Texas vs. Arkansas - 11:00am on ABC

[LTtxfan 49911]

Texas just beat kentucky and aggy 🤘

[RomaVicta 30501]

15 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

I’ll take a ten point win on road against Arky while kneeling in scoring position all day long.  Ewers needs to play a little better 

I think the only thing lacking is his long ball. That's important, but doesn't change how well he leads receivers and finds the right receiver. The drops killed some of our possessions.

Count me among the happy for coming away with a win. I don't care about covering or any betting shit. I think Arkansas is the most fanatical effort we face all season when we play there. I say that fully aware of the OU game. 

I'm glad the game is back. I saw a lot of good Texas Arkansas games back with Akers and Holtz. The 1969 game is one of the first games I watched on TV and knew what was going on.

The Aggies have been a joke most of my life.

Anyways, feeling good about the win after the third quarter scare.

[Pescado_Rojo 19559]

2 hours ago, Cajun said:

No, she asked me for some of my Skoal and then when I handed her the empty plastic cup the conversation went as follows -

Her - "What's that for?"

Me - "Spit cup."

Her - "There's two things I don't spit out & Skoal is one of them."

[TrashMaster G 18030]

2 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Very weird situation. 

You could tell by the pregame videos that a lot of Texas players were confused by the playing service. It was like they've never seen that type grass before. 

Say what now?

[Rickylovesweed 15307]

13 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

Say what now?

*surface. 

It's early. 

[TreatyOak 17199]

6 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

If we had a QB worth a fuck it would have been out of reach in q2

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Edited November 17 by TreatyOak

[Hank Kingsley 21598]

Sure, if you told me before the game we won by 10, I would take it. 

But then you actually watch the game 5-10 minutes in and see: 

1. Environment at stadium was manageable and not intimidating 

2. Arkansas was not playing with their hair on fire 

3. Our defense was easily holding down Green and Arkansas' offense 

4. Quinn was not getting pressured that much 

 

That should be a recipe for a comfortable win. And we didn't do it. I think it says a lot that Pittman was ready to drain 2nd half clock coming out of halftime. He knew that was the only chance they had, and it got hairy for us for a little while. If we play reasonably well on offense. 

 

[Hayduke 91]

Agreed that it looks like a recipe for a comfortable win, and agree with the individual points ... or at least that things LOOKED like that from the comfort of my living room. But even large-screen, high-def views don't tell any of us the complete picture of what's going on down there.

"Could have" is probably more accurate than "should have" in the end. Because it could have gone the other way. "Should have" is the attitude you want your team to have going into every game, but the bottom line is that we're one of the few one-loss majors sitting in this position in a highly competitive field. We've hit on two of what used to be the big three games with spitfire opponents and the opportunity for number three coming up.

I'm not complaining. Might have been griping mentally, even out loud, a little bit yesterday in the middle part of the game. But when it came down to it, the Horns took care of their business and the end of that game was a highly satisfactory exclamation point on a big win.

Edited November 17 by Hayduke

[TrashMaster G 18030]

Mam, the sandy vaginas are out in force.

[Valmy77 13567]

1 hour ago, B00M said:

Compared to this year’s, sure, but compared to the last 20 years of Texas football? You go too far sir.

Maybe. But there was definitely a pattern where we would build a lead and then start giving up lots of big plays to let the other team back in the game.

[Huckleberry 34407]

51 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I think the only thing lacking is his long ball. That's important, but doesn't change how well he leads receivers and finds the right receiver. The drops killed some of our possessions.

I know I'm a broken record but the other thing is attacking the medium depth middle of the defense. From what I can tell that's a combination of Ewers and Sarkisian and it is severely limiting the offense. Defenses are able to essentially ignore that area and it is killing our run game and even the short flat stuff that we love as safeties and backers are completely unafraid to abandon the middle to crash the line of scrimmage and/or cover the outside thirds.

