The Leopards Eating Faces and Unlubed Dildo of Consequences Thread

[BHMCruiser 1817]

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

I feel like some people need a reminder that BHM views 1/6 and Hillary criticizing Trump for soliciting and accepting Russian election interference as the same. I really don't know why anyone would actually engage with that.

I certainly do not. 1/6 was an abomination and I would not have minded if every person who stormed the capitol was shot. What I said was Trump was not the first modern nominee to claim an election was stolen. 

[safe sex 11770]

46 minutes ago, BHMCruiser said:

I certainly do not. 1/6 was an abomination and I would not have minded if every person who stormed the capitol was shot. What I said was Trump was not the first modern nominee to claim an election was stolen. 

Any of them other than Trump keep lying about it more than four years after the fact?

[tchookem 3918]

Any of them other than Trump keep lying about it more than four years after the fact?

I can't fathom a person calling Jan 6th an abomination then looking themselves in the mirror after voting Trump for a 3rd time. Unless they were fully committed to being a piece a shit.

[Captainant 27787]

3 minutes ago, tchookem said:

9 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Any of them other than Trump keep lying about it more than four years after the fact?

I can't fathom a person calling Jan 6th an abomination then looking themselves in the mirror after voting Trump for a 3rd time. Unless they were fully committed to being a piece a shit.

It's simple, crusher is voting with his wallet. He'll sell way more guns when society breaks down and everyone is more desperate

[BHMCruiser 1817]

48 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Any of them other than Trump keep lying about it more than four years after the fact?

Yes

38 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It's simple, crusher is voting with his wallet. He'll sell way more guns when society breaks down and everyone is more desperate

I don’t sell guns

[safe sex 11770]

10 minutes ago, BHMCruiser said:

Yes

Are you capable of expanding on any of your bullshit? Or are we just too mean to engage here?

[safe sex 11770]

Imagine thinking that literally anyone in the world has ever lied in any way close to the amount of lies that Donald Trump has told about the 2020 election, J6, his own felonies, and every other aspect of his disgusting life.

Edited 13 hours ago by safe sex

[DixonHur 11377]

On 11/23/2024 at 2:25 AM, InkaUtexas said:

I have been to Paducah so this hits close. Did you know they have the World Quilt Museum or something like that? Oh, and an old ass reactor.

Been to Paducah? 

Pshaw, I lived in a tiny town about 20 miles away for a couple years.  Paducah and Murray, KY were the big cities for me.  

[BHMCruiser 1817]

18 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Are you capable of expanding on any of your bullshit? Or are we just too mean to engage here?

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/10/10/2016-election-fact-check-democrats-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/69548196007/

to cite but one example

 

[Superhero 8845]

3 hours ago, GenXer said:

 

I figured doctors would be leaving states that are embracing christofascism. Appears to be the case.

Too many screenshots so here’s the article

Heard that on NPR a few months ago... OB doctors and nurses are leaving states with strict abortion bans.

I'd be interested in tracking the life expectancy between those living in red and blue states starting from now. I wager the people living in blue states live longer.

 

 

[C-Man 27266]

Maybe she does. But the point is she has a long history of hostility toward gun rights, as did Joe Biden. That's all I'm saying. 

[Jhawkmvp 1503]

[BevoAbyss 2085]

23 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

What was laughable was any belief that the justice system would produce final convictions in less than four years.  Actually the opposite of your "laughable take." ....

Still, more than any other institution we have, especially those adjacent politics, the justice system is fact-based .....

But the proximate cause of the failure to hold Trump accountable was the electorate, not the justice system. 

Dude, I know you are a well-meaning guy. We are on the same team.

About Trump's prosecution:

-- I never stated Trump would be prosecuted and convicted in four years, I only said it should have happened. But it was increasingly obvious it was never going to happen. So my "laughable" still stands regarding the slow moving Wheels of Justice.

I agree, the electorate failed. At least enough for Trump to win ... and stave off conviction and possible jail time.

But Team USA and its justice system loves to protect its presidents from "the facts" of its crimes, including obvious war crimes with massive empirical evidence. Ex: Kissinger, W, Rumsfeld, etc. The record is clear: Presidents fare all too well with their crimes (except for Nixon).

