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Because the best practice remediation is not the same.

It's not a bright line like you are implying.  The overlap between genetic causes/predisposition of obesity and outside "lifestyle" factors is considerable.  Like sawbonz said, genetic obesity or "true obesity" as you termed it, is not a tiny percentage of overall obesity.  It's estimated to have as much as a 70 percent correlation by many studies.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK565801/

It's a complicated issue and both genetics and lifestyle together seem to play a major role in a substantial percentage of cases, but it's still unclear to what level they do interact (as noted in the conclusion to the article I linked above).  So to say that the best practice remediation is not the same is an overly simplistic and frankly incorrect view.

 

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I have struggled with it for the better part of a decade and a half (lifting and attempts at dieting got me nowhere), I lift and don't lose the gut, I stop lifting and just count calories and it starts to go away after a few months of dieting. 

At this point I am just resigned to it, that is how my mind (because of cravings reduction) and body works  and that is all she wrote.

Yeah but lifting and eating correctly builds muscle which burns more calories. You would become leaner faster by incorporating resistance training 

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Yeah but lifting and eating correctly builds muscle which burns more calories. You would become leaner faster by incorporating resistance training 

Yes, it is logical, but it does not work that way because human beings are illogical, lifting makes me hungrier and cravings are more difficult to control, eating just an extra apple defeats the entire effort and I am back to square one.

By just counting calories and shrinking the stomach I just consume 70% of the calories I burn at rest I don't even think about food of late, a few months of that and I can lift again when the goal is small bulking and cutting.

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10 hours ago, G650 said:

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Heaven forbid anyone just eat well and exercise.

i used to think this way

i hated fat people and thought they were weak

but then I realized I was sad and anxious and nearly drank myself to death. 

without a dumb fucking drug like Prozac i might be dead because my brain is broken in several kinds of ways.

it took realizing that I was engaging in a life long suicide attempt to overcome the stigma i had for mental illness, and not specifically others' but my own. but I accepted that I'm not a superhero who can overcome abnormal brain chemistry and the good news is that with the help of a daily pill, i no longer want to drive off the goddamn highway through a concrete wall and into a lake anymore.

my wife is on mounjaro. the positive impact it has had on her life is arguably as good as anti depressants have had on mine.

our food system is as bad or worse than tobacco.

i used to be the "take a walk and have a salad, fatty" and i still am sometimes. but seeing a medication help my wife realize she's nutritionally full has helped change my mind along with walking a mile in my own medication shoes and struggles. also traveling to Europe and Asia and eating real food is an eye opener. 

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39 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

So to say that the best practice remediation is not the same is an overly simplistic and frankly incorrect view.

It's not, because you are conflating two wholly different things. Sawbonz is totally off the reservation and doesn't even know what I'm referring to. What we have done is layered induced obesity on top of genetic. So yes there is overlap, but it's beyond "lifestyle" at this point. It's endemic to our society, and we are exporting it worldwide.

 

I don't have time to write a whole spiel on this tonight, but I have always found you to be one of the more thoughtful guys here, I will give you the TL;DR version of what I have been saying for a very long time. We have made calories so cheap, and in forms that are so hyper absorbable, that no normal person in our society can avoid them. It takes a high level of income independence and spare time to be able to have a chance at eating remotely properly, not to mention to actually want that. The data is very clear, we didn't all of a sudden as a people have some evolution that made us gain ridiculous amounts of weight, we deliberately chose this through policy. And, I want to stress, the bigger things I'm talking about go way beyond a bunch of overweight people. We have devalued food to such an ludicrous extent that people have disassociated with the actual meaning of food, which has lead to disastrous consequences. Food is literally what give us life, it should be the most sacred part of our society (breaking bread and whatnot), yet we outright throw away enough food every year to feed several countries!!!! Why? Because it's cheap and meaningless in our culture. Giving out skinny shots is the literal last thing we should be doing for the general population. We need to make ourselves feel the true cost of food production.

 

 

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i hated fat people and thought they were weak

I literally don't think that.

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What we have done is layered induced obesity on top of genetic. So yes there is overlap, but it's beyond "lifestyle" at this point. It's endemic to our society, and we are exporting it worldwide.

I don't have time to write a whole spiel on this tonight, but I have always found you to be one of the more thoughtful guys here, I will give you the TL;DR version of what I have been saying for a very long time.

Appreciate the comment.  I hope my response wasn't taken as being condescending.  It wasn't intended to be.

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We have made calories so cheap, and in forms that are so hyper absorbable, that no normal person in our society can avoid them. It takes a high level of income independence and spare time to be able to have a chance at eating remotely properly, not to mention to actually want that. The data is very clear, we didn't all of a sudden as a people have some evolution that made us gain ridiculous amounts of weight, we deliberately chose this through policy. And, I want to stress, the bigger things I'm talking about go way beyond a bunch of overweight people.

I agree with all of this.

