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You guys are a few years ahead, this is the Night of the Long Knives, well the moronic version, Hitler got in power by getting the uneducated working class to join the brownshirts, they would fight street battles with communists and then Hitler would go to Hindemburg and tell him "I can fix the street level violence!".

Once selected Chancellor he had a debt to pay to traditional conservatives in industry and the military. so he was convinced by Himler to execute Ernst Rohm (closest character is Steve Bannon) and the rest of the Strasserites in the nazi party. The Sturmabteilung rank and file was merged into the SS under Himler. It was the Nazi party civil war that ended in a fortnight. But these clowns are letting it fester for our entertainement.

 

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26 minutes ago, linux said:

You guys are a few years ahead, this is the Night of the Long Knives, well the moronic version, Hitler got in power by getting the uneducated working class to join the brownshirts, they would fight street battles with communists and then Hitler would go to Hindemburg and tell him "I can fix the street level violence!".

Once selected Chancellor he had a debt to pay to traditional conservatives in industry and the military. so he was convinced by Himler to execute Ernst Rohm (closest character is Steve Bannon) and the rest of the Strasserites in the nazi party. The Sturmabteilung rank and file was merged into the SS under Himler. It was the Nazi party civil war that ended in a fortnight. But these clowns are letting it fester for our entertainement.

 

Rohm and the other gay brown shirts were eliminated.  But I assume it was them who arranged for Hugo boss to design the kick ass uniforms for the Wehrmacht and the SS.

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2 hours ago, linux said:

You guys are a few years ahead, this is the Night of the Long Knives, well the moronic version

I kinda like to think that the Nazi version stood up pretty well itself on the moron chart.

Wanna make it about racial this-n-that? Your boy Hitler was rockin a North African Y haplogroup. Nothin wrong with that, kinda not-quite Northern European if that's your obsession. Go sit on a cushion and eat some lamb and calm the fuck down, Dolf.

Then Aryans, yeah, they existed. More heavily in Ukraine, Poland, Northern France, even Ireland than in Krautland. That's right, Horst-- Paddy McVomit has more male ancestors who rode in from the east wrecking shop than you do, you Aspergery Bog-Man Booger-Eater.

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2 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

I kinda like to think that the Nazi version stood up pretty well itself on the moron chart.

Wanna make it about racial this-n-that? Your boy Hitler was rockin a North African Y haplogroup. Nothin wrong with that, kinda not-quite Northern European if that's your obsession. Go sit on a cushion and eat some lamb and calm the fuck down, Dolf.

Then Aryans, yeah, they existed. More heavily in Ukraine, Poland, Northern France, even Ireland than in Krautland. That's right, Horst-- Paddy McVomit has more male ancestors who rode in from the east wrecking shop than you do, you Aspergery Bog-Man Booger-Eater.

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We need to really meta this thread in the hope that all the right people get the unlubed dildo of consequences.  

 

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/30/us/politics/china-hack-treasury.html
 

A state-sponsored actor in China hacked the U.S. Treasury Department, gaining access to the workstations of government employees and unclassified documents, the Biden administration said on Monday.

The announcement comes after revelations in recent months that China had penetrated deep into U.S. telecommunications systems, gaining access to the phone conversations and text messages of U.S. officials and others.

In a letter informing lawmakers of the episode, the Treasury Department said that it had been notified on Dec. 8 by a third-party software service company, BeyondTrust, that the hacker had obtained a security key that allowed it to remotely gain access to certain Treasury workstations and documents on them.

“Based on available indicators, the incident has been attributed to a China state-sponsored Advanced Persistent Threat (APT) actor,” the letter said. “In accordance with Treasury policy, intrusions attributable to an APT are considered a major cybersecurity incident.”

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1 hour ago, Superhero said:

So catching up on this thread... I actually agree with Elon and Vivek in the sense that we should be offering work visas to the best and brightest. Then again I'm biased because I came to the US on a F-1 (student visa), was recruited and got a H-1B > green card > citizen, yada yada. Was I the best and brightest best in my class? Probably not, but definitely in the top 10%. Looking back, I got lucky because in the mid 90s, everyone was going for an EE, CS or MIS degree and there was a death of civil engineers. 