About the "Fact-Based" Justice System:

I agree that the justice system is mostly "fact based" ... but not for presidential crimes and no longer for religious-based laws. The "fact-based" justice system will be getting weaker and erode with the newly empowered onslaught of religion and unreason.

I know you are not defending any Court opinion. But fact-based rulings are under attack, not only with Trump, but others of equal or more importance.

So exactly what were the biological and scientific "facts" in Alito's opinion overturning Roe or any of the state abortion bans? None.

-- Alito literally cited BS medieval texts ... packaged as a profound scholarly reading of the legal history and precedent (lulz) ... to justify shoving the Bible down the throats of women seeking reproductive care. There are zero scientific facts supporting abortion bans. ZERO. And women are dying because of it. That's the 100% empirical fact. 

-- It doesn't fucking matter what alleged "facts" were supposedly in the "precedents" cited by Alito. He was just making it up to justify imposing fact-free religious beliefs on women. He literally went back to PRE-scientific era to justify an UN-scientific opinion. 17th Century medievalism over 21st Century science. Going backward, not by decades, but centuries!

As we have long known, "fact-based" America is under attack. W's regime embraced parts of it. And it has grown exponentially.

About the new ruling ideology of America:

The 2016 and 2024 elections showed the new ruling ideology of America is ANTI-fact, ILLogic, UNreason, and UNscientific. Nothing will make sense or needs to even make sense. Nothing. Court rulings, tariffs, health departments, environmental rulings, Cabinet picks, foreign policy decissions, convictions of Trump for which he faces zero penalty, etc. The list is endless. It is pointless to reason it out. Chaos will rule the day.

-- Looking for fact-based logic, reason, and science in UNreason America is a complete fools errand. 

As with the Dobbs decIsion and lack of Trump prosecution, I predict this philosophy will continue to spread throughout America and the Court system from the Supreme Court on down through all the MAGA judges.

-- For example, the Establishment Clause which separates Church and State .... so clearly stated in the first line of the First Amendment ... will come under increasing attack in Unreason America and its Christian Evangelicals. And it will fall. Bit by bit, or in one fell swoop. 

TL/DR. Bottom line: Chaos will be the only rule.

Edited 6 hours ago by BevoAbyss

[Bozo_Casanova 26569]

10 hours ago, GenXer said:

Yeah. You and your conspiracy of dunces should’ve done your own research.

 

I have this conversation too much, and where they usually end up is similar to when I explained why the 2001, 2003 & 2017 tax cuts could not ever pay for themselves: in general they shrug it off and continue to vote for their team. 
only this, unlike the deficits, will touch them personally. 
That said- the national dynamic looks a lot like Texas now, and I suspect the GOP will trick Democrats into standing in the line of fire when the voters are looking for someone to blame. 

[safe sex 11770]

7 hours ago, BHMCruiser said:

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/10/10/2016-election-fact-check-democrats-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/69548196007/

to cite but one example

 

Rating: half true 

LMAO!

This is pathetic

[RomaVicta 30024]

But that's but one example.

[Bozo_Casanova 26569]

8 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

But that's but one example.

Half of one

[Horn Dog 9934]

10 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

hello Docs fleeing red states:  San Diego is pretty great, and I will be happy to find you the perfect house. 

Bookmarked.  Not in a red state anymore (thank god) but wife and I have been talking about moving to SD  in a few years as I transition out of medicine  or if things get trumpier in VA. 

[Bullneck 19210]

8 hours ago, BHMCruiser said:

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/10/10/2016-election-fact-check-democrats-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/69548196007/

to cite but one example

 

Want to know how I know you didn't read that article?

[Captainant 27787]

8 hours ago, BHMCruiser said:

I don’t sell guns

My bad, got you crossed with handcrusher

[Bullneck 19210]

I gotta hand it to those Republicans.

Never in a million years would I have thought you could throw America into reverse and outlaw women voting, equal rights for minorities, porn, and renewable energy while mandating repatriation and deportation and child labor. 

These guys think big, and get it done!

[Brisketexan 105366]

15 hours ago, softlynow said:

Republicans were already there before Bruen. They just needed to get Kennedy out of there.

