The single most important thing that has to change

[troph 24781]

7 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

The interest rate on my first mortgage was 13 1/2% I have a friend whose first house was 15%.   

Carter was cooked without the Iran crisis. 

That’s what I’m saying. Inflation is the most sure reason for an incumbent loss in modern American presidential politics. 

[David Dennison 18841]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

How’d that go Tuesday?

I wasn't aware it was on the ballot.

[aggie08 21481]

28 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

"Soros" DAs had nothing to do with bail reform in Houston, Texas.  

Bail reform was mandated by a court case affirmed by the 5th Circuit, specifically in an opinion authored by Edith Brown Clement, she-wolf of the SS.  https://casetext.com/case/odonnell-v-harris-cnty-11

 

He's been told this before. They don't care. 

They'll put this one in the cooler for a couple of months and then repeat it again somewhere else verbatim.

[ChickenSandwich 9824]

16 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It also hasn't spent a dime of that money.  States had to make application for that money and a lot of them dicked around and needlessly fought over free money, in many cases prodded by telecom companies who didn't want to give low rates.

I assume they are having the same issues with the money set aside to build EV charging stations/infastrure?

[linux 1660]

7 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

How’d that go Tuesday?

They poll aggregate said the states that matter where tossups, Sezler was really really wrong though, but it was not an aggregate, aggreagate had Iowa in the his column.

Polls did way better than last year, to my disappointment,

[Frank Drebin 5654]

24 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

"Soros" DAs had nothing to do with bail reform in Houston, Texas.  

Bail reform was mandated by a court case affirmed by the 5th Circuit, specifically in an opinion authored by Edith Brown Clement, she-wolf of the SS.  https://casetext.com/case/odonnell-v-harris-cnty-11

 

I know all about that opinion.  I know very well the Susman lawyer who won the case.  Its holding applies to indigent misdemeanor defendants and per se cash bail requirements.  
 

The murder i am referencing is a horse of another color. This was a violent felon with a long rap sheet.  He was given low bail based on the recommendation of a Soros bought prosecutor and a progressive judge.  It’s catch and release. They did not have to give low bail to this piece of shit.  They did.  If you switched the Harris County justice system with the Montgomery County folks, my friend would still be alive.  
 

This shit happens twice a week in Harris County.  People around here are fed up and it led to a rightward shift in the local vote. 

[WBT 20561]

7 hours ago, aggie08 said:

Yep. Anyone telling you this was an election about policy is full of absolute shit. Hard to foresee any future election being about policy.

Or a past election.  It's always vibes and cult of personality.

[BevoAbyss 2058]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

But also, we are not 1934 Germany all over again.

With all due respect, this is very naive.

It is astounding that otherwise smart people do not realize that Trump 2 is an Extinction Event.

We are finished as a secular democracy. We are literally handing the nation and rule of law over to a bunch of fascist thugs and incels, led a Mob Boss Mussolini. We are giving the nation over to a criminal dictator. And no one with power is doing a damn thing to stop it. No one!

The US is in the Weimar America stage, not in every detail, but in essentials. From mass deportations to concentration camps to far worse to come. The US is a now Christian Fascist state. The apparatus for total domination is being assembled right before our eyes.

The ACLU is supposedly ready with all kinds of lawsuits

And I am sure the Top Shelf Surly law dogs will correct me and explain how the inexorable Wheels of Justice will still save us. 

 

 

Edited November 9 by BevoAbyss

[David Dennison 18841]

1 minute ago, BevoAbyss said:

With all due respect, this is very naive.

It is astounding that otherwise smart people do not realize that Trump 2 is an Extinction Event.

We are finished as a secular democracy. We are literally handing the nation and rule of law over to a bunch of fascist thugs and incels, led a Mob Boss Mussolini. We are giving the nation over to a criminal dictator. And no one with powre doing a god damned thing to stop it. No one!

The US is in the Weimar America stage, not in every detail, but in essentials. From mass deportations to concentration camps to far worse to come. The US is a now Christian Fascist state. The apparatus for total domination is being assembled right before our eyes.

