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39 minutes ago, NoName said:

35 million buyout if fired in 2025, but monthly not lump sum Sumlin style. Fully guaranteed contract and buyout would be more reasonable. 

Plus another say 15-20m to buy out a coach. Another 10m for staff.

So that's say 30m next year plus whatever they are paying BV.

That's a LOT of money.

It is a lot of money, but people won’t take losing like this for long. If he takes a job it will go away. And like you said it’s not paid up front. 

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5 minutes ago, Pdawg88 said:

It is a lot of money, but people won’t take losing like this for long. If he takes a job it will go away. And like you said it’s not paid up front. 

Heh Joe C is a million times better AD than whatever shitstain signed Jimbo

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Riley was a good hire. Bit them in the ass j. in the end though. He’s made a bunch of good other hires and retained Gasso. Krueger took basketball to a final 4. Skip Johnson got baseball to the finals. Men’s golf is a juggernaut. Gymnastics is the best in the country. Women’s basketball was a good hire.
 

he’s had notable misses though. Especially lately. Venables and Moser aren’t the guys. Those are the revenue makers.

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47 minutes ago, ocugolf said:

Riley was a good hire. Bit them in the ass j. in the end though. He’s made a bunch of good other hires and retained Gasso. Krueger took basketball to a final 4. Skip Johnson got baseball to the finals. Men’s golf is a juggernaut. Gymnastics is the best in the country. Women’s basketball was a good hire.
 

he’s had notable misses though. Especially lately. Venables and Moser aren’t the guys. Those are the revenue makers.

It is?  They have one title in the last 35 years and it was in 2017.

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1 hour ago, Texas Wahoo said:

It is?  They have one title in the last 35 years and it was in 2017.

Since Hybl took over, yes. One title, lost in the finals one year, made match play almost every year. A constant top 5 team would be considered a juggernaut to me. Maybe juggernaut is too strong. How about really good.

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4 hours ago, NoName said:

35 million buyout if fired in 2025, but monthly not lump sum Sumlin style. Fully guaranteed contract and buyout would be more reasonable. 

Plus another say 15-20m to buy out a coach. Another 10m for staff.

So that's say 30m next year plus whatever they are paying BV.

That's a LOT of money.

I don't understand your numbers. Regardless, it's a big amount.

Where's the 15-20m to buy out a coach coming from? What assistant has that kind of buyout?

How many of the assistants currently on staff have a guaranteed contract, and for how long? I don't know the answer. But I'd be shocked if it's all of them. Sure, 10m to pay for the next staff. But the current staff is already getting paid some amount. That seems like a wash to me. 

I'd think the total amount is closer to $40m, paid out in installments, to get rid of the current staff. Then the salary of the next head coach would be less than what Venables is getting paid on his extension. 

It's still a lot of money for an athletic department that has some pretty big gut checks in the new college football environment, so I'm not trying to be dismissive of the difficulty of firing him. 

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On 2/28/2025 at 4:36 PM, NoName said:

That's fucking dumb.

Five seasons ago OU went 9-2, won the conference, won the Sugar Bowl and finished #6 in the AP poll

Four seasons ago they went 11-2 and finished #10 in the AP poll.

OU has been lost since they drank the Kool Aid about how shitty Lincoln Riley was and that the secret sauce at OU was the culture. Then believed they could bring back a guy who had NEVER been a head coach, who put together a staff only slightly better than Charlie Strong did at Texas, then signed him to an extention and now are in the wilderness until they can raise enough to make him go away and bring in someone who is actually good.

4-5 years?! Fuck off.

Yes, but did you beat Notre Dame with a regard head coach?

Charlie Strong > Bert Venables

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On 3/1/2025 at 9:38 PM, Pdawg88 said:

He’s made one good hire and that was Stoops. 

You left a giant name off that list, you know, the guy with the highest overall winning percentage of any coach in the history of the OU football program?

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On 3/1/2025 at 6:37 PM, Pdawg88 said:

8 wins? You can’t be serious! 

I detect some sarcasm here but I suspect few of us Texas fans have seen Mateer play.  He is good.  Going from pure suck to good at QB makes all the difference in the world in CFB.  If they don't win 8 he should and will be fired.

