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  On 12/5/2024 at 11:49 PM, Sgt Hulk said:

Don’t have time to read all 12 pages. I’m ina group chat with some old operator buddies.  Def looks professional.  Someone hired a hitman type revenge. Health care related not fucking someone’s wife related is the guess. But this wasn’t some mad scorned husband. This dude was trained up 

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One thing I’ve learned is that “operator” types and gun enthusiasts get gun-related stuff wrong a lot more often than you’d imagine. For example your buddies here are wrong. There’s no such thing as a “professional hit man”. None. It’s a myth from movies. This was just an angry dude from Atlanta that took a bus to NYC. He’s not some assassin or crazy badass. 

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  On 12/6/2024 at 5:26 AM, Vegas64 said:

I agree 95% with the sentiment on these 12 pages. However in the interest of fairness and since everyone else is giving anecdotal insights, I do want to give UHC props.

I have a gentic disorder and I live in Texas. I have an aunt who has the the same one who lives in the London area. I've had Anthem, BCBSTX, Aetna and UHC.

Getting coverage of a biologic that I need 3x a year has been infinitely easier with UHC. They approved it the first time without appeal or needing to harrass my specialists with interviews and gave me the name brand. The other insurers were horrible. Constant denials and appeals and then finally approving with a biologic similiar (generic I guess?) and on a more elongated schedule, 2x a year versus the 3, than requested by my docs.

My aunt in London and dealing with the NHS?

Horror stories. Very basic care and medicine (generic, low efficacy and therapeutic relief pills versus the very expensive infusion therapies) and the wait if you are ever approved is so bad. She had to go on their version of disability because she couldn't get access in a timely way to function at even a mid-level. She's doing fine now after having had to spend a few years at the front of this disease getting it into a remission state, but there was suffering and loss, etc. from not being able to flex. I should also add she's not wealthy and very middle class and working class.

All that to say, NHS is amazing for the flu or covid or insulin. It's amazing for 90% of the healthcare population.

But if you have a rare or aggressive and specialized disease and need specialists and expensive meds (the vast, vast minority) there is no better healthcare than in the U.S.

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I'm happy you received the care you needed from UHC. But you do realize your anecdotal experience is hardly a useful data point in assessing the quality of outcomes for 340 million people?

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  On 12/6/2024 at 2:36 PM, GenXer said:

For no reason whatsoever 

SIAP

 

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Funny, I'm generally not in the habit of clicking "play" on videos where it's just some random asshole talking to the camera, but I made an exception in this case because of the Akira shirt, and lo and behold, I immediately discovered that it was an unexpectedly funny "Shakira" shirt. 

Now I have to search the internet to make a very important purchase.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 1:36 PM, Orange&White said:

I saw something yesterday that said the gun did not malfunction, it is actually designed to be manually cycled after each shot. And that it was a rare enough gun that they could track where it was purchased fairly easy and they were already looking at a shop in Connecticut. 

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Yeah I see CBS trying to claim it’s a $2000 B&T station six, which is a manually cycled pistol. With the station six, the operator has to pull back to eject a spent case and then push forward to feed a fresh round. There’s no spring. The video makes it obvious that the slide on the shooters gun is driven forward by a spring. He pulls it back and releases it repeatedly, which is how he ended up ejecting 3 unspent rounds. It’s clearly a common semi-auto, probably a Glock or very similar mechanically. It makes perfect sense that a Glock would exhibit the cycling issues visible in the video when you stick a can on it and use subsonic rounds.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 2:39 PM, Prepuce of Doom said:

Funny, I'm generally not in the habit of clicking "play" on videos where it's just some random asshole talking to the camera, but I made an exception in this case because of the Akira shirt, and lo and behold, I immediately discovered that it was an unexpectedly funny "Shakira" shirt. 

Now I have to search the internet to make a very important purchase.

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Perhaps you can wear it when you’re not concerned about exhibiting an air of professional gravitas.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 12:40 PM, Bevo said:

If you want to give a detailed answer to the guy's question be my guest. However, I am sure that won't keep pedantics from arguing. Non-physicians can't practice medicine or make medical decisions in Texas. MSOs do exist so yes, it is possible through specific organizational structures to get around the state laws.

