The Leopards Eating Faces and Unlubed Dildo of Consequences Thread

[Anastasis 23704]

That's a pretty good encapsulation of the CR and why people don't take this sub seriously. 

 

[elfenix 34662]

mEsSaGe BoArDs R sRs BiDnIs

[Gatorubet 30637]

38 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

You just insulted Chamberlain.  That was a heavy lift, but you managed to do it.  Neville had much more admirable intent and awareness of what was actually happening.

This is the conclusion of a note from General Ismay to the British Cabinet sent on 20th September 1938, marked ‘Secret’. Ismay was Secretary of the Committee of Imperial Defense.

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15.  The broad conclusions of this Note may be summarized as follows :-

(a) A German absorption of Czechoslovakia will enhance her military prestige, increase her war potential and probably enable her to dispose of stronger land forces against France and ourselves than she can do at present.

(b) So far as air power is concerned, Germany may be able to maintain her lead over the Franco-British Air Forces in air striking power.  On the other hand, it is open to us, provided that we make the necessary effort, to catch her up, or at least greatly reduce her lead, in the matter of defence (both active and passive) against air attack.  By so doing we shall have heavily insured ourselves against the greatest danger to which we are present exposed: indeed by substantially reducing Germany’s only chance of a rapid decision, we shall have provided a strong deterrent against her making the attempt.

(c) It follows, therefore, that, from the military point of view, time is in our favour, and that, if war with Germany has to come, it would be better to fight her in say 6-12 months’ time, than to accept the present challenge.

I honestly have no idea how much this influenced the Munich Pact, but I note that it was signed nine days after this correspondence. 

[Aqua Buddha 14784]

33 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Federal employee who voted for Trump:

If only they were told that before the election.  Oh, wait....

[Biff Tannen 46069]

45 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Federal employee who voted for Trump:

I 100% read that first comment as "I voted for the conman"

[Disco Strangler 1911]

What the fuck happened to TFG's awful hairdo - it is somehow even worse.  Must be those low flow showerheads. 

He needs yuge, thick, ropey streams on his head to bring out his full volume.

[royiv 9710]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

That's a pretty good encapsulation of the CR and why people don't take this sub seriously. 

 

Oh, fuck, randos on the internet don’t take a bunch of posts from other randos on the internet seriously? I didn’t realize we had been tasked with serious bizness. It’s all BS and you continue to be one of the most prolific contributors.

[DDD Dad 14587]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Like I saide, the stupidest of straw men. 

 

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

That's a pretty good encapsulation of the CR and why people don't take this sub seriously. 

 

Actually your first post above is why. Insulting other posters while not actually engaging in discussions seems to be a thing for you. 

Edited yesterday at 05:40 PM by DDD Dad

[Longhorn_Fan68 34085]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

That's a pretty good encapsulation of the CR and why people don't take this sub seriously. 

 

sweet, go away then

[Anastasis 23704]

42 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Actually your first post above is why. Insulting other posters while not actually engaging in discussions seems to be a thing for you. 

You insult your own intelligence by turning the term "the ukraine conflict" into "the ukraine" and then crafting a total straw man around it.  I called the straw man stupid, but that was apparently too generous. 

[DDD Dad 14587]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

You insult your own intelligence by turning the term "the ukraine conflict" into "the ukraine" and then crafting a total straw man around it.  I called the straw man stupid, but that was apparently too generous. 

Guess I should have had that second cup of coffee. Never mind. 

[Anastasis 23704]

2 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Guess I should have had that second cup of coffee. Never mind. 

The Clown Room. 

[Brisketexan 106673]

Guess I should have had that second cup of coffee. Never mind. 

[ChiTownDoc 21326]

22 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Sydney gets it.

Trump could implement tariffs that plainly and directly bankrupt 50% of Americans, and this will be the messaging:

I love this though.  "Can you believe Obama is STILL fucking you guys?"  Just dumbfounded silence...

This is great.  His people will suffer more and you all can cry about whatever they blame...but don't lose the key point.  They're still suffering.  That's a win in my book.  Fuck 'em. 