In Rahimi, the Court basically admits that Bruen was too rigid. The 5th Circuit followed Bruen and concluded that since wife beaters used to legally arm themselves back then, they obviously can now. All but Thomas saw the flaw in the Bruen framework, and said it was more a general guideline (like the Pirate's Code) than a real judical test.

The Court, like the country in general, is no longer a serious entity.

Perfect post.

It's entirely results-oriented Calvinball now.  Bruen is the single worst-reasoned decision from SCOTUS I've ever read.  It's a perfect mix of idiocy and jaw-dropping dishonesty, and it 100% means what it said -- Thomas reiterated that point.  It elevated the Second Amendment above the entire rest of the Constitution, and formalized a method of "Constitutional Interpretation" that is complete nonsense, a recipe for disingenuous bullshit, and we've already seen that recipe followed.  Rahimi didn't save shit.  It's a band-aid on an era of SCOTUS that is going to make Dred Scott look like a work of genius in comparison.

This is what the Federalist Society wants: a Court that does what it wants, whenever it wants, employing only the "guiding principles" that conveniently allow for the "whatever we want, whenever we want" outcome.

If a court isn't regularly issuing rulings with a thought of "I really don't like this outcome, and really don't want to do this, but following the law and precedent, it's what I have to do," then it isn't a real court.

The Supreme Court of the United States is no longer a real court.

I've been a practicing attorney for decades....and I never thought I would say that, but here we are.

[GreenspointTexas 9675]

8 hours ago, Jhawkmvp said:

Thank god ive stockpiled mezcal for the last 7 yeaes

 

[Underdog 28774]

Good Lord that’s impressive. 

[InkaUtexas 26119]

Well now we know what house to defend when those that survive the leopards go looting. I mean, that's medicinal right?

[Bullneck 19210]

23 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Thank god ive stockpiled mezcal for the last 7 yeaes

 

Ballgame

Honestly, on the list of the most shocking and surprising things I've seen on this website this is definitely top 10

Edited 3 hours ago by Bullneck

[Gap03 3327]

26 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Thank god ive stockpiled mezcal for the last 7 yeaes

 

[Pato del Muerto 52608]

30 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Well now we know what house to defend when those that survive the leopards go looting. I mean, that's medicinal right?

Anesthetic 

[ChiTownDoc 21162]

1 hour ago, Bullneck said:

I gotta hand it to those Republicans.

Never in a million years would I have thought you could throw America into reverse and outlaw women voting, equal rights for minorities, porn, and renewable energy while mandating repatriation and deportation and child labor. 

These guys think big, and get it done!

Remember the Muslim terror pandemonium?  Just a few short years later, the R’s wanna turn America into today’s Afghanistan.  Mind boggling.  

[ChiTownDoc 21162]

51 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Thank god ive stockpiled mezcal for the last 7 yeaes

 

Someone’s gonna be nursing a mean hangover.  
 

i keeeeed…

[Bozo_Casanova 26569]

55 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

f a court isn't regularly issuing rulings with a thought of "I really don't like this outcome, and really don't want to do this, but following the law and precedent, it's what I have to do," then it isn't a real court.

The Supreme Court of the United States is no longer a real court.

I've been a practicing attorney for decades....and I never thought I would say that, but here we are.

But I’m not sure this is limited to the supremes. What has happened to the Supreme Court seems the natural endpoint of what has happened to lawyers.
With sincerely great respect and reverence towards your profession, what I see is practitioners of law not protecting the very thing that pays their bills, hiding behind their “first duty to the client” to the exclusion of the most basic ethics while the tragedy of the commons plays out on a grand scale. Not you, obviously, but I don’t understand why there’s not more alarm. 

If the system doesn’t appear to be legitimate anymore (and it doesn’t), people will return to their original modes of settling things. And for that we don’t need lawyers. 

1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Thank god ive stockpiled mezcal for the last 7 yeaes

 

This is a man with vision.

[Gap03 3327]

13 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Remember the Muslim terror pandemonium?  Just a few short years later, the R’s wanna turn America into today’s Afghanistan.  Mind boggling.  

No, no - tooooootally different. Here, it's going to be Christians running things - but doing the exact same shit ... so, uhhh ...

[C-Man 27266]

I mean nobody saw this coming.

