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I hate speaking for Ag with Kids but generally speaking most people view the effectiveness of a gerrymander as the delta between who wins House elections as compared to how a state votes on a statewide basis. That’s why he is pointing to the discrepancy between statewide totals and representation in the house.

Clearly individual candidates matter as well.

Interestingly, I learned tonight that California has a somewhat independent commission drawing house districts. New York has something similar.

The comparison to Texas is poor because the Texas Rs have effectively reached the limits of their ability to further gerrymander house seats. After the 2020 census, they had to give numerous safe seats to the Democratic Party to keep the majority of R incumbents safe.

Both California and New York have several competitive seats.

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46 minutes ago, Ghost of NMAS said:

If the GOP is claiming that Trump won California and New York then this election really was stolen

*stollen

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Posted
No.

There is only one party that has ever seriously championed nonpartisan redistricting policies. Welcome to the Democratic party. Glad to have you aboard.
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Posted
1 hour ago, Ag with kids said:

In Texas, people voted for Trump 56%-43%.

The legislature is 59% Republican and 41% Democrat.

 

Contrast to CA:

Trump 59-38, Legisture 82-17...

 

One is actually close like I think it should be.  The other isn't.

Actually look at the districts and how they are drawn. Look at voter trends by zip. It’s way more complicated than your simple math. 

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25 minutes ago, hookemATL said:

He votes Republican because he loves the idea of hurting marginalized people, just like every other nazi sympathizing piece of shit that votes for the GOP.
 

THESE ARE NOT SERIOUS OR DECENT HUMANS. THEY LACK EMPATHY ON A PERSONAL AND GLOBAL LEVEL, AND DO NOT BELIEVE ANYONE OTHER THAN THEMSELVES (OR PEOPLE WITH THAT FOLLOW THEIR GOD OR LOOK LIKE THEM) DESERVES HAPPINESS AND FREEDOM. 

He doesn’t provide cogent or thoughtful defenses because there is no defending the vile shit they do top to bottom.  The Republican Party is a blight, and he is just another locust in the swarm  

plus he’s a fucking aggy, which should be the biggest red flag of all. 

i voted republican because kamala hadn't really convinced me.

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Posted
8 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

️Massive Oklahoma job loss as 600 federal employees at Tinker Air Force Base will be fired tomorrow
️ Tinker is the largest single site employer in Oklahoma

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7 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

In fairness, one of my old man's high school buddies worked his whole career at Tinker.  We would periodically visit them at their home in Moore.

I enjoyed those visits very, very much, because dad's buddy had a daughter a year older than me who was a ridiculously attractive brunette with very large attention-getting.....things that got Brisket's attention.  Brisket had it bad for her, for many years.

Brisket has since learned that yes, she is an okie through and through, she is a single mom, lives on gov't assistance, and moved back in with her folks.  And, per my dad based on his last visit there, she looked like hell.  50 okie years is like 90 regular years, I think.

pics from when she was hot?

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Posted
I hate this because the Leopard ate a kids ears. I need it to eat the mom and dad’s face. 

On the bright side, there’s a good chance that kid is going to grow up to HATE her shitty parents, will cut them out of her life, and will cause them immense sadness and pain, because of what those assholes put her through for no reason.
So, smile!
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Posted
8 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

In fairness, one of my old man's high school buddies worked his whole career at Tinker.  We would periodically visit them at their home in Moore.

I enjoyed those visits very, very much, because dad's buddy had a daughter a year older than me who was a ridiculously attractive brunette with very large attention-getting.....things that got Brisket's attention.  Brisket had it bad for her, for many years.

Brisket has since learned that yes, she is an okie through and through, she is a single mom, lives on gov't assistance, and moved back in with her folks.  And, per my dad based on his last visit there, she looked like hell.  50 okie years is like 90 regular years, I think.

lol.  God damn.  From Moore.  Old man worked at Tinker.  I wonder if I knew dem tittiez…

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Posted
59 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

Actually look at the districts and how they are drawn. Look at voter trends by zip. It’s way more complicated than your simple math. 

I think how they're drawn is stupid.

Go look at what my actual position is on this...

 

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1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

this is the way

Nah. Fatwas against our sports rivals are best for negging.

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Posted
7 hours ago, GenXer said:

The mayor of choctaw oklahoma weighs in on the tinker situation.

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tldr

Mayor Chad is praying. Leopards are preying.

Zac is amused.

And the people of oklahoma county? What say you last november?