[Slacks 7028]

On 12/16/2024 at 3:44 PM, Brisketexan said:

Sydney gets it.

Trump could implement tariffs that plainly and directly bankrupt 50% of Americans, and this will be the messaging:

Well, actually... If you think about, Trump being President is Obama's fault, so...

Thanks, Obama.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13619]

6 hours ago, Anastasis said:

The Clown Room. 

- 2Aer who wants to restrict Ukraine's access to arms 

[Superhero 8995]

19 hours ago, Horn Dogg said:

Errbody on Surly has at least a 9 figure net worth and only fucks 10’s.

 

10's what?  Who the hell is 10?  And who does he/she have that I want to fuck?

 

[Horn Dogg 4278]

20 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

Federal employee who voted for Trump:

I’ve met so many government employees that claim to have given up big time “private sector money” to “serve.”  Most of them couldn’t handle the pressure of working at a place that has to make a profit and doesn’t offer a cushy ass retirement after 20 years or so. 

[Slacks 7028]

1 hour ago, Horn Dogg said:

I’ve met so many government employees that claim to have given up big time “private sector money” to “serve.”  Most of them couldn’t handle the pressure of working at a place that has to make a profit and doesn’t offer a cushy ass retirement after 20 years or so. 

Interesting. When I sold to Civilian departments, most of them were pretty honest about the early retirement/pension being the prime reason they were staying in the lower paying gig. Their pressures were different, not non-existent.

Maybe at the pencil/button-pusher level, people were hiding and wouldn't be able to get into the high stress corporate world, but most people I ran across were SMEs that could lead teams, etc.

[MissingInAction 25501]

3 hours ago, Horn Dogg said:

I’ve met so many government employees that claim to have given up big time “private sector money” to “serve.”  Most of them couldn’t handle the pressure of working at a place that has to make a profit and doesn’t offer a cushy ass retirement after 20 years or so. 

Ive worked in the public sector a long time. Sometimes in a capacity in which a mistake would cost many lives.

That's pressure. Not trying to hit your quota end of fiscal year.

[Longhorn94 2490]

3 hours ago, Horn Dogg said:

I’ve met so many government employees that claim to have given up big time “private sector money” to “serve.”  Most of them couldn’t handle the pressure of working at a place that has to make a profit and doesn’t offer a cushy ass retirement after 20 years or so. 

This idea that "big time" corporate folks are competent and good at their jobs is laughable to anyone who works in or with "big time" corporations.

Edited 7 hours ago by Longhorn94

[bolverk 30247]

29 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Ive worked in the public sector a long time. Sometimes in a capacity in which a mistake would cost many lives.

That's pressure. Not trying to hit your quota end of fiscal year.

 

4 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

This idea that "big time" corporate folks are competent and good at their jobs is laughable to anyone who works in or with "big time" corporations.

Yeah, what he's describing sounds more like working at any large bureaucratic organization, public or private. The pressure he's talking about is more like what you experience working at a small shop of 10-15 people where everyone has real skin in the game to stay afloat.

[C-Man 27698]

In reversal, key House panel votes to release Matt Gaetz ethics report

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/18/politics/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-committee/index.html

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The House Ethics Committee secretly voted earlier this month to release its report into the conduct of former Rep. Matt Gaetz before the end of this Congress, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the matter.

The report is now expected to be made public after the House’s final day of votes this year as lawmakers leave Washington for the holidays, those sources said.

The vote, which has not previously been reported, amounts to a stark reversal for the panel after it had voted along party lines in late November not to release the results of the investigation. The decision to release the report suggests that some Republicans ultimately decided to side with Democrats on the matter, and it is unclear if the committee will once again change course now that it has voted.

When the committee voted last month to shelve the report, Gaetz was President-elect Donald Trump’s choice to be attorney general. Since then, Gaetz withdrew himself from consideration for the Senate-confirmed post, though he maintains frosty relations with many in his party and is still active in GOP politics.

It is exceedingly rare for an ethics report to be released after a member has left Congress, though it has happened on a couple of occasions in the past. The committee revisited the issue behind closed doors earlier this month after a feud over the report spilled into public view before Thanksgiving.

