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21 hours ago, SameSame said:

Y'all must have some national secret shit going on.  If you use twitter for light convos and smart-ass remarks, I don't see the point in rushing to delete anything.

 

You probably think if you haven’t done anything wrong, it’s ok to talk to the cops too.

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6 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

When finding all my history and writing nerds and Ukraine OSINT people are moving over to Bluesky. I am seriously loving the feeds function.  I had been using the Starter Pack stuff, but the feeds was what I needed to look into.

Did you use "sky follower bridge" to re-connect with your twitter follows and followers? It's a chrome add-on.

https://blueskydirectory.com/

 

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2 hours ago, Chopper said:

Did you use "sky follower bridge" to re-connect with your twitter follows and followers? It's a chrome add-on.

https://blueskydirectory.com/

Yep, took a bit of time, but it added a lot more.  @Hornius Emeritus you should do that.  It gives you the option to add all. Anybody thinking about it should probably use it now, because twitter has blocked these types of things in the past.

Leon wants X.com to eventually Be Everything to Everybody - their email, news, social media, photo and video sharing, banking, etc., platform and him getting his AI stuff running at a high level is a part of that strategy - AI-generated content will keep his followers happy.

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10 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Adam Mosseri and Zuckerberg really fucked up with Threads. They had the time and the motivation.  A shitload of us really gave them a chance, but they had to be stubborn on things like forcing us to use another app for DMs (Instagram) and not rolling out certain features that allowed newbies to Bluesky to hit the ground running.

 

So to rehash Mosseri and Zuckerberg's fuckup:

  • Lack of hashtags beyond the first one.
  • DMs being pushed to an entirely separate client
  • Bluesky's feeds function
  • Bluesky's starter pack function
  • Sky Follower Bridge made it easy/automated to get back to "normal" with people from twitter who came over.

I've truly wound down the last of my twitter accounts, which was not many.  Some had been setup only for a website or two and weren't active enough to care about when starting over. The rest were for OSINT/Ukraine, some history stuff, and some football stuff.

CFBSky starter pack seems to be a decent jumping off point for CFB fans, but I haven't seen enough of the twitter folks active yet.

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6 hours ago, Chopper said:

Did you use "sky follower bridge" to re-connect with your twitter follows and followers? It's a chrome add-on.

https://blueskydirectory.com/

 

This was very useful. I tried something similar back when I first got my Blue Sky invite and it was underwhelming, but this is exactly what I had hoped for - it's not a perfect reproduction, but it certainly looks a lot like my old (i.e., pre-Elmo) Twitter feed. 

Now I'm just downloading whatever I can via X before deactivating tomorrow. 

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11 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

This was very useful. I tried something similar back when I first got my Blue Sky invite and it was underwhelming, but this is exactly what I had hoped for - it's not a perfect reproduction, but it certainly looks a lot like my old (i.e., pre-Elmo) Twitter feed. 

Now I'm just downloading whatever I can via X before deactivating tomorrow. 

What the userbase calls "the nuclear block" helps keeps bluesky relatively civilized. For example, there's not much quote dunking. If someone is an annoyance, the block function vaporizes them from your sight, and keeps them from seeing your account, unless you unblock them.

Also if you like an active feed you definitely need to follow more accounts than on twitter because nothing gets pushed into your feed unless you want it there. 

The number of new users is very apparent. I don't seek a following myself but for example I estimate the noelreports account (pro Ukraine) engagement has increased by a factor of 20 or so just in the past week. 

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On 11/12/2024 at 5:54 AM, Chopper said:

Did you use "sky follower bridge" to re-connect with your twitter follows and followers? It's a chrome add-on.

https://blueskydirectory.com/

@Hornius Emeritus Have you tried this? It's probably going to take you hours to search through your twitter profile.

I'm running it every day as more people keep coming over to Bluesky and at some point, Twitter will block it (they've done it for account scrapers in the past).

They went from 5,700 (I think) Starter Packs to 8,200 in just a few days.

I saw somebody mention on Bluesky that they've never seen such a rapid migration between platforms/websites, and I'm thinking "let me introduce you to Surly". 

Edit: Bluesky topped the App charts, and it's picking up a lot of steam outside of the US once again (apparently many are seeing it becoming just a mouthpiece for certain friends of Leon).

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20 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It would be great if we could get bluesky posts to show up on here like tweets.

