CEO of UHG Shot and Killed in NYC - WTF is wrong with you New York

[workswithseed 2204]

48 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

I'm actually both pro-pedophile and pro-tow truck.

What do you think about throwing rocks on overpasses? 

[SquishMitten 10496]

13 minutes ago, smuggs said:

Is it Gyllenhaal?

 

 

Ugh, that looks like a different jacket, but it’s definitely a different backpack. The shooter had grey or white backpack straps. This is starting to feel like the Boston marathon bombing where some random, innocent people are about to have their lives momentarily turned upside down 

[royiv 9773]

44 minutes ago, NoName said:

Not aimed directly at you, sorry. Just making this clear for non industry folks.

Let's not act like insurance companies are even anywhere close to the same boat as providers, hospitals, DMEs, EMR companies, transport companies, etc when it comes to the cost of healthcare, because they absolutely are not.

UHC made 32 billion last year in profit. Elevance and Cigna were over 7. Aetna was at 13.7. Humana was at 4. Cetene was at almost 3. 

For comparison, HCA as an entire company was at 5 and change for 2023. Tenet was at 1 and change. UHS was at 717 million. CHS lost money. Encompass was under a billion. Ascension lost 2.66 billion.

They aren't the same.

 

So much this. Insurance companies and pharma are primarily responsible for the high cost of healthcare in this country. Physician spend is a pittance in comparison. 

[smuggs 9397]

Disgruntled wife-banger? 

We need expert analysis from @Steel Shank

 

 

 

Edited December 5 by smuggs

[gsoda3 3362]

1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

anthem pre-approved a ct for me (that was clean) and then 3 months later i got a bill from baylor for $8k

anthem's reason?

I didn't use the closest provider

note there is nothing about in or out of network

the baylor cardiologst and the heart hospital where the machine is ARE IN ATTACHED BUILDNIGS

Surely that got cleared up pretty quickly...?

[Steel Shank 9552]

From the WSJ link on page 6:

 

Quote

He has also recently faced legal scrutiny. Thompson was one of three United executives named in a lawsuit from a Florida pension fund in May accusing the company of hiding a Justice Department antitrust investigation from shareholders while insiders sold stock—including $15 million in Thompson’s personally held shares. He hadn’t answered the claims in court before he was killed.

 

[Steel Shank 9552]

1 minute ago, smuggs said:

Disgruntled wife-banger? 

We need expert analysis from @Steel Shank

 

 

 

With extreme prejudice.

[mdmost 43948]

I wonder if a goal of every CEO is to be so hated that it's difficult to figure out just who wouldn't want to kill you for something?

[Incredulity 11874]

2 minutes ago, smuggs said:

Disgruntled wife-banger? 

We need expert analysis from @Steel Shank

 

 

 

the schnoz on the kid on the right kinda syncs with the masked photo.

I assume that's his kid?

[dcbc 14644]

14 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Well in good news, we are a totally healthy country that isn't getting any fatter or older so I'm sure healthcare coverage will be cheaper in the future.

 

 

Charlie Work, but Charlie can't read so he ended up on the train to Brookyln instead. Mac was next on the list to do it, but thought the perp was too good looking and fell in love instead and tried to stop Dennis along with Dee who thought it was a bad idea. Dennis had to do it himself in the end. Frank was hiding in the backpack for support. 

[royiv 9773]

31 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The govt programs (Medicare and Medicaid) only survive because commercially insured patients cover the real costs of doctors and hospitals. If we all switch to a govt system, the costs will go drastically up and/or care goes down.

someone like Bernie goes on how much people love Medicare but he never addresses the other side of the equation.

and I’m fine if we all switch to single payer if that is what we are agree about but realize that wait times will go up and care will go down. This type of system will negatively impact the vast majority. The poor and the wealthy will be the ones who benefit.

You’re making a big leap that single payer means that payments automatically go down to the floor currently set by CMS. Moving to single payer doesn’t mean that all current reimbursement methodologies are adopted. You’re spouting the insurance lobby talking points without putting any thought into how we might redirect dollars already in the healthcare system.

