The Mandela Effect and Moonraker

[Jerry Callo 8720]

10 hours ago, Deej said:

You could have just bought a "Free Nelson Mandela" t-shirt. 

In 1985 I professed I ain't gonna play Sun City and I've been true to my word. 

[fellside 1114]

I thought the braces was even a part of the plot. Like the reason Jaws bonded with her was they both had metal mouths. And when he smiled with his "jaws" she smiled back with braces.

Weird one.

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2652]

yeah  wtf  are the braces the whole reason her and jaws fell in love???

 

this is blowing mind 

Edited November 19 by FORTY NINE TO ZERO
mind blown

[atomheartbevo 89778]

14 hours ago, Red Five said:

My only personal experience with this is that I have a memory of John Larroquette dying. Like I remember reading about it at my desk at work. Only problem is that he isn't dead. Not sure if it was a dream or what, but I was pretty confused a few years ago when he had some new project come out. "Was this made before he died? Wait what do you mean he's not dead?" 

For some reason I thought he died after he made The 10th Kingdom. And then I thought it was Ann-Margret but she's alive and kicking.

Turns out that Moira Lister and Rutger Hauer are the only major stars to have died since then.

[notre dame joe 195]

17 hours ago, Red Five said:

My only personal experience with this is that I have a memory of John Larroquette dying. Like I remember reading about it at my desk at work. Only problem is that he isn't dead. Not sure if it was a dream or what, but I was pretty confused a few years ago when he had some new project come out. "Was this made before he died? Wait what do you mean he's not dead?" 

That one is simple.  The only surviving members of Night Court are currently on Night Court. 

19 hours ago, rage-a-holic said:

uh, how old are you? 

He is famous for being a radical anti-apartheid activist/leader who was imprisoned for almost 30 years. 

Just list all of the imprisoned activists who didn't become president

[rage-a-holic 4453]

5 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

Just list all of the imprisoned activists who didn't become president

So in the 80's, you think all those people marching in protests and wearing "Free Mandela" shirts were early campaign supporters?

Seriously, learn some history. He was famous long before he was president.

[Red Five 40881]

So in the 80's, you think all those people marching in protests and wearing "Free Mandela" shirts were early campaign supporters?
Seriously, learn some history. He was famous long before he was president.

His release from prison was a much bigger story than his election.

Unless I’m remembering that wrong due to the Mandela Effect and oh no I’ve gone cross eyed.

[rage-a-holic 4453]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

His release from prison was a much bigger story than his election.

Unless I’m remembering that wrong due to the Mandela Effect and oh no I’ve gone cross eyed.

That and all the hot liberal chicks wearing "Free Mandela" shirts in the 80s.

The "famous for being president" take is not one I've heard before. It's like arguing that Arnold Schwarzenegger is famous for being governor of California. 

[Pokoloco 1281]

The whole comic bit was that she had braces. It doesn't make sense otherwise.

[Dutchrudder 11150]

Uhhh...

[Red Five 40881]

The whole comic bit was that she had braces. It doesn't make sense otherwise.

Yeah, “Braces Girl” not having braces is a pretty good one.

[Dutchrudder 11150]

 

 

[MAUFRAIS 6633]

If someone had taken a Polaroid of the screen when the movie was in theaters, would it still show the braces today?

[rage-a-holic 4453]

7 minutes ago, MAUFRAIS said:

If someone had taken a Polaroid of the screen when the movie was in theaters, would it still show the braces today?

I posted a pic from the original 35mm print on the 1st page. No braces.

[Red Five 40881]

Well the idea is that reality was changed. So the pic would be like the disappearing picture in Back to the Future…. If it originally showed her with braces, it would not show her with braces now.

Or something. She has big tits.

[MAUFRAIS 6633]

I posted a pic from the original 35mm print on the 1st page. No braces.

No I mean you took a picture back then when it was in theaters.

[Jerry Callo 8720]

I'm pretty sure the Mandela Effect has more to do with people arguing over dumb shit.

[Rimbo 26053]

5 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

I'm pretty sure the Mandela Effect has more to do with people arguing over dumb shit.

i mean... yeah

[rage-a-holic 4453]

33 minutes ago, MAUFRAIS said:

No I mean you took a picture back then when it was in theaters.

That pic is from an original 35mm print. That's what was shown in theaters. There was no giant conspiracy where United Artists secretly tracked down every 35mm print in existence and manually erased her braces.

 

[Red Five 40881]

Again, we’re talking about reality changing here…. Only some people remember the unaltered version.

So yeah if you took a picture of a newspaper clipping saying that Mandela died in prison in 1988 or whatever, that wouldn’t exist now, because it never happened. Or it would change, a la Back to the Future.

It doesn’t make any sense at all when you break it down but I do find it interesting. Especially bizarre cases like this one.

[rage-a-holic 4453]

3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Again, we’re talking about reality changing here…. Only some people remember the unaltered version.

