CEO of UHG Shot and Killed in NYC - WTF is wrong with you New York

[Pescado_Rojo 19558]

2 hours ago, Iceman said:

I'm still pondering UHC ordering the hit.  Then again, no way their triggerman would have been on time...

He'd have sent them a letter that arrived two days before the procedure telling them it was deemed unnecessary and therefore not covered by their agreement. 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8963]

Man these insurance puns are no chill. At least wait until the body is cold before you start fucking him over.

[Helobious 9755]

14 hours ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Don’t have time to read all 12 pages. I’m ina group chat with some old operator buddies.  Def looks professional.  Someone hired a hitman type revenge. Health care related not fucking someone’s wife related is the guess. But this wasn’t some mad scorned husband. This dude was trained up 

One thing I’ve learned is that “operator” types and gun enthusiasts get gun-related stuff wrong a lot more often than you’d imagine. For example your buddies here are wrong. There’s no such thing as a “professional hit man”. None. It’s a myth from movies. This was just an angry dude from Atlanta that took a bus to NYC. He’s not some assassin or crazy badass. 

[Prepuce of Doom 21260]

3 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Man these insurance puns are no chill. At least wait until the body is cold before you start fucking him over.

Am I the only one struggling to find the pun here? 

[GenXer 3326]

For no reason whatsoever 

SIAP

 

[Orale 1176]

9 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

I agree 95% with the sentiment on these 12 pages. However in the interest of fairness and since everyone else is giving anecdotal insights, I do want to give UHC props.

I have a gentic disorder and I live in Texas. I have an aunt who has the the same one who lives in the London area. I've had Anthem, BCBSTX, Aetna and UHC.

Getting coverage of a biologic that I need 3x a year has been infinitely easier with UHC. They approved it the first time without appeal or needing to harrass my specialists with interviews and gave me the name brand. The other insurers were horrible. Constant denials and appeals and then finally approving with a biologic similiar (generic I guess?) and on a more elongated schedule, 2x a year versus the 3, than requested by my docs.

My aunt in London and dealing with the NHS?

Horror stories. Very basic care and medicine (generic, low efficacy and therapeutic relief pills versus the very expensive infusion therapies) and the wait if you are ever approved is so bad. She had to go on their version of disability because she couldn't get access in a timely way to function at even a mid-level. She's doing fine now after having had to spend a few years at the front of this disease getting it into a remission state, but there was suffering and loss, etc. from not being able to flex. I should also add she's not wealthy and very middle class and working class.

All that to say, NHS is amazing for the flu or covid or insulin. It's amazing for 90% of the healthcare population.

But if you have a rare or aggressive and specialized disease and need specialists and expensive meds (the vast, vast minority) there is no better healthcare than in the U.S.

I'm happy you received the care you needed from UHC. But you do realize your anecdotal experience is hardly a useful data point in assessing the quality of outcomes for 340 million people?

[Prepuce of Doom 21260]

5 minutes ago, GenXer said:

For no reason whatsoever 

SIAP

 

Funny, I'm generally not in the habit of clicking "play" on videos where it's just some random asshole talking to the camera, but I made an exception in this case because of the Akira shirt, and lo and behold, I immediately discovered that it was an unexpectedly funny "Shakira" shirt. 

Now I have to search the internet to make a very important purchase.

Edited December 6 by Prepuce of Doom

[Iceman 2956]

4 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

Am I the only one struggling to find the pun here? 

Give it another shot…

[B00M 6725]

47 minutes ago, Orange&White said:

I saw something yesterday that said the gun did not malfunction, it is actually designed to be manually cycled after each shot. And that it was a rare enough gun that they could track where it was purchased fairly easy and they were already looking at a shop in Connecticut. 

