Jump to content

The Leopards Eating Faces and Unlubed Dildo of Consequences Thread


Recommended Posts

Posted
7 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

My neighbor a few houses down has a "Gays for Trump" sticker on his rear window.  Last night my wife and I were walking by and he was trying to escape it off.  I was laughing hysterically as we passed him by. My wife said WTF are you laughing at.  I told her Id tell her when we were little farther down the block. 

I told her and she turned around and stared. He was looking right at us. 

Made my night. 

 

You put that sticker on there, didn't you?

 

  • Hook 'Em 1
  • Like 1
  • Haha 6
  • Drool 1
Posted
17 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

So you’re allowed to hold former presidents accountable for crimes? Crazy

Yea weird how supposedly “lesser” nations can figure that kind of stuff out

  • Hook 'Em 4
Posted
6 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

He’s just narcissistic to the level that he and his buddies believe they’re all  player 1 in life .

That’s actually the best description I’ve seen of people who lack empathy.  Of which I’ve learned there are a FUCK TON of. 

  • Hook 'Em 3
  • Like 1
Posted
36 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

That’s actually the best description I’ve seen of people who lack empathy.  Of which I’ve learned there are a FUCK TON of. 

Marvelous how you avoided the dangling preposition, yet dangled one anyway. 😛

  • Haha 9
Posted
7 hours ago, Post Oak said:

My neighbor a few houses down has a "Gays for Trump" sticker on his rear window.  Last night my wife and I were walking by and he was trying to escape it off.  I was laughing hysterically as we passed him by. My wife said WTF are you laughing at.  I told her Id tell her when we were little farther down the block. 

I told her and she turned around and stared. He was looking right at us. 

Made my night. 

 

I don’t understand the need to advertise who you’re voting for. I’ve got a good buddy’s sign in my front yard - he’s running for our school board - and it still really bothers me. I don’t want anyone knowing shit about me. 

  • Like 1
Posted (edited)
17 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

You put that sticker on there, didn't you?

 

CSB… I was maybe 11, spent Saturday night at a friends, they were cool, their parents went out dancing a lot. I made a deal with my folks to spend the night but I had still had to go to church the next morning - appearances and all. My friend’s parents had an extra bumper sticker for the “Tumbleweed” a bar and dance hall that used to be located on the big hill on 2222 before 620. Anyway I took the bumper sticker home(with permission) and first thing before we left for church I affixed it to our family’s 1974 red Chevy caprice classic (it’s 1986). I did a terrible job, it was wrinkly and crooked but my bumper sticker was on the car for all the monied Hyde Parkers my dad wanted to impress to see. He didn’t notice until walking back from lunch at some steakhouse spot with one of those all you can eat salad bars when one of his church “friends” pointed it out laughing. It was a classic Simpsons point and laugh. Pretty sure I got my ass beat for that. Pretty sure he never impressed anyone at that church either. 

Edited by troph
  • Hook 'Em 2
  • Haha 3
  • Fuck Around and Find Out 1
Posted
17 hours ago, YChang said:

How can someone in the caring profession be this… uncaring?

Chances are that she's not all that caring to begin with. She treats trauma victims with regurgitated grad school jargon which likely is indeed helpful to some of them. She likely applies the regurgitation in the same passionless way that a mechanic fixes a motor. Fortunately for the mechanic, he doesn't have to speak (fill his space) with arcane gradstudent-ese.

I imagine the conversation between the woman and her husband was filled with double-talk and obscurity. I must be self-actualized about the cajas llenas de mierdo (God how we loved that book by Culogrande!) that crowd my truth space. 

She's seems sort of self-important to begin with. Fuck her.

Posted
22 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Chances are that she's not all that caring to begin with. She treats trauma victims with regurgitated grad school jargon which likely is indeed helpful to some of them. She likely applies the regurgitation in the same passionless way that a mechanic fixes a motor. Fortunately for the mechanic, he doesn't have to speak (fill his space) with arcane gradstudent-ese.

I imagine the conversation between the woman and her husband was filled with double-talk and obscurity. I must be self-actualized about the cajas llenas de mierdo (God how we loved that book by Culogrande!) that crowd my truth space. 