Edited November 17 by Huckleberry

[Hayduke 91]

I just took the lazy way of finding out how many times the Horns have beaten Arkansas, Oklahoma and A&M in a single season. The AI bot tells me it's happened three times in our long history. That's pretty damned rare, and we've got a great chance of accomplishing it again.

Part of me says that's not right. Seems like it should have happened at least a couple more times since 1893. Regardless, it's fairly rare, and that should tell us all a lot about the difficulty of getting to where we are now.

[Deej 77672]

12 hours ago, immamac said:

This is good old fashioned fantastic hate that didn't go outside of football or that day, but just a hilarious day where you are ruthless to someone because of the team they root for. 

This type of stuff is fantastic memories and it's no harm no foul. 

aggy is gonna be different. They are going to physically assault people and say very fucking unfunny things that aren't a joke and across the line. 

 

[Rickylovesweed 15307]

8 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I know I'm a broken record but the other thing is attacking the medium depth middle of the defense. From what I can tell that's a combination of Ewers and Sarkisian and it is severely limiting the offense. Defenses are able to essentially ignore that area and it is killing our run game and even the short flat stuff that we love as safeties and backers are completely unafraid to abandon the middle to crash the line of scrimmage and/or cover the outside thirds.

100%. 

The middle of the field is wide open the entire game. Ewers is unwilling to punish teams with his legs. The amount of space Ewers has to scramble up the middle is insane throughout our games. 

He should be rushing for 50 yards without even being touched the way teams are defending the middle of the field. 

Edited November 17 by Rickylovesweed

[RomaVicta 30501]

14 hours ago, CastHorn said:

That was a good team. This Hog team lost to an Oklahoma State team with 3 wins. I’m not interested in y’all’s mental gymnastics. I already said I’m along for the ride, I’m just disgruntled is all. My disgruntled meter is elevating watching another team drive on UGA, something we couldn’t do without personal foul calls. 

I don't get the pleasure a fan like you gets out of a season. You're not alone in your attitude. I'm not scolding you for lack of school spirit; I'm just truly mystified about the difference in which we experience a season. 

I also don't want to go "a win is win. E'erbody be happy." I hated the shit fights with lousy teams we always ended up in with Strong and Herman. How many times can a 21-point lead turn into a white-knuckler? Fuck!

We're 9-1 and ranked in the top five. It's a weird year in college football because the season is almost over and it's difficult to tell how good anybody really is. That includes us. I think it's a great thing for the first season with a 12 team playoff. I'm having fun.

Maybe I'm a low-expectation motherfucker (thanks, Chris Rock). You seem like someone who could manage to be disappointed in a championship team that is less than perfect. Sounds miserable to me, but there's all sorts of things about the humans that are mysterious.

Hook 'Em!

[RomaVicta 30501]

13 hours ago, Cajun said:

Then it has changed.  Last time I was there was when VY took their souls and still remember two very distinct Fayettenam experiences after the game.  

The first was some dude who yelled at Lat22 & me walking back toward Dickson St - "Hey Longhorn, I hope you both get in a car wreck and die tonight!"

The second was while I was pissing next to another Horn fan at some outdoor beer joint where the stall had just two urinals with a foot of space between them.  Some dude who looked like a roadie for Skynrd sticks his head in between the urinals looking back up at both of us and says, "Hey LONGHORNS, you didn't cover the spread!!!"  His face was getting splattered the whole time down there.  He didn't care.

Couldn't make that shit up if I tried.

Yep. The hostility was real. Some stations in Arkansas wouldn't sell gas to people with Texas plates on their cars.

I'm glad it's changed to something a little more garden variety.

[Huckleberry 34407]

34 minutes ago, Hayduke said:

I just took the lazy way of finding out how many times the Horns have beaten Arkansas, Oklahoma and A&M in a single season. The AI bot tells me it's happened three times in our long history. That's pretty damned rare, and we've got a great chance of accomplishing it again.