Yeah I see CBS trying to claim it’s a $2000 B&T station six, which is a manually cycled pistol. With the station six, the operator has to pull back to eject a spent case and then push forward to feed a fresh round. There’s no spring. The video makes it obvious that the slide on the shooters gun is driven forward by a spring. He pulls it back and releases it repeatedly, which is how he ended up ejecting 3 unspent rounds. It’s clearly a common semi-auto, probably a Glock or very similar mechanically. It makes perfect sense that a Glock would exhibit the cycling issues visible in the video when you stick a can on it and use subsonic rounds.

[Trey3216 15450]

24 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Man these insurance puns are no chill. At least wait until the body is cold before you start fucking him over.

He's already dead, so cooling the body faster ain't covered either.  

[GenXer 3326]

23 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

Funny, I'm generally not in the habit of clicking "play" on videos where it's just some random asshole talking to the camera, but I made an exception in this case because of the Akira shirt, and lo and behold, I immediately discovered that it was an unexpectedly funny "Shakira" shirt. 

Now I have to search the internet to make a very important purchase.

Perhaps you can wear it when you’re not concerned about exhibiting an air of professional gravitas.

Edited December 6 by GenXer

[mdmost 43850]

31 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Man these insurance puns are no chill. At least wait until the body is cold before you start fucking him over.

Sorry, we have denied your claim. You may appeal this decision by writing us a letter stating why you disagree with this decision. 

[BabaYaga 15532]

[royiv 9687]

2 hours ago, Bevo said:

If you want to give a detailed answer to the guy's question be my guest. However, I am sure that won't keep pedantics from arguing. Non-physicians can't practice medicine or make medical decisions in Texas. MSOs do exist so yes, it is possible through specific organizational structures to get around the state laws.

And I'm pretty sure USAP who you mentioned above (despite having capital partners Berkshire, Stowe, etc) is also owned by its physician partners, who are the largest shareholder group and maintain clinical governance of their practices.

PE owns a metric fuck ton of physician practices in the state of Texas using friendly physician models. You are correct that physicians maintain clinical governance, but they get their paychecks from a PE owned entity.

[elfenix 34658]

34 minutes ago, GenXer said:

For no reason whatsoever 

SIAP

 

link to the actual account where possible:

 

 

 

 

  

31 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

Funny, I'm generally not in the habit of clicking "play" on videos where it's just some random asshole talking to the camera, but I made an exception in this case because of the Akira shirt, and lo and behold, I immediately discovered that it was an unexpectedly funny "Shakira" shirt. 

Now I have to search the internet to make a very important purchase.

 

https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/21667071-sh-akira

Edited December 6 by elfenix

[GenXer 3326]

31 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

Funny, I'm generally not in the habit of clicking "play" on videos where it's just some random asshole talking to the camera, but I made an exception in this case because of the Akira shirt, and lo and behold, I immediately discovered that it was an unexpectedly funny "Shakira" shirt. 

Now I have to search the internet to make a very important purchase.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1276821022/

godspeed

[Captainant 28387]

13 minutes ago, elfenix said:

link to the actual account where possible:

 

 

 

 

  

 

https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/21667071-sh-akira

It's fucking insane how many trackers and shit tiktok wants to load just to play a video. The insta embed just needs its content CDN to play, tiktok needs at least five differnt JS scripts holy shit

[Aqua Buddha 14782]

[Vegas64 706]

1 hour ago, Orale said:

I'm happy you received the care you needed from UHC. But you do realize your anecdotal experience is hardly a useful data point in assessing the quality of outcomes for 340 million people?

For sure. I'm just giving a personal anecdote because I felt it relevant. Especially in the face of other personal anecdotes that are romantcizing nationalized or socialized healthcare which, again, for basic and run of the mill things, is amazing.

Basic care for broken bones and infections and even more basic chronic conditions for 300+ million people it's great. For the "rare" millions with rare or specialized disease and disorder, private healthcare from your employer is a huge privilege (and at the expense of the risk pool of all the normies). That's my only point.

[Brisketexan 106618]

Again, the near universal reaction to this is what really blows me away.