Invision devs said they were looking at it back in August. I'm guessing the recent exodus might spur them on.

Right now it's only HTML embeds.

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Damn, once you import all of your twitter followers/followed, once you hit the right starter packs and the right feeds

Bluesky is all

Another thing bluesky has is blocklists. If you subscribe to one you can mute everyone in it, or simply block them, in mass.  Similar to smart packs, apparently anyone can start one but here's probably the most well-known https://bsky.app/profile/numb.comfortab.ly/lists/3l6vb3qsxi32w  However with blocklists, anytime a user gets added to a list to which you've subscribed, that account gets blocked or muted automatically, per how you've instructed when you subscribe to the list. Think nazi trolls, crypto scammers. There's also a maga blocklist  https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:e4elbtctnfqocyfcml6h2lf7/lists/3l53cjwlt4o2s 

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3 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

 

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Well shit, he beat me to it.

That's really funny seeing how you responded to his dumb joke a day before you decided to repeat it and then pretend as if you hadn't seen it.

Really clever.   Don't worry, no one cares.

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3 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

The fact that every 4th post isnt an ad for some bottom bin garbage, makes BlueSky light years ahead.   In fact there are no ads, I wonder how long that can last.

They have plans to raise funds from users soon, but it will remain free, they won't boost paid subscribers, unlike Elmo.  I am more than happy to live with those.

Bluesky Announces Series A to Grow Network of 13M+ Users - Bluesky

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With this fundraise, we will continue supporting and growing Bluesky’s community, investing in Trust and Safety, and supporting the ATmosphere developer ecosystem. In addition, we will begin developing a subscription model for features like higher quality video uploads or profile customizations like colors and avatar frames. Bluesky will always be free to use — we believe that information and conversation should be easily accessible, not locked down. We won’t uprank accounts simply because they’re subscribing to a paid tier.

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Additionally, we’re proud of our vibrant community of creators, including artists, writers, developers, and more, and we want to establish a voluntary monetization path for them as well. Part of our plan includes building payment services for people to support their favorite creators and projects. We’ll share more information as this develops.

 

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So two friends of mine were moaning about what they see on BlueSky, and they did not realize there isn’t an algorithm like Twitter, that it’s driven by people you follow/your feed/lists and that you have to kickstart everything.  My wife was the same way until she got things set up.

I know it’s been said here, but you have to curate this stuff, but it means you’re not inundated with bots, women with pictures of their genitalia on their profile, people who claim we didn’t land on the moon or that the Holocaust didn’t happen, or that aggy is on its way to a historic season, but who end up in your feed because they have a checkmark because they paid $8 a month, etc.

You also get tabs for specific feed topics, so when you want to look at Ukraine stuff, you click on the Ukraine tab, when you want CFB stuff, you click on CFB, etc. and it’s really good and efficient to have everything so neatly organized.

https://www.southernfriedscience.com/a-quick-and-dirty-guide-to-making-custom-feeds-on-bluesky/

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Okay, I wish I had fully switched to Bluesky a while back. I can easily move back and forth between my Ukraine peeps, my WWII and medieval history peeps, my retro computer peeps, my fellow Sela Ward stalkers, some of my college football peeps (they are lagging everybody) and my feeds are not cluttered with bullshit and conversations are far more active.

Also, they now have over 10,000 starter packs.  They've doubled their user base in 90 days, and it looks like sometime today, they will hit another million new users over 24-30 hours.

 

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2 hours ago, immamac said:

Should I set up a bluesky server for surly users? 

How many users do they allow for new servers now?  It was 10 earlier this year, and once your server was running for a bit and was "respectable", they'd increase the limits.  Basically trying to weed out spammers/scammers or at least keep them limited and from overwhelming regular services.

This says it's still 10 to start, unless I read it wrong.

Early Access Federation for Self-Hosters | Bluesky

So you should start now and then when Surly's reputation is proven, more than 10 can join it.  

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57 minutes ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

Is there an option on bluesky to see the first unread post when I refresh instead of the newest post? This shit is driving me nuts.

Not right now. I'm sure that's been requested as a new feature though and they're constantly adding new features. Can't hurt for you to request it too. There's a place to do request new features, I believe through settings and then help. For the time being try sticking a red pin to the post you want to easily find, that might be the easiest thing. https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:q6gjnaw2blty4crticxkmujt/feed/my-pins that creates your own feed of posts you've put a red pin to and your last one will be easy to find. 