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"Since the "Fork in the Road" e-mail, there have been at least 19 follow-ups, all contradicting each other"

Contradicting would be saying you support the movement the president has built while opposing the actions of Elon despite the president explicitly stating that he thinks Elon is doing a "great job" and wants him to get "more aggressive".

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11 hours ago, Born to Run said:

My wife is on a Lake Travis Moms group. I have no idea why except for the drip of idiocy dopamine hits, like sick fucks that frequent Tex Ags here. Anyway, lots of posts looking for Anti Vax pediatricians- apparently and the ground zero for patriot DRs is Marble Falls.  Least suprising news ever. At least DKR passed peacefully before the freaks killed him vía a previously cured disease.

You have no idea why, but in 8-9. On the when she starts talking to you about energy crystals you’ll know she fun goofed. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Okie State said:

Choc another one up to 'I support what they're doing, just not that they're doing it to us.'

Donald Trump could shoot their dog while Elon rapes their mother and MAGA would start by saying the same thing.

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15 hours ago, bolverk said:

My rule is to only neg: 1) lies, 2) trolling, and 3) bigotry. If someone comes in here and can't avoid doing one of those three things, they're not worth talking to.

I neg people who whine about negging. 

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Posted
8 hours ago, Ag with kids said:

I think how they're drawn is stupid.

Go look at what my actual position is on this...

 

Not responding to questions about designing districts to produce predetermined outcomes?

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8 hours ago, GenXer said:

The mayor of choctaw oklahoma weighs in on the tinker situation.

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tldr

Mayor Chad is praying. Leopards are preying.

Zac is amused.

And the people of oklahoma county? What say you last november?

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All Cox sucker and his shithole state is getting exactly what they deserve.  Fuck him.  Fuck them.  

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11 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

 

Fake news!   We have been over run this year... SOOOOOOOO many Canadians down here.  It was supposed to be the one bright spot in this whole mess.  In words of Tangerine Palpatine, they're not sending the good ones! 

 

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2 hours ago, Okie State said:

Choc another one up to 'I support what they're doing, just not that they're doing it to us.'

choc?

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On 2/21/2025 at 8:58 AM, Degenerate Gardner said:

I’m going with Bonhoeffer. It doesn’t seem like a great sign when the words of a German theologian murdered by Nazis resonate so:
 

On Stupidity

Just wanted to say thanks for the Bonhoeffer link. Spot on. I'm sharing with friends/family. 

 

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43 minutes ago, locodos said:

It's almost like the people who want small government, still want lots of things from the government.

Yep, as we've said on this thread the best part of the indiscriminate government slashing is that the idiot rubes genuinely don't understand that on the whole Democratic areas give money and Republican areas take money from the federal government. 

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Posted (edited)
21 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

if you follow that logic, then Reagan‘s sweep of 49 states would result in a 98% Republican Congress.     Or - maybe that event was just one election with a candidate weakened by massive inflation, the Iran hostage crisis, and a bunch of other issues that decided the presidency that year. 

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Enough of the voting population in the various states liked Democrats that 47 senators were democrats the year of Reagan’s election.

Saying that because of a single presidential election 98% of the Congress should be GOP as a result of that election is mind numbingly stupid.   that goes for his display of Trump votes in two states to justify a claim that those states are gerrymandered.

It is just more false facts to support why the GOP does not want actual democracy.  Which is why they gerrymand, why they interfere in elections by making it hard for Democrats in Democratic voting areas to find a polling booth, why they want to introduce owners restrictions on voting in general, because they know poor people have more difficulty proving the things they want, thereby diminishing democratic vote - and why they do things like pass bills that say you can’t give water to people standing in line in the hot sun to vote - because the GOP placed a reduced number of voting machines in that Democratic area to limit votes and make the weight in line so onerous that people give up. 

that is his team, and he won’t show up to admit any of that. 

 

If you are going to berate @Ag with kids for his position, you could at least understand it so you don’t completely misrepresent it.  In that 1980 landslide, Reagan got about 50.7% of the populace vote, which I believe @Ag with kids is saying should end up to approximate their control of Congress

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Posted (edited)
12 hours ago, hornmpa96 said:

I hate speaking for Ag with Kids but generally speaking most people view the effectiveness of a gerrymander as the delta between who wins House elections as compared to how a state votes on a statewide basis. That’s why he is pointing to the discrepancy between statewide totals and representation in the house.

 

I understand his point of view, but put another way that delta measures the extent to which the parties do not have to be responsive to local issues, which @Ag with kids puts in quotes, but has never responded to, going back literally two full decades. 
My position is really simple: gerrymandering on the basis of party is incompatible with representative democracy and corrosive to the Republic. 
 