The ACLU is supposedly ready with all kinds of lawsuits

But I am sure the Top Shelf Surly law dogs will correct me and explain how the Wheels of Justice will still save us. 

That sounds scary. What are you doing about it?

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

2 hours ago, linux said:

Something the Democratic party has to come to grips with itself, we need a leader a populist one and we need to fall in line, no more neurotic thinking, no more identity politics, no more shitty mainstream media that shackles us, fight them all the way be adversarial on how out of touch they are.

A populist leader needs a common enemy to rally against. Pick the episcopalians and we could possibly steal some of the gross Baptists from the Republicans.

[linux 1660]

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

That sounds scary. What are you doing about it?

Promote accelarationsim 0 deficit austerity the Nazis were not dumb enough to try it, but Milei in Argentina did and Elmo loves Milei.

[BevoAbyss 2058]

18 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

That sounds scary. What are you doing about it?

Not much .... across 25 years.

Just a long-time writer (books, essays), artist, sometimes public intellectual .... Even been quoted a few times in the holy New York Times. But I'm not famous, just small fry compared to TED talkers, social media influencers, fascist podcasters, celeb writers, etc. Just doing my fucking best to creatively engage and enlighten people. In public arenas.

Politics is not my speciality, mine is art and philosophy. But I've been warning liberals for 30 years about the dangers of Republicans+religion only to be told I am an alarmist. Time, and time again. I have failed in that goal. This nation just not believe that unchecked religious power is a problem.

But, I am out in the public and trying. Not just a trash talking keyboard warrior. 

Edited November 9 by BevoAbyss

[David Dennison 18841]

4 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

Not much .... across 25 years.

Just a long-time writer (books, essays), artist, sometimes public intellectual .... Even been quoted a few times in the holy New York Times. But I'm not famous, just small fry compared to TED talkers, social media influencers, fascist podcasters, celeb writers, etc. Just doing my fucking best to creatively engage and enlighten people. In public arenas.

Politics is not my speciality, mine is art and philosophy. But I've been warning liberals for 30 years about the dangers of Republicans+religion only to be told I am an alarmist. Time, and time again. I have failed in that goal. This nation just not believe that unchecked religious power is a problem.

But, I am out in the public and trying. Not just a trash talking keyboard warrior. 

Welp. Nothing lasts forever.

We had a good run. 

[Nivek 16916]

Have the hearing expedited, and when he doesn’t show up for inauguration because of incarceration, allow the previous administration to act as regent until he completes his sentence. Which should be about 4-8 years. President Biden can resign and defer to President Kamala.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

8 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Have the hearing expedited, and when he doesn’t show up for inauguration because of incarceration, allow the previous administration to act as regent until he completes his sentence. Which should be about 4-8 years. President Biden can resign and defer to President Kamala.

[Incredulity 11645]

18 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Have the hearing expedited, and when he doesn’t show up for inauguration because of incarceration, allow the previous administration to act as regent until he completes his sentence. Which should be about 4-8 years. President Biden can resign and defer to President Kamala.

Ladies and Gentlemen the bargaining phase of grief.

[WhatTheBuck 28772]

4 hours ago, Pancho said:

They are also very condescending and douchy.

Disagree. 

[TwiceHorn 31435]

2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

He's been told this before. They don't care. 

They'll put this one in the cooler for a couple of months and then repeat it again somewhere else verbatim.

I should correct.  EBC is not the she-wolf of the SS, that's Edith Jones, EBC is bad, but not that bad.  I get my biblically named reactionaries confused.

[TwiceHorn 31435]

2 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

I know all about that opinion.  I know very well the Susman lawyer who won the case.  Its holding applies to indigent misdemeanor defendants and per se cash bail requirements.  
 

The murder i am referencing is a horse of another color. This was a violent felon with a long rap sheet.  He was given low bail based on the recommendation of a Soros bought prosecutor and a progressive judge.  It’s catch and release. They did not have to give low bail to this piece of shit.  They did.  If you switched the Harris County justice system with the Montgomery County folks, my friend would still be alive.  
 

This shit happens twice a week in Harris County.  People around here are fed up and it led to a rightward shift in the local vote. 