My wife and I were talking about it last night, and there's a real takeway from this of "maybe you should live your life in a way so that, if you are ever murdered on the street, the universal reaction isn't this:"

I mean....what a horrible coda to a human life.  You lived, you did things, and you did them in a way so that when you were murdered -- not just died, MURDERED -- 98% of the world reacts like Reese above.  What a failure of a human being.  It's almost worse than being a megalomaniacal dictator or some shit -- sure, people danced in the street when Hitler died, but he also had devoted acolytes who thought he was great.  This dude?  Even the people who "liked him" (his board and such) can easily replace him.  He's just a robot that costs $10 million a year that performs the basic function of denying healthcare to people.  It's plug-and-play....he's not even special.  Just mundane evil.  So, adios.  

Our society has spent a lot of time sowing, creating institutional inhumanity.  It was/is inevitable that reaping will come.

[Aqua Buddha 14782]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Again, the near universal reaction to this is what really blows me away.

My wife and I were talking about it last night, and there's a real takeway from this of "maybe you should live your life in a way so that, if you are ever murdered on the street, the universal reaction isn't this:"

I mean....what a horrible coda to a human life.  You lived, you did things, and you did them in a way so that when you were murdered -- not just died, MURDERED -- 98% of the world reacts like Reese above.  What a failure of a human being.  It's almost worse than being a megalomaniacal dictator or some shit -- sure, people danced in the street when Hitler died, but he also had devoted acolytes who thought he was great.  This dude?  Even the people who "liked him" (his board and such) can easily replace him.  He's just a robot that costs $10 million a year that performs the basic function of denying healthcare to people.  It's plug-and-play....he's not even special.  Just mundane evil.  So, adios.  

Our society has spent a lot of time sowing, creating institutional inhumanity.  It was/is inevitable that reaping will come.

What struck me was the reddit feed from someone who worked at United that even they weren't surprised.  

[Brisketexan 106618]

8 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

For sure. I'm just giving a personal anecdote because I felt it relevant. Especially in the face of other personal anecdotes that are romantcizing nationalized or socialized healthcare which, again, for basic and run of the mill things, is amazing.

Basic care for broken bones and infections and even more basic chronic conditions for 300+ million people it's great. For the "rare" millions with rare or specialized disease and disorder, private healthcare from your employer is a huge privilege (and at the expense of the risk pool of all the normies). That's my only point.

And it's not an unfair point.  NO system is perfect, delivering miracle top-end medical care to 100% of patients.

WHICH DEFINITELY INCLUDES OUR CURRENT SYSTEM IN THE US.  We don't even deliver good care for BASIC, COMMON serious illnesses - think of any number of cancers.  I can't tell you how many friends and acquaintances on my social media feed are now sharing their horror stories of their family cancer experience: shit like having a child with a deadly cancer, and on top of all of the stress and heartache for that, getting a $100k bill (on a teacher's salary) because the insurer is refusing to cover random shit irrationally.

Our system, confronted with the Trolley Problem, has opted to enthusiastically steer the trolley towards the large group of people instead of the small one, because DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH SHAREHOLDER VALUE IS CREATED BY CHOOSING THAT PATH??????

[Jkwellborn 7006]

He wrote those words on the shell cases that were going to be extracted and ejected even if his gun cycled perfectly. If you watch the video, he clearly wasn’t expecting this level of malfunction. He’d probably never fired this pistol suppressed. 

Were they on the case or the actual bullet? He looked like he had at least practiced once or twice on cycling. He didn’t tap the mag

One thing I’ve learned is that “operator” types and gun enthusiasts get gun-related stuff wrong a lot more often than you’d imagine. For example your buddies here are wrong. There’s no such thing as a “professional hit man”. None. It’s a myth from movies. This was just an angry dude from Atlanta that took a bus to NYC. He’s not some assassin or crazy badass. 

That sounds like something a professional hit man would say.

[Incredulity 11861]

1 hour ago, Helobious said:

This was just an angry dude from Atlanta that took a bus to NYC.

lets be real

If I wasn't already angry enough to murder someone a bus ride from ATL to NYC would probably do it.

