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InkaUtexas
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Had a fun run in today. Well not really fun. Sad. The interpreter I mentioned I was excited was going to vote called me. He voted Trump. Was rubbing my face in it. How he only supports winners, etc. S

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I voted in a way that was against my self interest but which I thought was better for the country. I am now being laughed at and mocked by a bunch of online morons who probably aren't as well off as I

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how much lumber do we import from Canada?  Hello, housing costs!

maybe a tree or two.

I live near a few railroads. See the trains daily coming from the south. Full of truck and car chassis. yeah, cars might go up a bit.

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I'm gonna load up on little green nerf footballs from amazon. This time next year I'll haul 'em to my old hometown in east Texas and sell them as avocados. The guacamole at Ta'Molly's won't taste that much different for them anyways. Meanwhile I'll slip into Trump's favorite tax bracket. 

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On 11/22/2024 at 1:38 PM, Guadaloopy said:

Marcus Aurelius had a dream that was Rome, Proximo.

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We're a long way from Marcus Aurelius. If you go by descriptions in the historical records Trump is an almost carbon copy of Nero. Right down to the insane narcissist delusions. 

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Canada is our largest trading partner, Mexico is second. We did about 910 billion in trade with Canada in 2023 and 800 billion in trade from Mexico, so 6.4 percent of our GDP comes directly from trade with those nations. We import 90% of our avocados from Mexico and 12.7 billion board feet of Canadian lumber yearly. Our vegetables in the wintertime mostly come from Mexico. If we slap a 25% tariff on Mexican goods, folks are going to start paying a shit ton more for their vegetables. Not to mention the people who get laid off because Mexico starts slapping tariffs on our goods going to their country and Mexicans respond by not buying it or not buying as much of it. Not to mention creating more poor people in Mexico because our shoppers will quit buying as much of their produce. 








 

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7 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

 

Mira, es facil. Nos vamos a mexico, compramos botas, y lo vendemos SIN pagar impuestos en la frontera. Cuando tenemos mas plata los hacemos todo los dias. hasta nos vamos a DeeFe o buscar la mierda cara. tu sabes, lo que usan lo plasticos.

Y buen idea carne asada, metemos cerveza adentro de las botas. y tequila lo bebemos.

Tengo un primo. el tiene botas.

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Come on boys. We don’t want any trouble in here- not in any language. 

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10 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Dude, those "takes" are factual.  For good reasons and bad, the wheels of justice move slowly.

It's not some opinion.  And it certainly wasn't offered in defense of Trump.

I did not say they were not "factual."

-- I said they were "laughable."

I did not say they were "in defense of Trump."

-- But all those patient, reassuring, thoughtful well-reasoned posts were, in effect, a mirage in defense of the Wheels of Justice system.

When it was becoming 100% obvious that the "Wheels of Justice" were never touching Trump.

See, you studied Law (and other good stuff, I am sure) and are a smart dude and good, all-around well-meaning guy.

And I studied Philosophy (including Philosophy of Law). And I learned to cut to the core of issues. 

And I know that all the facts, evidence, logic, and legal reasoning in the world ... will never matter when confronting a cult and culture committed to NON-facts, ANTI-evidence, ILLogic, and utter and total UNreason. Patiently playing by "the rules" fails when the other side ignores all rules ... ever faster and faster. 

We were facing a constitutional emergency. Drastic, decisive, lawful action was needed. Rules followed, but processes and procedures moving fast. And Biden, Garland, Smith, et al, patiently committed themselves to an epic fail. All in slow motion.

Secular democracy is on its last gasp... and may well dissolve into all-out fascism and theocracy.

But I am sure we can all sleep well .... knowing the good ole Wheels of Justice tried hard and played by the rules, but must always moves slowly.

 And now we have a cult of rulers committed to no rules and total UNREASON -- the new ruling ideology across America.

And, as seen with the Supreme Court and MAGA judges, ILLOGIC and UNREASON are fast becoming the dominant legal philosophy.

Leopards coming?

(Maybe not for you, but coming for many. How long before Trump-MAGA go after the ACLU and other legal organizations and nonprofits that challenge the new regime?)

 

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4 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

I did not say they were not "factual."

-- I said they were "laughable."

I did not say they were "in defense of Trump."

