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1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

if you follow that logic, then Reagan‘s sweep of 47 states would result in a 94% Republican Congress.     Or - maybe that event was just one election with a candidate weakened by massive inflation, the Iran hostage crisis, and a bunch of other issues that decided the presidency that year. 

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Enough of the voting population in the various states liked Democrats that 47 senators were democrats the year of Reagan’s election.

Saying that because of a single presidential election 98% of the Congress should be GOP as a result of that election is mind numbingly stupid.   that goes for his display of Trump votes in two states to justify a claim that those states are gerrymandered.

It is just more false facts to support why the GOP does not want actual democracy.  Which is why they gerrymand, why they interfere in elections by making it hard for Democrats in Democratic voting areas to find a polling booth, why they want to introduce owners restrictions on voting in general, because they know poor people have more difficulty proving the things they want, thereby diminishing democratic vote - and why they do things like pass bills that say you can’t give water to people standing in line in the hot sun to vote - because the GOP placed a reduced number of voting machines in that Democratic area to limit votes and make the weight in line so onerous that people give up. 

that is his team, and he won’t show up to admit any of that. 

 

Yes, it's fitting apportionment to a predetermined outcome when the outcome doesn't necessarily correlate to the actual preferences of the electorate.

It's less common these days, because of gerrymandering among other things, but there are or have been states with governors and legislatures of different party than the state's voting for President.

Further, should it be how they vote for Pres?  Governor?  Senator?

Apportionment needs to be pretty much purely geographic/demographic.  End of story.

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1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

if you follow that logic, then Reagan‘s sweep of 47 states would result in a 94% Republican Congress.     Or - maybe that event was just one election with a candidate weakened by massive inflation, the Iran hostage crisis, and a bunch of other issues that decided the presidency that year. 

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Look at those Electoral vote numbers. Imagine you had the Franklin Mint Chess Set concession for upstate New York in those days, you'd be printing your own money for 4-8 years, especially if you bought up a bunch of farms right outside Atlanta.

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49 minutes ago, BurdineBandit said:

....I love my sister, and realize there's a growing chance they have fucked around plenty

I mean she’s not in the same league as South Austin’s mom, but with persistence and hard work, who knows?

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18 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

I think we can effectively ignore this guy.  He is team GOP.  Democrats won’t “play nice.” Whatever the fuck that means.    

I think it means he is part of the cult.   I challenged him to be a conservative when he pretends it, listed out a few of their own core principles and how none of them are being upheld by the Republican party, and of course this is ignored, because at the root of it, he knows he cannot challenge my assertion which is a insulting to him and feels like violence, that he is unprincipled and has no political values, only a membership and identity tied to a social club.  

Like the aggys, they frequently get caught cheating and justify their mediocrity simply because if they lose, they must have been cheated.   Admitting the Randolph Duke laid out evidence of their school's mythology instead of actually just being proud of who they are requires a little self introspection which they refuse to undertake, because they are far to insecure to admit, "I was wrong."

California had 26 counties vote for Harris and 33 vote for Trump.   That is 9.3 million people in those 26 counties and 6.1 million in the 33 counties, winning 10 counties more that previously went to Biden.   Which means 36 counties voted for Blue and 13 voted Red in the previous election.   Of the congressional districts, Harris won 41 of 52 congressional districts.  

So let us look at how this breaks down.  In the previous (2020) voting 73% voted blue by county, and 79% voted blue by district.    In the previous election Biden carried the state by 65% of the total votes.   Well maybe this is totally rigged right?  Who draws these districts?   It is handled by an independent commission consisting of 5 Rs, 5 Ds, and 4 Independents, and they whittle it down and then draw names at random.  You can read about it here.  

Read about how Texas does it here.   Here is an excerpt. 

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Federal census population data is delivered to the legislature no later than April 1 of the year following the decennial census, and the data is usually provided several weeks earlier. As soon as the census data is verified and loaded in the computer systems, the members of the legislature and other interested parties begin drawing plans. Bills to enact new state redistricting plans follow the same path through the legislature as other legislation.