[DDD Dad 14571]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And it's not an unfair point.  NO system is perfect, delivering miracle top-end medical care to 100% of patients.

WHICH DEFINITELY INCLUDES OUR CURRENT SYSTEM IN THE US.  We don't even deliver good care for BASIC, COMMON serious illnesses - think of any number of cancers.  I can't tell you how many friends and acquaintances on my social media feed are now sharing their horror stories of their family cancer experience: shit like having a child with a deadly cancer, and on top of all of the stress and heartache for that, getting a $100k bill (on a teacher's salary) because the insurer is refusing to cover random shit irrationally.

Our system, confronted with the Trolley Problem, has opted to enthusiastically steer the trolley towards the large group of people instead of the small one, because DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH SHAREHOLDER VALUE IS CREATED BY CHOOSING THAT PATH??????

Seems to me we shouldn't be building or supporting a system that excels at the extreme margins rather provides better outcomes more efficiently to the vast majority of the public.

[Vegas64 706]

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And it's not an unfair point.  NO system is perfect, delivering miracle top-end medical care to 100% of patients.

WHICH DEFINITELY INCLUDES OUR CURRENT SYSTEM IN THE US.  We don't even deliver good care for BASIC, COMMON serious illnesses - think of any number of cancers.  I can't tell you how many friends and acquaintances on my social media feed are now sharing their horror stories of their family cancer experience: shit like having a child with a deadly cancer, and on top of all of the stress and heartache for that, getting a $100k bill (on a teacher's salary) because the insurer is refusing to cover random shit irrationally.

Our system, confronted with the Trolley Problem, has opted to enthusiastically steer the trolley towards the large group of people instead of the small one, because DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH SHAREHOLDER VALUE IS CREATED BY CHOOSING THAT PATH??????

Definitely agree with you. This is why healthcare is such a quagmire. There is zero way to make everyone happy, all the time.

[NeverMarryAStripper 22241]

If they can’t make everyone happy, the usual American way is to fuck it up so badly that nobody is happy

[Brisketexan 106618]

2 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Seems to me we shouldn't be building or supporting a system that excels at the extreme margins rather provides better outcomes more efficiently to the vast majority of the public.

Trolley problem.

Just now, Vegas64 said:

Definitely agree with you. This is why healthcare is such a quagmire. There is zero way to make everyone happy, all the time.

Trolley problem.

It's like almost every other complex task that takes effort/money.  I can spend $100 billion to get you 95% of the way to your ideal goal.  We can then spend another $100 billion, which gets us up to....97% of our goal.  There is no amount of money that will get us to 100% of our goal.

So we'll oppose any reform or restructuring by using the criticism of "it doesn't get us to 100% perfection!".....which ignores the fact that our current system gets us to maybe the 70% mark.  Of course, the reason for that is because our system is NOT designed to deliver healthcare.  It is designed to deliver profits.  Healthcare is just the mechanism it uses to deliver those profits.

[GenXer 3326]

22 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

For sure. I'm just giving a personal anecdote because I felt it relevant. Especially in the face of other personal anecdotes that are romantcizing nationalized or socialized healthcare which, again, for basic and run of the mill things, is amazing.

Basic care for broken bones and infections and even more basic chronic conditions for 300+ million people it's great. For the "rare" millions with rare or specialized disease and disorder, private healthcare from your employer is a huge privilege (and at the expense of the risk pool of all the normies). That's my only point.

Pre-ACA, being a type 1 diabetic meant you couldn’t buy health insurance as an individual because health insurance companies wouldn’t sell to people with pre-existing conditions.

The market collapse and subsequent layoffs of Oct 2008 put a lot of us in a very precarious position with our health.

Recently, I was quoted $5000 for one month’s supply of one of the two types of insulin I use while waiting for my new insurance to kick in.

America has a lot of meat on the bone to improve healthcare even for standard stuff.