Auto insurance costs poised for further rises with Trump tariffs

https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/business-news/auto-insurance-costs-poised-for-further-rises-with-trump-tariffs-515647.aspx?hsmemberId=1024080&tu=55D7E01A-A2EE-4DD3-8B33-867AD97B08C1&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=20241127&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_z6Dsvv-emwjYmGpEgyy8Z0QCqpU8sPp9SCW_yGisEOehpkJVFAhuNQalv3kj8Q9zRLS5fMq4zL_oRoPVUqP12505nm0O1g1zR7PNXe4JHAhvAHfs&_hsmi=335918526&utm_content=55D7E01A-A2EE-4DD3-8B33-867AD97B08C1&utm_source=

Quote

Auto insurance is poised to become even more expensive under President-elect Donald Trump’s plan to impose new tariffs on top US trading partners.

About 60% of replacement parts used to repair cars in the US are imported, mainly from Mexico, China and Canada, said Bob Passmore, a vice president for the American Property Casualty Insurance Association. New tariffs would increase the cost of parts, which account for about 40% of the average total repair bills borne by insurers, and would prompt them to eventually increase rates, he said.

“A broad tariff on auto parts would create a problem — it would definitely have an impact,” Passmore said in an interview. “Ultimately, the cost of claims is the primary driver of what we pay for our insurance.”

Trump announced Monday that he would impose additional tariffs of 10% on goods from China and 25% on all products from Mexico and Canada. Such levies would dash consumer hopes for a stabilization in car insurance premiums amid lower insurance losses this year, after several years of increased pricing. 

In 2023, the average premium jumped about 20% on average, according to the Insurance Information Institute.

“We’ve dealt with inflation in auto parts and skilled labor since the supply-chain tightening during Covid,” said Jerry Theodorou, director of the finance, insurance and trade policy program for R Street Institute, a nonprofit public-policy research organization. Those subcomponents of inflation have abated only recently, he added.

Ripple effects from potential tariffs could weigh even more on the budgets of car owners, as longer repair times may force them to rent vehicles.

“Sometimes, a lot people don’t carry rental-reimbursement coverage, and so they pay from those out of their own pocket,” Passmore said.

To soften the blow to consumers, the US could seek alternative supply-chain options, potentially in Brazil or Ecuador, though it will take time to compensate for the lost business with China and Mexico, according to Theodorou.

Still, it remains to be seen whether Trump will eventually follow through on his threats.

“We need to distinguish between rhetoric and reality,” Theodorou said. “Trump was unpredictable in his first administration.”

Trump’s transition team didn’t reply to a message seeking comment.

 

[Ojo Rojo 1970]

10 hours ago, BHMCruiser said:

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/10/10/2016-election-fact-check-democrats-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/69548196007/

to cite but one example

 

This is a perfect example of Trumpthink.  Citing an article that doesn't say what they think it says for a proposition that isn't true.

[Tuco 5081]

1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Thank god ive stockpiled mezcal for the last 7 yeaes

 

Are you sure you're not a Mexican nightclub?

[Brisketexan 105366]

41 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

But I’m not sure this is limited to the supremes. What has happened to the Supreme Court seems the natural endpoint of what has happened to lawyers.
With sincerely great respect and reverence towards your profession, what I see is practitioners of law not protecting the very thing that pays their bills, hiding behind their “first duty to the client” to the exclusion of the most basic ethics while the tragedy of the commons plays out on a grand scale. Not you, obviously, but I don’t understand why there’s not more alarm. 

If the system doesn’t appear to be legitimate anymore (and it doesn’t), people will return to their original modes of settling things. And for that we don’t need lawyers. 

This is what many of us (lawyers) have been saying, dude.

What I'll suggest to you is that the legal profession is no more or less immune to the greater decay that is wrecking our society as a whole.  The vast majority of attorneys are not just practicing in an ethical way that reflects their position as officers of the court, but most are also sounding the alarm, speaking as to the importance of the rule of law, and the like.  But like any other element of society/the social order, it only takes a relatively low percentage of turds in the punchbowl to turn the whole thing into a bowl of shitpunch.  There's always a bad actor here and there, in every facet of society.  But so long as that element is a manageably low number, the system works.  Once that element builds and hits a critical mass......it's shitpunch.

