform.  Otherwise our choices are Republican and Republican also. 

[Ojo Rojo 1946]

39 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

The problem is the way to win is to demonize people and make the electorate scared even though what you say is false.   To win, you must constantly lie about what you do and about what your opponent does. But most of all, to win you have to be absolutely cruel to some group that you’ve decided you will blame everything on.

That is the template for a winning strategy these last several decades.  I don’t particularly want to belong to that party, so I guess I will remain in the losing minority until I die.

I proposed demonizing the rich and corporations.  Uneducated white middle class people can easily hate them and believe they are causing all of their problems.  We can also go all in on immigrants because they don't vote.

[SubliminalHorn 6779]

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Only kid here, with a disabled mom (though she can mostly still take care of herself), plenty of student loan debt and a mortgage I gotta pay. Kamala's proposal to have medicare cover home health care would've been a fucking godsend. Honestly, no fucking clue what I'm going to do now when my mom can no longer take care of herself. 

Ok not to rehash the election. But this is one (of many, I’m finding) area that bugged me with her campaign. She did a really shitty job explaining this. Medicare already covers home health—nurses, OT, PT, etc. what Medicare DOESN’T cover are caregivers. Caregivers are expensive and are out of pocket expenses. Another failure of hers to tie that to how it will help the average American that might be struggling with inflation on top of caregivers for their parents because they have to keep working while their parents are at home. 

[Frank Drebin 5654]

I think multigenerational households are a great idea, generally.  Grandparents can help with childcare when kids are younger.  Kids can help with care of aging parents.  Would also take pressure off the housing market.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

2 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Ok not to rehash the election. But this is one (of many, I’m finding) area that bugged me with her campaign. She did a really shitty job explaining this. Medicare already covers home health—nurses, OT, PT, etc. what Medicare DOESN’T cover are caregivers. Caregivers are expensive and are out of pocket expenses. Another failure of hers to tie that to how it will help the average American that might be struggling with inflation on top of caregivers for their parents because they have to keep working while their parents are at home. 

Caregivers are very expensive.  My grandmother is her 90s and has to have 24 hour nursing care.  She has the resources to stay independent.  But it is ridiculously expensive.

[Anastasis 23454]

1 minute ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Medicare already covers home health—nurses, OT, PT, etc. what Medicare DOESN’T cover are caregivers. Caregivers are expensive and are out of pocket expenses.

This is correct. What Medicare does not cover is "non-skilled" home health. 

[GenXer 2850]

16 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Report their ass and buy their house on the cheap.

[Gatorubet 30183]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

So one car instead of two. Got it. My point regarding the cultural social norms wrt multigenerational households is slayed. 

Really? This is exactly the sort of intellectual dishonesty that you favor that leads to your reputation here.  I said absolutely not one thing in support of or against generational households.

I merely pointed out  that your data point construct  - being a single income person supporting their family like the 1960s - was still absolutely an obtainable goal, not something false “sold” to them.  it’s just that now nobody wants that particular life. From my perspective, it was more the 1980s ‘greed is good’ philosophy, with an emphasis placed on how much you made and how nice a neighborhood you lived in that altered your little white house construct.

 If you truly wanted to be accurate, you should’ve listed the lie that spending money on college would always be a good decision.   People who became literally financially crippled through ridiculous educational debt have a right to feel hopeless and that they were lied to.    It took me six years to graduate, and I literally earned every dollar of my college degree, including tuition and living expenses.   I had to work part time while I was going to school and I took many semesters off to work as a union laborer, which made much more money than minimum wage. But I graduated with no debt, somebody that made my decision to obtain a post graduate degree financially sensible. People who owe 150 K for a philosophy degree should be angry, but should’ve had enough sense to know where that was leading.  I very much blame high school guidance counselors and universities for selling that bill of goods

Since you brought up multigenerational living, I think it is an idea that will happen of necessity rather than planning, as people will not be able to put mama in the nursing home or Assisted Living m ok  due to insufficient assets.   A combination of family assisting with a modicum of hourly caregivers is likely way less expensive. 

And of greater importance, in many cases it would result in better care for their elderly loved ones.  And I can see part of grandma or grandpa‘s Social Security being used to help pay the mortgage on that multigenerational home.  All of that is not a bad thing in my mind, as family needs to support family.