Part of me says that's not right. Seems like it should have happened at least a couple more times since 1893. Regardless, it's fairly rare, and that should tell us all a lot about the difficulty of getting to where we are now.

That's not even close to accurate. 1968 and 1977 in addition to 1963, 1969, and 1970 without even having to think about it. 

Edited November 17 by Huckleberry

[blutow 238]

Solid win in my opinion.  While it's fun to watch blowouts like last week, I never felt like the win was at serious risk and we played smart most of the game.  Very few moments where I felt we were giving Arky anything for free.  Blue has to be better protecting the ball and I question Bolden's decision making on punt returns at times (although it hasn't bit us yet), but it was mostly a well executed game other than that.  A few throws missed and a few balls dropped, that's football.  Minimal penalties or serious breakdowns.  I think Sark's comments post game help tell the story - when your defense is playing that well, playing conservative/safe football makes a lot of sense.  No reason to risk forcing a ball down field when up by 2 scores when Arky was doing nothing on offense.  The downside of a turnover in that situation is much greater than the benefit of another first down.  Once Arky got some momentum, I thought we responded well.  I really don't get the Quin hate, the guy made some outstanding throws when it mattered and managed the game well.  Lots of championships have been won using that formula.        

[TrashMaster G 18030]

6 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

That's not even close to accurate. 1968 and 1977 in addition to 1963, 1969, and 1970 without even having to think about it. 

1990

[RomaVicta 30501]

12 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

Most gas pumps have card readers now so I don't think in this day and age anybody really "sells you gas"

This was the kind of terror we faced in an Arkansas gas station:

Don't tell me it wasn't hell!

[RomaVicta 30501]

19 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

That's not even close to accurate. 1968 and 1977 in addition to 1963, 1969, and 1970 without even having to think about it. 

1983, too. 

[Wulaw Horn 19560]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

An interesting scenario is A&M losing to Auburn and then beating Texas. A two loss Texas goes over A&M, even though A&M beat Texas late in the season? Aggies would scream burnt orange media conspiracy. 

Yes. They would have 3 losses.  We’d go over them. Same as if Georgia loses to tech. 

[Huckleberry 34407]

14 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

1990

 

1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:

1983, too. 

Fine I'll put together a list when I'm back at the house. 

[ClubWhatever 12277]

1 hour ago, TrashMaster G said:

Mam, the sandy vaginas are out in force.

Mam?

[TrashMaster G 18030]

3 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Mam?

It's pronounced "man"

😁

[Surly Bevo 25657]

36 minutes ago, blutow said:

Solid win in my opinion.  While it's fun to watch blowouts like last week, I never felt like the win was at serious risk and we played smart most of the game.  Very few moments where I felt we were giving Arky anything for free.  Blue has to be better protecting the ball and I question Bolden's decision making on punt returns at times (although it hasn't bit us yet), but it was mostly a well executed game other than that.  A few throws missed and a few balls dropped, that's football.  Minimal penalties or serious breakdowns.  I think Sark's comments post game help tell the story - when your defense is playing that well, playing conservative/safe football makes a lot of sense.  No reason to risk forcing a ball down field when up by 2 scores when Arky was doing nothing on offense.  The downside of a turnover in that situation is much greater than the benefit of another first down.  Once Arky got some momentum, I thought we responded well.  I really don't get the Quin hate, the guy made some outstanding throws when it mattered and managed the game well.  Lots of championships have been won using that formula.        

Yep.  And it's one of the reasons Quinn is the guy.  Do I wish we were making some more explosive things happen and him in particular with intermediate and long routes and with his legs?  Absofuckinglutely.  That said despite all the gnashing of teeth about some tipped balls at Vandy etc in 20 starts over the last two seasons QE3 has thrown 12 interceptions against 43 TDs.  Now you can argue that he has gotten away with some things and yea he has, but every QB gets away with some things and what that shows is he doesn't put the ball at risk all that often. Coaches love that shit especially when they have an outstanding defense.  The game we lost is the game he decided to be a turnover machine.  