She's seems sort of self-important to begin with. Fuck her.

Yeah, I get it. Just surprised me because the people I know in this field are generally caring people and a big part of why they get into the profession. And hey! I resent that grad school jargon dig. 😁

  • Like 1
Posted
2 hours ago, YChang said:

Yeah, I get it. Just surprised me because the people I know in this field are generally caring people and a big part of why they get into the profession. And hey! I resent that grad school jargon dig. 😁

  😁

I agree with you. I've worked with social work professionals and they usually fit the mold you describe.

I have a jihad against what grad school is doing to writing and language. Not crazy about the increasingly weak assumption that a higher degree means a lot. On resume's and job interviews, it seems to mean everything. Graduate degreed bosses are hiring same so they can all confirm how smart they might be.

I have a graduate degree myself, but it wasn't the usual path. I'm sure yours required more rigor.

Maybe all the grad school grads randomly being axed from government makes this post fit the the thread. I'm sure the never-Trumpers don't deserve it!

  • Haha 1
Posted

For my wife’s career the fallback was hiring folks with engineering degrees, even for jobs that required no engineering work.

Made her mental, because it cost the city more than the job ought to have, and also because too many of these particular hires were clueless at how to manage.

Posted
6 hours ago, troph said:

CSB… I was maybe 11, spent Saturday night at a friends, they were cool, their parents went out dancing a lot. I made a deal with my folks to spend the night but I had still had to go to church the next morning - appearances and all. My friend’s parents had an extra bumper sticker for the “Tumbleweed” a bar and dance hall that used to be located on the big hill on 2222 before 620. Anyway I took the bumper sticker home(with permission) and first thing before we left for church I affixed it to our family’s 1974 red Chevy caprice classic (it’s 1986). I did a terrible job, it was wrinkly and crooked but my bumper sticker was on the car for all the monied Hyde Parkers my dad wanted to impress to see. He didn’t notice until walking back from lunch at some steakhouse spot with one of those all you can eat salad bars when one of his church “friends” pointed it out laughing. It was a classic Simpsons point and laugh. Pretty sure I got my ass beat for that. Pretty sure he never impressed anyone at that church either. 

The Tumbleweed was badass and where I learned the Cotton Eye Joe. Circa '82. I'd love to have that sign.

 

  • Drool 1
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, smuggs said:

The Tumbleweed was badass and where I learned the Cotton Eye Joe. Circa '82. I'd love to have that sign.

 

I was pretty green to the world at age 11 but even then I thought my dad was a tool, it was just a bumper sticker and decent people said the place was fun. Jesus Johnny I thought as my dad pulled out his belt. It’s not like you were gonna win over the doctors and lawyers at church rolling up to the K-Bob’s Steakhouse in an 11-12 year old Caprice Classic with vinyl seats but for a Tumbleweed bumper sticker. 

Edited by troph
  • Hook 'Em 2
  • Like 2
Posted
9 hours ago, troph said:

CSB… I was maybe 11, spent Saturday night at a friends, they were cool, their parents went out dancing a lot. I made a deal with my folks to spend the night but I had still had to go to church the next morning - appearances and all. My friend’s parents had an extra bumper sticker for the “Tumbleweed” a bar and dance hall that used to be located on the big hill on 2222 before 620. Anyway I took the bumper sticker home(with permission) and first thing before we left for church I affixed it to our family’s 1974 red Chevy caprice classic (it’s 1986). I did a terrible job, it was wrinkly and crooked but my bumper sticker was on the car for all the monied Hyde Parkers my dad wanted to impress to see. He didn’t notice until walking back from lunch at some steakhouse spot with one of those all you can eat salad bars when one of his church “friends” pointed it out laughing. It was a classic Simpsons point and laugh. Pretty sure I got my ass beat for that. Pretty sure he never impressed anyone at that church either. 

Wait the classic was the convertible no?

Posted
6 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

  😁

I agree with you. I've worked with social work professionals and they usually fit the mold you describe.

I have a jihad against what grad school is doing to writing and language. Not crazy about the increasingly weak assumption that a higher degree means a lot. On resume's and job interviews, it seems to mean everything. Graduate degreed bosses are hiring same so they can all confirm how smart they might be.

