CEO of UHG Shot and Killed in NYC - WTF is wrong with you New York

[blacklab 12049]

Poor guy had to use java and spark. I'd probably kill people too if I had to do that.

[HouTex 1912]

36 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I'm fine with what he did. I'm fine if he gets punished. Would have been fine if he had gotten away. Fuck the dead guy, completely indifferent to his demise.

Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken.  You really are fine with murder?

[chainsaw 10244]

20 minutes ago, gofuckyourself said:

I want one that says "Take It And Come" but with a fleshlight

Sorta NSFW. Best I could do on short notice...

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FTFY

[Brisketexan 106619]

1 minute ago, HouTex said:

Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken.  You really are fine with murder?

When you understand that perhaps one can make a case that killing someone who ran a machine that kills people for profit....maybe isn't murder...then it's an interesting discussion.

Imagine this guy designed and built gas chambers, for profit, that were used to kill jews.  And then some jewish dude shoots him dead.  Gonna call that murder?  There's a band of circumstances you can consider, some where it's a no-brainer of a justified action, others where it's just plain old murder....and then a big band of circumstances in the middle.

There's a reason that there's been a broad social reaction of "meh" and "what did you expect?" in response to the killing of an exec of perhaps the worst health insurance company in the country.

['stache 22117]

14 minutes ago, HouTex said:

Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken.  You really are fine with murder?

Sure, why the fuck not. We've decided as a society that the rule of law and basic civility are bad so do whatever the fuck you want. I'm far more outraged by police killings and that half the country cheered on the acquital of a teenage murderer because they didn't like the people he killed so who fucking cares when its a health insurance CEO whose industry directly causes thousands of preventable deaths every day and a lot more suffering. History is littered with revolutions against the ruling classes and extreme wealth inequality. Doomscrolling on social media might be delaying the inevitable but there is a reconing coming one way or another and this asshole dying doesn't bring me an ounce of sympathy. Maybe a decade ago but we've chosen our path. Full cloak room so I'll stop there.

Edited December 10 by 'stache

[Bevo 13825]

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

When you understand that perhaps one can make a case that killing someone who ran a machine that kills people for profit....maybe isn't murder...then it's an interesting discussion.

Imagine this guy designed and built gas chambers, for profit, that were used to kill jews.  And then some jewish dude shoots him dead.  Gonna call that murder?  There's a band of circumstances you can consider, some where it's a no-brainer of a justified action, others where it's just plain old murder....and then a big band of circumstances in the middle.

There's a reason that there's been a broad social reaction of "meh" and "what did you expect?" in response to the killing of an exec of perhaps the worst health insurance company in the country.

 

 

That is quite a story barrister, quite a story.

[HouTex 1912]

1 minute ago, Bevo said:

 

 

That is quite a story barrister, quite a story.

Yep.  As a fellow member of the bar, it's hard for me to wrap my head around it.  It's time for me to leave this thread.

[Pam Cummings 9823]

13 minutes ago, HouTex said:

Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken.  You really are fine with murder?

This is an interesting question. I'd counter with this, do you think that 100% of the people that have ever been murdered didn't deserve it? Have you never seen a documentary about a very abusive person being murdered by a victim, as an example?

[Captainant 28387]

18 minutes ago, HouTex said:

Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken.  You really are fine with murder?

I mean, UHC is fine with the medical neglect of millions of people every year.

They built a fucking AI bot to systematically deny claims, and then argued in court that it was legal because the sick could simply go through their multi-year appeals process. Nevermind that many of them have perhaps months if denied care, so UHC gets to simply memory hole all their extracted sacks of capital neglected patients.

2 minutes ago, HouTex said:

Yep.  As a fellow member of the bar, it's hard for me to wrap my head around it.  It's time for me to leave this thread.

If you can't handle the ugliness of American healthcare and understand why the general response to a cold blooded murder is "meh" or even "hooray", then you must be extremely fortunate to never have a family member go through that systemic medical neglect.

Edited December 10 by Captainant

[Brisketexan 106619]

Just now, Bevo said:

 

 

That is quite a story barrister, quite a story.