12 hours ago, hornmpa96 said:

Both California and New York have several competitive seats.

And that is BECAUSE local issues often transcend party when districts are designed around communities of interest. 
 

 

54 minutes ago, Ghost of NMAS said:

which I believe @Ag with kids is saying should end up to approximate their control of Congress

But when he does that he’s begging the question (ie, that it should), because, again, local issues and candidates often transcend party when districts are designed around communities of interest. 
 

The only hypothesis I’ve been able to come with for why he thinks that (because he won’t explain why it “should” be that way) is that he genuinely believes that parties represent some kind of school of thought or ideology, which is of course suckerbait. 
 

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:
My position is really simple: gerrymandering on the basis of party is incompatible with representative democracy and corrosive to the Republic. 
 

 

I completely agree with this point. I only posted because it appeared to me that Gator is essentially misrepresenting his point. 

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41 minutes ago, Mittens said:

I know we're all pointing and laughing at the fools who voted for their own demise, but I'm also heartbroken for those who didn't vote for the orange asshole who are getting caught up in this bullshit.  My cousin was raised in an Army home, and when my uncle retired, he went to on work for the VA for another 20 years.  She's married to a Marine Corps Colonel.  Has worked for the VA for roughly 15yrs and other federal orgs here and there as she's moved w/ her husband.  She's never not been in service of this country, in one way or another.  Currently she is w/ the VA, helping elderly vets manage their benefits and lifestyle transitions (read: losing their spouse/living single, moving into managed housing, etc).  She is having to deal with this, and it wouldn't surprise me if she loses her job because helping vets navigate their elder years isn't considered mission critical.  Fuck Trump.  Fuck Musk.  Fuck every dumb cunt who voted for and supports those pieces of shit.

My older sister left her RN hospital job after 25 years and now works for a VA program to help pregnant veterans get support and resources they may need entering motherhood. I don't know if her job will be safe, I haven't talked to her about her thoughts, but I can't imagine it's the safest. She also voted for Trump because her and her husband (USPS worker) swore their retirement accounts only lose money under blue presidents and print money under red ....... so..... whatever. I have a suspicion they did fine the last 4 years and only talk about the wins when it suits their vote. Definitely not because her husband is a raging bigot and would have never voted for a black person, they swear it's only because of the retirement money. Not the "The Cowboys will never win a super bowl with a (hard R) at quarterback" at Thanksgiving style bigotry. If Kamala had a plan to personally make them wealthy in retirement they would have voted for her I'm sure. /s


....I love my sister, and realize there's a growing chance they have fucked around plenty and are entering the next phase,  but at least I know she will be fine because she can always go back to delivering babies, even if she was done with it after a couple decades. 

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Posted
34 minutes ago, Ghost of NMAS said:

If you are going to berate @Ag with kids for his position, you could at least understand it so you don’t completely misrepresent it.  In that 1980 landslide, Reagan got about 50.7% of the populace vote, which I believe @Ag with kids is saying should end up to approximate their control of Congress

Misrepresent? You are throwing the same nonsensical bullshit against the wall.  There is no nexus between one presidential election and the make up of Congress that should erase the considered individual congressional election results throughout the country.   

What are you suggesting? That in two years after Reagan won, we cancel the bi-elections?   I mean, we don’t have a presidential race to tell us how many congressmen should be from what party in every state two years later.   Cancel them,  I guess… or use the same percentage until the next presidential election?  That is stupidity on steroids.  You are arguing to cancel individual state congressional elections with some vague process that matches Congress party apportionment with a presidential election result.  

And what do you intend to do with winning candidates who are independents? They have no winning presidential candidate to allow them to latch onto their coattails and go to Congress.   So I guess we ban independents and replace them with GOP members?

It ignores the political maxim that all politics is local.   You provide no mechanism for how you decide who sits in Congress, or how we figure out off year election congressional seating.  Ag has not bothered to share that and you have not bothered to interpret that for him. 

The bottom line is, you can’t throw out some bullshit like this that eviscerates the constitution’s enactment of congressional elections - and not share one peep of how this presidential popular election result controls the make up of Congress mandate will work - or why it is not patently unconstitutional.  I mean, you can, and just did, but that doesn’t make the author of this plan immune from criticism for expressing it.

“Lets do some stuff nullifying the constitution and popular elections to get more GOP members in Congress” obviously holds some attractiveness to Ag and like thinking MAGA’s, but it would really be helpful for him to get a little more granular if he wants acceptance of that idea.

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