-- But all those patient, reassuring, thoughtful well-reasoned posts were, in effect, a mirage in defense of the Wheels of Justice system.

When it was becoming 100% obvious that the "Wheels of Justice" were never touching Trump.

See, you studied Law (and other good stuff, I am sure) and are a smart dude and good, all-around well-meaning guy.

And I studied Philosophy (including Philosophy of Law). And I learned to cut to the core of issues. 

And I know that all the facts, evidence, logic, and reason in the world ... will never matter when confronting a cult and culture committed to NON-facts, ANTI-evidence, ILLogic, and utter and total UNreason. Patiently playing by "the rules" fails when the other side ignores all rules ... ever faster and faster. 

We were facing a constitutional emergency. Drastic, decisive action was needed. Rules followed, but processes and procedures moving fast. And Biden, Garland, Smith, et al, patiently committed themselves to an epic fail. All in slow motion.

Secular democracy is on its last gasp... and may well dissolve into all-out fascism and theocracy.

But I am sure we can all sleep well .... knowing the good ole Wheels of Justice tried hard and played by the rules, but must always moves slowly.

 And now we have a cult of rulers committed to no rules and total UNREASON -- the new ruling ideology across America.

And, as seen with the Supreme Court and MAGA judges, ILLOGIC and UNREASON are fast becoming the dominant legal philosophy.

Leopards coming?

(Maybe not for you, but coming for many. How long before Trump goes after the ACLU and other legal organizations?)

 

What was laughable was any belief that the justice system would produce final convictions in less than four years.  Actually the opposite of your "laughable take."

I'm guilty of indulging in that fantasy.

Still, more than any other institution we have, especially those adjacent politics, the justice system is fact-based and thus not a place where Trump will fare well, as evidenced by those recent trial losses that were unaffected by the immunity ruling, or mostly so.

But the proximate cause of the failure to hold Trump accountable was the electorate, not the justice system.  Trump's flooding the zone with horseshit only works to delay the justice system, it doesn't turn it on its head.

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7 hours ago, NorthLoop said:

I'm gonna load up on little green nerf footballs from amazon. This time next year I'll haul 'em to my old hometown in east Texas and sell them as avocados. The guacamole at Ta'Molly's won't taste that much different for them anyways. Meanwhile I'll slip into Trump's favorite tax bracket. 

The only Ta'Molly's I'm aware of was in Abilene but it closed like fifteen years ago. Are there others still open?? Lmao

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16 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Whelp, any of you fellas that invested in southeast pine forest land, you’re prolly feeling pretty good today.  
 

 

Tariffs on Canadian lumber importation are gonna do a number on homebuilding.  Unfortunately, I got out of the timber-owning business a couple of years ago.

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7 hours ago, NorthLoop said:

I'm gonna load up on little green nerf footballs from amazon. This time next year I'll haul 'em to my old hometown in east Texas and sell them as avocados. The guacamole at Ta'Molly's won't taste that much different for them anyways. Meanwhile I'll slip into Trump's favorite tax bracket. 

Holy shit - are you from Sulphur Springs or Paris?

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I don't really understand the tariff angle trump seems to be leaning in on. He is already elected, why isn't leaning into it further now that people looked at it beyond owning the libs and now understand it would actually be bad? 

Is this part of the Nazi thing? Full on nationalism we don't need anyone else we can make everything in America? 

I watched a really interesting documentary about shrimp of all things and how Louisiana and Texas shrimping in the gulf has been hugely negatively impacted by mainly India and Ecuador imports of farm raised shitty shrimp. The need for protections for some of the domestic product like this are necessary but its also reality that 90%+ of all shrimp demand/consumption is on imported shrimp and no domestic wild caught production could actually meet the needs. 

I also learned about garlic which has a similar problem, but from California instead of abroad. Same deal, a large majority of garlic demand cannot possibly be serviced domestically. It seems like these non commodity goods which are consumption based are losing their value at the producer while the value chain remains the same or worse. The garlic producers that survived moved further vertical in the product chain, similar to the shrimp docs that have long term contracts for demand for restaurants that refuse to do import shrimp at their restaurants. To be clear gulf shrimp which are a far superior product to imported shit are the same price or sometimes lower per lb than farm raised ass tier garbage brought in from India. 