[Brian Fantana 6862]

38 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

and I’m fine if we all switch to single payer if that is what we are agree about but realize that wait times will go up and care will go down. This type of system will negatively impact the vast majority. The poor and the wealthy will be the ones who benefit.

Yeah man because our standards of care are so fucking far ahead of everyone else's. Shut the fuck up.

[crash_davis 23468]

 

https://www.asahq.org/about-asa/newsroom/news-releases/2024/11/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-will-not-pay-complete-duration-of-anesthesia-for-surgical-procedures

 

This dude is prob now in someone's list.

Edited December 5 by crash_davis

[royiv 9773]

Just now, crash_davis said:

 

https://www.asahq.org/about-asa/newsroom/news-releases/2024/11/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-will-not-pay-complete-duration-of-anesthesia-for-surgical-procedures

 

Poorly timed policy decision by Anthem. 

[Brisketexan 106874]

1 minute ago, royiv said:

Poorly timed policy decision by Anthem. 

They don't give a fuck.

They've never had to give a fuck.

So fuck everyone.

Except now....maybe some of those fellas will think "huh....maybe I need to give a fuck?"  Pathetic that it takes "or else I might be murdered" to get them to think "MAYBE I should give a fuck," but that's where we are as a society.

[royiv 9773]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

They don't give a fuck.

They've never had to give a fuck.

So fuck everyone.

Except now....maybe some of those fellas will think "huh....maybe I need to give a fuck?"  Pathetic that it takes "or else I might be murdered" to get them to think "MAYBE I should give a fuck," but that's where we are as a society.

It won’t make a shit. They’ll just hire private security instead of having even a moment of introspection.

[Hate 20247]

5 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

 

https://www.asahq.org/about-asa/newsroom/news-releases/2024/11/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-will-not-pay-complete-duration-of-anesthesia-for-surgical-procedures

 

This dude is prob now in someone's list.

Someone should absolutely murder him ASAP. 

[wong 26]

[Chad Fuck 18134]

3 minutes ago, royiv said:

It won’t make a shit. They’ll just hire private security instead of having even a moment of introspection.

100% this

[po elvis 2137]

19 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

Ugh, that looks like a different jacket, but it’s definitely a different backpack. The shooter had grey or white backpack straps. This is starting to feel like the Boston marathon bombing where some random, innocent people are about to have their lives momentarily turned upside down 

I’m with you. Looks like a different jacket as well. The shooter I believe had a pullover that looks like had no pockets (might just not see them in pic). This guy looks like has a zip up or button up.

I read that they found a water bottle and candy bar wrapper at the scene they think belonged to the shooter. I have always wondered when criminals were going to start planting other’s dna at crime scenes. I can’t imagine if these were his that they would be anything other than for the purpose of planting false evidence. No way this guy dropped these things with his fingerprints or dna on them.

[Bill Brasky 1622]

30 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

What do you think about throwing rocks on overpasses? 

as long as it hits the CEO's of health insurance companies I'm okay with it 

[Anastasis 23716]

17 minutes ago, royiv said:

So much this. Insurance companies and pharma are primarily responsible for the high cost of healthcare in this country. Physician spend is a pittance in comparison. 

Total healthcare expenditures in this country break down at something like facilities/hospitals 30%, physician and clinical services 20%, drug spend 10%, benefit administrative costs including both public and private coverage 7.5%. 

[Bill Brasky 1622]

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

The worst part was the hypocrisy

 

[Hate 20247]

Can we get a matrix on agreeable reasons to murder a CEO? Can it also be applied to other C-suite execs? 

[Al Czervik 1261]

16 minutes ago, Hate said:

Someone should absolutely murder him ASAP. 

User name checks out. 

[Captainant 28508]

9 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Total healthcare expenditures in this country break down at something like facilities/hospitals 30%, physician and clinical services 20%, drug spend 10%, benefit administrative costs including both public and private coverage 7.5%. 

The remaining 32.5%? Puuuuuuuure sweet shareholder GAINZ, baby!

[Trey3216 15452]

57 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

What would happen if we took the 50+ billion in profits skimmed off the top by insurance companies (not to mention all the money payed out to employees in bonuses for refusing coverage effectively) and put that money back into the system? 