I have a graduate degree myself, but it wasn't the usual path. I'm sure yours required more rigor.

Maybe all the grad school grads randomly being axed from government makes this post fit the the thread. I'm sure the never-Trumpers don't deserve it!

Curious what you mean exactly re: writing and language. 

Posted (edited)
15 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

Curious what you mean exactly re: writing and language. 

The process for earning a masters or PhD has become, seemingly to me (an idiot), an assembly line of templates and specific directions for writing. Passive voice. Over-describing a single item. Adoption or creation of words that are not needed.

Recently, I read a description of a process where I work. If done correctly one might hope to attain "connectedness" with another person. There's already a word for what the writer wanted to convey, but the person's mind and writing were full of academic sounding words and forms that are tedious and sometimes obscure.

It's my guess that back when graduate degrees were rarer, the candidates were actually gifted intellectuals who did not worry about articulating their thoughts and discoveries. They arrived to grad school having already established a voice and ability to array information in a natural way.

I cringe when I hear someone talk about what the data says. Where I work, we must seek "data-driven" solutions. 

This shit will all pass when some other arcane or needless phrase appears from some doctoral candidate striving for a new expression to distinguish their largely useless investigations from the other useless investigations conducted on nearly the very same subject.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure the elite intellectuals who defined graduate degrees in the past are still present in that system and doing brilliant, useful work. I also think peddling grad degrees as a resume enhancer is a racket kind of like student loans. $$$$

I write for a living. I'm sensitive to overuse of the arcane. I'm not an elite writer, but I know what I'm doing and don't copy a template. Those who need one are not elite intellectuals in my humble opinion.

Edited by RomaVicta
  • Hook 'Em 1
  • Like 3
Posted
11 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Chances are that she's not all that caring to begin with. She treats trauma victims with regurgitated grad school jargon which likely is indeed helpful to some of them. She likely applies the regurgitation in the same passionless way that a mechanic fixes a motor. Fortunately for the mechanic, he doesn't have to speak (fill his space) with arcane gradstudent-ese.

I imagine the conversation between the woman and her husband was filled with double-talk and obscurity. I must be self-actualized about the cajas llenas de mierdo (God how we loved that book by Culogrande!) that crowd my truth space. 

She's seems sort of self-important to begin with. Fuck her.

There's an even simpler explanation.  A lot of counselors/therapists, even some very effective/good ones. are a complete mess personally.  A lot of "physician heal thyself" in that profession, minus the healing.

  • Hook 'Em 3
  • Like 2
Posted
5 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

The process for earning a masters or PhD has become, seemingly to me (an idiot), an assembly line of templates and specific directions for writing. Passive voice. Over-describing a single item. Adoption or creation of words that are not needed.

Recently, I read a description of a process where I work. If done correctly one might hope to attain "connectedness" with another person. There's already a word for what the writer wanted to convey, but the person's mind and writing were full of academic sounding words and forms that are tedious and sometimes obscure.

It's my guess that back when graduate degrees were rarer, the candidates were actually gifted intellectuals who did now worry about articulating their thoughts and discoveries. They arrived to grad school having already established a voice and ability to array information in a natural way.

I cringe when I hear someone talk about what the data says. Where I work, we must seek "data-driven" solutions. 

This shit will all pass when some other arcane or needless phrase appears from some doctoral candidate striving for a new expression to distinguish their largely useless investigations from the other useless investigations conducted on nearly the very same subject.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure the elite intellectuals who defined graduate degrees in the past are still present in that system and doing brilliant, useful work. I also think peddling grad degrees as a resume enhancer is a racket kind of like student loans. $$$$

I write for a living. I'm sensitive to overuse of the arcane. I'm not an elite writer, but I know what I'm doing and don't copy a template. Those who need one are not elite intellectuals in my humble opinion.

Well, in this day of specialization and poor basic education, even the very learned in their field are often very poor writers.  And that's been true for a very long time.  Theses and dissertations outside the humanities, and a lot in the humanities, I'd wager, will make your eyes bleed.

