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Guadaloopy

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1 minute ago, bolverk said:

I'm just not down with the dug-in assholes who act like pricks and minimize all things Covid, which I'm definitely NOT accusing you of.

I'm definitely not one to minimize COVID... I was just shocked by the number.  

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1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

OK... that makes sense.  Read Troph's comment that we currently have 500M cases.  Makes more sense that we have had 500M cases over the past four years.

yale medicine report suggests 400M right now. again if you take longer than 12 weeks as the diagnosis (plus no other known cause) then it does make sense especially given the percentages for longer symptoms like anxiety, sleep disturbances, etc. which can include a staggering number of people and if you consider some resolve completely by 14/16/20 weeks etc. then you have some drop out and some added in.  keep in mind the rate of long covid is estimated at 3.5% of all infections - on the low side.

bottomline, covid is no fucking joke, even for the healthy. you just never know what's going to happen with that virus.

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Guadaloopy

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I definitely don’t fuck around with it.  I got the triple-whammy vax late September with flu, COVID, and my second shingles shot.   Did it on a Friday afternoon and ended up sleeping almost all day Saturday.  I have vague memories of Arch vs ULM.  

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36 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I definitely don’t fuck around with it.  I got the triple-whammy vax late September with flu, COVID, and my second shingles shot.   Did it on a Friday afternoon and ended up sleeping almost all day Saturday.  I have vague memories of Arch vs ULM.  

This is me too.

I got TDAP, Covid, and flu all in early October.

My arm fucking hurt like a MFer and I had a nice knot all weekend and was super sleepy.

 

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jimmyjazz

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3 minutes ago, Annie_Tobak said:

Didn't take you as a vax injury denier. Weird you didn't know that exists. There's even a government reporting mechanism, believe it or not! https://vaers.hhs.gov/

I don't know who you are, and I don't know how you know me, but VAERS is not a sound resource.  The CDC's official stance:

  • Anyone — patients, family members, healthcare providers and vaccine manufacturers — can submit a report to VAERS. Healthcare providers and vaccine manufacturers are legally required to report certain events after vaccination.
  • A report to VAERS does not mean that a vaccine caused an adverse event
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5 hours ago, Bevo said:

My assistant's dad has tested positive multiple times - Turns out he didn't know how to read the tests. C does not stand for Covid, it stands for Control. 2 dots are a positive.

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So he really didn't test positive.

If that's his test, he should find better tests.

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Bevo

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12 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

So he really didn't test positive.

If that's his test, he should find better tests.

 

Even better, I think he makes instruction manuals for a living. Maybe he should read them. And to top it off, he was on vacation the last time he tested "positive" and spent his entire European vacation in isolation. All second hand, but every time I think about it, I get a nice laugh - It's like Christmas in Waco.

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Annie_Tobak

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2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't know who you are, and I don't know how you know me, but VAERS is not a sound resource.  The CDC's official stance:

  • Anyone — patients, family members, healthcare providers and vaccine manufacturers — can submit a report to VAERS. Healthcare providers and vaccine manufacturers are legally required to report certain events after vaccination.
  • A report to VAERS does not mean that a vaccine caused an adverse event

Sir, is it your position that you don't think in a large enough population group, there is such a thing as vaccine injury and that there isn't a % of people-- no matter how small-- that weren't vaccine injured? I'm trying to understand your opinion based on your initial comment which seemed completely dismissive, so please clarify so I don't make a bad inference.

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48 minutes ago, Annie_Tobak said:

Sir, is it your position that you don't think in a large enough population group, there is such a thing as vaccine injury and that there isn't a % of people-- no matter how small-- that weren't vaccine injured? I'm trying to understand your opinion based on your initial comment which seemed completely dismissive, so please clarify so I don't make a bad inference.

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HouTex

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm saying vaccine injury is incredibly rare and I don't believe you were injured.  I think you're an anti-vaxxer throwing shit on the wall.

Wait.  So it’s not even possible that Annie, in fact, had complications from the shot?  Sure, it’s extremely unlikely, but you must know that it does happen.  Right?

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jimmyjazz

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7 minutes ago, HouTex said:

Wait.  So it’s not even possible that Annie, in fact, had complications from the shot?  Sure, it’s extremely unlikely, but you must know that it does happen.  Right?

Sure, it happens, more to specific demographics than others, but I'm just testing the wind here and I don't believe the claim.  Call me an asshole.

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HouTex

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6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Sure, it happens, more to specific demographics than others, but I'm just testing the wind here and I don't believe the claim.  Call me an asshole.

Ok.  I’m cool with that. 