Stories like that are why some of us really, really, really believe in The Rule of Law.  It's much better than the alternative.  We -- meaning the people in power, who are most likely to be among the victims of such violence -- should do all we can to make sure that we have a system that provides some measure of justice and a non-violent means of redress of grievances for everyone, so that "Rule of the Gun" doesn't become our substitute system.

You think I'm championing populist violence.  Far from it.  I'd much, much, much prefer that we opted into and built a system so that we could honestly say "violence is never justified, you have plenty of peaceful means to obtain a just outcome."  I'm just pointing out that we have opted into the opposite of that.  That was stupid.  We shouldn't have done that.  We should dramatically change course.

But I know that we won't.  We are pot-committed to our current path (remember, it only gets worse, and there is no bottom).  So, we've opted for a system where violence is inevitable.  Knowing that we've opted into that, it's hard to have sympathy for a society that is now crying "oh no, the inevitable consequences of my own actions."

[Orange&White 5563]

14 minutes ago, HouTex said:

Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken.  You really are fine with murder?

I am really, really not trying to CR this, but I am thinking of examples to fit this. Sometimes, if it suits your thoughts and beliefs, "murder" is not what you would call it.

A few months ago, there would have been a LOT of people in this country to have been OK with "murder" if a certain bullet had veered a few inches aside.

 

[Rex Kramer 1522]

58 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I'm with you on everything but the "fuck this guy."  Maybe I'll get there.  Maybe it is a true "fuck this guy" situation, and he just went the fuck off.  Want to know more about his story and motive.  I remain in the cautious territory of 

...but we'll see.  Again, if we set up a system that fucks over tens of thousands of people on matters of life and death, and that system functionally has no recourse......if it wasn't this shooter and victim, it was gonna be another shooter and victim.  Create a system that deals out death and is immune to any peaceful means of reform/correction, and you've made a violent response inevitable.

As a society, we've made that choice.  We have set up that system, and built an impenetrable wall of protection around it so that it cannot and will not change by any peaceful means.  Which means we have selected for a system where violence is the only recourse.  Dumb as hell, but that's what we've chosen.  So...

Completely in line with your purported values. You’ve lost your mind, or more likely, you’re doing this for show and attention-whoring argument sake. 

[Anastasis 23699]

Seems like a lot of work to 3d print a receiver and then forget to ditch the fucking thing before you eat-in your big mac. 

[Brisketexan 106619]

Just now, Rex Kramer said:

Completely in line with your purported values. You’ve lost your mind, or more likely, you’re doing this for show and attention-whoring argument sake. 

No.  Read my post above.

This situation -- a society where a large portion of people, and growing, sees violence as their only means of recourse, and they have a point -- IS NOT WHAT I WANT.  I DON'T WANT IT AT ALL.  We should STOP choosing to have that society, we should choose differently.

[Rex Kramer 1522]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

No.  Read my post above.

This situation -- a society where a large portion of people, and growing, sees violence as their only means of recourse, and they have a point -- IS NOT WHAT I WANT.  I DON'T WANT IT AT ALL.  We should STOP choosing to have that society, we should choose differently.

Ok. If we get to a point where UHC, the worst actor by far, changes their behavior, then I see your point. All it takes is an effective politician to change this behavior. Or corporations not choosing UHC for their group coverage because they’re cheaper than BCBS (which we just did, much to my chagrin even though I’m paying less money). It should not take the death of an executive to effect positive change, but alas here we are. 

I apologize to you. I misread you and was harsh. 

[Brisketexan 106619]

Just now, Rex Kramer said:

It should not take the death of an executive to effect positive change, but alas here we are. 

THIS.  That's the whole fucking point here.

 

[Lazarus Bocanegra 311]

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The second amendment means I am my own chief executive and commander in chief of my own military.

People always forget the well-regulated militia 

 

['stache 22117]

The worst part is that reform was almost certainly not the intended result of this, nor is it or should it be expected. I just don't fucking care anymore and have zero sympathy for the deceased.

[Samson's Wig 3222]

1 hour ago, blacklab said:

Poor guy had to use java and spark. I'd probably kill people too if I had to do that.

High school valedictorian at a prestigious prep school.  Ivy League bachelors and masters.  Ends up a Data Engineer and a cog in the tech-bro, no-value-added machine.   It's not difficult to see how a screw or two became loose.  