[NoName 17107]

1 hour ago, royiv said:

PE owns a metric fuck ton of physician practices in the state of Texas using friendly physician models. You are correct that physicians maintain clinical governance, but they get their paychecks from a PE owned entity.

The next situation where PE acquisition is a good thing for patients will be the first.

[crash_davis 23465]

[InkaUtexas 26800]

Two questions.

1- Did you all solve this yet?

2- Would you turn him in?

[Brisketexan 106618]

2 minutes ago, NoName said:

The next situation where PE acquisition is a good thing for patients consumers, customers, patients, or any human being NOT in PE will be the first.

FIF accuracy.

 

Just now, InkaUtexas said:

Two questions.

1- Did you all solve this yet?

2- Would you turn him in?

3 -- muledick.

[royiv 9687]

1 minute ago, GenXer said:

Pre-ACA, being a type 1 diabetic meant you couldn’t buy health insurance as an individual because health insurance companies wouldn’t sell to people with pre-existing conditions.

The market collapse and subsequent layoffs of Oct 2008 put a lot of us in a very precarious position with our health.

Recently, I was quoted $5000 for one month’s supply of one of the two types of insulin I use while waiting for my new insurance to kick in.

America has a lot of meat on the bone to improve healthcare even for standard stuff.

‘Member when ACA provisions like outlawing preexisting condition exclusions and annual and lifetime maximums was going to bankrupt the health insurance companies? I ‘member.

[DDD Dad 14571]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It's like almost every other complex task that takes effort/money.  I can spend $100 billion to get you 95% of the way to your ideal goal.  We can then spend another $100 billion, which gets us up to....97% of our goal.  There is no amount of money that will get us to 100% of our goal.

So we'll oppose any reform or restructuring by using the criticism of "it doesn't get us to 100% perfection!".....which ignores the fact that our current system gets us to maybe the 70% mark.  Of course, the reason for that is because our system is NOT designed to deliver healthcare.  It is designed to deliver profits.  Healthcare is just the mechanism it uses to deliver those profits.

70 percent? LOL.

[royiv 9687]

5 minutes ago, NoName said:

The next situation where PE acquisition is a good thing for patients will be the first.

And yet physicians will continue to sell their practices to make bankers rich and become their employees. 

[wong 26]

4 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Two questions.

1- Did you all solve this yet?

2- Would you turn him in?

no

yes

Sorry if I don't pass the surly cool guy test but I frown upon murder

[InkaUtexas 26800]

1 minute ago, wong said:

no

yes

Sorry if I don't pass the surly cool guy test but I frown upon murder

You are new here, we will let it slide. As your sanity retreats from being here that will change.

 

[Pescado_Rojo 19558]

8 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Two questions.

1- Did you all solve this yet?

2- Would you turn him in?

[Jkwellborn 7006]

Again, the near universal reaction to this is what really blows me away.
My wife and I were talking about it last night, and there's a real takeway from this of "maybe you should live your life in a way so that, if you are ever murdered on the street, the universal reaction isn't this:"

I mean....what a horrible coda to a human life.  You lived, you did things, and you did them in a way so that when you were murdered -- not just died, MURDERED -- 98% of the world reacts like Reese above.  What a failure of a human being.  It's almost worse than being a megalomaniacal dictator or some shit -- sure, people danced in the street when Hitler died, but he also had devoted acolytes who thought he was great.  This dude?  Even the people who "liked him" (his board and such) can easily replace him.  He's just a robot that costs $10 million a year that performs the basic function of denying healthcare to people.  It's plug-and-play....he's not even special.  Just mundane evil.  So, adios.  
Our society has spent a lot of time sowing, creating institutional inhumanity.  It was/is inevitable that reaping will come.

To be fair, no one gives a fuck if some stranger is murdered. Occasionally you get some outrage for a famous person or the manner, but most people don’t really care because it doesn’t affect them.

[GenXer 3326]

5 minutes ago, wong said:

no

yes

Sorry if I don't pass the surly cool guy test but I frown upon murder

Yeah. But you’re just wong. So so wong.

