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11 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

trumps ego can only take so much

once fox news picks up on musk being the real power, much richer, and much more successful than trump it's all over 

But for whom? For all we know, Elon cloned some of Trump's cells and has grown a living Trump mask that he dons and practices talking through in the mirror.

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This “let Elon run the world” thing is going fucking GREAT. Two days ago, he wholeheartedly endorses the new German Nazi party, AfD:
“"The traditional political parties in Germany have utterly failed the people," he wrote in another post. "AfD is the only hope for Germany.””

Less than 48 hours later: https://apnews.com/article/germany-christmas-market-attack-magdeburg-taleb-31987cebcd72ab6781da2edf15dc6538

Attack on a Christmas market. 5 dead. 200 injured. Attack by whom? The suspect:

“On social media, he appeared to have expressed anti-Islam views and support for the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD).”
Fucking apartheid Nazi endorses new Nazi party, feeds anti-immigrant rage, sympathizer of new Nazi party promptly murders innocents in act of rage. Elon is a stochastic terrorist.
Elon Musk is the most dangerous man on the planet, and is pure evil.

Oh, my daughter is presently at a Christmas market just a couple of hours away from the site of Elon’s stochastic terrorist attack. She messaged us to let us know that security is MUCH higher than it was when she hit the market Tuesday night. And people are a bit on edge.
Gotta love this timeline. Yall Elon stans, keep supporting an open and proud stochastic terrorist. Know that you stand with the terrorists. And know that we see you.

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On 12/20/2024 at 8:09 PM, Bookman said:

Trump probably sucks Elon's cock every night because Elon is a successful businessman and Trump knows he will never be that. 

 

14 hours ago, Pasken said:

Trump can’t get rid of musk without Putin’s blessing so he’ll tolerate it forever. They are both under the thumb of the same mobster.

I haven't read much about this stuff since the election, only just enough to get a FAFO chuckle out of what the US electorate announced they were good with. A thought does occur to me.

Is it possible that Mush has bought all of Trump's debt that was available, legal and nefarious? Might this make Musk co-owner of Trump with Vlad?

Trump hates sharing a stage. If Elon persists in crowding him, there will have to be a reason for it.

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2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

 

I haven't read much about this stuff since the election, only just enough to get a FAFO chuckle out of what the US electorate announced they were good with. A thought does occur to me.

Is it possible that Mush has bought all of Trump's debt that was available, legal and nefarious? Might this make Musk co-owner of Trump with Vlad?

Trump hates sharing a stage. If Elon persists in crowding him, there will have to be a reason for it.

Musk didn't buy shit. Musk ain't that rich. He's just leveraged which is why he's liquid and the rest of his money is on paper. The world's richest list is always just who has the most money in corporations. Putin  probably was the richest man in the world and then followed by a bunch of dudes in the middle east. Elon owes Putin money as does trump and right now, Musk is the favorite. Really, it's much easier to visualize the power dynamics in terms of organized crime because that's what it is. 

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6 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Perhaps the greatest metaphor ever.

 

 

 

Don’t look now, but bots are popping up on Reddit to blame this on “liberal terrorists.” The assholes are looking for their Reichstag Fire. 

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it's still hilarious to me they called those abominations Cybertrucks. I cut my teeth in the dial up age and 'cyber' meant (and still means) something else completely. kinda fitting, though, if you think about it

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What could possibly go wrong.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/12/us/politics/elon-musk-doge-government-trump.html?rsrc=ss&unlocked_article_code=1.ok4.yWxB.UHq9_1DNTQw_&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&tgrp=on

 

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An unpaid group of billionaires, tech executives and some disciples of Peter Thiel, a powerful Republican donor, are preparing to take up unofficial positions in the U.S. government in the name of cost-cutting.

As President-elect Donald J. Trump’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency girds for battle against “wasteful” spending, it is preparing to dispatch individuals with ties to its co-leaders, Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, to agencies across the federal government.

 

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After Inauguration Day, the group of Silicon Valley-inflected, wide-eyed recruits will be deployed to Washington’s alphabet soup of agencies. The goal is for most major agencies to eventually have two DOGE representatives as they seek to cut costs like Mr. Musk did at X, his social media platform.