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Annie_Tobak

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2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Sure, it happens, more to specific demographics than others, but I'm just testing the wind here and I don't believe the claim.  Call me an asshole.

Okay, so you at least acknowledge the existence. Personally, I could not care less if you believe I was or wasn't as you don't pay my medical bills, but the vaccine injury deniers are equally as absurd and ignorant as the anti-vaxxers.

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12 minutes ago, Annie_Tobak said:

Okay, so you at least acknowledge the existence. Personally, I could not care less if you believe I was or wasn't as you don't pay my medical bills, but the vaccine injury deniers are equally as absurd and ignorant as the anti-vaxxers.

So what was the injury?

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8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

So what was the injury?

No offense, but that's personal and potentially self-doxing. Like I said, there is literally no difference to me or you or anyone else whether you believe ME or not that I was vaccine injured, the question was more generally "do you believe that Covid vax could cause a vaccine injury AND would that count as long Covid because it was indirectly caused by Covid or Covid-adjacent reasons?"

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11 hours ago, Annie_Tobak said:

No offense, but that's personal and potentially self-doxing. Like I said, there is literally no difference to me or you or anyone else whether you believe ME or not that I was vaccine injured, the question was more generally "do you believe that Covid vax could cause a vaccine injury AND would that count as long Covid because it was indirectly caused by Covid or Covid-adjacent reasons?"

Ok.  I'm interested because there's a dude that was a mountain bike "influencer" and racer that did good instructional videos with his girlfriend.  https://www.ridemtb.com/

He got the vax and got some really weird symptoms including apparently myocarditis that destroyed his fitness, his ability to bike, his ability to make bike content, and his relationship.  From the videos, he was a patient and kind soul.  But, due to his misfortune, he became a tool or pawn of Covid nutbags.  Sad story.

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28 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Ok.  I'm interested because there's a dude that was a mountain bike "influencer" and racer that did good instructional videos with his girlfriend.  https://www.ridemtb.com/

He got the vax and got some really weird symptoms including apparently myocarditis that destroyed his fitness, his ability to bike, his ability to make bike content, and his relationship.  From the videos, he was a patient and kind soul.  But, due to his misfortune, he became a tool or pawn of Covid nutbags.  Sad story.

Or he faked it to live off the grift instead of having to work.

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33 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Ok.  I'm interested because there's a dude that was a mountain bike "influencer" and racer that did good instructional videos with his girlfriend.  https://www.ridemtb.com/

He got the vax and got some really weird symptoms including apparently myocarditis that destroyed his fitness, his ability to bike, his ability to make bike content, and his relationship.  From the videos, he was a patient and kind soul.  But, due to his misfortune, he became a tool or pawn of Covid nutbags.  Sad story.

So, they've proven his alleged problems were from being vaccinated?

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jimmyjazz

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

He got the vax and got some really weird symptoms including apparently myocarditis 

 

That one seems to be a rare but real side effect for young men.  (The symptom, not commenting on that particular athlete.)

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Vaccine injuries exist.  They are quite rare.  They are also, by and large, part of the calculus for people who are bad at math. They're a lot like incidents of people dying in a car crash BECAUSE they were wearing a seatbelt -- that does happen.

Sure, it's VASTLY outnumbered by people who SURVIVE car crashes because they're wearing seatbelts.  But anti-vaxxers don't do that math.  They only count the first number.

Oh, and Annie Tobak is almost certainly lying about being vaccine injured.  Or, he's counting "my arm swelled a bit and was sore for a day" as a "vaccine injury."

The math is simple and plain.  And real-world observations are going to back that up.  I personally know people who died of COVID, and who have suffered/are suffering with long COVID, contracted pre-vaccine.  I don't know a single person with a COVID vaccine injury.

But don't worry, none of this matters.  Vaccinations are soon to be a thing of the past.  We are going to return to the good old days of easily spreading communicable diseases, hitting unprotected populations.  And to make it better, there will be no global effort to stop any of these in their tracks (like we did with SARS and MERS and Ebola) because we're going to kill the World Health Organization.  We're going to Make America Healthy Again, with horsepaste, supplements sold on Infowars, and holistic almond milk and kale smoothies pushed by an army of TikTok influencers.  All will be wonderful, there will be no more pandemics, no more disease.   Getting rid of vaccines will be the greatest health improvement ever in the history of the world, the healthiest thing you've ever seen, the likes of which nobody has ever seen before.

And if you do get sick, you know what will heal you?

That's right.....

 

CRYPTO!!!!

