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I thought it was the lack of a loaded chamber indicator (sufficient to satisfy CalDOJ) so they were not submitted. I was unaware of any drop test issues for any models of the Glocks and don't understand why the newer ones would fare worse than the older Gen 3 design. 

When I was looking for a certain Sig, I was told that it wasn't available in CA because it hadn't been submitted for drop testing, and that other pistols were unavailable for the same reason. That was from the gun department manager at Turners.  He might be full of shit, and I'm no expert.  

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5 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

When I was looking for a certain Sig, I was told that it wasn't available in CA because it hadn't been submitted for drop testing, and that other pistols were unavailable for the same reason. That was from the gun department manager at Turners.  He might be full of shit, and I'm no expert.  

New manufacturers are not submitting handguns because of the microstamping requirement which has been a big pinch point. 

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1 hour ago, BHMCruiser said:

Debating the NRA and its efforts, or the fruits of those efforts (like, for example, Bruen) is probably a pointless exercise. You and I can just agree to disagree on that. 

Well, fair enough, but I mentioned you and Flatty because we have an interest/hobby in common and since the Gun Owners thread probably isn’t the  place when there’s a point of contention, this will have to do. 
That said- we certainly do disagree. I don’t see Bruen as a win for Gun owners, full stop, and I don’t see how playing footsie with Russian spies or funneling Russian money into our elections, or spending members money on yachts and hookers represents gun owners either. 
 

 

1 hour ago, BHMCruiser said:

Even if Trump is, at best, agnostic on guns, he is not actively hostile to them at the highest level like the Biden administration was. If you are naive enough to fall for Kamala's lies about owning a type of gun she advocated banning in California and her pandering about using one to defend herself, then.....okay. 

I'm not a fan of Bondi, especially on guns, but I cannot parse your doomsday comment on the destruction of the constitution. I can tell you that people in Trump's inner circle are very big on gun rights and will have some positive influence there. Will it be perfect? Probably not. But maybe your idea of trading suppressors for red flags will have some chance of coming true. 

 

Here’s what I think: you’re betting that you can be in a transactional relationship with a counterparty who breaks deals with everyone and routinely violates the terms of the ones he does keep. And maybe you can, short term, but the man literally put taking guns without due process on the table. Can you explain to me, in my well-known and profound naïveté how you can be sure that Harris does not own the gun she owns and has mentioned several times going back to when she was a DA. Why wouldn’t she own a gun? 

No offense, but the projection here is off the charts. Of course she owns a gun. It’s same reason I own one (or in my case more than 10, but will always have a at least one), and probably the same reason you will too.

And given your involvement in the issue, the fact that you give Donald Trump,of all people, the benefit of the doubt is pretty telling. 

 

 

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Well, fair enough, but I mentioned you and Flatty because we have an interest/hobby in common and since the Gun Owners thread probably isn’t the  place when there’s a point of contention, this will have to do. 
That said- we certainly do disagree. I don’t see Bruen as a win for Gun owners, full stop, and I don’t see how playing footsie with Russian spies or funneling Russian money into our elections, or spending members money on yachts and hookers represents gun owners either. 
 

 

Here’s what I think: you’re betting that you can be in a transactional relationship with a counterparty who breaks deals with everyone and routinely violates deals he makes. And maybe you can, short term, but the man literally put taking guns without due process on the table. Can you explain to me, in my well-known and profound naïveté how you can be sure that Harris does not own the gun she owns and has mentioned several times going back to when she was a DA. Why wouldn’t she own a gun? 

No offense, but the projection here is off the charts. Of course she owns a gun. It’s same reason I own one (or in my case more than 10, but will always have a at least one), and probably the same reason you will too.

And given your involvement in the issue, the fact that you give Donald Trump,of all people, the benefit of the doubt is pretty telling. 

 

 

You don't think Bruen is a win for gun owners? Okay

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9 minutes ago, BHMCruiser said:

Also I would not be surprised to discover Sig is concerned about the P320 and the drop testing, but I'm speculating. 

You still haven’t backed up your unsubstantiated claim about Biden being hostile towards guns for the last four years.

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I’d love to get Brisket’s take on this, but in my opinion calling Bruen a win for gun owners is like calling January 6th a win for voters. 

I don't get that analogy. Bruen struck down a near total ban on carrying handguns outside the home for self-defense. It did so by holding that any restriction on the keeping and/or bearing of firearms must be rooted in the text of the Second Amendment and the historical tradition of American firearm regulation. This standard is more exacting even than strict scrutiny. During a panel discussion last year at a judicial conference the question the judges had was "what gun control regulation CAN survive this test," and the answer was "certainly the one at issue in Rahimi, and likely felon in possession, but after that we will have to see." 