This story is based on interviews with roughly a dozen people who have insight into DOGE’s operations. They spoke to The Times on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

 

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On the eve of Mr. Trump’s presidency, the structure of DOGE is still amorphous and closely held. People involved in the operation say that secrecy and avoiding leaks is paramount, and much of its communication is conducted on Signal, the encrypted messaging app.

Mr. Trump has said the effort would drive “drastic change,” and that the entity would provide outside advice on how to cut wasteful spending. DOGE itself will have no power to cut spending — that authority rests with Congress. Instead, it is expected to provide recommendations for programs and other areas to cut.

 

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But parts of the operation are becoming clear: Many of the executives involved are expecting to do six-month voluntary stints inside the federal government before returning to their high-paying jobs. Mr. Musk has said they will not be paid — a nonstarter for some originally interested tech executives — and have been asked by him to work 80-hour weeks. Some, including possibly Mr. Musk, will be so-called special government employees, a specific category of temporary workers who can only work for the federal government for 130 days or less in a 365-day period.

The representatives will largely be stationed inside federal agencies. After some consideration by top officials, DOGE itself is now unlikely to incorporate as an organized outside entity or nonprofit. Instead, it is likely to exist as more of a brand for an interlinked group of aspirational leaders who are on joint group chats and share a loyalty to Mr. Musk or Mr. Ramaswamy.

“The cynics among us will say, ‘Oh, it’s naïve billionaires stepping into the fray.’ But the other side will say this is a service to the nation that we saw more typically around the founding of the nation,” said Trevor Traina, an entrepreneur who worked in the first Trump administration with associates who have considered joining DOGE.

“The friends I know have huge lives,” Mr. Traina said, “and they’re agreeing to work for free for six months, and leave their families and roll up their sleeves in an attempt to really turn things around. You can view it either way.”

DOGE leaders have told others that the minority of people not detailed to agencies would be housed within the Executive Office of the President at the U.S. Digital Service, which was created in 2014 by former President Barack Obama to “change our government’s approach to technology.”

DOGE is also expected to have an office in the Office of Management and Budget, and officials have also considered forming a think tank outside the government in the future.

Mr. Musk’s friends have been intimately involved in choosing people who are set to be deployed to various agencies. Those who have conducted interviews for DOGE include the Silicon Valley investors Marc Andreessen, Shaun Maguire, Baris Akis and others who have a personal connection to Mr. Musk. Some who have received the Thiel Fellowship, a prestigious grant funded by Mr. Thiel given to those who promise to skip or drop out of college to become entrepreneurs, are involved with programming and operations for DOGE. Brokering an introduction to Mr. Musk or Mr. Ramaswamy, or their inner circles, has been a key way for leaders to be picked for deployment.

That is how the co-founder of Loom, Vinay Hiremath, said he became involved in DOGE in a rare public statement from someone who worked with the entity. In a post this month on his personal blog, Mr. Hiremath described the work that DOGE employees have been doing before he decided against moving to Washington to join the entity.

“After 8 calls with people who all talked fast and sounded very smart, I was added to a number of Signal groups and immediately put to work,” he wrote. “The next 4 weeks of my life consisted of 100s of calls recruiting the smartest people I’ve ever talked to, working on various projects I’m definitely not able to talk about, and learning how completely dysfunctional the government was. It was a blast.”

These recruits are assigned to specific agencies where they are thought to have expertise. Some other DOGE enrollees have come to the attention of Mr. Musk and Mr. Ramaswamy through X. In recent weeks, DOGE’s account on X has posted requests to recruit a “very small number” of full-time salaried positions for engineers and back-office functions like human resources.

The DOGE team, including those paid engineers, is largely working out of a glass building in SpaceX’s downtown office located a few blocks from the White House. Some people close to Mr. Ramaswamy and Mr. Musk hope that these DOGE engineers can use artificial intelligence to find cost-cutting opportunities.

The broader effort is being run by two people with starkly different backgrounds: One is Brad Smith, a health care entrepreneur and former top health official in Mr. Trump’s first White House who is close with Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law. Mr. Smith has effectively been running DOGE during the transition period, with a particular focus on recruiting, especially for the workers who will be embedded at the agencies.