Also when I joined I had to turn off the setting that showed replies to posts because that was driving me nuts and they had it on by default. Not sure if it's still on by default but that's another setting you may want to turn off at settings > following feed preferences. 

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2 hours ago, immamac said:

Should I set up a bluesky server for surly users? 

Going with the "no dumb questions" theory, what would that do? I'm guessing it'd allow us to post with our usernames here and share info, such as follow lists?  (That seems potentially awesome.)

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Damn, they are getting a thousand new users a minute.

https://bsky.app/profile/samuel.bsky.team/post/3lawbh3pbzs2z

Tying into that stat, tThey picked up over a million new users today, and in the midst of it, got a fiber cable cut.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/14/24296537/bluesky-acting-up-outage-down

https://bsky.app/profile/hailey.at/post/3lawh3ungck2o

"We have now hit 16 million users. We're looking like we might onboard another million today, we'll see. Regardless we'll be far past 16.5 million I'm quite certain."

And they did hit 16.5 million. https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

1 hour ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

Is there an option on bluesky to see the first unread post when I refresh instead of the newest post? This shit is driving me nuts.

I don't think there is either, but there is this:

"For now you can create a list and add all the people you want to keep up to date with and pin the list as a feed."

That might show you the unread.

 

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Looks like another 750,000 - 900,000 since this time yesterday.  Not sure if they'll hit 1 million, but it'll be close.

I tried BlueSky in the past, but I dunno, either not my crowd there at the time, or what, but reading the timeline, looks like Jack Dorsey (Twitter founder) bailed in April/May after disagreeing with the moderation options that BlueSky was implementing.  Apparently, he was strongly against the block functionality they implemented and was spouting some Elon Musk bullshit about people shouldn't be able to block others or something (because we all love scrolling past neo-Nazis and Apollo-deniers in our feeds).  After he left the board, the others were able to rapidly move ahead with a lot of improvements, to the point where we end up with what we have now.

Speaking of, BlueSky saying they won't use your posts to train AI.

Unlike X, Bluesky says it won't train AI on your posts | TechCrunch

 

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Looks like another 750,000 - 900,000 since this time yesterday.  Not sure if they'll hit 1 million, but it'll be close.

I tried BlueSky in the past, but I dunno, either not my crowd there at the time, or what, but reading the timeline, looks like Jack Dorsey (Twitter founder) bailed in April/May after disagreeing with the moderation options that BlueSky was implementing.  Apparently, he was strongly against the block functionality they implemented and was spouting some Elon Musk bullshit about people shouldn't be able to block others or something (because we all love scrolling past neo-Nazis and Apollo-deniers in our feeds).  After he left the board, the others were able to rapidly move ahead with a lot of improvements, to the point where we end up with what we have now.

Speaking of, BlueSky saying they won't use your posts to train AI.

Unlike X, Bluesky says it won't train AI on your posts | TechCrunch

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Yes, let's listen to Jack (From May 9, 2024)

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Jack recently deleted his account on Bluesky, once pitched — by him — as social media’s decentralized solution to censorship, and left the company’s board. I reached out and asked him why, which is where our call began. In a rare, far-reaching interview, what follows is a missing chapter of internet history that sheds light not only on Bluesky, but Twitter, X, and the past five years of censorship and backlash. Because of vulnerabilities designed into the technology, social media, in its current, centralized form, can’t survive the global war on speech. The future will be decentralized, or it won’t be free.

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I wanted to do something similar with Twitter, because it was the only way to get out of a lot of the issues we were seeing around the decisions we had to make on accounts, and the pressures we had as a public company based entirely on a brand advertising model. The only way to do it was to remove the protocol layer from Twitter and make it something we didn't control.

So what if we created a team that was independent to us, that built a protocol that Twitter could use, and then build on top of? Then we wouldn’t have the same liabilities, because the protocol would be an open standard, like HTTP or SMTP. Twitter would become the interface, and we could build a valuable business by competing to be the best view on top of this massive corpus of conversation that's happening in real time.

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In Jay's case, she decided she wanted to set up a completely different entity, a B Corp. That accelerated even more when Elon made the acquisition offer, and it very quickly turned into more of a survival thing, where she felt she needed to build a company, and build a model around it, get VCs into it, get a board, issue stock, and all these things. That was the first time I felt like, whoa, this isn’t going in a direction I'm really happy with, or that wasn’t the intention. This was supposed to be an open source protocol that Twitter could eventually utilize.