Edited December 10 by Samson's Wig

[crash_davis 23465]

[Js1 86940]

22 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I just don't fucking care anymore

[Anastasis 23699]

29 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Or corporations not choosing UHC for their group coverage because they’re cheaper than BCBS (which we just did, much to my chagrin even though I’m paying less money).

This is a bingo.     

[wong 26]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

When you understand that perhaps one can make a case that killing someone who ran a machine that kills people for profit....maybe isn't murder...then it's an interesting discussion.

Imagine this guy designed and built gas chambers, for profit, that were used to kill jews.  And then some jewish dude shoots him dead.  Gonna call that murder?  There's a band of circumstances you can consider, some where it's a no-brainer of a justified action, others where it's just plain old murder....and then a big band of circumstances in the middle.

There's a reason that there's been a broad social reaction of "meh" and "what did you expect?" in response to the killing of an exec of perhaps the worst health insurance company in the country.

Now imagine... he's white

[crash_davis 23465]

Supposedly pics from McD's. He looks like just some dude. Not sure how the fucking snitch knew it was HIM.

['stache 22117]

48 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Ok. If we get to a point where UHC, the worst actor by far, changes their behavior, then I see your point. All it takes is an effective politician to change this behavior. Or corporations not choosing UHC for their group coverage because they’re cheaper than BCBS (which we just did, much to my chagrin even though I’m paying less money). It should not take the death of an executive to effect positive change, but alas here we are. 

I apologize to you. I misread you and was harsh. 

 

10 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

This is a bingo.     

Wait, are you seriously suggesting that the fix to this country's healthcare debacle is to ask large corporate employers, most of whom report to shareholders, to care enough about their employees and push for a change to the current system of health insurance, which themselves report to . . . shareholders? Maybe I'm interepreting this incorrectly, but if you think that's a solution, I can only just sit here befuddled and let out a lot of very nervous and angry laughter.

Edited December 10 by 'stache

[Anastasis 23699]

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

 

Wait, are you seriously suggesting that the fix to this country's healthcare debacle is to ask large corporate employers, most of whom report to shareholders, to care enough about their employees and push for a change to the current system of health insurance, which themselves report to . . . shareholders? Maybe I'm interepreting this incorrectly, but if you think that's a solution, I can only just sit here befuddled and let out a lot of very nervous and angry laughter.

I think that health insurance needs to be completely decoupled from employment. But that's another matter altogether.

[4th and 5 4997]

2 hours ago, B00M said:

I think so. Those and “solvent traps” … I don’t Google that shit because I like my dog. 

seen one, had to explain to my friend about federal PMITAP laws

1 hour ago, Herbie Hancock said:

I’ve seen a potato used twice; a suicide and a murder, and both times it was extremely effective.

in a row???

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

When you understand that perhaps one can make a case that killing someone who ran a machine that kills people for profit....maybe isn't murder...then it's an interesting discussion.

Imagine this guy designed and built gas chambers, for profit, that were used to kill jews.  And then some jewish dude shoots him dead.  Gonna call that murder?  There's a band of circumstances you can consider, some where it's a no-brainer of a justified action, others where it's just plain old murder....and then a big band of circumstances in the middle.

There's a reason that there's been a broad social reaction of "meh" and "what did you expect?" in response to the killing of an exec of perhaps the worst health insurance company in the country.

it's just a really long self defense argument

1 hour ago, HouTex said:

Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken.  You really are fine with murder?

"some folks just need killing" is an oft heard phrase in my line of work

1 hour ago, Orange&White said:

I am really, really not trying to CR this, but I am thinking of examples to fit this. Sometimes, if it suits your thoughts and beliefs, "murder" is not what you would call it.

A few months ago, there would have been a LOT of people in this country to have been OK with "murder" if a certain bullet had veered a few inches aside.

 

OK with? more like rejoice, but condemn

19 minutes ago, wong said:

Now imagine... he's white

beat me to the punch, thanks

[Parliament 14559]

18 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Supposedly pics from McD's. He looks like just some dude. Not sure how the fucking snitch knew it was HIM.