And I'm pretty sure USAP who you mentioned above (despite having capital partners Berkshire, Stowe, etc) is also owned by its physician partners, who are the largest shareholder group and maintain clinical governance of their practices.

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PE owns a metric fuck ton of physician practices in the state of Texas using friendly physician models. You are correct that physicians maintain clinical governance, but they get their paychecks from a PE owned entity.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 2:36 PM, GenXer said:

For no reason whatsoever 

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link to the actual account where possible:

 

 

 

 

  

  On 12/6/2024 at 2:39 PM, Prepuce of Doom said:

Funny, I'm generally not in the habit of clicking "play" on videos where it's just some random asshole talking to the camera, but I made an exception in this case because of the Akira shirt, and lo and behold, I immediately discovered that it was an unexpectedly funny "Shakira" shirt. 

Now I have to search the internet to make a very important purchase.

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https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/21667071-sh-akira

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  On 12/6/2024 at 2:39 PM, Prepuce of Doom said:

Funny, I'm generally not in the habit of clicking "play" on videos where it's just some random asshole talking to the camera, but I made an exception in this case because of the Akira shirt, and lo and behold, I immediately discovered that it was an unexpectedly funny "Shakira" shirt. 

Now I have to search the internet to make a very important purchase.

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https://www.etsy.com/listing/1276821022/

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  On 12/6/2024 at 3:10 PM, elfenix said:

link to the actual account where possible:

 

 

 

 

  

 

https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/21667071-sh-akira

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It's fucking insane how many trackers and shit tiktok wants to load just to play a video. The insta embed just needs its content CDN to play, tiktok needs at least five differnt JS scripts holy shit

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  On 12/6/2024 at 2:37 PM, Orale said:

I'm happy you received the care you needed from UHC. But you do realize your anecdotal experience is hardly a useful data point in assessing the quality of outcomes for 340 million people?

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For sure. I'm just giving a personal anecdote because I felt it relevant. Especially in the face of other personal anecdotes that are romantcizing nationalized or socialized healthcare which, again, for basic and run of the mill things, is amazing.

Basic care for broken bones and infections and even more basic chronic conditions for 300+ million people it's great. For the "rare" millions with rare or specialized disease and disorder, private healthcare from your employer is a huge privilege (and at the expense of the risk pool of all the normies). That's my only point.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 3:48 PM, Brisketexan said:

Again, the near universal reaction to this is what really blows me away.

My wife and I were talking about it last night, and there's a real takeway from this of "maybe you should live your life in a way so that, if you are ever murdered on the street, the universal reaction isn't this:"

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I mean....what a horrible coda to a human life.  You lived, you did things, and you did them in a way so that when you were murdered -- not just died, MURDERED -- 98% of the world reacts like Reese above.  What a failure of a human being.  It's almost worse than being a megalomaniacal dictator or some shit -- sure, people danced in the street when Hitler died, but he also had devoted acolytes who thought he was great.  This dude?  Even the people who "liked him" (his board and such) can easily replace him.  He's just a robot that costs $10 million a year that performs the basic function of denying healthcare to people.  It's plug-and-play....he's not even special.  Just mundane evil.  So, adios.  

Our society has spent a lot of time sowing, creating institutional inhumanity.  It was/is inevitable that reaping will come.

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What struck me was the reddit feed from someone who worked at United that even they weren't surprised.  

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  On 12/6/2024 at 3:41 PM, Vegas64 said:

For sure. I'm just giving a personal anecdote because I felt it relevant. Especially in the face of other personal anecdotes that are romantcizing nationalized or socialized healthcare which, again, for basic and run of the mill things, is amazing.

Basic care for broken bones and infections and even more basic chronic conditions for 300+ million people it's great. For the "rare" millions with rare or specialized disease and disorder, private healthcare from your employer is a huge privilege (and at the expense of the risk pool of all the normies). That's my only point.