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14 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

I detect some sarcasm here but I suspect few of us Texas fans have seen Mateer play.  He is good.  Going from pure suck to good at QB makes all the difference in the world in CFB.  If they don't win 8 he should and will be fired.

I was being serious with 8-5. Mateer is a good dual threat guy. They return most of their OL. WR/TE will likely be mediocre and the backs are fine. The offense could go back to being somewhat above average. 

Defensively, they lose 3 of their best players but they have talent. The DL will be good. The back 7 is sketchier but I’m sure Venables will figure it out. 

The schedule is tough. Ceiling looks like 9-4 and the floor looks like 6-7. I’m going with 8-5. If there’s big movement in the second window either way, my view is subject to change. 

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29 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

I detect some sarcasm here but I suspect few of us Texas fans have seen Mateer play.  He is good.  Going from pure suck to good at QB makes all the difference in the world in CFB.  If they don't win 8 he should and will be fired.

Not at all. The schedule is harder than it was this year. We are replacing both coordinators, and QB. I don’t have any idea how good Mateer is going to be, no one really does. Trust me I hope we run the table and beat Texas by 175 points. But I’m a realist and just do not see it. I would love to see you and @closetojumping run down our schedule and point out wins and loses. 

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48 minutes ago, NoName said:

You left a giant name off that list, you know, the guy with the highest overall winning percentage of any coach in the history of the OU football program?

He wasn’t hired, he was promoted. 

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1 hour ago, Pdawg88 said:

Not at all. The schedule is harder than it was this year. We are replacing both coordinators, and QB. I don’t have any idea how good Mateer is going to be, no one really does. Trust me I hope we run the table and beat Texas by 175 points. But I’m a realist and just do not see it. I would love to see you and @closetojumping run down our schedule and point out wins and loses. 

I'll play*, but I'm an "aggregate record" guy when it comes to this stuff. I won money on the 2024 sooners by taking the under of 7.5 wins. I didn't know where 6+ losses were coming from, but I didn't like the schedule and I made fun of the OC and QB spots actively on this site long before the season started. I sure as hell didn't see OU blowing out Bama, though. 

Spoilered schedule thoughts below:

Spoiler

Illinois State - shitty FCS scrimmage that will teach nothing to all of us. OU is one of the great frontrunning programs of the 2000s. It's almost uncanny how quickly OU, irrespective of genuine team quality, can sprint out to a 3-0/4-0 record with massive blowouts of really shitty teams before running into a brick wall. Sometimes they've been good enough to run through the wall, such as 2000-2010 era, mostly, and then other times, like 2022 and 2024, nope. (OU 1-0)

Michigan - Michigan will likely be playing the Fresno St transfer at QB for this game. He's nothing special. Doubt Underwood will be ready. Michigan lost 2 of their best OLs, Loveland, Mullings and Edwards on offense. They've done a poor job recruiting and developing at WR and their new TE is not Loveland. OU's defense is good enough to hold this unit to 20 or less. Can OU score 21 or more at home? I think so, largely because the losses on Michigan's defense - Grant/Graham/Stewart/Johnson + 3 other starters in the secondary are a lot in both quantity and quality. (OU 2-0)

@Temple - Temple is a dumpster fire with a new coach. Fun road game for masochists. I've been to most of the major cities in the US and plenty of others in other western countries. I despise Philly the most. That is the most miserable pack of losers I've ever encountered. Seems like people are just permanently pissed off there. Also, Comcast can blow me. (OU 3-0)

Auburn - The Jackson Arnold Bowl of Vengeance. I think Arnold will be better playing for Freeze's offense because I think Freeze is a better OC. Also, Auburn has a stud WR unit and returns their entire OL. Auburn loses a bunch on defense, but that's addition by subtraction. They've brought in talent and some of it has to be developing, right? I like Auburn on the road. (OU 3-1)

BYE

Kent State - Another joke of an opponent in the non-con and little more than a glorified scrimmage. (OU 4-1)

Texas (neutral) - Texas' floor is above OU's ceiling right now in terms of talent on roster. The recruiting advantage gap is really fucking wide at this point. Not only that, this Texas regime is clearly developing their talent with a high hit rate. It's a brutal rivalry. I'm not predicting a blowout, but I do think Texas is too competent and talented to lose in this one. (OU 4-2)