I have trouble seeing the flip side of the coin where it was a loss for gun owners but you're a thoughtful guy so I will listen. 

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I don't get that analogy. Bruen struck down a near total ban on carrying handguns outside the home for self-defense. It did so by holding that any restriction on the keeping and/or bearing of firearms must be rooted in the text of the Second Amendment and the historical tradition of American firearm regulation. This standard is more exacting even than strict scrutiny. During a panel discussion last year at a judicial conference the question the judges had was "what gun control regulation CAN survive this test," and the answer was "certainly the one at issue in Rahimi, and likely felon in possession, but after that we will have to see." 

I have trouble seeing the flip side of the coin where it was a loss for gun owners but you're a thoughtful guy so I will listen. 

I’ll defer to the lawyers on the niceties, but in my opinion the decision is so outside the bounds of the history, precedent and the plain meaning of the texts involved, and the test it imposes is so absurdly subjective and nonsensical that it essentially means that future courts should feel encouraged to cherry pick whatever bits and bobs of history they wish, to serve whatever faction they feel most attached to at that moment. 

Thus- capture the capital and you can pick the president you want, capture the court and you can pick your laws, voters be damned. 

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I’ll defer to the lawyers on the niceties, but in my opinion the decision is so outside the bounds of the history, precedent and the plain meaning of the texts involved, and the test it imposes is so absurdly subjective and nonsensical that it essentially means that future courts should feel encouraged to cherry pick whatever bits and bobs of history they wish, to serve whatever faction they feel most attached to at that moment. 

Thus- capture the capital and you can pick the president you want, capture the court and you can pick your laws, voters be damned. 

Got it. You mean it's a loss for gunowners in a sort of geo-political sense. I get that. I personally think the Dobbs decision really undermines the Bruen decision and the Heller decision and at best gives the impression that it's all just voting based on political preference and the next court can do whatever it wants until we all just shoot each other with California-compliant Austrian-made Generation 3 Glocks.

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So you were lying?

fuck off

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Got it. You mean it's a loss for gunowners in a sort of geo-political sense. I get that. I personally think the Dobbs decision really undermines the Bruen decision and the Heller decision and at best gives the impression that it's all just voting based on political preference and the next court can do whatever it wants until we all just shoot each other with California-complaint Austrian-made Generation 3 Glocks.

I’m a Gen5 guy myself, other than the trigger.

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Got it. You mean it's a loss for gunowners in a sort of geo-political sense. I get that. I personally think the Dobbs decision really undermines the Bruen decision and the Heller decision and at best gives the impression that it's all just voting based on political preference and the next court can do whatever it wants until we all just shoot each other with California-compliant Austrian-made Generation 3 Glocks.

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I’ll defer to the lawyers on the niceties, but in my opinion the decision is so outside the bounds of the history, precedent and the plain meaning of the texts involved, and the test it imposes is so absurdly subjective and nonsensical that it essentially means that future courts should feel encouraged to cherry pick whatever bits and bobs of history they wish, to serve whatever faction they feel most attached to at that moment. 

Thus- capture the capital and you can pick the president you want, capture the court and you can pick your laws, voters be damned. 

Republicans were already there before Bruen. They just needed to get Kennedy out of there.

In Rahimi, the Court basically admits that Bruen was too rigid. The 5th Circuit followed Bruen and concluded that since wife beaters used to legally arm themselves back then, they obviously can now. All but Thomas saw the flaw in the Bruen framework, and said it was more a general guideline (like the Pirate's Code) than a real judical test.

The Court, like the country in general, is no longer a serious entity.

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32 minutes ago, softlynow said:

Republicans were already there before Bruen. They just needed to get Kennedy out of there.

In Rahimi, the Court basically admits that Bruen was too rigid. The 5th Circuit followed Bruen and concluded that since wife beaters used to legally arm themselves back then, they obviously can now. All but Thomas saw the flaw in the Bruen framework, and said it was more a general guideline (like the Pirate's Code) than a real judical test.

The Court, like the country in general, is no longer a serious entity.

Well said.

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All of these things were so obvious. Even just a quick google search would’ve done it. My only guess is that these people must literally only get information from social media. 

There are a lot of really dumb people out there who cannot think five minutes into the future. Anyone who can saw it coming.
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All of these things were so obvious. Even just a quick google search would’ve done it. My only guess is that these people must literally only get information from social media. 

The vast majority of the electorate is comprised of low information dumb fuck simpletons. 

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WTF???? So Trump is gonna be worse than Biden for Palestine?!

Yes, you idiot.

Biden did the best he could with a bad situation.  He doesn't run Israel.  True story.  The Palestinians fucked up and gave a war criminal with a very powerful military the nearly complete support of his own people to go and exterminate them.  It's the epitome of FAFO.  What was Biden supposed to do, invade Israel to make them stop shelling Gaza?