The Ethics Committee’s report concludes a years-long probe into numerous allegations against Gaetz, including whether he engaged in sexual misconduct, used illicit drugs, “shared inappropriate images or videos on the House floor, misused state identification records, converted campaign funds to personal use, and/or accepted a bribe, improper gratuity, or impermissible gifts,” according to an announcement by the panel last summer.

Gaetz did not immediately respond to a request for comment on this story.

Gaetz has vigorously denied all the allegations and has characterized the investigation as a witch-hunt.

Speaker Mike Johnson has said that he does not believe the report should be released, since Gaetz is no longer a member of Congress after he abruptly resigned once Trump announced him as his initial attorney general choice. Johnson has acknowledged he has no role on the operations of the panel, which has traditionally operated separately from leadership. Many lawmakers believed that Gaetz resigned to try to bury the investigation.

Gaetz, who was reelected to the seat last month prior to his resignation, has said he has no plans of returning to Congress next year.

“I’m still going to be in the fight, but it’s going to be from a new perch. I do not intend to join the 119th Congress,” he told Charlie Kirk in an interview last month.

“I’m going to be fighting for President Trump. I’m going to be doing whatever he asks of me, as I always have. But I think that eight years is probably enough time in the United States Congress,” he said.

He also recently announced that he will be joining One America News Network in January.

A spokesman for the committee did not respond to CNN’s request for comment.

 

[Brisketexan 106673]

4 hours ago, Horn Dogg said:

I’ve met so many government employees that claim to have given up big time “private sector money” to “serve.”  Most of them couldn’t handle the pressure of working at a place that has to make a profit and doesn’t offer a cushy ass retirement after 20 years or so. 

 

47 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Ive worked in the public sector a long time. Sometimes in a capacity in which a mistake would cost many lives.

That's pressure. Not trying to hit your quota end of fiscal year.

Bingo.

I've crossed paths with MANY public sector employees in a professional capacity.  Like any other pool of people, there are some shitty performers and some dead-weight.  But the vast majority take their jobs quite seriously (the people depend on them for some pretty essential things), and they face enormous pressure - from their superiors, from the public (which wants A+ services while paying the lowest taxes/fees).  I've worked with people who were proud to have kept a critical system functioning on a shoestring budget, literally held together in some places with bolts and baling wire, because that's what the public demanded (by the way, the deferred maintenance costs ALWAYS catch up with you eventually, no matter what the public demands).

Truly, I've worked with hundreds if not thousands of people in both the public and private sector.  And in my experience, the percentage of dead-weight/drones/I-don't-give-a-shit folks is about the same wherever you go.  Small private companies, big private companies, small public sector employers and big ones.

I know this is hard to believe, but there are actually people who are really proud of the jobs they do, providing things like drinking water, electricity, transportation, and the like to their fellow citizens.  They know they don't make the biggest bucks, but they are genuinely happy doing what they do.

[GhostOfTomJoad 9491]

Same here. After 30+ years in corporate America I was downsized because 50-something middle managers w/ pensions are easy targets for elimination. I've been working for the COA for almost 18 mos and been promoted from supervisor to manager in that time. I'm re-energized, enjoying new challenges, and am enjoying the process of teaching my direct reports how to work with a different mindset while developing their leadership skills.

Corporate or government. Makes no difference. Bureaucracy exists in both arenas.

[mchookem 16739]

also...the threat of ending up on the front page or in the crosshairs of the legislature is a constant worry, especially in an agency with a political head. and the audits, good lord the audits 😳 

anybody who thinks the public sector is easy and 'cushy' has no idea or real experience. for me, my mate, and most people i worked with, the stress and pressure was very high, especially at an agency like CPA.

not saying there aren't bad employees...but those are literally everywhere. 