Name the judge and the line prosecutor.  Name the bail amount and compare it with similar defendants. Kim Ogg is not a progressive prosecutor.

And no one ever gets bail in Montgomery County and goes on to commit other crimes.

🙄

https://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/montgomery-county-bail-jumper-jailed-for-wifes-murder/

https://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/19-year-oldwoman-who-set-victims-on-fire-in-custody-in-montgomery-county-jail-charged-with-murder/

Edited November 9 by TwiceHorn

[Frank Drebin 5654]

2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

He's been told this before. They don't care. 

They'll put this one in the cooler for a couple of months and then repeat it again somewhere else verbatim.

I responded to it.  It didn’t apply.  You’re wrong. And so was he.  

[Frank Drebin 5654]

5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Name the judge and the line prosecutor.  Name the bail amount and compare it with similar defendants. Kim Ogg is not a progressive prosecutor.

She’s not?  I guess Soros gave her half a million for the fuck of it.  

I’ll look up the case later.  

In the meantime you want ti explain to me how the holding in Odonnel concerning misdemeanor bonds has anything to do with the bond for a violent felon with a long rap sheet?  Or were you just talking about shit you don’t understand?

[TwiceHorn 31435]

18 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

She’s not?  I guess Soros gave her half a million for the fuck of it.  

I’ll look up the case later.  

In the meantime you want ti explain to me how the holding in Odonnel concerning misdemeanor bonds has anything to do with the bond for a violent felon with a long rap sheet?  Or were you just talking about shit you don’t understand?

You implied something systemic like bail reform.  Kim Ogg has been opposed to it nearly from the time she took office, despite running as a progressive.

Bail fuckups happen all the time, everywhere, for all kinds of reasons.  There's been no reporting of Anthony Landry Martin being out on PR or some absurdly low bail, just that he was out on bail.  Nor is it reported that his offenses prior to the agg domestic assault were violent.  

ETA:  The domestic assault was hitting a family member with a cane, for which he got a 10k bond.  https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2024/05/anthony-martin-landry-angry-mcdonalds-customer-wanted-shooting-murder-jeffrey-limmer/

This site indicates that average bond in progressive Tarrant County for a 3rd degree felony is 2500. https://www.bhwlawfirm.com/fort-worth-bail-bonds/

Edited November 9 by TwiceHorn

[Frank Drebin 5654]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

You implied something systemic like bail reform.  Kim Ogg has been opposed to it nearly from the time she took office, despite running as a progressive.

Bail fuckups happen all the time, everywhere, for all kinds of reasons.  There's been no reporting of Anthony Landry Martin being out on PR or some absurdly low bail, just that he was out on bail.  Nor is it reported that his offenses prior to the agg domestic assault were violent.

They were violent.  He just lived in other jurisdictions.  So they don’t show up on Harris County website.  He has a long rap sheet in federal court and in Fort Bend county and Louisiana.  People are extremely pissed.  He did manage to avoid trouble for ten years. But only because he was in prison.  
 

The case you cited has no application to him being out on bail on felony aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.  Something he was indicted for literally the day before he murdered Jeff 

Edited November 9 by Frank Drebin

[Frank Drebin 5654]

Democrats control the entire Harris County criminal justice system. And they suck dick at it. Swap them out with the Montgomery County outfit and crime would plummet.  
 

And the Democrats have filled our civil courts with a bunch of judges who are retarts by primarying all the competent Democrat judges who have the wrong genitalia or skin pigment.  So that’s nice too. 

Edited November 9 by Frank Drebin

[TwiceHorn 31435]

15 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

They were violent.  He just lived in other jurisdictions.  So they don’t show up on Harris County website.  He has a long rap sheet in federal court and in Fort Bend county and Louisiana.  People are extremely pissed.  He did manage to avoid trouble for ten years. But only because he was in prison.  
 

The case you cited has no application to him being out on bail on felony aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.  Something he was indicted for literally the day before he murdered Jeff 

If he was indicted for it the day before, he probably didn't bond out.  Records indicate he was indicted in February and bonded out thereafter.

You're going to have to show your work here.  You have alleged, without evidence, that Martin was out on bail because of progressive prosecutors, Soros-funded ones to be precise.