@South Carolina - Sellers is going to be a Heisman favorite. If he can stay healthy, he's going to be really good. Unfortunately for SCar, the rest of the offense lost a lot of guys and doesn't possess a ton of supporting and returning talent. Defensively, things go from bad to worse for SCar. They return Simpson and some transfers who've done little elsewhere but have a recruiting pedigree like GBD. They lose multiple early round picks and 9 of 11 starters. SCar is extremely overrated in the preseason early rankings, usually around 10. This is because they have a sensational player on each side of the ball, and those guys are household names for CFB fans. I like OU in this match-up because they'll limit Sellers with spies and OU's OL maturity will be able to handle a rebuilt front 7 from SCar. The SC front was the strength of the team last year. I doubt SC is even ranked by the time this game is played. (OU 5-2)

Ole Miss - Ole Miss is my pick for this season's version of FSU 2024. They lose basically everyone on both sides of the ball, including many early round picks. They're trying to replace all of that talent with transfers and youth. I expect them to be the butt of numerous jokes, particularly because everybody wants to get their shot in on Kiffin, and I will be laughing along with everyone else. It is at this mark that OU supporters and talking heads like Dari Nowkhah and Dusty Dvoracek start feeling their oats in the media and hyping OU up as a "team nobody wants to play". (OU 6-2).

@Tennessee - I think Iamaleava is overrated, and bizarrely so. He'll have new guys at TB, WR, and TE, along with breaking in several new OLs, too. I expect the Tenn offense to pretty much suck, even though Heupel is a good offensive mind. Their defense lost it's strength, the front 4. They bring most of the back 7 back. I think this will be low scoring and I think Tenn at home is too much. Rock fight. (OU 6-3)

BYE

@Alabama - Suddenly everyone is selling Bama. They're going to be damned good, especially on offense. If Simpson can handle the starting QB spot, he's set up well around him. Bama returns a stud WR corps led by Williams, Jam Miller at TB, most of the OL, and Cuevas at TE. Daboer knows how to put an offense together. The defense is shakier, losing numerous draft picks. They secondary looks weak and they're not producing DLs the way they were. Talent-wise, the Bama floor is above the OU ceiling. (OU 6-4)

MIssouri - Mizzou is in total rebuild mode at the offensive skill spots. Maybe Pribula is the balls, but he's an unknown as a passer as yet. Defensively, Missouri brings back a bunch of guys named Bob. They're not rebuilding, but they're not scaring anyone either. (OU 7-4)

@LSU - LSU's offensive skill positions are mostly loaded. Their TE spot is weak, but Durham, Nussmeier, Barion Brown, Nic Anderson, the other Anderson, etc., are substantial. The OL, which underperformed expectations last year, is a rebuild. Losing numerous draft picks from an OL will yield some pain, as I suspect we'll also be finding out. Not good against an OU defensive front that will be well above average. The defense gets some transfers that didn't live up to expectations elsewhere, plus Harold Perkins. Perkins will no doubt go off against Arkansas and then do mostly jack shit the rest of the season while he's lauded as a gamechanger. Death Valley, probably at night, is going to suck for the okies. (OU 7-5)

Bowl - Venables and crew figure out a way to beat some also-ran G6 team in a bowl game only addicts tune in to watch. (OU 8-5)

I don't think the schedule is nearly as brutal as advertised, but I'm not calling it weak. I just think that 3 of the OOC games are jokes; that Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Missouri are seriously overrared heading into 2025. Michigan, Texas, Bama and LSU will all be good to great, for sure. 

*Impact of the second portal is completely unknowable for all teams right now, therefore my outlook could be completely different come May. 

 

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Posted
13 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

8-5 and keeping venables is a dream scenario. Let them stay on that treadmill of average/shitty for years

100%. Best case scenario is for OU to tread water in their current state as long as possible.

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They actually have a ton of experience on the team this year, I think we could be looking at a solid year in 2025 followed by a cratering in 2026. They haven't exactly had a bunch of guys flashing in the 24/25 classes, aside from the big DL from IMG and I guess the younger Bowen. 