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We have devalued food to such an ludicrous extent that people have disassociated with the actual meaning of food, which has lead to disastrous consequences. Food is literally what give us life, it should be the most sacred part of our society (breaking bread and whatnot), yet we outright throw away enough food every year to feed several countries!!!! Why? Because it's cheap and meaningless in our culture.

Also agree with all of this (at least to a significant extent).

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Giving out skinny shots is the literal last thing we should be doing for the general population. We need to make ourselves feel the true cost of food production.

I simply can't understand how you this conclusion from everything you said above.

Giving out skinny shots should be one of many tools at our disposal we should employ to address the healthcare, poverty, and societal crisis the policies you've mentioned have created or helped cause.  Ultimately the true cost of food should be reflected, but one does not necessitate the other.  And if you were to make "us" feel the true cost of food, who would be the ones that suffer the most?  The ones that already can't afford to eat healthy.  The science is still in its infancy, but anecdotally at least there appears to be a correlation between these drugs and an ability of those on them to change their eating habits to lean towards healthier diets, at a lower rate of consumption.  Wouldn't that potentially trend towards what you're suggesting?  Industrialization and consolidation of our farming (of course along with hefty subsidies) has led to much of the use of preservatives and other bad things associated with our current food supply.  Reducing demand for consumption seems like it would be a good thing and lead towards what you want.

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1 hour ago, DDD Dad said:

It's not a bright line like you are implying.  The overlap between genetic causes/predisposition of obesity and outside "lifestyle" factors is considerable.  Like sawbonz said, genetic obesity or "true obesity" as you termed it, is not a tiny percentage of overall obesity.  It's estimated to have as much as a 70 percent correlation by many studies.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK565801/

It's a complicated issue and both genetics and lifestyle together seem to play a major role in a substantial percentage of cases, but it's still unclear to what level they do interact (as noted in the conclusion to the article I linked above).  So to say that the best practice remediation is not the same is an overly simplistic and frankly incorrect view.

 

Personally, I think overeating is an addiction more or less like any other. I am of the opinion that there is a strong genetic propensity to it, but I think like substance abuse, you can do a very credible imitation of the addiction without the genes. 

Note that I am not addressing obesity per se, but the leading cause of overweight tending to obesity. 

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The ones that already can't afford to eat healthy.  The

This ties back in to what I was saying earlier about UBI. I didn't have the energy to explain to seed worker that people of means can obviously spend that on other things besides food, like hookers and blow, but it would assure no one goes hungry, and stopping our subsidizing shit food has to go hard in hand with this.

 

To be clear, I'm not saying ban Ozempic, I'm saying don't hand it out like candy to Suzie Tahoe Driver to keep her ass in proportion to her fake tits because she doesn't want to give up Margs and her fast casual restaurant du jour. It just reinforces the cycle we are currently in.

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I think we should hand it out like candy to anyone who needs it while also addressing the bigger problems with our food and appetites in the country. 

Not to get too personal, but I'm a really tall bitch (probably one of the tallest women in Austin) who at one point was over 250lbs. Because of the way I was raised (Southern food culture, where food can fix literally any personal problem), plus some genetic predisposition to addiction, I couldn't consistently stay in shape, because as mentioned many times, you can't out exercise a bad diet, and modern America makes it incredibly difficult for someone to work full time, exercise properly, and cook proper healthy meals all at once. So I would do great for months to a year or two and then the wheels would fall off. It was like that for pretty much my entire life post-puberty.

My first dose of semaglutide earlier this April? The voice in my brain that was constantly thinking about food and about what snacks sound good or what I should eat out over the weekend...just non-stop food focus? Gone. 

And I haven't heard that voice since. 

Give it to anyone who needs it

And fix our food culture.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Probably more about using a crop we can grow in abundance here.  We are very good at finding alternative uses for corn. 

We can grow lots of crops in abundance. We just happen to give billions of dollars of subsidies annually to farmers who grow corn, more than any other produce. 

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Can you expound on your first sentence?

Not sure I get why people are laughing at this reply. Maybe it's over my head.  While Sugar and Corn Syrup have similar calorie counts per gram, sugar is digested differently and as a result can make you feel more full while it's being processed. So if you were to eat two identical desserts aside from the sweeter, the one with sugar could make you feel more full and stop you from eating more compared to the one using corn syrup. Sugar is like coke. Consume enough of it and it's all your body will run on and you'll lose a bit of weight because you are eating less overall calories. 

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Not sure I get why people are laughing at this reply. Maybe it's over my head.  While Sugar and Corn Syrup have similar calorie counts per gram, sugar is digested differently and as a result can make you feel more full while it's being processed. So if you were to eat two identical desserts aside from the sweeter, the one with sugar could make you feel more full and stop you from eating more compared to the one using corn syrup. Sugar is like coke. Consume enough of it and it's all your body will run on and you'll lose a bit of weight because you are eating less overall calories. 

Yeah I don’t think that’s right. You’re gonna have to cite some sources 

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On 12/9/2024 at 1:09 PM, The Dog said:

 

Sorry, just catching up on this thread.