The only fact is that Martin was out on bail.  That happens.  Quite often, in fact, in all jurisdictions.

Edited November 9 by TwiceHorn

[Ted Lange 16082]

4 hours ago, aggie08 said:

Hopefully there's a complete reset on the perceived advantage of the incumbent. It no longer makes a shit and no important decision should take it into account.

Well incumbent candidates across the world have been voted out in almost every country. 

[Ted Lange 16082]

 

[linux 1660]

The only universal constant is poverty, we are hitting the limit of what is peaceful social income inequality, we will have crazy shit happening going forward.

I don't know what the peaceful solution is though, maybe socially acceptable fake jobs under UBI funded by AI and automation, but in the past the wealth was syphoned from poor countries to prevent internal revolt, but this time it is not enough.

2 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

 

 

[PRONG HORN 3131]

12 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Y’all have the weirdest hang up on everything sex identity or sexuality related. It doesn’t affect you. At all. It’s really weird. 

 

 

Tweet from science reporter who contributes to NY Times, Wa Post, Atlantic, etc showing discussion on CNN.  

 

@1:04  "That's not regular people.  There's no consensus that these are actually boys"   Doesn't exactly help your case that "Y'all have the weirdest hang up".  

 

 

 

 

 

There are people on the left trying to help the left move on, and there are still people who can't and won't admit facts, and it's effecting voter's perceptions imho, as we saw Tuesday. 

 

 

[Thatguy 8671]

7 hours ago, closetohumping said:

Did the “she’s Indian not a real minority” thing work for the pubs?

It was good for a few points in the black community amongst the self-loathing black people. I ran into a few of those weirdos.

Yesterday my wife came home crying. She was talking to an older couple and they got on the subject of kids. Like a lot of parents do, she showed them a picture. The guy then told her that she was in sin because she married interracially, not knowing my wife is half Asian(she has blue eyes). Then he started talking about how Trump was going to get the country back for them and right the ship.

Those "Take America Back" flags mean something. It's a dog-whistle that has worked for generations. Now the racists are back out and emboldened. This next 4 years is going to be an absolute shitshow and we deserve every bit of it. I have my popcorn ready.

 

[Thatguy 8671]

6 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Democrats control the entire Harris County criminal justice system. And they suck dick at it. Swap them out with the Montgomery County outfit and crime would plummet.  
 

And the Democrats have filled our civil courts with a bunch of judges who are retarts by primarying all the competent Democrat judges who have the wrong genitalia or skin pigment.  So that’s nice too. 

You know we have data on how red districts perform elsewhere right? Look at the states to the right of us. Head on over the West Virginia. Plenty of red districts with worse crime per capita than Harris. You folks with your same, easily refutable talking points. "Crime would stop if Rs controlled the criminal justice system". Hahahaha. Rs are the reason for the crime in the first place since the one truth is poor people commit crimes.

Your story is also made up.

Edited November 9 by Thatguy

[TwiceHorn 31435]

14 hours ago, JBJ said:

So looking at the first few: Claiming Trump has a quid-pro-quo with Russia is not left-wing progoganda/disinformation?

Defamation part of the 4th one is ongoing still.

"Trump linked to porn-linked bank" not left-wing disinformarion?

That was not the point.  Trump filed a bunch of reputationally related lawsuits (that isn't all of them, either) that were dismissed on First Amendment grounds, for the most part.  That is, the Sullivan rule applied in the Dominion case.

If by "fourth one" you mean the Mary Trump case, NYT was dismissed out of if on 1A grounds, Mary was still in it last time anyone checked because she breached an NDA, allegedly.   Trump wanted that to be a defamation case, but two problems, truth and limitations.  So he attacked the source of the information, Mary, and NYT for publishing it.

And no that's not disinformation, it's accurate w/r/t the porn-linked bank's investment in Trump Media.  The quid pro quo was an opinion based on facts set forth in the editorials, and thus not actionable.

Edited November 9 by TwiceHorn

[PRONG HORN 3131]

45 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Those "Take America Back" flags mean something. It's a dog-whistle that has worked for generations. Now the racists are back out and emboldened. This next 4 years is going to be an absolute shitshow and we deserve every bit of it. I have my popcorn ready.