[mchookem 16739]

31 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I've worked with people who were proud to have kept a critical system functioning on a shoestring budget, literally held together in some places with bolts and baling wire, because that's what the public demanded (by the way, the deferred maintenance costs ALWAYS catch up with you eventually, no matter what the public demands).

oh i see you've worked with a lot of government IT staff! 😄🤨

[Nivek 17353]

6 hours ago, Horn Dogg said:

I’ve met so many government employees that claim to have given up big time “private sector money” to “serve.”  Most of them couldn’t handle the pressure of working at a place that has to make a profit and doesn’t offer a cushy ass retirement after 20 years or so. 

I have read so much bullshit from people who overstate the challenges they have to face while simultaneously minimizing the challenges others face. 

But let's get real.  You believed the "I am from the government and I am here to help" bullshit/lie and ran with it.  The military, police, roads, sewage, vaccines, education, treaties, building codes, firemen, GPS you use to not get lost, road signs, stop signs, stop lights, zoning so you don't live next to a chemical plant and drink polluted water, that is all from the fucking government you deride while enjoying the benefits of. 

It was the oil industry who turned to the government to ask for regulations to prevent another spindletop situation.  It was the public who cried out for food safety after they read Sinclair's The Jungle.  You deride the education that allowed you to hire or paid for the person who hired and mentored you.  You likely claim to be a self-made man, while ignoring the society that nurtured your development and cared for you.  

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Nivek

[YChang 3533]

31 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

Corporate or government. Makes no difference. Bureaucracy exists in both arenas.

 

The funny thing is bureacuracy was created/implemented ages ago point to cut down on hiring without merit or using familial relations. I've no longer see it as purely bad... sometimes it's very necessary. 

[Foosters 18241]

We can go on forever spinning anecdotes, but I just want to note how impressed I am that HornDogg is able to have a conversation with someone, and from that conversation, gauge a person's ability to work under high pressure situations. Dude should become a life coach or psychologist or something.

[Pig Bellmont 8875]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

know this is hard to believe, but there are actually people who are really proud of the jobs they do, providing things like drinking water, electricity, transportation, and the like to their fellow citizens.  They know they don't make the biggest bucks, but they are genuinely happy doing what they do.

Don’t worry because we’re intentionally and openly returning to the spoils system as Andrew Jackson intended. Also it turns out Jackson’s presidency is a fantastic analogue for Trump from committing horrific atrocities rounding up minorities, to large scale destabilization of economic policies, and elevating an army of unqualified loyalists to government jobs.
 

The difference being that a democratic administration actually came in and invested in jobs, expanded manufacturing, cooled inflation and the American people said “fuck that responsible governance garbage- the prior guy only just started to irreparably damage everything. Lets do that but without anyone around to tell him no”

[royiv 9710]

48 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I have read so much bullshit from people who overstate the challenges they have to face while simultaneously minimizing the challenges others face. 

But let's get real.  You believed the lie "I am from the government and I am here to help" bullshit and ran with it.  The military, police, roads, sewage, vaccines, education, treaties, building codes, firemen, GPS you use to not get lost, road signs, stop signs, stop lights, zoning so you don't live next to a chemical plant and drink polluted water, that is all from the fucking government you deride while enjoying the benefits of. 

It was the oil industry who turned to the government to ask for regulations to prevent another spindletop situation.  It was the public who cried out for food safety after they read Sinclair's The Jungle.  

 

Probably could have left police off your list. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19565]

2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Don’t worry because we’re intentionally and openly returning to the spoils system as Andrew Jackson intended. Also it turns out Jackson’s presidency is a fantastic analogue for Trump from committing horrific atrocities rounding up minorities, to large scale destabilization of economic policies, and elevating an army of unqualified loyalists to government jobs.
 

The difference being that a democratic administration actually came in and invested in jobs, expanded manufacturing, cooled inflation and the American people said “fuck that responsible governance garbage- the prior guy only just started to irreparably damage everything. Lets do that but without anyone around to tell him no”

Our only hope is that the house is such a back stabbing shit show out to punish their political rivals they never get around to trying to govern before we get to the mid-terms. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 34085]

3 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Our only hope is that the house is such a back stabbing shit show out to punish their political rivals they never get around to trying to govern before we get to the mid-terms. 