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9 minutes ago, Jimmy Two Times said:

They actually have a ton of experience on the team this year, I think we could be looking at a solid year in 2025 followed by a cratering in 2026. They haven't exactly had a bunch of guys flashing in the 24/25 classes, aside from the big DL from IMG and I guess the younger Bowen. 

Might be worth mentioning the freshman all american Jayden Jackson. 

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

I'll play*, but I'm an "aggregate record" guy when it comes to this stuff. I won money on the 2024 sooners by taking the under of 7.5 wins. I didn't know where 6+ losses were coming from, but I didn't like the schedule and I made fun of the OC and QB spots actively on this site long before the season started. I sure as hell didn't see OU blowing out Bama, though. 

Spoilered schedule thoughts below:

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Illinois State - shitty FCS scrimmage that will teach nothing to all of us. OU is one of the great frontrunning programs of the 2000s. It's almost uncanny how quickly OU, irrespective of genuine team quality, can sprint out to a 3-0/4-0 record with massive blowouts of really shitty teams before running into a brick wall. Sometimes they've been good enough to run through the wall, such as 2000-2010 era, mostly, and then other times, like 2022 and 2024, nope. (OU 1-0)

Michigan - Michigan will likely be playing the Fresno St transfer at QB for this game. He's nothing special. Doubt Underwood will be ready. Michigan lost 2 of their best OLs, Loveland, Mullings and Edwards on offense. They've done a poor job recruiting and developing at WR and their new TE is not Loveland. OU's defense is good enough to hold this unit to 20 or less. Can OU score 21 or more at home? I think so, largely because the losses on Michigan's defense - Grant/Graham/Stewart/Johnson + 3 other starters in the secondary are a lot in both quantity and quality. (OU 2-0)

@Temple - Temple is a dumpster fire with a new coach. Fun road game for masochists. I've been to most of the major cities in the US and plenty of others in other western countries. I despise Philly the most. That is the most miserable pack of losers I've ever encountered. Seems like people are just permanently pissed off there. Also, Comcast can blow me. (OU 3-0)

Auburn - The Jackson Arnold Bowl of Vengeance. I think Arnold will be better playing for Freeze's offense because I think Freeze is a better OC. Also, Auburn has a stud WR unit and returns their entire OL. Auburn loses a bunch on defense, but that's addition by subtraction. They've brought in talent and some of it has to be developing, right? I like Auburn on the road. (OU 3-1)

BYE

Kent State - Another joke of an opponent in the non-con and little more than a glorified scrimmage. (OU 4-1)

Texas (neutral) - Texas' floor is above OU's ceiling right now in terms of talent on roster. The recruiting advantage gap is really fucking wide at this point. Not only that, this Texas regime is clearly developing their talent with a high hit rate. It's a brutal rivalry. I'm not predicting a blowout, but I do think Texas is too competent and talented to lose in this one. (OU 4-2)

@South Carolina - Sellers is going to be a Heisman favorite. If he can stay healthy, he's going to be really good. Unfortunately for SCar, the rest of the offense lost a lot of guys and doesn't possess a ton of supporting and returning talent. Defensively, things go from bad to worse for SCar. They return Simpson and some transfers who've done little elsewhere but have a recruiting pedigree like GBD. They lose multiple early round picks and 9 of 11 starters. SCar is extremely overrated in the preseason early rankings, usually around 10. This is because they have a sensational player on each side of the ball, and those guys are household names for CFB fans. I like OU in this match-up because they'll limit Sellers with spies and OU's OL maturity will be able to handle a rebuilt front 7 from SCar. The SC front was the strength of the team last year. I doubt SC is even ranked by the time this game is played. (OU 5-2)

Ole Miss - Ole Miss is my pick for this season's version of FSU 2024. They lose basically everyone on both sides of the ball, including many early round picks. They're trying to replace all of that talent with transfers and youth. I expect them to be the butt of numerous jokes, particularly because everybody wants to get their shot in on Kiffin, and I will be laughing along with everyone else. It is at this mark that OU supporters and talking heads like Dari Nowkhah and Dusty Dvoracek start feeling their oats in the media and hyping OU up as a "team nobody wants to play". (OU 6-2).