[linux 1660]

3 minutes ago, mchookem said:

 

Deporting MAGA is still moral because resources are not infinite, it is entirely possible that they start and then realize 88 Billion a year to destroy the farm industry is stupid.

However if by then only those deported were MAGA because they were accurately identified and they were the first to be processed I won't shed a tear.

@Macklemore and his brother being deported because Trump unilaterally disregarded the 14th ammendment by erasing birthplace citizenship as he has clearly promised, is a good thing only because it clogged resources even if he survives the Ayatollahs and manages to make it back, because of clogged resources resources it is a moral action.

I will still fight like hell for it to be repealed by the courts, but the damage will be done by then.

[Anastasis 23454]

5 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Really? This is exactly the sort of intellectual dishonesty that you favor that leads to your reputation here.  I said absolutely not one thing in support of or against generational households.

The exchange I have been engaged with is focussed on multigenerational households. You picked out something silly to quibble about, which is on par for your reputation.  

 

5 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Since you brought up multigenerational living, I think it is an idea that will happen of necessity rather than planning, as people will not be able to put mama in the nursing home or Assisted Living m ok  due to insufficient assets.   A combination of family assisting with a modicum of hourly caregivers is likely way less expensive. 

And of greater importance, in many cases it would result in better care for their elderly loved ones.  And I can see part of grandma or grandpa‘s Social Security being used to help pay the mortgage on that multigenerational home.  All of that is not a bad thing in my mind, as family needs to support family.

We are largely in agreement on the issue being discussed. 

Edited November 8 by Anastasis

[tx 3 putt 76862]

3 hours ago, softlynow said:

How many of us are prepared to take in a family member whose only income is SS or disability?

VA disability 

[linux 1660]

9 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

You don’t win by changing your platform to be like that of the winning side. You win by convincing more people that your platform is the better platform.  Otherwise our choices are Republican and Republican also. 

No, I find it so defeatist to expect the party that is on the high horse to change a single heart and mind, the proposal to go back to 1990s style civility is a fools errand.

I don't want to be Republican also, I want to be a populist democrat, one that fights for working rights of all races, tells Goldman Sachs to fuck off, that is not looking for endorsements from W. The idea that populism is bad is why we lose, and why we may lose for good, fuck losing dear lord lives are at stake, fuck the high horse (notice I don't say lets turn into subterrenean lizards just go on foot for fucks sakes)

[GenXer 2850]

3 minutes ago, linux said:

 

@Macklemore and his brother being deported because Trump unilaterally disregarded the 14th ammendment by erasing birthplace citizenship as he has clearly promised,

Oh, he won’t do that. We get to pick and choose which policies he’ll actually follow through on. Because reasons.

Or the GOP will stop him even though he controls the GOP purse.

[C-Man 27183]

 

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

I presume a lot, if not most, Trump voters were focused on inflation. This thread will be epic, considering:

1. Trump caused the inflation in the first place with a massive stimulus bill with trillions of corporate direct giveaways of money.

2. Tariffs are one of the most anti-Republican ideas ever, and if he follows through, inflation will move up substantially.

3. He will ignore the national debt, which happens to be one of our most serious issues, which will of course cause inflation to move upward. That also goes against Republican ideals (eventhough they run up as bad or worse deficits than Democrats).

4. The Union people that voted for Trump will soon find out about Reagan-style union busting; If Boeing could have held out for a few months Trump would have figured out how to bust up that strike somehow. The Union people are probably the dumbest Trump voters, which is quite a badge of honor.

5. People complain about the cost of housing. A good part of that is the incredible concentration of wealth in the hands of the ultra-wealthy who are basically buying up real estate all over the country.  Trump exacerbates that issue. He won't do anything about it. He also won't help young buyers, many of which were dumb enough to vote for him.

6. The Trump/Republican plans to stop pursuing anti-trust against the mega-cap tech companies will make inflation worse because they have unrestricted power to raise prices. In fact, the reduced regulation in general will increase inflation. But, you say, won't the improved corporate efficiency lead to lower prices? In a competitive market, yes. But we have too many companies with monopoly or oligopoly power.  Just a few here for everyone to think about: cell phone bills, insurance, cloud services, etc. Now to be fair to any President, it's a tough problem to solve. Because you don't want to hamstring your US companies against global competitors. As a result, you need to have a coordinated strategy among countries to reign in monopolies and oligopolies. No one on the planet will work with Trump since they all believe he is a buffoon. So that isn't a strategy for them.