From several economic podcasts, there are a lot of fucking brilliant foreign students doing PhD level research in the US that are looking to move to Europe because they don't think they'll get a H-1B visa. Retain the best to keep the US at the forefront of scientific research. Let the MAGA prom queens serve you wings at Hooters.

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3 hours ago, Superhero said:

So catching up on this thread... I actually agree with Elon and Vivek in the sense that we should be offering work visas to the best and brightest. Then again I'm biased because I came to the US on a F-1 (student visa), was recruited and got a H-1B > green card > citizen, yada yada. Was I the best and brightest best in my class? Probably not, but definitely in the top 10%. Looking back, I got lucky because in the mid 90s, everyone was going for an EE, CS or MIS degree and there was a death of civil engineers. 

From several economic podcasts, there are a lot of fucking brilliant foreign students doing PhD level research in the US that are looking to move to Europe because they don't think they'll get a H-1B visa. Retain the best to keep the US at the forefront of scientific research. Let the MAGA prom queens serve you wings at Hooters.

 

 

Man. MIS degrees were THE thing in my era. 1999-2004 or so. I never understood it. 

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6 hours ago, Superhero said:

So catching up on this thread... I actually agree with Elon and Vivek in the sense that we should be offering work visas to the best and brightest. Then again I'm biased because I came to the US on a F-1 (student visa), was recruited and got a H-1B > green card > citizen, yada yada. Was I the best and brightest best in my class? Probably not, but definitely in the top 10%. Looking back, I got lucky because in the mid 90s, everyone was going for an EE, CS or MIS degree and there was a death of civil engineers. 

From several economic podcasts, there are a lot of fucking brilliant foreign students doing PhD level research in the US that are looking to move to Europe because they don't think they'll get a H-1B visa. Retain the best to keep the US at the forefront of scientific research. Let the MAGA prom queens serve you wings at Hooters.

 

 

i mean, no shit. we shouldn't be educating people and then telling them to leave.

 

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29 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

So MIE?

D'oh!  So much for the best and brightest...  meant to say "Microsoft Is Simple".

 

1 hour ago, Hermanator said:

The problem is allowing billionaires to exploit the system to create a class of indentured servants, to work double time for a fraction of the going rate, while holding their visa status over their heads if they refuse. 

Find a way to legislate that out of the equation and I agree. They should not be allowed to pay them less, nor force them to work more, just because they're H1B. The pay should be the same going rate for American citizens as well as H1B for those roles. 

Also, should be reserved only for areas that are deficient in American born talent. Use it like the transfer portal should be used. To supplement your team but not to replace it. 

There's the misperception that people getting H-1Bs are paid less than American workers, and that's simply not true. The company has to advertise the position for 60 (?) days to see if there are qualified people to fill the position, AND, the company has to pay a prevailing wage for the position. I know that because I was paid the same shitty amount as my American-born coworkers. All this talk about lower pay, indentured servitude is bullshit. Whoever who parrots this needs to get their facts straight.

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1 hour ago, Superhero said:

D'oh!  So much for the best and brightest...  meant to say "Microsoft Is Simple".

 

There's the misperception that people getting H-1Bs are paid less than American workers, and that's simply not true. The company has to advertise the position for 60 (?) days to see if there are qualified people to fill the position, AND, the company has to pay a prevailing wage for the position. I know that because I was paid the same shitty amount as my American-born coworkers. All this talk about lower pay, indentured servitude is bullshit. Whoever who parrots this needs to get their facts straight.

Correct about pay, wrong about how it is advertised. If I want a certain person, say a French Speaking canadian, not just anyone, but a certain person, I can write the advertisement, have it run in a fucked up market, and I fulfilled the role. There are agencies overseas that work the system. They are basically headhunters and a lot who come over pay to be represented.

It is a separate discussion, but how many of these jobs are really needed? But its cool, lets keep the coders who can make a tesla work, but Jaime the plumber with 20 years experience? Nah, deport his ass.

 

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4 hours ago, Superhero said:

I know that because I was paid the same shitty amount as my American-born coworkers. All this talk about lower pay, indentured servitude is bullshit.

Perhaps "shitty pay" is a big part of the problem of companies having to look elsewhere for new hires. And as far as indentured servitude, it's Elon yammering about working EXTREME HARDCORE while planning company towns. 