I feel like she made the right decision, given that Dorsey eventually bailed on BlueSky, and BlueSky had to find money.

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And then, as you know, Elon backed off [on the acquisition], and that disaster happened [laughs], until he finally bought it, which was the worst timeline ever. But throughout all that, it became more and more evident that Bluesky had a lot of great ideas. And they're ideas I believe in. I think the internet needs a decentralized protocol for social media. I think Elon needs it. I think X needs it. I think it removes liability for the company, to separate those layers.

But what happened is, people started seeing Bluesky as something to run to, away from Twitter. It's the thing that's not Twitter, and therefore it's great. And Bluesky saw this exodus of people from Twitter show up, and it was a very, very common crowd.

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This tool was designed such that it had, you know, it was a base level protocol. It had a reference app on top. It was designed to be controlled by the people. I think the greatest idea — which we need — is an algorithm store, where you choose how you see all the conversations. But little by little, they started asking Jay and the team for moderation tools, and to kick people off. And unfortunately they followed through with it.

A "common crowd" that didn't want neo-Nazis and cultists flooding their feeds?  I'm shocked!

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That was the second moment I thought, uh, nope. This is literally repeating all the mistakes we made as a company. This is not a protocol that's truly decentralized. It’s another app. It's another app that's just kind of following in Twitter's footsteps, but for a different part of the population.

Everything we wanted around decentralization, everything we wanted in terms of an open source protocol, suddenly became a company with VCs and a board. That's not what I wanted, that's not what I intended to help create.

LOL, he literally helped setup BlueSky to be independent from him and the others.

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All that said, I really respect Jay. She was under a lot of pressure to survive and do the things that she did. But directionally, I just don't align with it. And I'd love to see more effort placed on open protocols akin to Nostr, which hits every single attribute that I was searching for when we originally kicked this idea off. If you go back to my thread, and Mike Masnick’s Protocols, Not Platforms article, it hits every single one of those things, whereas Bluesky ultimately just went another direction.

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It was the anti-Twitter. People were literally running from Twitter to Bluesky, and that is not a way to build something successful.

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Twitter is still a corporation. X is still a corporation. It has to make a conscious choice about the rights it grants to users, based on its policies. The fortunate thing is it's no longer a public company with a profit incentive based on an advertising model that can be wildly swayed by the whims of advertisers moving their budget elsewhere if they don't like what you're doing. So Elon made a choice, and I think it's the right choice. I think he bought it at the wrong time in the market, obviously, but the choice was, I'm just going to suffer that cost to maintain these policies that I want. And that means the advertisers have left, predominantly, and the business model is going to struggle.

Why the fuck would advertisers want to associate with white supremacists and 9/11 conspiracy nuts?

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You have to build up a lot more than advertising to make that model work. You have to build subscriptions, which Elon is doing. You have to build commerce. You have to base more of your model on these internet primitives that can monetize better than advertising if you're going to have policies like [Elon’s].

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It seems like you set the wheels of the entire Elon saga in motion, starting with Elon joining the board. Was your sense that it would end up with Elon taking the company private?

I had tried to get Elon on the board for some time. He obviously loves Twitter, and I've always loved how he used it, because he used it in a very pure form. And he would be extremely expressive on it. So I tried to get him on the board twice before, but the board ultimately said no both times. Which also was one of the reasons I left, the second time that that happened.

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How did Twitter survive, with pressure from foreign governments like that? You managed to avoid country-wide bans for the most part, right?

Yeah. Elon has taken a different tack. Our principle was around free speech on the internet as a general rule, and that we would fight governments on that. His is free speech as determined by local law, and that means if India says you have to take these accounts down, you have to take those accounts down, because they're against the law.

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Yes. Our path was, India would say, "We're going to turn Twitter off." And they have a history of doing stuff like this. They did it with TikTok. And the other path — Elon's current path — you just have to take the accounts down.

Wait, Elon censors people by taking their accounts down?  Shocked, shocked I say!

I will say that he's ignoring the whole Federated/private server thing, which was being developed while he was still on the board of BlueSky. It even launched 3 months before he deleted his account and quit.

Bluesky opens up federation, letting anyone run their own server | TechCrunch

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