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And it's not an unfair point.  NO system is perfect, delivering miracle top-end medical care to 100% of patients.

WHICH DEFINITELY INCLUDES OUR CURRENT SYSTEM IN THE US.  We don't even deliver good care for BASIC, COMMON serious illnesses - think of any number of cancers.  I can't tell you how many friends and acquaintances on my social media feed are now sharing their horror stories of their family cancer experience: shit like having a child with a deadly cancer, and on top of all of the stress and heartache for that, getting a $100k bill (on a teacher's salary) because the insurer is refusing to cover random shit irrationally.

Our system, confronted with the Trolley Problem, has opted to enthusiastically steer the trolley towards the large group of people instead of the small one, because DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH SHAREHOLDER VALUE IS CREATED BY CHOOSING THAT PATH??????

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  On 12/6/2024 at 1:09 PM, B00M said:
He wrote those words on the shell cases that were going to be extracted and ejected even if his gun cycled perfectly. If you watch the video, he clearly wasn’t expecting this level of malfunction. He’d probably never fired this pistol suppressed. 

Were they on the case or the actual bullet? He looked like he had at least practiced once or twice on cycling. He didn’t tap the mag
  On 12/6/2024 at 2:35 PM, Helobious said:
One thing I’ve learned is that “operator” types and gun enthusiasts get gun-related stuff wrong a lot more often than you’d imagine. For example your buddies here are wrong. There’s no such thing as a “professional hit man”. None. It’s a myth from movies. This was just an angry dude from Atlanta that took a bus to NYC. He’s not some assassin or crazy badass. 

That sounds like something a professional hit man would say.
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  On 12/6/2024 at 3:52 PM, Brisketexan said:

And it's not an unfair point.  NO system is perfect, delivering miracle top-end medical care to 100% of patients.

WHICH DEFINITELY INCLUDES OUR CURRENT SYSTEM IN THE US.  We don't even deliver good care for BASIC, COMMON serious illnesses - think of any number of cancers.  I can't tell you how many friends and acquaintances on my social media feed are now sharing their horror stories of their family cancer experience: shit like having a child with a deadly cancer, and on top of all of the stress and heartache for that, getting a $100k bill (on a teacher's salary) because the insurer is refusing to cover random shit irrationally.

Our system, confronted with the Trolley Problem, has opted to enthusiastically steer the trolley towards the large group of people instead of the small one, because DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH SHAREHOLDER VALUE IS CREATED BY CHOOSING THAT PATH??????

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Seems to me we shouldn't be building or supporting a system that excels at the extreme margins rather provides better outcomes more efficiently to the vast majority of the public.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 3:52 PM, Brisketexan said:

And it's not an unfair point.  NO system is perfect, delivering miracle top-end medical care to 100% of patients.

WHICH DEFINITELY INCLUDES OUR CURRENT SYSTEM IN THE US.  We don't even deliver good care for BASIC, COMMON serious illnesses - think of any number of cancers.  I can't tell you how many friends and acquaintances on my social media feed are now sharing their horror stories of their family cancer experience: shit like having a child with a deadly cancer, and on top of all of the stress and heartache for that, getting a $100k bill (on a teacher's salary) because the insurer is refusing to cover random shit irrationally.

Our system, confronted with the Trolley Problem, has opted to enthusiastically steer the trolley towards the large group of people instead of the small one, because DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH SHAREHOLDER VALUE IS CREATED BY CHOOSING THAT PATH??????

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Definitely agree with you. This is why healthcare is such a quagmire. There is zero way to make everyone happy, all the time.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 4:03 PM, DDD Dad said:

Seems to me we shouldn't be building or supporting a system that excels at the extreme margins rather provides better outcomes more efficiently to the vast majority of the public.

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Trolley problem.

  On 12/6/2024 at 4:04 PM, Vegas64 said:

Definitely agree with you. This is why healthcare is such a quagmire. There is zero way to make everyone happy, all the time.

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Trolley problem.