So funny, not really, I am in Steven Choi’s district. Looking at the cities he represents, I’m not surprised he won. Orange County isn’t exactly a bastion of liberalism with plenty of (choose combination) of rich, white, conservative Asian, retired, and some not so educated, looking at you Santa Ana.

Fun fact. Steven Choi’s son goes to my church. We serve together on the worship and AV teams. Nice guy and all, but I wouldn’t vote for his dad. 

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Genuine question, no snark, what energy does Ontario export to the US?

 

 

From the rough bit of googling I did, they send direct electricity for roughly 1.5 million homes in the northern US.   Canada, writ large, is our biggest international supplier of energy.  For all the talk of Saudi Oil over the years, we actually buy most of our imported petroleum from the Canadians.   

The Oil Dogs on the site correct me, but I assume after we stopped buying Venezualan oil, Canada stepped into the gap. 

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i did

My Swedish immigrant grandmother did not like overweight people.

”Tjocka stora menighet!” is one of the few Swedish phrases I know. She would shake her head and glare while saying it.

“Thick large people…”

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12 hours ago, GenXer said:

A diversion on what has now become the obesity thread

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Trump: man of the people.

As if the billionaires and large corporations didn’t already have a different set of rules, we’re going to eliminate some of the last checks on their power.

What could go wrong?

Seriously though, we are entering a new gilded age….

We need a new name for it though. 
Gilded wouldn’t work for this. It worked so well before as it truly was that the super rich and wealth were just a patina over a large amount inequality, poverty, poor health, etc.

What represents concentrated wealth that uses disinformation and social to placate a population, while not poor by 1880 standards, is still magnitudes and magnitudes less well off than their corporate oligarchs ?

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canada accounts for 60% of our crude oil imports.  we import very little natural gas but of the gas we do import, 99% of it comes from canada. that is natural since the only way to import it from other continents is through lng.

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Trump: man of the people.

As if the billionaires and large corporations didn’t already have a different set of rules, we’re going to eliminate some of the last checks on their power.

What could go wrong?

Seriously though, we are entering a new gilded age….

We need a new name for it though. 
Gilded wouldn’t work for this. It worked so well before as it truly was that the super rich and wealth were just a patina over a large amount inequality, poverty, poor health, etc.

What represents concentrated wealth that uses disinformation and social to placate a population, while not poor by 1880 standards, is still magnitudes and magnitudes less well off than their corporate oligarchs ?

Entering?  haha

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Listened to an economics podcast yesterday talking about the Smoot-Hawley Tariff if 1930 which pretty much made the economy worse during the great depression. According to the Google:
 

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The Tariff Act of 1930, also known as the Smoot-Hawley Tariff, was a law that raised tariffs on imported goods to protect American businesses and farmers:

Purpose: The act was intended to boost farm prices and protect American labor. 

Supporters: The act was sponsored by Senator Reed Smoot of Utah and Representative Willis C. Hawley of Oregon. 

Signature: President Herbert Hoover signed the act into law on June 17, 1930. 

Impact: The act had many negative consequences, including: 

  • Frozen international trade: The act led to retaliatory tariffs by other countries, which reduced American exports and imports by 67% during the Great Depression. 
  • Worsened the Great Depression: Economists and economic historians agree that the act worsened the effects of the Great Depression. 
  • Was unpopular: The act was widely opposed by 1,028 prominent economists, some business executives, and much of the public. 

Second highest tariffs in U.S. history: The tariffs under the act were the second highest in United States history, exceeded only by the Tariff of 1828. 

 

 

Fun fact, it followed the most quoted part of Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Chips O'Toole said:

That's what this thread needed, a goddamn Blue Bell iced pisscream derailment. 

Just because ice cream is cold, and the Arctic is cold , does not mean that you have to bring Eskimo hut into the conversation. 

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On 12/11/2024 at 11:54 AM, linux said:

This is a really good video with the most up to date science that probably needs to be universal knowledge, the gist of it is that in the medium to long term the body will consume the same amount of calories despite work out routines (or around a 5-10% difference at most) your weight gain/loss is entirely dependent on your calories in, and your calories out entirely dependent on your body composition not time spent excercising.

Anecdotally it also tracks I lost dozens of pounds while doing less excercise, it was all 100% calorie tracking. Once the six pack shows up I will go back to lifting but will never do cardio for weight loss ever again.

Hopefully HFCS ban does really force dietary changes.

 

20 hours ago, linux said:

I know I am not quitting permanently just got fed up with the psychology of it, I will return to them in a few months.

 

20 hours ago, linux said:

Yes, it is logical, but it does not work that way because human beings are illogical, lifting makes me hungrier and cravings are more difficult to control, eating just an extra apple defeats the entire effort and I am back to square one.

By just counting calories and shrinking the stomach I just consume 70% of the calories I burn at rest I don't even think about food of late, a few months of that and I can lift again when the goal is small bulking and cutting.

Responding to this as concisely as possible:

1) Weight is a function of diet

2) Body composition is a function of diet, mediated by exercise

3) Health is function of exercise, mediated by diet

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