Edited November 17 by Surly Bevo

[Pimphand 6266]

14 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Closest game was on the road vs Ohio State and an 11 point Aggie game before USC.

We were down 12-28 to Oklahoma State before Vince went into super beast mode in the 2nd half and we scored 5 straight touchdowns to wind up blowing them out but by far and away that first half was the worst 2 quarters of football the 05 team played all season.

[Huckleberry 34407]

List of seasons where Texas defeated all three of Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Texas A&M:

1903 (also tied Oklahoma in a game, played them twice)
1906
1907
1908 (4-0, beat A&M twice)
1916
1932
1934
1940
1941
1942
1943
1944
1945
1946
1947
1958
1959
1961
1962
1963
1968
1969
1970
1977
1983
1990
2008 (! - can't believe I forgot about this one)

AI may someday take over the world, but today is not that day. @Hayduke asked the question, the correct answer is 27, AI told him it was 3.

Edited November 17 by Huckleberry

[BurntOrange&White 41653]

2 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

We were down 12-28 to Oklahoma State before Vince went into super beast mode in the 2nd half and we scored 5 straight touchdowns to wind up blowing them out but by far and away that first half was the worst 2 quarters of football the 05 team played all season.

Cool, could Quinn do that?

[Huckleberry 34407]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Cool, could Quinn do that?

If you need Vince Young to win the national championship, that's on your coaches and the rest of the roster. One team in the history of college football has had fully weaponized Vince Young, yet every year someone wins the title.

[Pimphand 6266]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Cool, could Quinn do that?

[Cajun 11771]

2 hours ago, Majorcholas said:

Marriage. Material.

She was a marginally better looking version of Ruth from the series Ozark.  Exact same disposition --

[Huckleberry 34407]

To think of it another way, Texas has beaten all three of them in the same season more times than Arkansas has just beaten Texas.

[BurntOrange&White 41653]

2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

If you need Vince Young to win the national championship, that's on your coaches and the rest of the roster. One team in the history of college football has had fully weaponized Vince Young, yet every year someone wins the title.

I'm referring to it more from a mental standpoint. Obviously Quinn is no where near the player Vince was. 

[Hayduke 91]

1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

That's not even close to accurate. 1968 and 1977 in addition to 1963, 1969, and 1970 without even having to think about it. 

And that's why I said it didn't seem right, and that my approach was that of a lazy man. (Also one who wanted to see if AI on this kind of stuff has improved much, or is still telling us about bears in space.)

I also figured it was conversation fodder for a Sunday morning, and that's not such a bad thing for a discussion board. Thanks to Huck for checking it out.

Not sure what I think about AI, though. Part of my reason for not looking things up myself is dealing with students and AI this weekend. Hell of a lot less fun than watching us beat the Hogs in Fayetteville.

Edited November 17 by Hayduke

[Codaxx 6216]

1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

I know I'm a broken record but the other thing is attacking the medium depth middle of the defense. From what I can tell that's a combination of Ewers and Sarkisian and it is severely limiting the offense. Defenses are able to essentially ignore that area and it is killing our run game and even the short flat stuff that we love as safeties and backers are completely unafraid to abandon the middle to crash the line of scrimmage and/or cover the outside thirds.

If I am an opposing DC, I love that Tampa 2 look vs Texas. Shut down the flats and dare Texas to win the ball running the football or Quinn to find the holes 

[hookemATL 12228]

Might be a better idea for some of you to watch the game on delay/recorded so you can work through your emotions a bit better.  Lots of nits to pick in every fucking game we played, yet we seem to forget that the final home game of the year and B12CCG last season were our two best performances statistically of the year. 
 

it’s fine to be a miserable fuck (they abound on this board) but the whiney misanthropes that treat any negative play/outcome as definitive of what the team is as a whole are such a fucking beating. We have a great (and flawed at times) team with an inside track to a top 4 seed.