Mr. Smith has been working closely with Steve Davis, a collaborator of Mr. Musk’s for two decades who is widely seen as working as Mr. Musk’s proxy on all things. Mr. Davis has joined Mr. Musk as he calls experts with questions about the federal budget, for instance.

Other people involved include Matt Luby, Mr. Ramaswamy’s chief of staff and childhood friend; Joanna Wischer, a Trump campaign official; and Rachel Riley, a McKinsey partner who works closely with Mr. Smith.

Mr. Musk’s personal counsel — Chris Gober — and Mr. Ramaswamy’s personal lawyer — Steve Roberts — have been exploring various legal issues regarding the structure of DOGE. James Burnham, a former Justice Department official, is also helping DOGE with legal matters. Bill McGinley, Mr. Trump’s initial pick for White House counsel who was instead named as legal counsel for DOGE, has played a more minimal role.

“DOGE will be a cornerstone of the new administration, helping President Trump deliver his vision of a new golden era,” said James Fishback, the founder of Azoria, an investment firm, and confidant of Mr. Ramaswamy who will be providing outside advice for DOGE.

Despite all this firepower, many budget experts have been deeply skeptical about the effort and its cost-cutting ambitions. Mr. Musk initially said the effort could result in “at least $2 trillion” in cuts from the $6.75 trillion federal budget. But budget experts say that goal would be difficult to achieve without slashing popular programs like Social Security and Medicare, which Mr. Trump has promised not to cut.

Both Mr. Musk and Mr. Ramaswamy have also recast what success might mean. Mr. Ramaswamy emphasized DOGE-led deregulation on X last month, saying that removing regulations could stimulate the economy and that “the success of DOGE can’t be measured through deficit reduction alone.”

And in an interview last week with Mark Penn, the chairman and chief executive of Stagwell, a marketing company, Mr. Musk downplayed the total potential savings.

“We’ll try for $2 trillion — I think that’s like the best-case outcome,” Mr. Musk said. “You kind of have to have some overage. I think if we try for two trillion, we’ve got a good shot at getting one.”

 

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34 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Real question:  Is Bannon much of a thing in maga world anymore?  I mean, tfg rejected him, and I havent' seen them sidling up to one another?  

In short, how likely is this to really happen?  Seems highly unlikely to me.  TFG is going with the guy with more money 100 out of 100 times..

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1 hour ago, Horn Dogg said:

Lol. Musk going after his ai competition and torpedoing Trump's ai initiative. I can see Trump's other acolytes ganging up to eliminate Musk, much as Himmler, Goebbels and Goering took out SA leader Ernst Rohm in the Night of Long Knives.    

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https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/23/trump-staff-musk-conflict-00200311

 

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Some of President Donald Trump’s key aides and allies are furious with Elon Musk for publicly trashing his $500 billion artificial intelligence mega-deal.

A White House official said Musk “very much” got over his skis when the tech tycoon launched a daylong screed against the AI project. One Trump ally said Musk abused his closeness to the president. Another Republican close to the White House went further, saying Trump’s staff is “furious” over Musk using his massive social media platform to pour cold water on the infrastructure deal that Trump called “tremendous” and “monumental” just a day prior.

 

 

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“It’s clear he has abused the proximity to the president,” said the Trump ally. “The problem is the president doesn’t have any leverage over him and Elon gives zero fucks.”

It is highly unusual for a senior adviser — Musk — to criticize a president’s initiatives in public, and his broadsides renewed speculation within GOP circles about whether he and Trump will eventually have a falling-out. Musk has had seemingly unparalleled access to Trump during the transition since he parked himself at Trump’s side in Mar-a-Lago and heads Trump’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency.

 

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Trump proved in his first term that he has a high tolerance for internal dissent within his White House. But his 2024 campaign, led by now White House chief-of-staff Susie Wiles and Chris LaCivita, was praised by Republicans for its limited leaks and relative lack of drama spilling out into the public.

After Trump won the election, some of his allies were perturbed by Musk’s access and hoped that he would have more physical distance once the president took office. It is unclear exactly how much time Musk has spent with Trump since the inauguration, but Musk said that he was in the Oval Office on Tuesday and he has reportedly been working out of the West Wing this week.

 

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“We are now working with him to make sense of his ideas — ideas are innovative. Execution not so much,” said the White House official, who said that West Wing staffers are still hearing out Musk about his concerns over AI.