7. The deportations and stricter immigration limits will cause services costs to jump up substantially, further fueling inflation.

Now, if he does a 180 degree turn and really cuts government spending, doesn't implement tariffs, doesn't restrict immigration too tightly, etc. then maybe the low inflation we have today will hold. And maybe even there could be some decent results overall. But he's driven by crowds liking him, not knowledge or ideals. And he's a complete moron who has full control over his entire party, so no one will be able to stop him from doing anything he wants.  This is not a formula for success.

There is a very good chance that in 4 years people are crushed by spiraling inflation, walking around in a daze wondering how it possibly could have gotten worse. Meanwhile wealth inequality will be even worse.

All you have to do is think about what benefits Trump the most and that is what he will without fail.

 

1 hour ago, linux said:

People don't understand that his end game was eternal presidency, our only hope is senility, how desperate are we?

I think his #1 goal was staying out of jail. He's accomplished that by winning the election. Does he want to continue to "do the job" or walk away -- if his janky right leg will allow him -- in 2028 or not, we'll see.

 

17 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

You don’t win by changing your platform to be like that of the winning side. You win by convincing more people that your platform is the better platform.  Otherwise our choices are Republican and Republican also. 

Exhibit A: Mack Brown, Texas Football 2009-Mack's firing

Edited November 8 by C-Man

[linux 1660]

Just now, GenXer said:

Oh, he won’t do that. We get to pick and choose which policies he’ll actually follow through on. Because reasons.

Or the GOP will stop him even though he controls the GOP purse.

It is a posibility but the largest probability is the he will do it, deport thousands upon thousands of innocent people and give up once reality bites him in the ass, if people that voted for him are the first to pay then it IS moral. 

[C-Man 27183]

Forgot this GIF -- I think it will get some run.

[mchookem 16318]

2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

VA disability 

ha. there's a whole lot of veteran disability support changes coming with Proj2025. that reality dawning is going to be an interesting watch. 

[linux 1660]

I think his #1 goal was staying out of jail. He's accomplished that by winning the election. Does he want to continue to "do the job" or walk away -- if his janky right leg will allow him -- in 2028 or not, we'll see.

I will agree with leaving him alone, the justice system failed, the experiment failed, how to fix it is beyond my interest right now, but ultimate high horse is over, justice died as some predicted it would, the rich are immune.

[Jive Turkey 12592]

39 minutes ago, GenXer said:

When obamacare gets repealed, and health insurance companies deny me due to my type 1 diabetes, you’re goddamn right I’m gonna laugh and make fun of maga suffering.

Gallows humor.

Reddit has a thread dedicated to Leopards eating their faces.  It will be a good source of material.

[Pancho 44685]

[mchookem 16318]

3 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

Reddit has a thread dedicated to Leopards eating their faces.  It will be a good source of material.

oh i need the link to that please...

[Chewbacca 7765]

3 hours ago, softlynow said:

How many of us are prepared to take in a family member whose only income is SS or disability?

Not me.  Fuck that.

[GenXer 2850]

5 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

Reddit has a thread dedicated to Leopards eating their faces.  It will be a good source of material.

Subscribed. The anguish is delicious.

[mchookem 16318]

LINK PLEASE

[linux 1660]

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

I actually feel bad for him if he was ignorant, but once again creating a backlog is the first priority to save the purely innocent, deport the ones that willfully voted for mass deportations as issue #1, then those that were ignorant idiots, then hopefully sanity returns and bloodthirst is satiated for it to end with a whimper. Since his parents are not citizens white supremacists will still target him as impure regardless of how he got citizenship it is best to report him to ICE early as well.

[GenXer 2850]

5 minutes ago, mchookem said:

oh i need the link to that please...

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/

[bolverk 29644]

11 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Forgot this GIF -- I think it will get some run.

For what it's worth, I have a whole library of appropriate Aubrey GIFs on hand.

[GenXer 2850]

8 minutes ago, Pancho said:

I hope they report him and his parents.

He’s gonna live in fear in his home waiting for the knock.  Watching cars when he drives. Delicious. 

[Hank_Hill 18785]

29 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Medicare already covers home health—nurses, OT, PT, etc. 