Its overall a good thing economically if HEB saves the gulf shrimping industry by vertically integrating production into distribution, sales and possibly even final product (ready to eat meals), but it shows that unless you have the scale and demand captured you can't protect these SMB style means of production. The aggregate production can't be the only thing that matters to people, because it ruins the actual value of the domestically produced product

Same thing with tools, cars, whatever. Tarrifs don't solve for the missing portion of production that cant possibly satiate demand just in the US. 

Whatever. None of this makes sense and in such an obviously damaging way that I'm trying to understand the strategy behind it. 

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The real kicker for domestic agriculture and fishing is that climate change is gonna make previously arable regions into poor farmland, and the gulf will soon not be hospitable to the lifecycle of most sea life. 

Turns out water temps matter, and dumping all the waste we do into the gulf has deleterious effects on the ecology. 

Hell, there's barely any trout in the gulf anymore these days. The cycle of intense winter freeze followed by brutally hot summer has led to a bunch of fish kills each year

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The real kicker for domestic agriculture and fishing is that climate change is gonna make previously arable regions into poor farmland, and the gulf will soon not be hospitable to the lifecycle of most sea life. 

The more consolidation in the world of Big Food the more I worry about a massive climate related crop failure that leads to an actual, real famine.

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The more consolidation in the world of Big Food the more I worry about a massive climate related crop failure that leads to an actual, real famine.

Gilded age, dust bowl, rise of domestic fascism? 

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11 minutes ago, immamac said:

I don't really understand the tariff angle trump seems to be leaning in on. He is already elected, why isn't leaning into it further now that people looked at it beyond owning the libs and now understand it would actually be bad? 

 

 

See, that's what you get for thinking.

 

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, immamac said:

I don't really understand the tariff angle trump seems to be leaning in on. He is already elected, why isn't leaning into it further now that people looked at it beyond owning the libs and now understand it would actually be bad? 

Is this part of the Nazi thing? Full on nationalism we don't need anyone else we can make everything in America? 

I watched a really interesting documentary about shrimp of all things and how Louisiana and Texas shrimping in the gulf has been hugely negatively impacted by mainly India and Ecuador imports of farm raised shitty shrimp. The need for protections for some of the domestic product like this are necessary but its also reality that 90%+ of all shrimp demand/consumption is on imported shrimp and no domestic wild caught production could actually meet the needs. 

I also learned about garlic which has a similar problem, but from California instead of abroad. Same deal, a large majority of garlic demand cannot possibly be serviced domestically. It seems like these non commodity goods which are consumption based are losing their value at the producer while the value chain remains the same or worse. The garlic producers that survived moved further vertical in the product chain, similar to the shrimp docs that have long term contracts for demand for restaurants that refuse to do import shrimp at their restaurants. To be clear gulf shrimp which are a far superior product to imported shit are the same price or sometimes lower per lb than farm raised ass tier garbage brought in from India. 

Its overall a good thing economically if HEB saves the gulf shrimping industry by vertically integrating production into distribution, sales and possibly even final product (ready to eat meals), but it shows that unless you have the scale and demand captured you can't protect these SMB style means of production. The aggregate production can't be the only thing that matters to people, because it ruins the actual value of the domestically produced product

Same thing with tools, cars, whatever. Tarrifs don't solve for the missing portion of production that cant possibly satiate demand just in the US. 

Whatever. None of this makes sense and in such an obviously damaging way that I'm trying to understand the strategy behind it. 

I don;t want to oversimplify it, but one must always remember that Trump is a dolt when it comes to business. So it stands to reason he has zero understanding of tariffs. 

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2 hours ago, BevoAbyss said:

I did not say they were not "factual."

-- I said they were "laughable."

I did not say they were "in defense of Trump."

-- But all those patient, reassuring, thoughtful well-reasoned posts were, in effect, a mirage in defense of the Wheels of Justice system.

When it was becoming 100% obvious that the "Wheels of Justice" were never touching Trump.

See, you studied Law (and other good stuff, I am sure) and are a smart dude and good, all-around well-meaning guy.

And I studied Philosophy (including Philosophy of Law). And I learned to cut to the core of issues. 

And I know that all the facts, evidence, logic, and legal reasoning in the world ... will never matter when confronting a cult and culture committed to NON-facts, ANTI-evidence, ILLogic, and utter and total UNreason. Patiently playing by "the rules" fails when the other side ignores all rules ... ever faster and faster. 