 

 

It's a world wide phenomena.  Not even we are immune.  In the long run hopefully no one culture will rule this country. 

 

Not the Christian, or any other religious culture

or Gender Ideology

or Any Race

We'll function better as a big grey area, AKA the melting pot.  Some people are just having a hard time melting, that's all.

 

 

 

[TwiceHorn 31435]

Just now, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

It's a world wide phenomena.  Not even we are immune.  In the long run hopefully no one culture will rule this country. 

 

Not the Christian, or any other religious culture

or Gender Ideology

or Any Race

We'll function better as a big grey area, AKA the melting pot.  Some people are just having a hard time melting, that's all.

 

 

 

That's a reasonable post.  So why align with those who want one culture and race to rule this nation.

There's always been cultural strife here:  British v. French, Dutch, Scots-Irish.  Puritans v. religious freedom folks.

The melting pot has always won out.

[PRONG HORN 3131]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's a reasonable post.  So why align with those who want one culture and race to rule this nation.

 

 

I don't think Tuesday was the result of, or victory for, White Christians.  They might celebrate like it was, but that's them not melting.  

 

 

[TwiceHorn 31435]

2 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

I don't think Tuesday was the result of, or victory for, White Christians.  They might celebrate like it was, but that's them not melting.  

 

 

It might not have been voted for by those supporting White "Christians," in the deciding percentage, but it was certainly a victory for them.

Look at the State of Texas. Look at Project 2025.  Look at the immigration rhetoric.

[LCHorn 2612]

1 minute ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

I don't think Tuesday was the result of, or victory for, White Christians.  They might celebrate like it was, but that's them not melting.  

 

 

David Frum was on the Bulwark podcast Election Day (so recorded well before any results were known) and he brought this up.  He said blacks and Hispanics are voting with their economic peers and that’s a good thing in the long run.   

[closetohumping 17433]

2 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

Tweet from science reporter who contributes to NY Times, Wa Post, Atlantic, etc showing discussion on CNN.  

 

@1:04  "That's not regular people.  There's no consensus that these are actually boys"   Doesn't exactly help your case that "Y'all have the weirdest hang up".  

 

 

 

 

 

There are people on the left trying to help the left move on, and there are still people who can't and won't admit facts, and it's effecting voter's perceptions imho, as we saw Tuesday. 

 

 

I don’t know shit but I think the original plan was for Joe to leave a couple years in.  Let Kamala take over.

 

 

what they did here was too hasty and near impossible to succeed. 

[Biff Tannen 45661]

2 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

Tweet from science reporter who contributes to NY Times, Wa Post, Atlantic, etc showing discussion on CNN.  

 

@1:04  "That's not regular people.  There's no consensus that these are actually boys"   Doesn't exactly help your case that "Y'all have the weirdest hang up".  

 

 

 

 

 

There are people on the left trying to help the left move on, and there are still people who can't and won't admit facts, and it's effecting voter's perceptions imho, as we saw Tuesday. 

 

 

Neat. You didn’t answer the question. 

1 hour ago, PRONG HORN said:

We'll function better as a big grey area, AKA the melting pot.  Some people are just having a hard time melting, that's all.

Holy shit we agree. Well, except that you all are the ones not melting. 

[Sawbonz 27527]

17 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Your google fu sucks.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/29/politics/trump-cnn-big-lie-defamation-lawsuit/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/09/business/media/trump-new-york-times-lawsuit-dismissed.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/federal-judge-sanctions-trump-lawyer-nearly-1-million-rcna66652 (not really anything, but defamation comes as close to a cause of action that might have been pled)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/03/donald-trump-lawsuit-new-york-times-mary-trump (not really defamation, but close)

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/washington-post-beats-trump-media-merger-defamation-suit-for-now

https://reason.com/2023/02/06/a-federal-judge-has-dismissed-the-trump-campaigns-defamation-lawsuit-against-the-washington-post/

https://www.wpr.org/media/trump-campaign-lawsuit-against-northwoods-tv-station-dismissed

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/district-of-columbia/dcdce/1:2020cv00626/215841/25/

 

 

He’s a troll

[Frank Drebin 5654]

33 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Neat. You didn’t answer the question. 