@Tennessee - I think Iamaleava is overrated, and bizarrely so. He'll have new guys at TB, WR, and TE, along with breaking in several new OLs, too. I expect the Tenn offense to pretty much suck, even though Heupel is a good offensive mind. Their defense lost it's strength, the front 4. They bring most of the back 7 back. I think this will be low scoring and I think Tenn at home is too much. Rock fight. (OU 6-3)

BYE

@Alabama - Suddenly everyone is selling Bama. They're going to be damned good, especially on offense. If Simpson can handle the starting QB spot, he's set up well around him. Bama returns a stud WR corps led by Williams, Jam Miller at TB, most of the OL, and Cuevas at TE. Daboer knows how to put an offense together. The defense is shakier, losing numerous draft picks. They secondary looks weak and they're not producing DLs the way they were. Talent-wise, the Bama floor is above the OU ceiling. (OU 6-4)

MIssouri - Mizzou is in total rebuild mode at the offensive skill spots. Maybe Pribula is the balls, but he's an unknown as a passer as yet. Defensively, Missouri brings back a bunch of guys named Bob. They're not rebuilding, but they're not scaring anyone either. (OU 7-4)

@LSU - LSU's offensive skill positions are mostly loaded. Their TE spot is weak, but Durham, Nussmeier, Barion Brown, Nic Anderson, the other Anderson, etc., are substantial. The OL, which underperformed expectations last year, is a rebuild. Losing numerous draft picks from an OL will yield some pain, as I suspect we'll also be finding out. Not good against an OU defensive front that will be well above average. The defense gets some transfers that didn't live up to expectations elsewhere, plus Harold Perkins. Perkins will no doubt go off against Arkansas and then do mostly jack shit the rest of the season while he's lauded as a gamechanger. Death Valley, probably at night, is going to suck for the okies. (OU 7-5)

Bowl - Venables and crew figure out a way to beat some also-ran G6 team in a bowl game only addicts tune in to watch. (OU 8-5)

I don't think the schedule is nearly as brutal as advertised, but I'm not calling it weak. I just think that 3 of the OOC games are jokes; that Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Missouri are seriously overrared heading into 2025. Michigan, Texas, Bama and LSU will all be good to great, for sure. 

*Impact of the second portal is completely unknowable for all teams right now, therefore my outlook could be completely different come May. 

 

I think what your record is would be best case scenario. And this coaching staff is too stupid to do anything best case. He has to win 9 games not counting the bowl game to save his job in my opinion and we both know that’s just not happening. 

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Mostly agree with CTJ on the takes, but it wouldn't shock me to see OU have some trouble with Michigan. I don't think Michigan is very good, and I think Sherrone Moore is likely going to get shit canned sooner rather than later, but if the offense is a bad matchup against Michigan's defense, Michigan could muck it up into a 13-10 type of coin flip. Mateer is a good player who causes problems with his legs, but I am not sure he is going to be able to overcome multiple deficiencies on offense, which will be sorely needed against some good teams. 

Posted
33 minutes ago, Constant said:

Might be worth mentioning the freshman all american Jayden Jackson. 

I think that's who he meant. No one on this board thinks highly of David Stone and his alligator mouth. Let us know when that blowhard shows up and actually does something.

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17 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I think that's who he meant. No one on this board thinks highly of David Stone and his alligator mouth. Let us know when that blowhard shows up and actually does something.

Some of my son’s friends are pretty good friends with him from when he played pee-wee and middle school football. They all say he is a pretty good kid to be honest, but there is something about the alligator mouth. FIGJAM

Posted
1 hour ago, Constant said:

Might be worth mentioning the freshman all american Jayden Jackson. 

Sorry, I thought it was obvious i was referring to the big defensive lineman from IMG who was actually good last year. Point is, there isn't a ton of young talent flashing on your roster. 

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1 hour ago, Jimmy Two Times said:

Sorry, I thought it was obvious i was referring to the big defensive lineman from IMG who was actually good last year. Point is, there isn't a ton of young talent flashing on your roster. 

I actually forgot Jackson went to IMG as well. Thats how deep I’ve buried 2024 football. 

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