It's like almost every other complex task that takes effort/money.  I can spend $100 billion to get you 95% of the way to your ideal goal.  We can then spend another $100 billion, which gets us up to....97% of our goal.  There is no amount of money that will get us to 100% of our goal.

So we'll oppose any reform or restructuring by using the criticism of "it doesn't get us to 100% perfection!".....which ignores the fact that our current system gets us to maybe the 70% mark.  Of course, the reason for that is because our system is NOT designed to deliver healthcare.  It is designed to deliver profits.  Healthcare is just the mechanism it uses to deliver those profits.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 3:41 PM, Vegas64 said:

For sure. I'm just giving a personal anecdote because I felt it relevant. Especially in the face of other personal anecdotes that are romantcizing nationalized or socialized healthcare which, again, for basic and run of the mill things, is amazing.

Basic care for broken bones and infections and even more basic chronic conditions for 300+ million people it's great. For the "rare" millions with rare or specialized disease and disorder, private healthcare from your employer is a huge privilege (and at the expense of the risk pool of all the normies). That's my only point.

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Pre-ACA, being a type 1 diabetic meant you couldn’t buy health insurance as an individual because health insurance companies wouldn’t sell to people with pre-existing conditions.

The market collapse and subsequent layoffs of Oct 2008 put a lot of us in a very precarious position with our health.

Recently, I was quoted $5000 for one month’s supply of one of the two types of insulin I use while waiting for my new insurance to kick in.

America has a lot of meat on the bone to improve healthcare even for standard stuff.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 3:09 PM, royiv said:

PE owns a metric fuck ton of physician practices in the state of Texas using friendly physician models. You are correct that physicians maintain clinical governance, but they get their paychecks from a PE owned entity.

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The next situation where PE acquisition is a good thing for patients will be the first.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 4:11 PM, NoName said:

The next situation where PE acquisition is a good thing for patients consumers, customers, patients, or any human being NOT in PE will be the first.

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FIF accuracy.

 

  On 12/6/2024 at 4:14 PM, InkaUtexas said:

Two questions.

1- Did you all solve this yet?

2- Would you turn him in?

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3 -- muledick.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 4:11 PM, GenXer said:

Pre-ACA, being a type 1 diabetic meant you couldn’t buy health insurance as an individual because health insurance companies wouldn’t sell to people with pre-existing conditions.

The market collapse and subsequent layoffs of Oct 2008 put a lot of us in a very precarious position with our health.

Recently, I was quoted $5000 for one month’s supply of one of the two types of insulin I use while waiting for my new insurance to kick in.

America has a lot of meat on the bone to improve healthcare even for standard stuff.

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‘Member when ACA provisions like outlawing preexisting condition exclusions and annual and lifetime maximums was going to bankrupt the health insurance companies? I ‘member.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 4:11 PM, Brisketexan said:

It's like almost every other complex task that takes effort/money.  I can spend $100 billion to get you 95% of the way to your ideal goal.  We can then spend another $100 billion, which gets us up to....97% of our goal.  There is no amount of money that will get us to 100% of our goal.

So we'll oppose any reform or restructuring by using the criticism of "it doesn't get us to 100% perfection!".....which ignores the fact that our current system gets us to maybe the 70% mark.  Of course, the reason for that is because our system is NOT designed to deliver healthcare.  It is designed to deliver profits.  Healthcare is just the mechanism it uses to deliver those profits.

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70 percent? LOL.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 3:48 PM, Brisketexan said:
Again, the near universal reaction to this is what really blows me away.
My wife and I were talking about it last night, and there's a real takeway from this of "maybe you should live your life in a way so that, if you are ever murdered on the street, the universal reaction isn't this:"
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I mean....what a horrible coda to a human life.  You lived, you did things, and you did them in a way so that when you were murdered -- not just died, MURDERED -- 98% of the world reacts like Reese above.  What a failure of a human being.  It's almost worse than being a megalomaniacal dictator or some shit -- sure, people danced in the street when Hitler died, but he also had devoted acolytes who thought he was great.  This dude?  Even the people who "liked him" (his board and such) can easily replace him.  He's just a robot that costs $10 million a year that performs the basic function of denying healthcare to people.  It's plug-and-play....he's not even special.  Just mundane evil.  So, adios.  
Our society has spent a lot of time sowing, creating institutional inhumanity.  It was/is inevitable that reaping will come.