So yeah if you took a picture of a newspaper clipping saying that Mandela died in prison in 1988 or whatever, that wouldn’t exist now, because it never happened. Or it would change, a la Back to the Future.

It doesn’t make any sense at all when you break it down but I do find it interesting. Especially bizarre cases like this one.

Let's just use Occam's Razor here. What's more likely?

1. Time travelers from the multiverse edited our timeline so we don't see Dolly's braces anymore...for reasons
2. Some people mistakenly thought Dolly was wearing braces when they watched a movie 45 years ago

[Red Five 40881]

Let's just use Occam's Razor here. What's more likely?

1. Time travelers from the multiverse edited our timeline so we don't see Dolly's braces anymore...for reasons
2. Some people mistakenly thought Dolly was wearing braces when they watched a movie 45 years ago

Oh I know. I’m just playing along with the hypothetical.

[MrBig 5429]

2 hours ago, rage-a-holic said:

Let's just use Occam's Razor here. What's more likely?

1. Time travelers from the multiverse edited our timeline so we don't see Dolly's braces anymore...for reasons
2. Some people mistakenly thought Dolly was wearing braces when they watched a movie 45 years ago

What about this? Can’t tell what is real or fake anymore.

 

[Rimbo 26053]

42 minutes ago, MrBig said:

What about this? Can’t tell what is real or fake anymore.

 

boomshakalaka

[HornOnTheBayou 8945]

If Nelson Mandela had braces, why didn't he just chew threw the jail bars and escape?

[rage-a-holic 4453]

48 minutes ago, MrBig said:

What about this? Can’t tell what is real or fake anymore.

 

That's a fan edit, like the pic I posted on the 1st page. This video dives into it a lot more.

 

One of the possible explanations is the Visa commercial Richard Kiel did, wherein a checkout girl with braces smiles at him. A lot of people probably conflate that with the movie.

 

[notre dame joe 195]

10 hours ago, rage-a-holic said:

Let's just use Occam's Razor here. What's more likely?

1. Time travelers from the multiverse edited our timeline so we don't see Dolly's braces anymore...for reasons
2. Some people mistakenly thought Dolly was wearing braces when they watched a movie 45 years ago

3. She was wearing braces at her funeral decades earlier. 

[Deej 76897]

I have a friend who insisted Jaws was played by Randall "Tex" Cobb. 

[MrBig 5429]

I need to see a Laserdisc or Betamax 1983 release version of the movie to make absolutely sure she didn’t have braces. It is the only way I can know for sure. In the meantime I saw this website in the internet archive to keep the discussion rolling. 

https://web.archive.org/web/20160817022733/http://dolly.barriereader.co.uk/dolly.html

 

[rage-a-holic 4453]

13 minutes ago, MrBig said:

I need to see a Laserdisc or Betamax 1983 release version of the movie to make absolutely sure she didn’t have braces. It is the only way I can know for sure. In the meantime I saw this website in the internet archive to keep the discussion rolling. 

https://web.archive.org/web/20160817022733/http://dolly.barriereader.co.uk/dolly.html

 

[MrBig 5429]

4 minutes ago, rage-a-holic said:

I’m not trying to be the conspiracy guy. It’s insane to think that if the braces were actually there, the studio went to the lengths it did to erase every shred of evidence she ever had braces from the film and home release versions.

But on the other hand, this is one instance where I can understand why they would do something like this and remove the braces to avoid the implications of tarnishing a billion dollar franchise. Having a busty woman with pigtails and braces running around with a large man isn’t a good look and everyone knows it. 

The actress herself said there was no braces so we just have to take her word for it since we have no solid proof to back up our memories of the braces.  

[NorthLoop 14226]

My guess is the film quality was so crappy back then that you probably couldn't tell either way, and people just assumed they saw braces on that blurry ass screen. 

[rage-a-holic 4453]

5 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

My guess is the film quality was so crappy back then that you probably couldn't tell either way, and people just assumed they saw braces on that blurry ass screen. 

35mm film quality has a higher pixel density equivalent than 4k. It was more likely shitty projectors/small dirty screens/people viewing from 200 feet away.

[Pokoloco 1281]

2 hours ago, Deej said:

I have a friend who insisted Jaws was played by Randall "Tex" Cobb. 

That's the Randella effect.

 

I'll show myself out.

[notre dame joe 195]

On 11/20/2024 at 6:46 AM, MrBig said:

I’m not trying to be the conspiracy guy. It’s insane to think that if the braces were actually there, the studio went to the lengths it did to erase every shred of evidence she ever had braces from the film and home release versions.

But on the other hand, this is one instance where I can understand why they would do something like this and remove the braces to avoid the implications of tarnishing a billion dollar franchise. Having a busty woman with pigtails and braces running around with a large man isn’t a good look and everyone knows it. 

The actress herself said there was no braces so we just have to take her word for it since we have no solid proof to back up our memories of the braces.  

She is a trope.  It's something like Hollywood Awkward where you take a beautiful actress and give her one (or two!?) flaws and pass that for unattractive.  Looks like here all they added was pig tails.