  • Like 4
  • Drool 1
Posted
15 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

The process for earning a masters or PhD has become, seemingly to me (an idiot), an assembly line of templates and specific directions for writing. Passive voice. Over-describing a single item. Adoption or creation of words that are not needed.

Recently, I read a description of a process where I work. If done correctly one might hope to attain "connectedness" with another person. There's already a word for what the writer wanted to convey, but the person's mind and writing were full of academic sounding words and forms that are tedious and sometimes obscure.

It's my guess that back when graduate degrees were rarer, the candidates were actually gifted intellectuals who did now worry about articulating their thoughts and discoveries. They arrived to grad school having already established a voice and ability to array information in a natural way.

I cringe when I hear someone talk about what the data says. Where I work, we must seek "data-driven" solutions. 

This shit will all pass when some other arcane or needless phrase appears from some doctoral candidate striving for a new expression to distinguish their largely useless investigations from the other useless investigations conducted on nearly the very same subject.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure the elite intellectuals who defined graduate degrees in the past are still present in that system and doing brilliant, useful work. I also think peddling grad degrees as a resume enhancer is a racket kind of like student loans. $$$$

I write for a living. I'm sensitive to overuse of the arcane. I'm not an elite writer, but I know what I'm doing and don't copy a template. Those who need one are not elite intellectuals in my humble opinion.

At nearly every mentorship or informational interview I have, I tell grad students and interns to learn how to write clear declarative sentences and to practice turning five pages of work into one. Without AI.

  • Hook 'Em 5
  • Like 4
Posted (edited)
17 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

It’s intentionally esoteric language meant to exclude the plebes that haven’t done their grad school. 

Sometimes true, yes.  All the professions seem to have their jargon.  But I don't think it's really intentional, it's just immersion.

More than anything else, I think grad school theses and dissertations tend to just be a slog to document the research.  Not a great deal of thought is given to good writing or communication in most cases, just vomit it out and maybe try to spell things correctly and use complete sentences.  And it is incredibly easy when documenting research or experimentation to lapse into passive voice, because often the object (the research) is of far more importance than the actor.  Conversely, it can be quite hard to use very active voice.  ETA:  Hat tip to Terri LeClerq for helping me understand that neither I nor engineers were fundamentally defective writers, it's the nature of the writing we did in undergrad and the lack of more conventional persuasive or communicative writing.

Writing patent applications can be much the same way, but you have the benefit of doing it over and over again, not just "one and done" (and thank God at that).  So, if you give a shit, you can use it as writing practice and strive to make things as clear and readable as possible, even if you're stuck with certain obscure vocabulary.

Edited by TwiceHorn
  • Like 3
Posted
31 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

At nearly every mentorship or informational interview I have, I tell grad students and interns to learn how to write clear declarative sentences and to practice turning five pages of work into one. Without AI.

We retrain their stupid asses.

  • Like 2
Posted
9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Sometimes true, yes.  All the professions seem to have their jargon.  But I don't think it's really intentional, it's just immersion.

More than anything else, I think grad school theses and dissertations tend to just be a slog to document the research.  Not a great deal of thought is given to good writing or communication in most cases, just vomit it out and maybe try to spell things correctly and use complete sentences.  And it is incredibly easy when documenting research or experimentation to lapse into passive voice, because often the object (the research) is of far more importance than the actor.  Conversely, it can be quite hard to use very active voice.  ETA:  Hat tip to Terri LeClerq for helping me understand that neither I nor engineers were fundamentally defective writers, it's the nature of the writing we did in undergrad and the lack of more conventional persuasive or communicative writing.

Writing patent applications can be much the same way, but you have the benefit of doing it over and over again, not just "one and done" (and thank God at that).  So, if you give a shit, you can use it as writing practice and strive to make things as clear and readable as possible, even if you're stuck with certain obscure vocabulary.

You can’t be a good writer without first being a broad and experienced reader.  Academic and non-fiction writing won’t do to train your instincts.  Great books curriculum didn’t produce brilliant writers but it did produce coherent writers.  If I could design a reading boot camp for grad students I would include:

- The Gospels in New King James, which is accessible but gives you the rhythm and pace of modern English. 