Holy shit we agree. Well, except that you all are the ones not melting. 

The good people in the Rio Grande Valley disagree with privileged white progressive liberals.  But to be fair, no one can stand you assholes.  

[Sawbonz 27527]

2 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

It's a world wide phenomena.  Not even we are immune.  In the long run hopefully no one culture will rule this country. 

 

Not the Christian, or any other religious culture

or Gender Ideology

or Any Race

We'll function better as a big grey area, AKA the melting pot.  Some people are just having a hard time melting, that's all.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

I don't think Tuesday was the result of, or victory for, White Christians.  They might celebrate like it was, but that's them not melting.  

 

 

Who are you and what have you done with Pronghorn?

[Frank Drebin 5654]

[Thatguy 8671]

48 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

The good people in the Rio Grande Valley disagree with privileged white progressive liberals.  But to be fair, no one can stand you assholes.  

The good people in the Rio Grande Valley are about to find out that they don't have a seat at the table and I am here for it.

Edited November 9 by Thatguy

[Frank Drebin 5654]

1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

The good people in the Rio Grande Valley are about to find out that they don't have a seat at the table and I am here for it.

They’ve been trending MAGA since 2016.  They went through Trump’s first term and went even more right.  Then Biden and Harris and even more right.  This isn’t something that just happened last week. Again, they don’t like the bullshit that white progressives are selling.  Do you know any of them?

I lived in the Valley for three years.  I can speak the language pretty well.  I still spend a lot of time in south Texas at the ranch.  I see the explosion of flags and bumper stickers and signs in places like Duval County that used to be 90 percent Democrat.

You guys don’t understand how fucked the border has become the last 4 years.  You don’t understand that Hispanics aren’t cool with transgender transitions for kids or tampons in boys bathrooms.  Or biological males playing against girls. They are mostly hard working people who are very patriotic and have traditional values.  They have nothing in common with the typical limo liberal/government worker/academic progressive on this board.
 

I’ve got money.  But I can guarantee I could sit down with and have a lot more common with a South Texas Hispanic than most of the supposed “elites” on this board. The two families that have worked at our ranch for decades are Hispanic.  We all break bread together every time we’re down there. Their politics probably are the same as they’ve always been. But they feel democrats have moved too far to the left on social issues. They love Trump because of this. 

[Biff Tannen 45661]

15 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

You guys don’t understand how fucked the border has become the last 4 years.  You don’t understand that Hispanics aren’t cool with transgender transitions for kids or tampons in boys bathrooms.  Or biological males playing against girls.

Yep. Sure. This is all happening and makes a ton of sense. 

[Incredulity 11645]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yep. Sure. This is all happening and makes a ton of sense. 

[ChickenSandwich 9824]

9 hours ago, linux said:

The only universal constant is poverty, we are hitting the limit of what is peaceful social income inequality, we will have crazy shit happening going forward.

I don't know what the peaceful solution is though, maybe socially acceptable fake jobs under UBI funded by AI and automation, but in the past the wealth was syphoned from poor countries to prevent internal revolt, but this time it is not enough.

 

It was much simpler than that.

Dismissing and or ignoring the information below, decided the election. The rest is noise.

 

The typical American household must spend an additional $11,434 annually just to maintain the same standard of living they enjoyed in January of 2021, right before inflation soared to 40-year highs, according to a recent analysis of government data.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/inflation-households-need-extra-11400-these-states-its-even-higher/

 

The middle class wasn’t treading water, they were drowning 

Edited November 9 by ChickenSandwich

[mchookem 16319]

3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's a reasonable post.  So why align with those who want one culture and race to rule this nation.

There's always been cultural strife here:  British v. French, Dutch, Scots-Irish.  Puritans v. religious freedom folks.

The melting pot has always won out.

right? im like 'who is this dude and what has he done with PRONGHORN??' 🤔😐

[Biff Tannen 45661]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Cool dude. Pick on a vulnerable population that doesn’t affect your life. You are a big man.