[Hayduke 91]

3 minutes ago, hookemATL said:

Might be a better idea for some of you to watch the game on delay/recorded so you can work through your emotions a bit better.  Lots of nits to pick in every fucking game we played, yet we seem to forget that the final home game of the year and B12CCG last season were our two best performances statistically of the year. 
 

it’s fine to be a miserable fuck (they abound on this board) but the whiney misanthropes that treat any negative play/outcome as definitive of what the team is as a whole are such a fucking beating. We have a great (and flawed at times) team with an inside track to a top 4 seed.

End of last season (well, up until Washington) was pretty cathartic. Roared with joy in the living room multiple times ... more fun than I've had watching football in a long, long while. Tech game and Big XII championship were damned enjoyable.

[dcar00 14905]

still amazed that that PI wasn't called on that first half drive in the end zone.  DB wasn't ready at the snap.  got beat and just grabbed our WR with BOTH arms.  

just ridiculous effort to try to keep Ark in the game.

[Hayduke 91]

That was a bad one, but not horribly far off from what we've been seeing frequently.

I was more amazed that they waved off a couple of penalties against us, including the pass interference and the kick-catch interference. Good wave-offs on both of those, even though first looks did make both seem reasonable. Figured they'd never get turned over on the road -- maybe the refs are now afraid of our fans. 😁

[blutow 238]

29 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

If you need Vince Young to win the national championship, that's on your coaches and the rest of the roster.

Exactly.  A generational QB can make up for a lot of shortcomings and might carry a team to a title, but it's a stupic thing to count on if you are building for sustained success.  It's like buying lottery tickets as your retirement plan. 

 

Quin is the best QB we've had under center since Colt (by a big margin) and he's better than many QB's who have led their teams to titles in the last 20+ years.  More than good enough to win a title with the right team around him.  Maybe Arch will turn out to be better than Quin, but that's far from certain and it should not be a prerequisite to compete for championships.  

[Codaxx 6216]

26 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

still amazed that that PI wasn't called on that first half drive in the end zone.  DB wasn't ready at the snap.  got beat and just grabbed our WR with BOTH arms.  

just ridiculous effort to try to keep Ark in the game.

The were consist though and that is what matters. They let both teams play physical in pass coverage 

[Dahobbs 18192]

8 minutes ago, blutow said:

Exactly.  A generational QB can make up for a lot of shortcomings and might carry a team to a title, but it's a stupic thing to count on if you are building for sustained success.  It's like buying lottery tickets as your retirement plan. 

 

Quin is the best QB we've had under center since Colt (by a big margin) and he's better than many QB's who have led their teams to titles in the last 20+ years.  More than good enough to win a title with the right team around him.  Maybe Arch will turn out to be better than Quin, but that's far from certain and it should not be a prerequisite to compete for championships.  

Eh, more arm talent than any QB since. I'm not sure he is actually better college QB than a healthy David Ash or Sam Ehlinger. 

Edited November 17 by Dahobbs

[hookemATL 12228]

32 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Eh, more arm talent than any QB since. I'm not sure he is actually better college QB than a healthy David Ash or Sam Ehlinger. 

Yet those guys won both shit and fuck when it comes to skins on the wall. At least Quinn has a conf title and CFP berth. To go along with the greatest beatdown in RRS history (two if you count this year). Neither can be said for Ash or Sam. 

[Dahobbs 18192]

6 minutes ago, hookemATL said:

Yet those guys won both shit and fuck when it comes to skins on the wall. At least Quinn has a conf title and CFP berth. To go along with the greatest beatdown in RRS history (two if you count this year). Neither can be said for Ash or Sam. 

Quinn has had much better teams. Ash never really got the chance to to grow into the QB is was going to be. 

Don't get me wrong, Quinn is a good QB. And when he is on, he is one of the very best. He is just very inconsistent and I don't think is the same type of leader as someone like Sam. 