 

That's why I don't buy this argument. Take out as many for profit middle men in every industry that is essential to health and basic needs.

It would save us less than 1%   

[Brisketexan 106874]

7 minutes ago, Hate said:

Can we get a matrix on agreeable reasons to murder a CEO? Can it also be applied to other C-suite execs? 

So long as the list includes:

1) Going through the express checkout line with more than 15 items

2) Driving slow in the fast lane

3) Serving cobbler without ice cream

......I'm listening.

[InkaUtexas 26860]

9 minutes ago, Hate said:

Can we get a matrix on agreeable reasons to murder a CEO? Can it also be applied to other C-suite execs? 

Yeah, but CGO's with that made up title are first.

[workswithseed 2204]

The Sword of Damocles stuff here. Be at the top, your choices get people killed, you'll have to live that some will kill you.

[InkaUtexas 26860]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

So long as the list includes:

1) Going through the express checkout line with more than 15 items

2) Driving slow in the fast lane

3) Serving cobbler without ice cream

......I'm listening.

Stopping in the middle of the aisle so you can talk to someone on your phone, using the speaker.

[Anastasis 23716]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

The remaining 32.5%? Puuuuuuuure sweet shareholder GAINZ, baby!

I know that this is just a bit, but the remaining is accounted for by different types of care facilities and services, DME, dental, home health, other professional services. 

Edited December 5 by Anastasis

[po elvis 2137]

12 minutes ago, Hate said:

Can we get a matrix on agreeable reasons to murder a CEO? Can it also be applied to other C-suite execs? 

immamac has canceled all future appearances.

[Brian Fantana 6862]

12 minutes ago, Hate said:

Can we get a matrix on agreeable reasons to murder a CEO? Can it also be applied to other C-suite execs? 

You could liquidate every single C-suiter on the planet and it wouldn't make a shit bit of difference other than the world being marginally better off without them.

[crash_davis 23468]

GM has been having layoffs all throughout the 2nd half of this year. Last I check, over 2000 (probably closer to 3-4000) people were laid off. They'll have more layoffs next year.

They spent $10B last year and $6B this year (June) for stock buybacks. Was that the best use of their capital? Best use for whom, their customers and employees or for the shareholders and the execs and their bonuses?

 

Is that ethical? Is that wrong? Tie that decision and this country's insistence on tying health insurance to employment, and then having the leaders of those health insurance companies myopic drive for profit so that they can get their million dollar bonuses while fucking over their customers, it prob is ethically wrong. But yay capitalism run amuck.

[wong 26]

1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

You could liquidate every single C-suiter on the planet and it wouldn't make a shit bit of difference other than the world being marginally better off without them.

Yeah, I'm sure we could pull in some staff level marketing guy to make decisions that effect the global operations of a business, not to mention thousands of workers.

[Incredulity 11874]

4 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

GM has been having layoffs all throughout the 2nd half of this year. Last I check, over 2000 (probably closer to 3-4000) people were laid off. They'll have more layoffs next year.

They spent $10B last year and $6B this year (June) for stock buybacks. Was that the best use of their capital? Best use for whom, their customers and employees or for the shareholders and the execs and their bonuses?

 

Is that ethical? Is that wrong? Tie that decision and this country's insistence on tying health insurance to employment, and then having the leaders of those health insurance companies myopic drive for profit so that they can get their million dollar bonuses while fucking over their customers, it prob is ethically wrong. But yay capitalism run amuck.

GM should have been kaput 15 years ago.

 

[Anastasis 23716]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

and I’m fine if we all switch to single payer if that is what we are agree about but realize that wait times will go up and care will go down.

I think that we can thread the needle with a system that balances a single payer catastrophic backstop with a market-based system up to that threshold. Decouple everything from the employer, tax advantaged savings accounts for errbody, price transparency requirements. Get the government out of most of the day to day practice of healthcare and I think everyone from patients to providers benefits. When catastrophic limits hit, you keep people out of bankruptcy with the backstop. Some specialties will get pinched, certain medications that put people in the catastrophic coverage will have to negotiate their pricing with the government. 