Some Karen was calling 911 on very young adult white male she saw.  Finally got a hit

On 12/4/2024 at 2:26 PM, Anastasis said:

 

 

43 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Schizophrenia often comes on in the early 20’s I think?  Dude mighta been just a regular person whose brain just fell apart.  Not his fault there.  Biology.

Eta

Not his fault he came down with a serious mental disorder.  He needs to be tried and convicted of murder just the same. 

Edited December 10 by Parliament

[PvilleStang 2974]

1 hour ago, Pam Cummings said:

This is an interesting question. I'd counter with this, do you think that 100% of the people that have ever been murdered didn't deserve it? Have you never seen a documentary about a very abusive person being murdered by a victim, as an example?

[Brian Fantana 6856]

4 hours ago, MAUFRAIS said:

Whatever happened to that dude here in Austin who was a figure in the printed gun movement then went to jail for underage hookers? Haven’t heard about him since. As I remember he kind of looked like baker mayfield.

Is it the same dude that lives in Thailand and used to post here in the DT every day and brag about all the underage girlfriends he had?

[Skipper 6406]

So we have educated posters on this board now condoning or attempting to explain away premeditated murder.   Fuck that.   And fuck this loser murdering kid.

[Pam Cummings 9823]

2 minutes ago, PvilleStang said:

Or what about the guy who murdered the dude who was molesting his son? The one where he just shoots the guy as they're taking him through the airport? Is that guy an asshole? Or is it understandable?

[Aqua Buddha 14782]

49 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Let's be honest.  He's hot and therefore he has a greater that 0% of getting off on this, especially if youngish white women like Poppy are in the jury pool.

[PvilleStang 2974]

1 minute ago, Skipper said:

So we have educated posters on this board now condoning or attempting to explain away premeditated murder.   Fuck that.   And fuck this loser murdering kid.

You seem surprised to see assholes amongst us...

[Brian Fantana 6856]

2 minutes ago, Skipper said:

So we have educated posters on this board now condoning or attempting to explain away premeditated murder.   Fuck that.   And fuck this loser murdering kid.

Boo hoo bitch

[OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys 2153]

2 minutes ago, Skipper said:

So we have educated posters on this board now condoning or attempting to explain away premeditated murder.   Fuck that.   And fuck this loser murdering kid.

[Skipper 6406]

Got it.  So first degree murder now fine and dandy as long as you agree with the political or social motivations behind the killing. Victim not alleged to have done anything illegal?  Fuck him - worked for an evil corporation so he deserved it.  2 kids left without a father?  Fuck them too.  Pathetic. 

I have no doubt we'll see some massive hypocrisy from several posters when this plays out under a different set of facts and the killing does not align with their personal political/social belief systems.  

[Brian Fantana 6856]

[rage-a-holic 4712]

poor girl only has one hole, no wonder she's so horny

[workswithseed 2201]

2 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

They can have my flesh light when they pry it from my cold, dead, sticky hands.

2 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

They can have my flesh light when they pry it from my cold, dead, sticky hands.

2 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

They can have my flesh light when they pry it from my cold, dead, sticky hands.

2 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

They can have my flesh light when they pry it from my cold, dead, sticky hands.

2 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

They can have my flesh light when they pry it from my cold, dead, sticky hands.

2 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

They can have my flesh light when they pry it from my cold, dead, sticky hands.

[rage-a-holic 4712]

22 minutes ago, Skipper said:

So we have educated posters on this board now condoning or attempting to explain away premeditated murder.   Fuck that.   And fuck this loser murdering kid.

We just need a few copycats to start murdering rich windbag lawyers and software engineers. We'll definitely see a sharp drop in murder support around here.

[Orange&White 5563]

1 minute ago, rage-a-holic said:

We just need a few copycats to start murdering rich windbag lawyers and software engineers. We'll definitely see a sharp drop in murder support around here.

 

[crash_davis 23465]

In the early 90s, I managed a Worker's Comp program for a UT system medical school. UT-System is self insured. Residents were getting pin pricks. They were filing for AZT drugs. My leadership in Austin were denying the claims and requests. I was hearing from Residents crying about being denied the drugs. I felt like absolute dogshit. For my mental and moral health, I turned down a promotion w/in the group and left for an outside job.

I can assuredly say I will never get shot for selling out my soul to make a few bucks. 