None of our systems -- not a single one -- are equipped to handle a critical mass of people simply opting out of the social contract.  That's all that EVERYTHING is -- our legal system, economic system and transactions, social dynamics, all of it -- it's just an agreement.  A handshake deal.  I'll sell you a widget with a price of $10, you pay me $10.  I won't run a red light to kill you or me, I get to go through the intersection on green.  When that breaks down, it is a total breakdown, across all systems.  You are correct - we are experiencing a tragedy of the commons playing out on a grand scale.

I'm not absolving my profession of responsibility.  I'm just telling you that we're just as fucked as everyone else.

Too many people want to be kings of the ashes instead of members of the merchant class of a prosperous country.  And the past couple of decades have shown us that this is inevitable.  No amount of warnings or examples of pain will even slow it down.

And that's the fucking awful truth.

[Brisketexan 105366]

11 minutes ago, C-Man said:

I mean nobody saw this coming.

Auto insurance costs poised for further rises with Trump tariffs

https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/business-news/auto-insurance-costs-poised-for-further-rises-with-trump-tariffs-515647.aspx?hsmemberId=1024080&tu=55D7E01A-A2EE-4DD3-8B33-867AD97B08C1&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=20241127&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_z6Dsvv-emwjYmGpEgyy8Z0QCqpU8sPp9SCW_yGisEOehpkJVFAhuNQalv3kj8Q9zRLS5fMq4zL_oRoPVUqP12505nm0O1g1zR7PNXe4JHAhvAHfs&_hsmi=335918526&utm_content=55D7E01A-A2EE-4DD3-8B33-867AD97B08C1&utm_source=

 

Yep.

See, the dumbasses who voted for him think that Trump is going to serve up a tailored, single serving of fuckery, aimed only at the people they hate.  What they are too fucking stupid to realize is that Trumpery is a massive layer cake of fuckery, "at levels no one has ever seen before."

 

Eat up, Trumpers.  Oh, and when you dig in, enjoy -- that isn't icing between the layers, it's pure spreadable shit.  DIG IN.

[InkaUtexas 26119]

4 minutes ago, Tuco said:

Are you sure you're not a Mexican nightclub?

Or a cartel flop house.

[wildcat09 29402]

47 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

But I’m not sure this is limited to the supremes. What has happened to the Supreme Court seems the natural endpoint of what has happened to lawyers.
With sincerely great respect and reverence towards your profession, what I see is practitioners of law not protecting the very thing that pays their bills, hiding behind their “first duty to the client” to the exclusion of the most basic ethics while the tragedy of the commons plays out on a grand scale. Not you, obviously, but I don’t understand why there’s not more alarm. 

If the system doesn’t appear to be legitimate anymore (and it doesn’t), people will return to their original modes of settling things. And for that we don’t need lawyers. 

This is a man with vision.

I think there's certainly some problems with lawyers letting their duties to their clients overwhelm their other duties, but I don't really think that's the source of the problem. I think the source of the problem is basically the same liberal capitulation in legal academia that we've seen in politics. And I don't mean "liberal" in the sense of left-of-center politically, I mean it in the sense of liberalism.  

Right wing careerist assholes and dipshits lavishly funded by billionaires began laundering clearly bullshit legal theories that were fundamentally opposed to a liberal order into legal academia several decades ago now, and liberal academia (and increasingly as time went on, the courts) treated those theories as, and those who proffered them in, good faith rather than for what they were: a virus. 

[Chad Fuck 17785]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Perfect post.

It's entirely results-oriented Calvinball now.  Bruen is the single worst-reasoned decision from SCOTUS I've ever read.  It's a perfect mix of idiocy and jaw-dropping dishonesty, and it 100% means what it said -- Thomas reiterated that point.  It elevated the Second Amendment above the entire rest of the Constitution, and formalized a method of "Constitutional Interpretation" that is complete nonsense, a recipe for disingenuous bullshit, and we've already seen that recipe followed.  Rahimi didn't save shit.  It's a band-aid on an era of SCOTUS that is going to make Dred Scott look like a work of genius in comparison.

This is what the Federalist Society wants: a Court that does what it wants, whenever it wants, employing only the "guiding principles" that conveniently allow for the "whatever we want, whenever we want" outcome.