 

There are ways to get there. Too many deeply entrenched interests involved to make them politically viable.  

[crash_davis 23468]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

GM should have been kaput 15 years ago.

 

I used GM in this example but a shitton of companies on the Fortune 500 do the same exact shit. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13725]

1 hour ago, HOOKEM4 said:

What would happen if we took the 50+ billion in profits skimmed off the top by insurance companies (not to mention all the money payed out to employees in bonuses for refusing coverage effectively) and put that money back into the system? 

 

That's why I don't buy this argument. Take out as many for profit middle men in every industry that is essential to health and basic needs.

Don’t we spend over $4.5T on healthcare? $50b isn’t that much. But I agree that efficiency and cost savings should be targeted.

Edited December 5 by Nice Guy Eddie

[AbeFroman 3112]

1 hour ago, smuggs said:

Is it Gyllenhaal?

 

 

The kid who posted the misdirection about CitiBike

 

[Incredulity 11874]

14 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I think that we can thread the needle with a system that balances a single payer catastrophic backstop with a market-based system up to that threshold. Decouple everything from the employer, tax advantaged savings accounts for errbody, price transparency requirements. Get the government out of most of the day to day practice of healthcare and I think everyone from patients to providers benefits. When catastrophic limits hit, you keep people out of bankruptcy with the backstop. Some specialties will get pinched, certain medications that put people in the catastrophic coverage will have to negotiate their pricing with the government. 

 

There are ways to get there. Too many deeply entrenched interests involved to make them politically viable.  

makes too much sense.  can't have it.

[Beau Vine 55859]

1 hour ago, gsoda3 said:

Surely that got cleared up pretty quickly...?

[smuggs 9397]

10 minutes ago, AbeFroman said:

The kid who posted the misdirection about CitiBike

 

 

Are you saying the Citibike Scraper did this?

 

[Deej 77805]

51 minutes ago, royiv said:

It won’t make a shit. They’ll just hire private security instead of having even a moment of introspection.

Maybe all the politicians whose pockets they line will have moments of introspection, too. 

[Incredulity 11874]

where is reporting that Citibike wasn't used as getaway?  

[chainsaw 10281]

NYPD walked it back

[Hefeweizen 5443]

44 minutes ago, Hate said:

Can we get a matrix on agreeable reasons to murder a CEO? Can it also be applied to other C-suite execs? 

[Incredulity 11874]

Just now, chainsaw said:

NYPD walked it back

lol, real time information is quite the thing.

[Brisketexan 106874]

25 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Tie that decision and this country's insistence on tying health insurance to employment, and then having the leaders of those health insurance companies myopic drive for profit so that they can get their million dollar bonuses while fucking over their customers, it prob is ethically wrong. But yay capitalism run amuck.

Bottom line, a functional society SHOULD choose whether some tasks should be seen as a social good, versus being a profit center.

Manufacturing widgets?  Should probably be left to the market.

Raising children?  I think most would agree that the best model is for parents to raise children as an altruistic project, not as future revenue generators for the family unit (although if my kids want to make a fortune and send a little something to dad, I'd be cool with that).

Educating the population?  Well....it seems we USED to think it was a social good, but we're rapidly getting away from that now.  It will not be to our collective benefit.

Healthcare?  There's complexity there.  There IS some benefit to having profit motivation in the system (it can drive innovation, development of drugs, etc.).  That said....most of that can also be driven by focused and managed spending for the public good.  But most everyone seems to believe that healthcare is a public good (see the universal reaction, across the political spectrum, to this murder).....but then we end up where we can't agree on anything about it, and any suggestion that we move away from the for-profit model to any sort of public-good model is met with rabid resistance and "NO SOCIALISM AND THEY KILL ALL THE PATIENTS IN CANADA!"  

So, as much as it pains me to ever type this, Anastasis is MOSTLY right.   He's MOSTLY right that "nothing will change."  But he's a bit wrong.  It will continue to change.  That is, it will continue to get worse.  We will spend INCREASING amounts of money for DECREASING quality of outcomes.  We are on our chosen path.  All gas, no brakes.