We were facing a constitutional emergency. Drastic, decisive, lawful action was needed. Rules followed, but processes and procedures moving fast. And Biden, Garland, Smith, et al, patiently committed themselves to an epic fail. All in slow motion.

Secular democracy is on its last gasp... and may well dissolve into all-out fascism and theocracy.

But I am sure we can all sleep well .... knowing the good ole Wheels of Justice tried hard and played by the rules, but must always moves slowly.

 And now we have a cult of rulers committed to no rules and total UNREASON -- the new ruling ideology across America.

And, as seen with the Supreme Court and MAGA judges, ILLOGIC and UNREASON are fast becoming the dominant legal philosophy.

Leopards coming?

(Maybe not for you, but coming for many. How long before Trump-MAGA go after the ACLU and other legal organizations and nonprofits that challenge the new regime?)

 

I'm a lawdog, and here's the thing: you are not wrong.  Which has actually been the primary point behind my the alarm bells I've been ringing for the past decade.

The Rule of Law, for as much as we rely on it, describe this huge body of work, etc.....is incredibly fragile.  Because it is nothing more than a compact, an agreement.  You and I both agree that if we make a contract and one of us breaches it, the other party can go to court and get a judgment.  Then, that party can take that judgment and file other papers, and end up owning some of your property to pay that judgment.  It's all papers, and people moving stuff around based on an agreement that those processes mean something.  Courts issue "writs" to make people do things.  They don't show up with clubs and beat you into submission to make you do something.

But when one party/side simply opts out of The Rule of Law.....it's over.  It's done.  Because the only option other than The Rule of Law is The Rule of Force/the Gun.

The Rule of Law is ill-equipped to deal with someone who 1) opts out of The Rule of Law and 2) has enough power/backing to get away with it.  Donald Trump has violated the law, and when The Rule of Law says "no, you have to obey the law," stood there defiantly with his hands on his hips and said "make me."  And, importantly, he's had the backing of a shitload of powerful people -- and nearly half the country's voters -- in his stance.  The thing is, those idiots think they have "won."  No.  What they have done is taken an incredibly dangerous step down the road of installing "Rule of the Gun" in place of The Rule of Law.  And in this moment, they like it because they feel like they have the power.  And in this moment, they may be right.  But that's the problem with the Rule of the Gun....who the "prevailing party" will be changes with the wind, and with whoever has the most guns on a given day.  The Rule of Law provides a measure of certainty and predictability.  And certainty and predictability are the foundation of a functioning society and thriving economy.

There is a world where, if you fail to pay me the $1 million you owe me, I can sue you and get a judgment, and collect on my judgment.  Knowing that, both parties to our deal behave accordingly, and generally stick with the deal, providing predictability and a free flow of commerce.

There is another world where, if you fail to pay me the $1 million you owe me, I tell you to pay me, and you stand there with your armed goons and tell me "fuck off, if you try to make me pay, I'll shoot you."  That injects significant uncertainty into the process, and the free flow of commerce will take a huge hit.  I'm not going to do deals with people if I can't assure that they will pay me.  So either we have to find some other mechanism to ensure payment, or I need to hire more and better-armed goons than my contract counterparty has, which is a significant added cost, and its own wildcard.

TLDR: by opting out of The Rule of Law, the American Right is taking a huge step towards crippling our society and economy as we know them.  They think they're winning because they have this delicious roast goose in front of them and can taunt their opponent who has an empty table, when in reality, they are killing the golden goose that provides prosperity for everyone.

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Shit is about to get real:

Shares of Constellation Brands fell 4% in morning trading after President-elect Donald Trump announced plans to place a 25% tariff on Mexican imports once he’s inaugurated.

Constellation imports all of its beer from Mexico, including Modelo and Corona. Beer accounted for 86% of Constellation’s sales in the first half of its fiscal year.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/26/trump-tariff-modelo-corona-constellation-brands.html

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don't really understand the tariff angle trump seems to be leaning in on. He is already elected, why isn't leaning into it further now that people looked at it beyond owning the libs and now understand it would actually be bad? 

It’s because he’s stupid and he doesn’t believe anyone who is explaining the consequences 

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