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Vaccine injuries exist.  They are quite rare.  They are also, by and large, part of the calculus for people who are bad at math. They're a lot like incidents of people dying in a car crash BECAUSE they were wearing a seatbelt -- that does happen.

Sure, it's VASTLY outnumbered by people who SURVIVE car crashes because they're wearing seatbelts.  But anti-vaxxers don't do that math.  They only count the first number.

Oh, and Annie Tobak is almost certainly lying about being vaccine injured.  Or, he's counting "my arm swelled a bit and was sore for a day" as a "vaccine injury."

The math is simple and plain.  And real-world observations are going to back that up.  I personally know people who died of COVID, and who have suffered/are suffering with long COVID, contracted pre-vaccine.  I don't know a single person with a COVID vaccine injury.

But don't worry, none of this matters.  Vaccinations are soon to be a thing of the past.  We are going to return to the good old days of easily spreading communicable diseases, hitting unprotected populations.  And to make it better, there will be no global effort to stop any of these in their tracks (like we did with SARS and MERS and Ebola) because we're going to kill the World Health Organization.  We're going to Make America Healthy Again, with horsepaste, supplements sold on Infowars, and holistic almond milk and kale smoothies pushed by an army of TikTok influencers.  All will be wonderful, there will be no more pandemics, no more disease.   Getting rid of vaccines will be the greatest health improvement ever in the history of the world, the healthiest thing you've ever seen, the likes of which nobody has ever seen before.

And if you do get sick, you know what will heal you?

That's right.....

 

CRYPTO!!!!

So glad you're back spreading sunshine and good will. I missed you!

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Let me start with I'm pro-vaccine. My father died of covid. I realize my situation is a single data point. There are many factors involved and correlation is not nessecarily causation.

I had not had a flu in over 30 years. I remember the time frame as I ended up with pneumonia and I was bad, bad sick. 

For well over 30 years, no cold, no flu, hell not even a stomach virus (setting aside hangover "stomach viruses").

I got the covid vaccine and boosters. 1 week after the covid vaccine, I got covid. 2 weeks after the second booster I got it again. Neither were particularly bad. One feel like shit day, one laggy day and done.

It's made me extremely skeptical about flu vaccines.

-Fin

 

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44 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

That one seems to be a rare but real side effect for young men.  (The symptom, not commenting on that particular athlete.)

And it's even a more prevalent side-effect from contracting COVID19 than the rare side-effect of vaccination.

 

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-poses-higher-risk-for-myocarditis-than-vaccines

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I am pro vaccine.  My kids got all the required vaccines when they were kids. And I got the Covid jab.  But I am not really interested in getting boosters. I have had Covid 4 times and the first go around (Jan 2021) was the only time I had symptoms that were anything more than mild or not noticeable -- and even then it was just fatigue for a couple weeks.  Two of the times I got it was within a year of being vaxxed.  I just had it in August and was asymptomatic -- I only tested because we had a ranch party and several attendees tested positive.  I don't usually get a flu shot either.  But I only get the flu once every decade/

I am 48, healthy BMI, healthy BP, healthy blood tests, and no comorbidities.  I see no need for the booster given my health and past experiences with Covid.  My kids never got the Covid jab.  I personally think it is silly to give healthy minors the Covid jab.  If it did something to actually stop the spread with any efficacy, I might feel different.

If you are old, fat, have diabetes, etc. you should definitely get the boosters.

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BurntEyes

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1 hour ago, Deej said:

So you believe 30 years of not getting sick was due to not getting any vaccinations? Were you not vaccinated as a child?

What part of this was unclear so I can help you.

To start with I'm pro-vaccine. My father died of covid. I realize my situation is a single data point. There are many factors involved and correlation is not nessecarily causation.

 

I had not had a flu in over 30 years. I remember the time frame as I ended up with pneumonia and I was bad, bad sick. 

 

For well over 30 years, no cold, no flu, hell not even a stomach virus (setting aside hangover "stomach viruses").

 

I got the covid vaccine and boosters. 1 week after the covid vaccine, I got covid. 2 weeks after the second booster I got it again. Neither were particularly bad. One feel like shit day, one laggy day and done.

 

It's made me extremely skeptical about flu vaccines.

 

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A very good friend of mine's ex-wife developed Gulianne-Barre after taking Covid Booster and flu vaccine in 23.

She is a cancer survivor from approximately 8 years prior.

She is allegedly going to end up with a vaccine fund settlement in the mid-single millions.  He did say she has very low likelihood of surviving 3 years.  

 

When he was telling me all this I just sat there in complete stunned shock only really able to say, "I'm so sorry" about a dozen times.   Just brutal.

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