The single most important thing that has to change

[RabidM 2668]

Funding to combat\counter disinformation.  It is clear we have lost the information war.  We brought a knife to a gun fight and lost.  When you look at what Tim Poole, Candaice Owens etc put out, the videos are polished and professional looking.  They sound plausible. These creators have a team of editors, researchers, cameramen and writers.  They can produce multiple videos a day that look great and sound plausible.  They get large pay and support staff.  Our content creators have to rely on monetization and have to do all the work themselves.  They'll never be able to keep up. 

PraegerU is brilliant.  It's evil, but brilliant.  People have short attention spans these days. They create short videos with great graphics that are easy to understand and follow.  They promote bullshit, but that's not the point.  The format and concept are brilliant. 

We have lost multiple generations of people, young men in particular, to extremely well funded propaganda.  It may be really hard to win them back.  The Russian money and conservative money are literally killing our country.  Russian propaganda has been frighteningly effective.  Conservative people cheer at the mention of Putin or Orban.  They've been convinced we're not even a democracy.  They have been successfully turned against some of the most important tenets of western democracy.   Their misinformation has made it to the halls of Congress.  Russia got a president elected twice.  My god, that's the most effective propaganda campaign in the history of the world. 

We need to fund our own counter campaign. We are getting slaughtered in the information wars.  If we can't respond to this fast, I fear we will never recover.

[South Austin 52515]

Multiple overlapping threads on Cloak Room.

[SimonBolivar 10958]

3 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Multiple overlapping threads on Cloak Room.

Johnny Sack said we're the TexAgs of Surly so by God we're gonna be the TexAgs of Surly.

[CooterBrown 18014]

It's a little too late for that.  Who the fuck is going to rein in misinformation? The party that is built on misinformation?  Bless your heart.

 

This sums it up:

Edited November 8 by CooterBrown

[aggie08 21504]

We can build up our own disinformation infrastructure, but we're going to need a lot of help from PornHub!

 

[Frank Drebin 5642]

1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

We can build up our own disinformation infrastructure, but we're going to need a lot of help from PornHub!

 

Y’all already have it.  CBS.  NBC.  ABC.  Hollywood.  MSNBC.  CNN.  All the Big Tech platforms outside of X.  Reddit.  Almost all the major newspapers.  

Edited November 8 by Frank Drebin

[Mo Horn 8848]

https://www.usermag.co/p/why-democrats-wont-build-their-own

[aggie08 21504]

Just now, Frank Drebin said:

Y’all already have it.  CBS.  NBC.  ABC.  Hollywood.  MSNBC.  CNN.  All the Big Tech platforms outside of X.  Reddit.  Almost all the major newspapers.  

Remind me which is those willingly paid out three-quarters of a billion dollars to settle a case about knowingly lying because they knew the final verdict would have been even worse. 

You may not like them because they're mean to you, but they're at least loosely bound by what they can and cannot say. Nothing from the right's information sphere shares those concerns.

[Frank Drebin 5642]

Just now, aggie08 said:

Remind me which is those willingly paid out three-quarters of a billion dollars to settle a case about knowingly lying because they knew the final verdict would have been even worse. 

You may not like them because they're mean to you, but they're at least loosely bound by what they can and cannot say. Nothing from the right's information sphere shares those concerns.

Like Biden is as sharp as ever!

[aggie08 21504]

Just now, Frank Drebin said:

Like Biden is as sharp as ever!

Feel free to take them to court. Nothing has been stopping anyone from trying to make a shit ton of money off of all the "MSM lies" if they so desire. I wonder why they haven't tried...

[TwiceHorn 31488]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

Like Biden is as sharp as ever!

They reported what people said.  Take it up with the people who said it.

And, complained quietly about not having access to Biden.

[RabidM 2668]

9 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Y’all already have it.  CBS.  NBC.  ABC.  Hollywood.  MSNBC.  CNN.  All the Big Tech platforms outside of X.  Reddit.  Almost all the major newspapers.  

That's not where the war is being waged.  Most media is now conservative owned anyway.  Billionaires have been buying them up. 

[TwiceHorn 31488]

Just now, aggie08 said:

Feel free to take them to court. Nothing has been stopping anyone from trying to make a shit ton of money off of all the "MSM lies" if they so desire. I wonder why they haven't tried...

Trump has sued MSM a dozen times since his election and lost every time.  Under the same rules applied to Fox.

[wildcat09 29354]

8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

They reported what people said.  Take it up with the people who said it.

And, complained quietly about not having access to Biden.

They weren't even quiet with their complaints and it was a media-led campaign that forced Biden out of the race. 

[Ojo Rojo 1965]

14 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Y’all already have it.  CBS.  NBC.  ABC.  Hollywood.  MSNBC.  CNN.  All the Big Tech platforms outside of X.  Reddit.  Almost all the major newspapers.  