[Tex Long 4617]

1 hour ago, TrashMaster G said:

It's pronounced "man"

😁

It's closer to "mang" or maybe "main".

 

55 minutes ago, Hayduke said:

Not sure what I think about AI, though. Part of my reason for not looking things up myself is dealing with students and AI this weekend. Hell of a lot less fun than watching us beat the Hogs in Fayetteville.

AI isn't. Well... it is an artifice, but not intelligent. It's a propaganda tag for a conglomeration of hundreds, if not thousands, of programs that inspect parts of The gigantic library of data (which doesn't include everything, not just yet) and format responses. You've already discovered that the structure is incomplete and that it includes erroneous data. The real problem with it is that certain powers believe results are invariably correct, and act on them. GIGO. Caveat emptor.

 

28 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

still amazed that that PI wasn't called on that first half drive in the end zone.  DB wasn't ready at the snap.  got beat and just grabbed our WR with BOTH arms.  

just ridiculous effort to try to keep Ark in the game.

SEC is an entertainment juggernaut, and part of the refs' job is to keep it entertaining. We have been used to XII refs making calls that are - or appear to be - prejudiced against us, for various reasons, many of which were appallingly - sorry, uphaulingly - stupid. Earlier this year, we watched (well, some of us did) SEC refs hand a game to LSU, over South Carolina. Conventional wisdom has been to blame such on incompetence, rather than intent. Sometimes it looks like the W is in the script for the season, and the refs are making sure the outcome goes that way.

 

1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

The were consist though and that is what matters. They let both teams play physical in pass coverage 

My first rule of officiating is "Don't call what you don't see" and the second is "Don't try to make up for it, when you blow a call". Third is "Be consistent'. 

One of the most aggravating reffing things is seeing them call "foul" on something that has no effect on the play or a player. Recently one of the Talking Heads mentioned that a SEC ref had told him they were told, by league office, not to call fouls "away from the play" unless they were really bad. I've noticed that SEC refs tend that way, and that at least some of the coaches begin games by seeing how much they can do without getting called. I always thought Saban was good at that.

 

[Had Enough 2108]

21 minutes ago, blutow said:

 

Quin is the best QB we've had under center since Colt (by a big margin) and he's better than many QB's who have led their teams to titles in the last 20+ years. 

Better than Sam by a large margin?  Based on what?

On occasion.  Sam carried his team.  On occasion Sam led his team down the field against all odds late in games.  

Sark versus Herman? Who had better WRs?  Better backs?  Better Oline?  I mean I guess freshman Bijan was close to junior Bijan.

There are few, very few QBs that have played with as much talent offensively as Ewers.  In the history of college football.  There’s certainly no Texas QB that can say that.

We will never know but Beuchele probably takes last years team and this years to a pretty high level.

It’s difficult to compare across teams because culture/environment, schemes, teammates vary and often greatly.  I’m 100% certain that Ewers has the best, most conducive surroundings in my lifetime.

[Huckleberry 34407]

Rewatching the 4th quarter right now. The deep curl to Bond on the first play of our 4Q touchdown drive needs to be a bigger part of our offense moving forward. That will eat up the three high safety zone looks that we struggle against. Combine that with a 10 yard cross from the other side to occupy the middle hook LBs and it will be open against that look every time. 

Make it an option route if Bond reads cover 2 he can make it a deep out. If it's man then he's clearing for the crossing route. 

[TrashMaster G 18030]

1 hour ago, Hayduke said:

That was a bad one, but not horribly far off from what we've been seeing frequently.

I was more amazed that they waved off a couple of penalties against us, including the pass interference and the kick-catch interference. Good wave-offs on both of those, even though first looks did make both seem reasonable. Figured they'd never get turned over on the road -- maybe the refs are now afraid of our fans. 😁

I was really pleased with the way the crew handled those calls, conferring and then waving them off. That is what good officiating looks like. 

[Majorcholas 557]

Jahdae Barron ‘28 for president. (No CR)