To be fair, no one gives a fuck if some stranger is murdered. Occasionally you get some outrage for a famous person or the manner, but most people don’t really care because it doesn’t affect them.
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  On 12/6/2024 at 2:35 PM, Helobious said:
One thing I’ve learned is that “operator” types and gun enthusiasts get gun-related stuff wrong a lot more often than you’d imagine. For example your buddies here are wrong. There’s no such thing as a “professional hit man”. None. It’s a myth from movies. This was just an angry dude from Atlanta that took a bus to NYC. He’s not some assassin or crazy badass. 


Doesn’t what he did, and at least so far get away with it, pretty much make him both?
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  On 12/6/2024 at 3:48 PM, Brisketexan said:

Again, the near universal reaction to this is what really blows me away.

My wife and I were talking about it last night, and there's a real takeway from this of "maybe you should live your life in a way so that, if you are ever murdered on the street, the universal reaction isn't this:"

giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952fyrtf58dkjynyu3t21

I mean....what a horrible coda to a human life.  You lived, you did things, and you did them in a way so that when you were murdered -- not just died, MURDERED -- 98% of the world reacts like Reese above.  What a failure of a human being.  It's almost worse than being a megalomaniacal dictator or some shit -- sure, people danced in the street when Hitler died, but he also had devoted acolytes who thought he was great.  This dude?  Even the people who "liked him" (his board and such) can easily replace him.  He's just a robot that costs $10 million a year that performs the basic function of denying healthcare to people.  It's plug-and-play....he's not even special.  Just mundane evil.  So, adios.  

Our society has spent a lot of time sowing, creating institutional inhumanity.  It was/is inevitable that reaping will come.

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Aren't you a lawyer?

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  On 12/6/2024 at 4:18 PM, royiv said:

And yet physicians will continue to sell their practices to make bankers rich and become their employees. 

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Because nearly everyone just wants to get paid.

Someone will take the job of the guy that is dead, because it pays $10M a year. And people will still go work for UHC because it pays a salary that they can use to feed their family and pay their bills.

There are VERY few altruistic people that are not going to take a good salaried job in their field because it is not popular.

If UHC offered you his $10M/year salary tomorrow, are you turning it down?

  On 12/6/2024 at 4:24 PM, Jkwellborn said:


To be fair, no one gives a fuck if some stranger is murdered. Occasionally you get some outrage for a famous person or the manner, but most people don’t really care because it doesn’t affect them.

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Like OJ once told us: "People die every day"

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  On 12/6/2024 at 4:35 PM, Orange&White said:

 

Because nearly everyone just wants to get paid.

Someone will take the job of the guy that is dead, because it pays $10M a year. And people will still go work for UHC because it pays a salary that they can use to feed their family and pay their bills.

There are VERY few altruistic people that are not going to take a good salaried job in their field because it is not popular.

If UHC offered you his $10M/year salary tomorrow, are you turning it down?

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  1. Bleak and stupid take
  2. Well I think we know how cheaply you can be bought.  Damned son, $10m that's really all you're worth?
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  On 12/6/2024 at 4:11 PM, GenXer said:
Pre-ACA, being a type 1 diabetic meant you couldn’t buy health insurance as an individual because health insurance companies wouldn’t sell to people with pre-existing conditions.
The market collapse and subsequent layoffs of Oct 2008 put a lot of us in a very precarious position with our health.
Recently, I was quoted $5000 for one month’s supply of one of the two types of insulin I use while waiting for my new insurance to kick in.
America has a lot of meat on the bone to improve healthcare even for standard stuff.

I think you had to wait 1 year for them to cover preexisting. I got on two insurances before 2000 with epilepsy with no problem.
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