The difference is that those media outlets report fact-based news tinged with bias. On the other hand, conservative outlets, like Fox, report things that actually didn't happen.  There is no tinge of bias; a huge percentage of it is just outright lies.  It's not a matter of both groups believing bullshit.  It's a matter of one group is mostly tethered to the truth and the other isn't restrained from any farfetched lie.

[Frank Drebin 5642]

CNN also settled.  WaPo also settled.

The mass media sucks.  They had half the country believing Kyle Rittenhouse killed 3 black protesters, the Covid mortality rate was 30%, and that cops kill "thousands of unarmed black people a year.  The most recent is those disingenuous cunts parroting that Trump was calling for the execution of Liz Cheney.  There is plenty of disinformation from the mass media and that's why Elon being red pilled and buying Twitter was massive.

 

[aggie08 21504]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

There is plenty of disinformation from the mass media and that's why Elon being red pilled and buying Twitter was massive.

...so he could spread orders of magnitude more of it in your favor. Yeah man, we get it.

[washparkhorn 9939]

End this 53 year old doom spiral:

[aggie08 21504]

1 minute ago, washparkhorn said:

End this 53 year old doom spiral:

I was thinking about something just like this yesterday. I guess every Democracy has to go through their own Brexit (sometimes multiple times), and let the far-right/populist take their shot.

[Frank Drebin 5642]

5 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

...so he could spread orders of magnitude more of it in your favor. Yeah man, we get it.

It's a counterbalance.  Those that benefitted from holding a monopoly for all these years really hate it when the monopoly gets busted up and the playing ground gets levelled.  Similar to bag dropping schools bitching about NIL.

[Gatorubet 30243]

34 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Y’all already have it.  CBS.  NBC.  ABC.  Hollywood.  MSNBC.  CNN.  All the Big Tech platforms outside of X.  Reddit.  Almost all the major newspapers.  

That’s only because you read these platforms with the brain of a moron.  everybody else sees that they Sane-washed the worst presidential candidate in the history of the country to such an unprecedented extent that the scales had a journalistic thumb pressed firmly on it.

[RabidM 2668]

42 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

It's a little too late for that.  Who the fuck is going to rein in misinformation? The party that is built on misinformation?  Bless your heart.

 

This sums it up:

You don't have to bring everyone back to reality.  You just need to win enough back to win elections, assuming we still have real elections in the future.  A lot of people who voted for Trump didn't like him. His favorability was lower than Harris's.  People are struggling to survive and they voted because they remember things being cheaper when Trump was in office.  That's true, but clearly outside of Biden's control.  Trump left office before all Trump's inflationary actions hit home.  Now he gets the economy, mostly fixed again.  FFS

Edited November 8 by RabidM

[aggie08 21504]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

It's a counterbalance.  Those that benefitted from holding a monopoly for all these years really hate it when the monopoly gets busted up and the playing ground gets levelled.  Similar to bag dropping schools bitching about NIL.

We just had the right wing ecosystem create a story out of thin air about legal immigrants stealing people's pets and eating them that made it's way to the Presidential debate. And you want to talk to me about balance and leveling. That's adorable.

[The Original Greaser Bob 2838]

Thing that has to change is non-gerrymandered districts.  If that were the case I could accept my shitty representatives. What I can't accept is people on the other side of DFW being responsible for my shitty representatives.  

[bad_teammate 13205]

48 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Multiple overlapping threads on Cloak Room.

The good old days.

[Pancho 44826]

Someone brought up something on twitter the other day that I thought was interesting:

The reason the radical right has all of their online echo chambers on lock is because they are being funded by the tech bros. The tech bros like the radical right because, well, tax breaks and more money for them. 

Dems don’t have anyone like that who is willing to fund/prop them up on the platforms. They have to rely mostly on crowdsourcing. That isn’t going to make a dent in the radical right wing echo chamber.

 

 

[Rex Kramer 1338]

53 minutes ago, RabidM said:

Funding to combat\counter disinformation.  It is clear we have lost the information war.  We brought a knife to a gun fight and lost.  When you look at what Tim Poole, Candaice Owens etc put out, the videos are polished and professional looking.  They sound plausible. These creators have a team of editors, researchers, cameramen and writers.  They can produce multiple videos a day that look great and sound plausible.  They get large pay and support staff.  Our content creators have to rely on monetization and have to do all the work themselves.  They'll never be able to keep up. 

PraegerU is brilliant.  It's evil, but brilliant.  People have short attention spans these days. They create short videos with great graphics that are easy to understand and follow.  They promote bullshit, but that's not the point.  The format and concept are brilliant. 