And by the way, Trump is gonna be worse than Biden for literally every person on the planet other than Trump and maybe Don, Jr.  That's it.  Trump doesn't even like most of his own family.  And did you not hear the parade of pretty much everyone who's ever worked with Trump warning us about the dangers of him getting another term?  No, of course you didn't.  Why would you ever watch the news?

You thought Trump would be better for Gaza than Biden?  Oh you sweet, stupid summer child.

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Yes, you idiot.

Biden did the best he could with a bad situation.  He doesn't run Israel.  True story.  The Palestinians fucked up and gave a war criminal with a very powerful military the nearly complete support of his own people to go and exterminate them.  It's the epitome of FAFO.  What was Biden supposed to do, invade Israel to make them stop shelling Gaza?

And by the way, Trump is gonna be worse than Biden for literally every person on the planet other than Trump and maybe Don, Jr.  That's it.  Trump doesn't even like most of his own family.  And did you not hear the parade of pretty much everyone who's ever worked with Trump warning us about the dangers of him getting another term?  No, of course you didn't.  Why would you ever watch the news?

You thought Trump would be better for Gaza than Biden?  Oh you sweet, stupid summer child.

yep. Tiffany is turbo-fucked. 

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There are a lot of really dumb people out there who cannot think five minutes into the future. Anyone who can saw it coming.

thats really it, isn't it. Americans, bless their spoiled souls, have no history without the institutions that are at least trying to protect them. So on that level, I get it. They can't place a value on not having them any longer, so lets let some hateful social media post guide me instead. Of course this isn't limited to just republicans either, its a fucking national tragedy and its unfolding all over the fucking place. The internet just devours mid and long term thinking. 

The democrats kept trying to attack the void with policies and shit. Ain't nobody got time for that. 

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4 hours ago, BHMCruiser said:

Interesting. According to the rules as I understand them, you could buy a Glock before 2001 and it was grandfathered in. I just looked at the list and it appears you can buy a Generation 3, but only the Austrian-made ones. I stand corrected.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search?make=150972

That's not true. There's a list of handguns you can purchase in California and not everything is on it. There's been a lot of litigation about the approved handgun roster, the testing that goes into it, the grandfathering, guns being removed, etc.

I didn't say purchase. Although there are avenues to purchase one from certain LEAs. But AFAIK you can take any pistol that isn't over a 10 round mag from Texas or any state to California and legally own it. 

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12 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

We are a country dominated by willfully ignorant, poorly educated, bigoted, religious nuts.  This will not end well. 

Honestly, it was amazing the country was able to foster the best collection of higher education research institutions in the world and be as powerful and prosperous as it did. Given it was founded by religious nuts and has always had that undercurrent of religious nuttery. We're just regressing to what the country was always going to be. Would be nice if we weren't sitting on the world's 2nd largest collection of nukes. 

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I figured doctors would be leaving states that are embracing christofascism. Appears to be the case.

Too many screenshots so here’s the article

If you are a well trained OB/GYN with options, you would have to be an idiot to decide to practice in a red state.

If you are a well educated young professional couple with options, you would have to be idiots to try to start a family without available top OB/GYNS.

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thats really it, isn't it. Americans, bless their spoiled souls, have no history without the institutions that are at least trying to protect them. So on that level, I get it. They can't place a value on not having them any longer, so lets let some hateful social media post guide me instead. Of course this isn't limited to just republicans either, its a fucking national tragedy and its unfolding all over the fucking place. The internet just devours mid and long term thinking. 
The democrats kept trying to attack the void with policies and shit. Ain't nobody got time for that. 
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Yup.

When I ask people that say “burn it all down” if they mean Iraq? Afghanistan? They’re like “that can’t happen here!” Only because a lot of people were working really hard to make sure it didn’t.
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Yeah. You and your conspiracy of dunces should’ve done your own research.

 

Oh, man, the parade of realizations is gonna be the bittersweet orchestra music as this Titanic of a country sinks.

All the guy had to do was hold up a Bible, hug an American flag, and call the other side Commies, and you were hooked.  You stopped looking for anything inconvenient that might contradict your echo chamber alternative fact endorphin machine.  You absolute fucking idiots.

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4 hours ago, softlynow said:

Republicans were already there before Bruen. They just needed to get Kennedy out of there.

In Rahimi, the Court basically admits that Bruen was too rigid. The 5th Circuit followed Bruen and concluded that since wife beaters used to legally arm themselves back then, they obviously can now. All but Thomas saw the flaw in the Bruen framework, and said it was more a general guideline (like the Pirate's Code) than a real judical test.

The Court, like the country in general, is no longer a serious entity.

I don’t entirely disagree with this

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Let me guess. You don’t want to CR the CR

Unsure what this means sorry 

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