Not for long

[Sawbonz 27526]

3 hours ago, Anastasis said:

There is nothing wrong with multigenerational living situations. It's the norm in much of the world, and the norm in many demographics in the united states. Of course, it should not be a matter of an unintended outcome of policy, but policy that supports such situations when they are voluntary should absolutely be promoted.  

You mean like Biden/Harris plan to pay family members for caregiving? I’m not sure that’s on the table any more 

[mchookem 16318]

i wonder if the unexpected deportations leopard or ACA repeal leopard will eat the most faces? 🤔

 

 

 

but hey...we all agree he's a big fat liar so maybe neither! 😜

[GenXer 2850]

7 minutes ago, linux said:

I actually feel bad for him if he was ignorant, but once again creating a backlog is the first priority to save the purely innocent, deport the ones that willfully voted for mass deportations as issue #1, then those that were ignorant idiots, then hopefully sanity returns and bloodthirst is satiated for it to end with a whimper. Since his parents are not citizens white supremacists will still target him as impure regardless of how he got citizenship it is best to report him to ICE early as well.

Fuck him. He has a college degree. Spend 2 min on the google researching each candidate’s position on immigration.

Edited November 8 by GenXer

[The Dog 44017]

8 minutes ago, GenXer said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/

[Chewbacca 7765]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

5. People complain about the cost of housing. A good part of that is the incredible concentration of wealth in the hands of the ultra-wealthy who are basically buying up real estate all over the country.  Trump exacerbates that issue. He won't do anything about it. He also won't help young buyers, many of which were dumb enough to vote for him.

Housing is the biggie that is going to get more unaffordable if he follows through with his campaign promises.  Tariffs on imported materials combined with labor shortages due to his mass deportation plan?  Hello skyrocketing housing costs.  But I'm sure he'll blame Biden or Harris for it, so it's all good, right?

[linux 1660]

1 minute ago, GenXer said:

I hope they report him and his parents.

He’s gonna live in fear in his home waiting for the knock.  Watching cars when he drives. Delicious. 

Again it is not revenge it is about minimizing harm. I will derive no pleasure other than the fact that resources were wasted first on the ones that wanted this. If I could stop it in its tracks I would even if these assholes crowed about "See! nothing to fear!"

We live in the real world though, Trump promised it as a day 1 executive order item and by the time that it is stopped by screaming farmers or libertarians whining about 88 billion or the SCOTUS that sometimes does like 10% good then I hope innocent people were saved.

[Zonahorn 8079]

 

[David Dennison 18837]

36 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Ok not to rehash the election. But this is one (of many, I’m finding) area that bugged me with her campaign. She did a really shitty job explaining this. Medicare already covers home health—nurses, OT, PT, etc. what Medicare DOESN’T cover are caregivers. Caregivers are expensive and are out of pocket expenses. Another failure of hers to tie that to how it will help the average American that might be struggling with inflation on top of caregivers for their parents because they have to keep working while their parents are at home. 

It also doesn't cover long-term care. It should.

[Jive Turkey 12592]

16 minutes ago, mchookem said:

LINK PLEASE

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/

[Hank_Hill 18785]

I’m so apathetic about America in general I don’t even care about the game tomorrow. Only motivation is running train on the SEC will make the mouth breathers on Texags significantly less happy.

[GenXer 2850]

[linux 1660]

Just now, Hank_Hill said:

I’m so apathetic about America in general I don’t even care about the game tomorrow. Only motivation is running train on the SEC will make the mouth breathers on Texags significantly less happy.

Same, finding out both our QBs support Trump is making me even less interested in victory.

[Hank_Hill 18785]

1 minute ago, linux said:

Same, finding out both our QBs support Trump is making me even less interested in victory.

Yea I mean that’s always been a given but I feel ya

[aggie08 21481]

1 minute ago, linux said:

Same, finding out both our QBs support Trump is making me even less interested in victory.

I would suggest not being in the getting caught up with what athletes think business, or you're usually going to wind up disappointed.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

3 minutes ago, linux said:

Same, finding out both our QBs support Trump is making me even less interested in victory.

I knew they were great American patriots!

[GenXer 2850]

46 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

I think multigenerational households are a great idea, generally.  Grandparents can help with childcare when kids are younger.  Kids can help with care of aging parents.  Would also take pressure off the housing market.

And grandpa has on foxnews all day. I see what you’re trying to do there. Very sly. 🙂