So you'll forgive me if I have no sympathy for the former CEO. Consequences sometimes happen, deserving has nothing to do with it.

Edited December 10 by crash_davis

[PvilleStang 2974]

15 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Got it.  So first degree murder now fine and dandy as long as you agree with the political or social motivations behind the killing. Victim not alleged to have done anything illegal?  Fuck him - worked for an evil corporation so he deserved it.  2 kids left without a father?  Fuck them too.  Pathetic. 

I have no doubt we'll see some massive hypocrisy from several posters when this plays out under a different set of facts and the killing does not align with their personal political/social belief systems.  

TBF, sounds like the father was absent already.  Husband and wife in separate houses...

[PvilleStang 2974]

6 minutes ago, rage-a-holic said:

We just need a few copycats to start murdering rich windbag lawyers and software engineers. We'll definitely see a sharp drop in murder support around here.

 

 

TJH would like to have a word, sir...

[Orange&White 5563]

4 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

In the early 90s, I managed a Worker's Comp program for a UT system medical school. UT-System is self insured. Residents were getting pin pricks. They were filing for AZT drugs. My leadership in Austin were denying the claims and requests. I was hearing from Residents crying about being denied the drugs. I felt like absolute dogshit. For my mental and moral health, I turned down a promotion w/in the group and left for an outside job.

I can assuredly say I will never get shot for selling out my soul to make a few bucks. 

So you'll forgive me if I have no sympathy for the former CEO. Consequences sometimes happen, deserving has nothing to do with it.

 

[0xdeadbeef 1695]

37 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Supposedly pics from McD's. He looks like just some dude. Not sure how the fucking snitch knew it was HIM.

 

My internal bullshit detector is starting to go off.

The Pennsylvania State Police release the above photos which would almost have to be from a body cam. So this is exactly what the officer saw.   How does the above photos mesh with the earlier photos and this quote:

https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/luigi-mangione-altoona-mcdonalds-hero-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting/

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Frye, who has been with the department for about six months, and his partner responded to the McDonald's after the 911 call. Frye said as soon as Mangione removed his mask, he "recognized him immediately."

The is no way on Gods Green Earth that you could "recognized him immediately".  Maybe LEO were given additional photos. Perhaps if they had already figured out his name, they might have distributed other photos...Seems unlikely since we haven't heard about that.  

I'm now starting to wonder about the 911 call and if it actually even exists.  Will be curious if it even exists. 

 

[Orale 1176]

15 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Got it.  So first degree murder now fine and dandy as long as you agree with the political or social motivations behind the killing. Victim not alleged to have done anything illegal?  Fuck him - worked for an evil corporation so he deserved it.  2 kids left without a father?  Fuck them too.  Pathetic. 

I have no doubt we'll see some massive hypocrisy from several posters when this plays out under a different set of facts and the killing does not align with their personal political/social belief systems.  

Is your argument that people whose family members needlessly die or suffer in agony because of assholes like the UHC guy should just lay back and take it? Sorry pal, that's just the system we have, nothing you can do about it. Maybe submit a letter of concern on your congressperson's website?

It seems you have no problem with corporate murder, but blanche at the thought of a citizen punishing a key player in that system. Fuck off with that pearl clutching. It's not murder if it's justified. 

[Captainant 28387]

22 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Victim not alleged to have done anything illegal?

Not that vigilante justice is what should be happening, but this fuckstick is absolutely alleged to have done illegal things

https://insurancenewsnet.com/innarticle/thompson-unitedhealth-kept-probe-secret-and-misled-investors-lawsuit-claims

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/lawsuits-unitedhealth-executives-brian-thompson-insider-trading-allegations/89-0bcd0da2-5660-4db1-bcea-c751ec691af6

For example, UHC was taking in billions in payments for in-home health assessments and care, and then never followed up with care. At least according to the Office of the Inspector General.

[B00M 6725]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Seems like a lot of work to 3d print a receiver and then forget to ditch the fucking thing before you eat-in your big mac. 

It is! They’re labors of love that require some intelligence and craftsmanship which is undoubtedly why you basically never see them used in crimes. 99% of criminals will find it easier to steal one or buy it privately. For him to plan this all out and then keep the smoking 👻 gun on him suggests that he wanted to be caught.