The people interviewed for this story were granted anonymity to speak freely about the sensitive issue.

The White House and Musk did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Musk, who owns his own AI startup, was not at Trump’s unveiling of “Stargate,” an effort to supercharge the country’s AI infrastructure featuring the tech giants OpenAI, Softbank and Oracle. Musk, who co-founded OpenAI, has long been critical of its CEO Sam Altman and spent much of Wednesday trolling him online. “They don’t actually have the money,” he said. Softbank, meanwhile, “has well under $10B secured. I have that on good authority.”

But Trump, when asked by reporters about Musk blasting the deal, said they were “putting up the money.”

“The government’s not putting up anything. They’re putting up money. They’re very rich people, so I hope they do,” Trump said. “And, I mean, Elon doesn’t like one of those people.”

Trump said it did not bother him that Musk criticized the deal, saying, “No, it doesn’t. He hates one of the people in the deal.”

In an earlier interview on Fox News, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt did not mention Musk by name when asked about his diatribe about the AI project. But she said that “the American people should take President Trump and those CEOs’ words for it,” and that “these investments are coming to our great country, and American jobs are coming along with them.”

Musk seems to favor another AI investor, saying Microsoft’s Satya Nadella “definitely does have the money.

Musk even reposted a joke that suggested Altman and his team smoked crack “to come up with their $500 billion number for Stargate.”

Altman shot back at Musk on X: “i realize what is great for the country isn’t always what’s optimal for your companies, but in your new role i hope you’ll mostly put 🇺🇸 first.”

Musk’s denunciation of the project prompted Trump’s ex-aides and allies to call for a new approach to the billionaire. Steve Bannon, the former top Trump aide who has feuded with Musk, told POLITICO that Wiles needed to “sit him down” and “sort it out immediately.”

 

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31 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/23/trump-staff-musk-conflict-00200311

 

 

 

 

 

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“We are now working with him to make sense of his ideas — ideas are innovative. Execution not so much,” said the White House official, who said that West Wing staffers are still hearing out Musk about his concerns over AI.

The people interviewed for this story were granted anonymity to speak freely about the sensitive issue.

The White House and Musk did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Musk, who owns his own AI startup, was not at Trump’s unveiling of “Stargate,” an effort to supercharge the country’s AI infrastructure featuring the tech giants OpenAI, Softbank and Oracle. Musk, who co-founded OpenAI, has long been critical of its CEO Sam Altman and spent much of Wednesday trolling him online. “They don’t actually have the money,” he said. Softbank, meanwhile, “has well under $10B secured. I have that on good authority.”

But Trump, when asked by reporters about Musk blasting the deal, said they were “putting up the money.”

“The government’s not putting up anything. They’re putting up money. They’re very rich people, so I hope they do,” Trump said. “And, I mean, Elon doesn’t like one of those people.”

Trump said it did not bother him that Musk criticized the deal, saying, “No, it doesn’t. He hates one of the people in the deal.”

In an earlier interview on Fox News, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt did not mention Musk by name when asked about his diatribe about the AI project. But she said that “the American people should take President Trump and those CEOs’ words for it,” and that “these investments are coming to our great country, and American jobs are coming along with them.”

Musk seems to favor another AI investor, saying Microsoft’s Satya Nadella “definitely does have the money.

Musk even reposted a joke that suggested Altman and his team smoked crack “to come up with their $500 billion number for Stargate.”

Altman shot back at Musk on X: “i realize what is great for the country isn’t always what’s optimal for your companies, but in your new role i hope you’ll mostly put 🇺🇸 first.”

Musk’s denunciation of the project prompted Trump’s ex-aides and allies to call for a new approach to the billionaire. Steve Bannon, the former top Trump aide who has feuded with Musk, told POLITICO that Wiles needed to “sit him down” and “sort it out immediately.”

 

The adults are definitely in charge this time. @realgreggym

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On 1/22/2025 at 3:48 PM, TreatyOak said:

Lol. Musk going after his ai competition and torpedoing Trump's ai initiative. I can see Trump's other acolytes ganging up to eliminate Musk, much as Himmler, Goebbels and Goering took out SA leader Ernst Rohm in the Night of Long Knives.    

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