If Texas senate or house districts are not enacted during the first regular session following the publication of the decennial census, the Texas Constitution requires that the Legislative Redistricting Board (LRB), a five‐member body of state officials including the lieutenant governor and speaker of the house, meet and adopt its own plan. The LRB has jurisdiction only in the months immediately following that regular session.

So @Ag with kids  we have one system which uses an independent system to draw congressional districts to make sure they have and equal population, which has members of both political parties present an in equal numbers, drawn at random, which more or less is close to the outcome of the counties, and this you cite as being unfair.  However, in Texas we have the republican legislature draw it up, or the members of the republican party executives and house, decide on how the districts will be drawn.   

Let's look a little bit more into it.    We have 254 counties, of which 91% voted republican in 2020.  We have 36 districts of which 61% voted republican.   Yet based on popular vote, we have only 52% vote Republican.  

This article outlines something important.  While they have to have an equal population in each district, they do not in-fact have to have equal number of voters.  So felons, kids, immigrants, can be counted towards a districts population, even if they include people who are not permitted to vote.   So this is kind of like the 3/5ths compromise all over.  We count people when we need to boost the numbers, but they have cannot have a voice or role in their own governance.  Furthermore, Federal law allows for up to 10% discrepancy off the total number of members per district.    

So which system is inherently unfair?  The bipartisan commission based district drawing or single party redrawing?  

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Watching the Today Show and they are interviewing a fired IRS worker who voted for trump.  “Where are our congressional leaders?” he asks when questioning the President’s overreach.

“Why did the people I voted against fail to save me from the evil maniac I voted for???”

It’s always someone else’s job to prevent the consequences of these stupid fuckers’ willing stupidity. How about paying attention and not voting for an asshole, you overgrown toddler? 

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4 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I think it means he is part of the cult.   I challenged him to be a conservative when he pretends it, listed out a few of their own core principles and how none of them are being upheld by the Republican party, and of course this is ignored, because at the root of it, he knows he cannot challenge my assertion which is a insulting to him and feels like violence, that he is unprincipled and has no political values, only a membership and identity tied to a social club.  

Like the aggys, they frequently get caught cheating and justify their mediocrity simply because if they lose, they must have been cheated.   Admitting the Randolph Duke laid out evidence of their school's mythology instead of actually just being proud of who they are requires a little self introspection which they refuse to undertake, because they are far to insecure to admit, "I was wrong."

California had 26 counties vote for Harris and 33 vote for Trump.   That is 9.3 million people in those 26 counties and 6.1 million in the 33 counties, winning 10 counties more that previously went to Biden.   Which means 36 counties voted for Blue and 13 voted Red in the previous election.   Which works out to about   Of the congressional districts, Harris won 41 of 52 congressional districts.  

So let us look at how this breaks down.  In the previous (2020) voting 73% voted blue by county, and 79% voted blue by district.    In the previous election Biden carried the state by 65% of the total votes.   Well maybe this is totally rigged right?  Who draws these districts?   It is handled by an independent commission consisting of 5 Rs, 5 Ds, and 4 Independents, and they whittle it down and then draw names at random.  You can read about it here.  

Read about how Texas does it here.   Here is an excerpt. 

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Federal census population data is delivered to the legislature no later than April 1 of the year following the decennial census, and the data is usually provided several weeks earlier. As soon as the census data is verified and loaded in the computer systems, the members of the legislature and other interested parties begin drawing plans. Bills to enact new state redistricting plans follow the same path through the legislature as other legislation.

If Texas senate or house districts are not enacted during the first regular session following the publication of the decennial census, the Texas Constitution requires that the Legislative Redistricting Board (LRB), a five‐member body of state officials including the lieutenant governor and speaker of the house, meet and adopt its own plan. The LRB has jurisdiction only in the months immediately following that regular session.

So @Ag with kids  we have one system which uses an independent system to draw congressional districts to make sure they have and equal population, which has members of both political parties present an in equal numbers, drawn at random, which more or less is close to the outcome of the counties, and this you cite as being unfair.  However, in Texas we have the republican legislature draw it up, or the members of the republican party executives and house, decide on how the districts will be drawn.   

Let's look a little bit more into it.    We have 254 counties, of which 91% voted republican in 2020.  We have 36 districts of which 61% voted republican.   Yet based on popular vote, we have only 52% vote Republican.  