We have lost multiple generations of people, young men in particular, to extremely well funded propaganda.  It may be really hard to win them back.  The Russian money and conservative money are literally killing our country.  Russian propaganda has been frighteningly effective.  Conservative people cheer at the mention of Putin or Orban.  They've been convinced we're not even a democracy.  They have been successfully turned against some of the most important tenets of western democracy.   Their misinformation has made it to the halls of Congress.  Russia got a president elected twice.  My god, that's the most effective propaganda campaign in the history of the world. 

We need to fund our own counter campaign. We are getting slaughtered in the information wars.  If we can't respond to this fast, I fear we will never recover.

You’ve missed the story. Culpability should be attributed to Dem arrogance and persistent displays of moral superiority. And I believe Dems were morally superior and for the first time ever, in the two biggest elections voted that way. 

But talk of misinformation being the primary culprit totally misses the point. Doubling down on arrogance won’t get anyone far. 

[aggie08 21504]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

Dems don’t have anyone like that who is willing to fund/prop them up on the platforms. They have to rely mostly on crowdsourcing. That isn’t going to make a dent in the radical right wing echo chamber.

Also, let's be honest, what would a wildly popular left wing podcast even look like? 

[Pancho 44826]

1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

Also, let's be honest, what would a wildly popular left wing podcast even look like? 

 

Wanna start one?

 

[RabidM 2668]

2 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

You’ve missed the story. Culpability should be attributed to Dem arrogance and persistent displays of moral superiority. And I believe Dems were morally superior and for the first time ever, in the two biggest elections voted that way. 

But talk of misinformation being the primary culprit totally misses the point. Doubling down on arrogance won’t get anyone far. 

Russia dropping 10s of millions of dollars for the content of their choice had nothing to do with it, I'm sure.  Tim Poole went from making like $500 a week to $300k a month with Russian money.  FFS, we are under literal Russian attack.

[David Dennison 18874]

55 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Y’all already have it.  CBS.  NBC.  ABC.  Hollywood.  MSNBC.  CNN.  All the Big Tech platforms outside of X.  Reddit.  Almost all the major newspapers.  

1992 called and wants its talking point back.

 

[Ragde 244]

The dems need to take an election or 2 off from saving the world. The people currently struggling don’t really care about Taiwan, Ukraine, or birthing people. They care about Christmas, which for a lot of people sucked the last couple of years. They care about taking their kids to an amusement park or signing them up for youth sports at a couple of hundred a pop each season. Leopards are already eating faces and have been for a couple of years. The people that somehow can’t ever see that also didn’t see Kamala losing.

Edited November 8 by Ragde
Fat finger

[David Dennison 18874]

30 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

End this 53 year old doom spiral:

Another world war would do it.

Not sure Europe is ready for that.

[Frank Drebin 5642]

Another couple examples: what percentage Americans know Kamala Harris failed the bar exam the first time she attempted it?  If they were GOP candidates, that shit would be a weekly skit on SNL and repeated ad nauseum.

As someone who attended a good law school and passed the bar with ease, this cannot be overstated. To pass the bar, you just have to put in the work and have half a brain. She either wasn’t willing to work hard or doesn’t have half a brain, or in her case more likely both. 82% of her class at her mediocre law school passed when she failed. So she was in the bottom 18% of a mediocre school. Not really what you’re looking for in a candidate for president.

Hillary Clinton also failed the bar first time.  No one knows that either.  The media in this country is corrupt and has been cheerleading the left for a couple generations now, putting their thumb on the scale of our elections.  I do love the bitching about X and Musk now that the Big Tech monopoly is gone.

[Pancho 44826]

There is dem arrogance, sure. That isn’t the major issue.

I’ll research it after my flight, but there was someone did a focus group on dem policies and they worded it in a way to make it seem like they were policies coming from the radical republican party. Those in the group loved the policies and were really excited about them. The whole time, thy were policies the Dems were proposing or were already doing. 

 

This is 100% a misinformation/disinformation election. 

 

 

 

 

[David Dennison 18874]

34 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

CNN also settled.  WaPo also settled.

The mass media sucks.  They had half the country believing Kyle Rittenhouse killed 3 black protesters, the Covid mortality rate was 30%, and that cops kill "thousands of unarmed black people a year.  The most recent is those disingenuous cunts parroting that Trump was calling for the execution of Liz Cheney.  There is plenty of disinformation from the mass media and that's why Elon being red pilled and buying Twitter was massive.

And you'll blame it when you lose.

As per usual.

[JBJ 3654]

50 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Trump has sued MSM a dozen times since his election and lost every time.  Under the same rules applied to Fox.

He didn't lose to ABC or MSNBC, but they will probably settle.

Edited November 8 by JBJ

[RabidM 2668]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

There is dem arrogance, sure. That isn’t the major issue.

I’ll research it after my flight, but there was someone a few years back who did a focus group on dem policies and they worded it in a way to make it seem like they were policies coming from the radical republican party. Those in the group loved the policies and were really excited about them. The whole time, thy were policies the Dems were proposing or were already doing. 