- Bartleby the Scrivener by Melville

- A few Twain humorous essays

- Death in the Afternoon by Hemingway

- Orwell’s essay on shooting an elephant

- A Good Man is Hard to Find by O’Connor

- Something by W. Somerset Maugham and Graham Greene

- Good translations of some Chekov short stories 

- Good translations of Joseph Roth dispatches from Weimar Berlin 

- Strunk and White. Follow the rules until you are sure you are good enough to break them, sparingly. 

  • Hook 'Em 3
  • Like 2
  • Fuck Around and Find Out 1
Posted (edited)
18 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

You can’t be a good writer without first being a broad and experienced reader.  Academic and non-fiction writing won’t do to train your instincts.  Great books curriculum didn’t produce brilliant writers but it did produce coherent writers.  If I could design a reading boot camp for grad students I would include:

- The Gospels in New King James, which is accessible but gives you the rhythm and pace of modern English. 

- Bartleby the Scrivener by Melville

- A few Twain humorous essays

- Death in the Afternoon by Hemingway

- Orwell’s essay on shooting an elephant

- A Good Man is Hard to Find by O’Connor

- Something by W. Somerset Maugham and Graham Greene

- Good translations of some Chekov short stories 

- Good translations of Joseph Roth dispatches from Weimar Berlin 

- Strunk and White. Follow the rules until you are sure you are good enough to break them, sparingly. 

Good point.  Although I might submit that depending on the context of the reading (pleasure, academic, etc.) the benefit to writing can sometimes be lost.  On the other hand, some of it seems to be kind of osmotic:  you read it, it's gonna make some kind of impression.

I say all this having never written a grad school thesis or dissertation, but I have converted about a dozen of them into patent applications, or at least read them as a resource, which probably makes me a rare bird outside thesis advisors.

Edited by TwiceHorn
  • Hook 'Em 1
Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, in this day of specialization and poor basic education, even the very learned in their field are often very poor writers.  And that's been true for a very long time.  Theses and dissertations outside the humanities, and a lot in the humanities, I'd wager, will make your eyes bleed.

That says an awful lot about our education systems. You shouldn't be able to get an undergraduate degree if you cannot express your thoughts lucidly. It's part of being learned.

You're right about specialization. It's the result of turning universities into job training. Engineers don't need no writin' and thinkin' courses. It explains a lot about A&M. 

Edited by RomaVicta
  • Hook 'Em 2
  • Like 2
Posted
5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Good point.  Although I might submit that depending on the context of the reading (pleasure, academic, etc.) the benefit to writing can sometimes be lost.  On the other hand, some of it seems to be kind of osmotic:  you read it, it's gonna make some kind of impression.

I say all this having never written a grad school thesis or dissertation, but I have converted about a dozen of them into patent applications, or at least read them as a resource, which probably makes me a rare bird outside thesis advisors.

Recent grads with tech background, maybe 1 year overseas, are experts in every field. When they join one of my teams I sit them down and say forget everything. Our field guys, with no education, know more.

Listen, you will be fine. Preach, and you will be gone.

  • Like 1
Posted
4 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

That says an awful lot about our education systems. You shouldn't be able to get an undergraduate degree if you can express your thoughts lucidly. It's part of being learned.

You're right about specialization. It's the result of turning universities into job training. Engineers don't need know writin' and thinkin' courses. It explains a lot about A&M. 

I tend to agree.  But I could say that if you haven't taken calculus, you're not actually educated.

I tend to blame high schools as much as college.  I can't speak for aggy, but UT was conscious of engineers' inability to write and at least paid some lip service to it.  In some of our courses, we got writing grades administered by linguistics grad students.  I don't think they were really the best choice as their grading was over-harsh and didn't seem to give any credit to the "difficulty" of the subject matter, meaning not that it was incomprehensible, but difficult to "write well."

But a BSME degree was already 131 hours nearly 40 years ago, and that with the three Englishes, the humanities elective, history and government, etc.  The biggest issue for us was a lack of practice of writing outside of basically lab reports.  Engineers tended to get pretty good grades in electives, if for no other reason than to help their GPA, so it's not like we're complete left-brain regards (although some are).  And, as 956 notes, also a lack of reading of anything but technical academic texts.



×
×
  • Create New...