This article outlines something important.  While they have to have an equal population in each district, they do not in-fact have to have equal number of voters.  So felons, kids, immigrants, can be counted towards a districts population, even if they include people who are not permitted to vote.   So this is kind of like the 3/5ths compromise all over.  We count people when we need to boost the numbers, but they have cannot have a voice or role in their own governance.  Furthermore, Federal law allows for up to 10% discrepancy off the total number of members per district.    

So which system is inherently unfair?  The bipartisan commission based district drawing or single party redrawing?  

 

 

There's got to be about 40 counties around the state that get a population boost of at least 1,000 each because of the way we count prisoners as part of the apportionment process. See, prisoners are counted as residents of where they are held, not where they are from. Of course, the vast majority of these prisoners are from the big cities (not because they're inherently more dangerous, but because that's where the vast majority of people live).

There's a shitload of these smaller, rural counties where the prisoner population accounts for 10, 15, 20% of the population, and they get that extra population boost in their district of people that don't vote, therefore having zero influence on their politics, that gives the rural areas an outsized voice through over-representation and that doesn't even take into account the gerrymander.

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22 hours ago, TexArcher said:

Of all the shocked-face-finding-out right now, Gaza, really?

I mean, if you thought Trump was gonna lower your grocery bill, you're just an idiot who doesn't understand economics.  And you were lied to, because they definitely promised you that.

But what in the world made anyone think Trump gave half a shit about Gaza?  He didn't even have to lie to you about that.  You just assumed that anyone would be better than Biden, because you're an idealistic child.

Did you not notice all the times that Trump has expressed admiration for strongmen, like Putin, Kim, and oh by the way, Netanyahu?  Biden was the only thing keeping Netanyahu halfway in check, dipshits.

Voting age in this country needs to be at least 35 after this, if we ever get to vote again.

The ones in Detroit don't even regret their votes.  Watch this clip and this is the vibe you get.

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This is fine' creator reflects on 10 years of the comic meme ...

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Fuck all of these people and their sad tears. Look on the bright side, redneck. You should just be happy that one trans guy in Magnolia, Arkansas can't take a shit in Hobby Lobby. And that effeminate emo kid in Canton, Mississippi isn't allowed to have frozen veggie burrito diarrhea at the Kwik Mart. Finally, we're a safe country again. 

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I understand his point of view, but put another way that delta measures the extent to which the parties do not have to be responsive to local issues, which @Ag with kids puts in quotes, but has never responded to, going back literally two full decades. 
My position is really simple: gerrymandering on the basis of party is incompatible with representative democracy and corrosive to the Republic. 
 

And that is BECAUSE local issues often transcend party when districts are designed around communities of interest. 
 

 

But when he does that he’s begging the question (ie, that it should), because, again, local issues and candidates often transcend party when districts are designed around communities of interest. 
 

The only hypothesis I’ve been able to come with for why he thinks that (because he won’t explain why it “should” be that way) is that he genuinely believes that parties represent some kind of school of thought or ideology, which is of course suckerbait. 
 

+ rep for correct usage of begging the question 

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56 minutes ago, bolverk said:

There's got to be about 40 counties around the state that get a population boost of at least 1,000 each because of the way we count prisoners as part of the apportionment process. See, prisoners are counted as residents of where they are held, not where they are from. Of course, the vast majority of these prisoners are from the big cities (not because they're inherently more dangerous, but because that's where the vast majority of people live).

There's a shitload of these smaller, rural counties where the prisoner population accounts for 10, 15, 20% of the population, and they get that extra population boost in their district of people that don't vote, therefore having zero influence on their politics, that gives the rural areas an outsized voice through over-representation and that doesn't even take into account the gerrymander.

Maybe we can compromise? 3/5 sounds about right 

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49 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

The next R that comes in here and can defend with actual coherent arguments the MAGA movement and dOTardism will be the first. 

They whine about getting neg bombed, but I have yet to see an actual reasonable argument that defends anything going on in the R party today.

Until that day comes, and I ain't holding my breath, fuck em. They got nothing. 