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6 hours ago, Superhero said:

There's the misperception that people getting H-1Bs are paid less than American workers, and that's simply not true. The company has to advertise the position for 60 (?) days to see if there are qualified people to fill the position, AND, the company has to pay a prevailing wage for the position. I know that because I was paid the same shitty amount as my American-born coworkers. All this talk about lower pay, indentured servitude is bullshit. Whoever who parrots this needs to get their facts straight.

H1-B's do serve to suppress wages by distorting the employment market, though. Were it not for H1-B's, most of my customers wouldn't have an engineering staff because they've chased that cost reduction technique for literal decades.

I'm not saying H1-B's are bad, but they are absolutely used and abused by the management class to attack and destroy whatever bargaining power tech workers had left.

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The problem is allowing billionaires to exploit the system to create a class of indentured servants, to work double time for a fraction of the going rate, while holding their visa status over their heads if they refuse. 
Find a way to legislate that out of the equation and I agree. They should not be allowed to pay them less, nor force them to work more, just because they're H1B. The pay should be the same going rate for American citizens as well as H1B for those roles. 
Also, should be reserved only for areas that are deficient in American born talent. Use it like the transfer portal should be used. To supplement your team but not to replace it. 

I thought they had to be paid market wages. I know my 4 visa holders are paid on the same pay scale as anyone else in those roles and receive the same consideration for pay increases as anyone else.
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33 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:


I thought they had to be paid market wages. I know my 4 visa holders are paid on the same pay scale as anyone else in those roles and receive the same consideration for pay increases as anyone else.

I think in theory, yes.  But, practically, they are for jobs that allegedly can't be filled from domestic talent, so there's not, allegedly, a real market comparison.

Plus, the legal work for an H1B is not cheap and you know corporations ain't absorbing that themselves.  But it all gets back to how abusive is that corporation.

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8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think in theory, yes.  But, practically, they are for jobs that allegedly can't be filled from domestic talent, so there's not, allegedly, a real market comparison.

Plus, the legal work for an H1B is not cheap and you know corporations ain't absorbing that themselves.  But it all gets back to how abusive is that corporation.

I've barely been at my current company for a year so I inherited all of my staff.  They are all in roles that could be filled domestically.  I've filled these exact roles at other companies for 25 years without having to resort to visas.

We do pay for their citizenship legal fees after 3 years of employment and they have to agree to stay 3 years past that. It takes 4 years for the green card process.  So, we have staff for a guaranteed 10 years with no risk of them leaving.  That could be the reason why we favor H1B visas over domestic candidates.  On the other hand, I've gone to one of our college recruiting events and 90% of the attendees are foreign students so maybe that's just what the hiring pool for my company looks like.

 

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4 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

We do pay for their citizenship legal fees after 3 years of employment and they have to agree to stay 3 years past that. It takes 4 years for the green card process.  So, we have staff for a guaranteed 10 years with no risk of them leaving.  That could be the reason why we favor H1B visas over domestic candidates. 

Ding ding ding ding ding! H1B's and contractor staff are regularly treated like a number on a spreadsheet and don't care if they have to wake up at 3 AM on a Friday for a poorly planned deployment - they'll go with whatever management says and keep their heads down.

Plus, college grads expect all sort of bullshit like mentoring and training. That costs money! The contractors are just happy to have their green card and will eat a mountain of shit to retain it. 

It's horribly exploitative in my experience with Fortune 50 to 500 businesses

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8 hours ago, Superhero said:

D'oh!  So much for the best and brightest...  meant to say "Microsoft Is Simple".

 

There's the misperception that people getting H-1Bs are paid less than American workers, and that's simply not true. The company has to advertise the position for 60 (?) days to see if there are qualified people to fill the position, AND, the company has to pay a prevailing wage for the position. I know that because I was paid the same shitty amount as my American-born coworkers. All this talk about lower pay, indentured servitude is bullshit. Whoever who parrots this needs to get their facts straight.

The advertising requirement is a joke. It’s crazy easy to game that one to ensure you get exactly zero applicants.

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1 minute ago, royiv said:

The advertising requirement is a joke. It’s crazy easy to game that one to ensure you get exactly zero applicants.

You could likely just set up your HR bot to auto-reject. No human even has to set eyes on the applicant.

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