[MirrOlure 15185]

One thing I’ve learned is that “operator” types and gun enthusiasts get gun-related stuff wrong a lot more often than you’d imagine. For example your buddies here are wrong. There’s no such thing as a “professional hit man”. None. It’s a myth from movies. This was just an angry dude from Atlanta that took a bus to NYC. He’s not some assassin or crazy badass. 

Doesn’t what he did, and at least so far get away with it, pretty much make him both?

[InkaUtexas 26800]

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

FIF accuracy.

 

3 -- muledick.

Shit, we know you would love to be on his legal team! Brisket and Jackie Chiles.

 

[DoobieWah 1528]

42 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Again, the near universal reaction to this is what really blows me away.

My wife and I were talking about it last night, and there's a real takeway from this of "maybe you should live your life in a way so that, if you are ever murdered on the street, the universal reaction isn't this:"

I mean....what a horrible coda to a human life.  You lived, you did things, and you did them in a way so that when you were murdered -- not just died, MURDERED -- 98% of the world reacts like Reese above.  What a failure of a human being.  It's almost worse than being a megalomaniacal dictator or some shit -- sure, people danced in the street when Hitler died, but he also had devoted acolytes who thought he was great.  This dude?  Even the people who "liked him" (his board and such) can easily replace him.  He's just a robot that costs $10 million a year that performs the basic function of denying healthcare to people.  It's plug-and-play....he's not even special.  Just mundane evil.  So, adios.  

Our society has spent a lot of time sowing, creating institutional inhumanity.  It was/is inevitable that reaping will come.

Aren't you a lawyer?

😆

[crash_davis 23465]

[Orange&White 5563]

12 minutes ago, royiv said:

And yet physicians will continue to sell their practices to make bankers rich and become their employees. 

 

Because nearly everyone just wants to get paid.

Someone will take the job of the guy that is dead, because it pays $10M a year. And people will still go work for UHC because it pays a salary that they can use to feed their family and pay their bills.

There are VERY few altruistic people that are not going to take a good salaried job in their field because it is not popular.

If UHC offered you his $10M/year salary tomorrow, are you turning it down?

11 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

To be fair, no one gives a fuck if some stranger is murdered. Occasionally you get some outrage for a famous person or the manner, but most people don’t really care because it doesn’t affect them.

Like OJ once told us: "People die every day"

[Iceman 2956]

we'd definitely have to get me a pope-mobile or some shit.

But yeah, we could work out the personal body armor for meetings along with that comp package.

Edited December 6 by Iceman

[royiv 9687]

4 minutes ago, Orange&White said:

If UHC offered you his $10M/year salary tomorrow, are you turning it down?

Yes.

But to be fair, I’ve spent my career on the opposite side of the table of health insurance companies and I find UHC to be the worst of the worst.

[locodos 5583]

6 minutes ago, Orange&White said:

 

Because nearly everyone just wants to get paid.

Someone will take the job of the guy that is dead, because it pays $10M a year. And people will still go work for UHC because it pays a salary that they can use to feed their family and pay their bills.

There are VERY few altruistic people that are not going to take a good salaried job in their field because it is not popular.

If UHC offered you his $10M/year salary tomorrow, are you turning it down?

1. Bleak and stupid take
2. Well I think we know how cheaply you can be bought.  Damned son, $10m that's really all you're worth?

[Jkwellborn 7006]

Pre-ACA, being a type 1 diabetic meant you couldn’t buy health insurance as an individual because health insurance companies wouldn’t sell to people with pre-existing conditions.
The market collapse and subsequent layoffs of Oct 2008 put a lot of us in a very precarious position with our health.
Recently, I was quoted $5000 for one month’s supply of one of the two types of insulin I use while waiting for my new insurance to kick in.
America has a lot of meat on the bone to improve healthcare even for standard stuff.

I think you had to wait 1 year for them to cover preexisting. I got on two insurances before 2000 with epilepsy with no problem.