If a court isn't regularly issuing rulings with a thought of "I really don't like this outcome, and really don't want to do this, but following the law and precedent, it's what I have to do," then it isn't a real court.

The Supreme Court of the United States is no longer a real court.

I've been a practicing attorney for decades....and I never thought I would say that, but here we are.

Me verbatim with my attorney friends.  It's also trickling down to the inferior courts at the District/ Bankruptcy Courts where I practice.  It's not yet pervasive, and I still believe the majority of jurists hew to the Rule of Law.  But in the past it seemed like the judges who backed into their opinions were less frequently encoutntered than they are today.  The bold displays of "fuck the law, I am the law," usually couched in more refined langauge, coming from the bench seem more frequent.  While I've always recognized human frailties are to be encountered everywhere there are humans, those frailties were were less often encountered in the courtroom.  It is...disappointing.  

 

 

[TwiceHorn 31538]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

I think there's certainly some problems with lawyers letting their duties to their clients overwhelm their other duties, but I don't really think that's the source of the problem. I think the source of the problem is basically the same liberal capitulation in legal academia that we've seen in politics. And I don't mean "liberal" in the sense of left-of-center politically, I mean it in the sense of liberalism.  

Right wing careerist assholes and dipshits lavishly funded by billionaires began laundering clearly bullshit legal theories that were fundamentally opposed to a liberal order into legal academia several decades ago now, and liberal academia (and increasingly as time went on, the courts) treated those theories as, and those who proffered them in, good faith rather than for what they were: a virus. 

Generally agreed.

As tends to happen with beneficial things that liberals do on a small scale, like manufacture test cases to create/expand civil rights, conservatives have turned things on their head and doubled down, and been extremely effective at it.

[Chad Fuck 17785]

10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yep.

See, the dumbasses who voted for him think that Trump is going to serve up a tailored, single serving of fuckery, aimed only at the people they hate.  What they are too fucking stupid to realize is that Trumpery is a massive layer cake of fuckery, "at levels no one has ever seen before."

 

Eat up, Trumpers.  Oh, and when you dig in, enjoy -- that isn't icing between the layers, it's pure spreadable shit.  DIG IN.

Quote

Trump voter: 'He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting'

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-voter-hes-not-hurting-the-people-he-needs-be-hurting-msna1181316

There's going to be a lot of this.  Which would be great, as I've said.  If only the rest of us who could foresee the fucking around didn't have to ride along with the finding out.  

 

[Brisketexan 105366]

2 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-voter-hes-not-hurting-the-people-he-needs-be-hurting-msna1181316

There's going to be a lot of this.  Which would be great, as I've said.  If only the rest of us who could foresee the fucking around didn't have to ride along with the finding out.  

 

Yep.  It was always that.  That has always been the philosophy behind the far right bullshit (see Pat Buchanan), but they found a truly god-like figure in an actual pathological narcissist who not only doesn't care who he hurts, he thinks that causing pain is a display of power, which feeds his unquenchable ego.  He thinks that causing pain is power, and having power will fill the void inside him, but nothing can fill that void, so the only thing to do is inflict more pain.

It could not be more obvious if it was a 10,000 mile wide neon sign in orbit around the earth for all to see.....but here we are.  People refuse to see the obvious, and make a hate-filled man the avatar for THEIR hate, disregarding the obviously erratic and universal nature of the hate their avatar will express.  Just fucking dumb.  But "just fucking dumb" is who we fucking are now and who we have steadfastly decided to be, so buckle up.

[Underdog 28774]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

But I’m not sure this is limited to the supremes. What has happened to the Supreme Court seems the natural endpoint of what has happened to lawyers.
With sincerely great respect and reverence towards your profession, what I see is practitioners of law not protecting the very thing that pays their bills, hiding behind their “first duty to the client” to the exclusion of the most basic ethics while the tragedy of the commons plays out on a grand scale. Not you, obviously, but I don’t understand why there’s not more alarm. 

If the system doesn’t appear to be legitimate anymore (and it doesn’t), people will return to their original modes of settling things. And for that we don’t need lawyers. 

This is a man with vision.

Double vision at least. 

[Pato del Muerto 52608]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

around the earth

I guess the earth doesn’t have to be spheroid for a sign to orbit around it, but you might want to edit that to above the earth to reflect the other reality which we’ve just voted into power. 