 

 

Its also interesting that pretty much all the so-called conservatives pretty much disappeared from this board after the first DOAtard election.*

 

*Edit: disappeared or no longer consider themselves republicans.  

 

Its also why the DT Ukraine thread is now dead. Many people who posted on it for years are now gone. Either too ashamed to show back up knowing they helped to hasten the end of Ukraine, or so brainwashed that they now find themselves agreeing that Ukraine was the aggressor.

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55 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

The next R that comes in here and can defend with actual coherent arguments the MAGA movement and dOTardism will be the first. 

They whine about getting neg bombed, but I have yet to see an actual reasonable argument that defends anything going on in the R party today.

Until that day comes, and I ain't holding my breath, fuck em. They got nothing. 

 

 

Its also interesting that pretty much all the so-called conservatives pretty much disappeared from this board after the first DOAtard election.*

 

*Edit: disappeared or no longer consider themselves republicans.  

 

For the millionth time.  You all crowd sourced anyone inclined to argue pro-maga points.  Now you scratch your head and mockingly declare triumph in the “debate”.  
 

it’s laughable.

 

For me personally, again for the millionth time, there is no defense of Trump.  He is a loudmouth asshole.  I’m in favor of a massive reduction of the federal government.  The process we are undertaking with DOGE is chaos.  Maybe its the only way a massive reduction can happen is chaos. 

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Just now, Incredulity said:

For the millionth time.  You all crowd sourced anyone inclined to argue pro-maga points.  Now you scratch your head and mockingly declare triumph in the “debate”.  
 

it’s laughable.

 

For me personally, again for the millionth time, there is no defense of Trump.  He is a loudmouth asshole.  I’m in favor of a massive reduction of the federal government.  The process we are undertaking with DOGE is chaos.  Maybe its the only way a massive reduction can happen is chaos. 

dude, there is no defense to what's going on here and the reason that people get negged is because they actually end up resorting to basically spreading provable and demonstrable misinformation. You at least default to shitty memes that are annoying and actually have a fucking brain. Most of these idiots you disagree with and you know it. 

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14 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Its also why the DT Ukraine thread is now dead. Many people who posted on it for years are now gone. Either too ashamed to show back up knowing they helped to hasten the end of Ukraine, or so brainwashed that they now find themselves agreeing that Ukraine was the aggressor.

Ukraine was asking for it. Strutting around over there dressed like that, shaking that money money maker, just begging to be entered. 

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3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

For me personally, again for the millionth time, there is no defense of Trump.  He is a loudmouth asshole.  I’m in favor of a massive reduction of the federal government.  The process we are undertaking with DOGE is chaos.  Maybe its the only way a massive reduction can happen is chaos. 

 

I guess credit to you that you're honest about that "chaos," as a possible means to an end. I would assume that goal is primary, and hurting any and all people in its wake is just the cost of doing business?

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4 minutes ago, South Austin said:

When things keep getting shitty, I see MAGAs taking this and running with it.

Yeah, cognitive dissonance is a bitch.  They won't be able to even entertain the possibility that their orange overlord is actually a complete dumbass who fucked up the entire country.  It'll be everyone else's fault, and even if Trump hired them and told them directly what to do, he will escape criticism from the MAGA idiots.  He has cult leader immunity.

Watching their mental gymnastics to avoid pinning any blame on him, and therefore on themselves, is gonna be one of the silver linings.

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6 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Trump and DOGE aren’t the same thing 

He’s the President. The whole - “Buck stops here.”

If he didn’t want DOGE or wanted it to operate differently, he could change it.

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15 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

Ukraine was asking for it. Strutting around over there dressed like that, shaking that money money maker, just begging to be entered. 

 

if by "money maker" you mean vast, untapped mineral wealth and enough arable farmland to feed half the world, you are correct. 

 

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4 hours ago, Sbbruin said:

Watching the Today Show and they are interviewing a fired IRS worker who voted for trump.  “Where are our congressional leaders?” he asks when questioning the President’s overreach.  Um, they’re busy sucking his dick and cowering in the corner.

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10 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Hahaha

Donald Trump, never responsible for things he's actually directly accountable for

Kamala Harris, responsible for grocery prices under Joe Biden

Murc's law is a harsh mistress.



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