 

This is 100% a misinformation/disinformation election. 

 

 

 

 

There was a study done this year, I forgot the name. They presented Harris and Trump's policies without telling the people in the study whose policy it was.  Conservatives liked Harris policies much more than Trump's when presented anonymously. 

[David Dennison 18874]

2 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Another couple examples: what percentage Americans know Kamala Harris failed the bar exam the first time she attempted it?  If they were GOP candidates, that shit would be a weekly skit on SNL and repeated ad nauseum.

As someone who attended a good law school and passed the bar with ease, this cannot be overstated. To pass the bar, you just have to put in the work and have half a brain. She either wasn’t willing to work hard or doesn’t have half a brain, or in her case more likely both. 82% of her class at her mediocre law school passed when she failed. So she was in the bottom 18% of a mediocre school. Not really what you’re looking for in a candidate for president.

Hillary Clinton also failed the bar first time.  No one knows that either.  The media in this country is corrupt and has been cheerleading the left for a couple generations now, putting their thumb on the scale of our elections.  I do love the bitching about X and Musk now that the Big Tech monopoly is gone.

No one gives a shit who passes and fails the bar exam. It's a tired ritual that serves no practical purpose. You should know this. You have to deal with lawyers who passed the bar.

[Pancho 44826]

1 minute ago, RabidM said:

There was a study done this year, I forgot the name. They presented Harris and Trump's policies without telling the people in the study whose policy it was.  Conservatives liked Harris policies much more than Trump's when presented anonymously. 

 

Yup.

 

As someone said earlier—them electing trump has nothing to do with inflation or the economy rather it was about how people perceived those things. They perceived those things because of radical racist right wing media. 

[aggie08 21504]

3 minutes ago, RabidM said:

There was a study done this year, I forgot the name. They presented Harris and Trump's policies without telling the people in the study whose policy it was.  Conservatives liked Harris policies much more than Trump's when presented anonymously. 

Yep. Anyone telling you this was an election about policy is full of absolute shit. Hard to foresee any future election being about policy.

Edited November 8 by aggie08

[JBJ 3654]

6 minutes ago, JBJ said:

He didn't lose to ABC or MSNBC, but they will probably settle.

After looking his WAPO/NYT lawsuit is still active also.   Which case even was dismissed?

[David Dennison 18874]

4 minutes ago, RabidM said:

There was a study done this year, I forgot the name. They presented Harris and Trump's policies without telling the people in the study whose policy it was.  Conservatives liked Harris policies much more than Trump's when presented anonymously. 

This isn't new. Democratic policies are generally more popular than Republican policies. It's been that way since the New Deal.

[RabidM 2668]

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Yep. Anyone telling you this was an election about policy is full of absolute shit. Hard to foresee any future election being about policy.

Hence, why we have to get our content creators funded and find new charismatic voices to join the fight.  We're in the deepest of shit otherwise. 

[bad_teammate 13205]

18 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Also, let's be honest, what would a wildly popular left wing podcast even look like? 

"I may not be Dale Earnhardt, but I smashed into the fucking wall because I couldn't turn left!"

[aggie08 21504]

Just now, David Dennison said:

This isn't new. Democratic policies are generally more popular than Republican policies. It's been that way since the New Deal.

But a Republicans--and now MAGA--are really good at eliciting emotion, and here we are.

[JBJ 3654]

EJ Carroll was the only one dismissed I can find.

Edited November 8 by JBJ

[Frank Drebin 5642]

15 minutes ago, Pancho said:

There is dem arrogance, sure. That isn’t the major issue.

I’ll research it after my flight, but there was someone did a focus group on dem policies and they worded it in a way to make it seem like they were policies coming from the radical republican party. Those in the group loved the policies and were really excited about them. The whole time, thy were policies the Dems were proposing or were already doing. 

 

This is 100% a misinformation/disinformation election. 

 

 

 

 

Let me create a poll and I can get you one just as embarrassing for Ds

[aggie08 21504]

1 minute ago, JBJ said:

 

EJ Carroll was the only one dismissed I can find.  You might want to rethink this post.

Yes, I'm sure massive settlements for libel are headed Trump's way any day now.

[linux 1660]

The absolute saddest part of all is that Joe Rogan is not that bad, yes I get he says crazy stupid shit, but he corrected Trump 3 times about Kamala not showing up, and actually praised her debate performance. Do you think she gets that treatment from Sean Hannity? who we tolerated for decades?

Part of getting an influencer for young men is getting off our high horse, our purity culture, and doing Joe Rogan interviews. We are fucked if we keep being the high horse, only the purest of characters allowed. Tim Waltz is never going to be that guy feminists, he needs the edge.

Also bring back Al Franken my fucking god I swear we decapitated him only to get a woman senator appointed in his place, identity politics is evil because it hurts us as a party.