[Brisketexan 105366]

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I guess the earth doesn’t have to be spheroid for a sign to orbit around it, but you might want to edit that to above the earth to reflect the other reality which we’ve just voted into power. 

Well, yeah.  And it would be placed up there by the chemtrail crews, after they finish their chemtrailing for the day.

Duh.

[pyrohornIII 4823]

I think that the ultra-upper class is convinced the way forward is with less humans, way way less humans.  They dream of the world as basically a huge theme park and only want enough minions around to keep the park secure, tidy and running.  The less humans, the more food, the less consumption of natural resources, less trash, etc, and after 100 years like that the earth is reset into some idyllic place.  

The fastest way there would be nuciear, but that would be too damaging to the planet and leave lingering radiation.  The next fastest would be to go for global economic collapse leading to something akin to Mad Max.  And those bands can be taken out in time.   

This thought was put into my head by a guy who used to be pretty liberal and now is full blown Trumpkin thanks to Q-anon.   He might have this one right, which would be the first one ever.  But it does make sense.  And it's doable to a certain degree, especially if you can pull it off Wizard of Oz style, so no one ever sees it coming until it's here.  What would be your first move if you were them?  Pit the lower classes against each other?

 

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Well that's certainly a position. 

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13 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

I think that the ultra-upper class is convinced the way forward is with less humans, way way less humans.  They dream of the world as basically a huge theme park and only want enough minions around to keep the park secure, tidy and running.  The less humans, the more food, the less consumption of natural resources, less trash, etc, and after 100 years like that the earth is reset into some idyllic place.  

The fastest way there would be nuciear, but that would be too damaging to the planet and leave lingering radiation.  The next fastest would be to go for global economic collapse leading to something akin to Mad Max.  And those bands can be taken out in time.   

This thought was put into my head by a guy who used to be pretty liberal and now is full blown Trumpkin thanks to Q-anon.   He might have this one right, which would be the first one ever.  But it does make sense.  And it's doable to a certain degree, especially if you can pull it off Wizard of Oz style, so no one ever sees it coming until it's here.  What would be your first move if you were them?  Pit the lower classes against each other?

 

The last line.  Lol

Pitting the lower classes against eachother is a tradition as old as time.  

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

This is what many of us (lawyers) have been saying, dude.

What I'll suggest to you is that the legal profession is no more or less immune to the greater decay that is wrecking our society as a whole.  The vast majority of attorneys are not just practicing in an ethical way that reflects their position as officers of the court, but most are also sounding the alarm, speaking as to the importance of the rule of law, and the like.  But like any other element of society/the social order, it only takes a relatively low percentage of turds in the punchbowl to turn the whole thing into a bowl of shitpunch.  There's always a bad actor here and there, in every facet of society.  But so long as that element is a manageably low number, the system works.  Once that element builds and hits a critical mass......it's shitpunch.

None of our systems -- not a single one -- are equipped to handle a critical mass of people simply opting out of the social contract.  That's all that EVERYTHING is -- our legal system, economic system and transactions, social dynamics, all of it -- it's just an agreement.  A handshake deal.  I'll sell you a widget with a price of $10, you pay me $10.  I won't run a red light to kill you or me, I get to go through the intersection on green.  When that breaks down, it is a total breakdown, across all systems.  You are correct - we are experiencing a tragedy of the commons playing out on a grand scale.

Agreed, and incidentally many of the forces at work got loose in corporate America at the boardroom level a couple of decades ago, which is how the obsessive focus on maximizing shareholder value ultimately destroyed quite a lot of shareholder value a few years later. And now a lot of those behaviors have gone away, and there are a whole new set of bad ones that the market punish in due time. 
So I'm not trying to give everyone else a pass or assert that the legal profession is uniquely in crisis. However,  I'm just a tradesman, and so is every business person in America. The market is not fair and is not fast, but ultimately it will correct behavior that isn't profitable, productive or sustainable. Business people are subject to the law, and to regulation, but are ultimately subject to the market, whether they like it or not. I do believe that lawyers, on the other hand, have a unique obligation that comes with admission, because the law itself is an alternative to extrinsic forces and individual action/ 

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