 

[Chad Fuck 18096]

3 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Our only hope is that the house is such a back stabbing shit show out to punish their political rivals they never get around to trying to govern before we get to the mid-terms. 

I think there is a pretty good shot that this happens.  Especially since the Rs can only lose a few votes.

[Pescado_Rojo 19565]

6 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

I think there is a pretty good shot that this happens.  Especially since the Rs can only lose a few votes.

another weeks long speaker battle would be nice. 

[C-Man 27698]

1 hour ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

another weeks long speaker battle would be nice. 

And wasting months and months going after Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger.

[Aqua Buddha 14784]

Wall Street is finally realizing that Trump means what he says.

 

[aggie08 21745]

11 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Wall Street is finally realizing that Trump means what he says.

 

...or doesn't. I can never tell which is better/worse.

[linux 1768]

On 12/17/2024 at 7:43 AM, Gatorubet said:

 

This is the conclusion of a note from General Ismay to the British Cabinet sent on 20th September 1938, marked ‘Secret’. Ismay was Secretary of the Committee of Imperial Defense.

I honestly have no idea how much this influenced the Munich Pact, but I note that it was signed nine days after this correspondence. 

A) Still does not explain why British Aircraft production in 1939 was so miniscule less than 25% of 1943 output

B) Also does not explain the Halifax appeasement wing on 1940, had the Dunkirk evacuation been a failure, the government of Churchill would have collapsed and Hallifax would have sued for peace. 

There were significantly influential fascists looking to help Hitler during the war in both the US and UK, but since their societies back then were not as easily brainwashed so a plan establish a "Q figure to end pedophilia installing an orange god emperor" plot would have failed. Also they would have been locked up for treason. 

The world will probably end because of social media and talk radio. The idiot found the other idiot and they shared ideas.

[DDD Dad 14587]

9 minutes ago, linux said:

The world will probably end because of social media and talk radio. The idiot found the other idiot and they shared ideas.

There's no need to drag Joe Rogan and [fill in the blank] into this.

[Felix 615]

5 hours ago, Nivek said:

I have read so much bullshit from people who overstate the challenges they have to face while simultaneously minimizing the challenges others face. 

But let's get real.  You believed the "I am from the government and I am here to help" bullshit/lie and ran with it.  The military, police, roads, sewage, vaccines, education, treaties, building codes, firemen, GPS you use to not get lost, road signs, stop signs, stop lights, zoning so you don't live next to a chemical plant and drink polluted water, that is all from the fucking government you deride while enjoying the benefits of. 

It was the oil industry who turned to the government to ask for regulations to prevent another spindletop situation.  It was the public who cried out for food safety after they read Sinclair's The Jungle.  You deride the education that allowed you to hire or paid for the person who hired and mentored you.  You likely claim to be a self-made man, while ignoring the society that nurtured your development and cared for you.  

 

Just quoting this one as being on topic for the topic, not particularly responding to this, but it's also relevant.

My Dad worked his way up from Accountant I to Director of Accounting at Texas Health and Human Services Dept.  In the 30 years he worked there the state shifted from Dem run to Rep run.  Once the Reps came in, every few years they'd try to bring in a private contractor to, allegedly, make things more efficient.  None of them lasted very long because they didn't understand the scope of work and inevitably under bid the project because they didn't realize that most of the inefficiencies were written in the law and, thus, couldn't just be streamlined. 

Each time they would come to him and say "Why do we have to do it this way?"  Every single time the answer was "Because the legislature made this law because some private company found a loophole in the law and corn holed the tax payers out of millions of dollars."

Do you know why it takes three forms and three levels of approval to buy a pencil?  Because, some outside business found a hole the rules so that they could charge $5 for a $ .20 pencil and bilked the state for millions before it was discovered.

They also didn't grasp the size of the budget or the services they would be required to provide, and thus were incredibly understaffed and inefficient because they thought providing hundreds of thousands of people services costing billions of dollars would be easy if they could just get their MBA asses on the job and find all the alleged bloat.  Then they found out there wasn't nearly as much bloat as they thought.  In fact, considering what they provided, it's a miracle they can do it with what they have.