CEO of UHG Shot and Killed in NYC - WTF is wrong with you New York

[bolverk 30313]

2 hours ago, HouTex said:

Yep.  As a fellow member of the bar, it's hard for me to wrap my head around it.  It's time for me to leave this thread.

Puhleeze.

Below we have YOU, a member of the bar, liking a comment from another fellow member of the bar, applauding a call for ethnic cleansing -- a fucking war crime.

It's kind of rich that you're more concerned with a single dead executive than you are with 2 million people, ~45,000 of whom are now dead a little over a year later.

https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/topic/32512-israel-hamas-war-thread/?do=findComment&comment=5606792

 

[Orale 1178]

1 minute ago, bolverk said:

Puhleeze.

Below we have YOU, a member of the bar, liking a comment from another fellow member of the bar, applauding a call for ethnic cleansing -- a fucking war crime.

It's kind of rich that you're more concerned with a single dead executive than you are with 2 million people, ~45,000 of whom are now dead a little over a year later.

https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/topic/32512-israel-hamas-war-thread/?do=findComment&comment=5606792

 

[Beau Vine 55859]

1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

Supposedly pics from McD's. He looks like just some dude. Not sure how the fucking snitch knew it was HIM.

Probably some MAGAtard just called the police on him because he was wearing a mask inside.

[orange dream 1295]

Certainly assuming there is some element of mental illness in play.  Really odd, that the guy who has 2 ivy league degrees decides to hang out in Pennsyltucky (couple of hours from home and 4 hours from the scene of the crime) while keeping the murder weapon and the fake ID on him (along with a few other IDs, if I understood correctly).  Why not, shave part of the unibrow, cut / bleach your hair?  He's bound to have known his images had been captured / shared everywhere.  I could understand if he had been constantly on the move but it seems like he probably arrived there within a day or two and just decided no one would ever look for him there.  On top of that, who eats inside a McDonald's???  You get that shit to go!!

[workswithseed 2204]

4 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Probably some MAGAtard just called the police on him because he was wearing a mask inside.

That's just funny. "They called police on me for not wearing one. Well look how the table turns."

[RDCanecutter 26871]

13 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Puhleeze.

Below we have YOU, a member of the bar, liking a comment from another fellow member of the bar, applauding a call for ethnic cleansing -- a fucking war crime.

It's kind of rich that you're more concerned with a single dead executive than you are with 2 million people, ~45,000 of whom are now dead a little over a year later.

https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/topic/32512-israel-hamas-war-thread/?do=findComment&comment=5606792

 

^^^ That's my lawyer.

[Skipper 6411]

Let's see if you all have this same big dick energy about 'righteous homicide' the next time some religious nutjob takes out a doctor performing a legal abortion.  We either live in a lawful society or we don't.  

[Helobious 9817]

1 minute ago, Skipper said:

Let's see if you all have this same big dick energy about 'righteous homicide' the next time some religious nutjob takes out a doctor performing a legal abortion.  We either live in a lawful society or we don't.  

You’d be ok with that. This is just a large part of the country’s version of that. I don’t get why that’s hard to understand for you. 

['stache 22131]

3 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Let's see if you all have this same big dick energy about 'righteous homicide' the next time some religious nutjob takes out a doctor performing a legal abortion.  We either live in a lawful society or we don't.  

Spoiler Alert: We don't. 

[Brian Fantana 6862]

5 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Let's see if you all have this same big dick energy about 'righteous homicide' the next time some religious nutjob takes out a doctor performing a legal abortion.  We either live in a lawful society or we don't.  

Skipper on Surly today:

['stache 22131]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

I think that health insurance needs to be completely decoupled from employment. But that's another matter altogether.

Cool. I'm sure if we just ask the people in Washington nicely they'll help us change the system. The people have spoken, the trans girl playing volleyball out west is a far more important outrage. 

Edited December 10 by 'stache

[hookemATL 12240]

1 minute ago, Skipper said:

we don't. 

You're starting to get it!  We are not a polite, lawful, or "civilized" society.  Adjust your expectations accordingly.

Plenty of folks have listed their reasoning, not their fault you've parsed their words poorly or ignored the context in which they have presented their views.  Additionally, this is Surly so there is always a degree of edgelording and misanthropy for a thread/event like this.  I often think of an alternate universe where we could have liveblogged/Surly'ed 9/11 as it happened, just for the raw emotion and the way too soon comments/jokes. (though I am sure that thread exists somewhere in the previous Texas sports related message boards).

Embrace the dark.  Just like Helen Keller.

[bolverk 30313]

3 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Let's see if you all have this same big dick energy about 'righteous homicide' the next time some religious nutjob takes out a doctor performing a legal abortion.  We either live in a lawful society or we don't.  

The example you provided is that of a nutjob killing a doctor over something that he had no business butting into. 

Your analogy would be more fitting if it were the husband of the patient murdering the doctor over an intentionally botched abortion that resulted in his wife's death. 

 

[SubliminalHorn 7007]

10 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Let's see if you all have this same big dick energy about 'righteous homicide' the next time some religious nutjob takes out a doctor performing a legal abortion.  We either live in a lawful society or we don't.  

We don’t live in one. We have a convicted felon as president elect. Americans have decided they don’t care about the law so 🤷🏽‍♂️

[G650 14437]

12 minutes ago, Skipper said:

We either live in a lawful society or we don't.  

What fucking century are you living in holmes. Lol.

[OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys 2153]

 

He was a FATHER!  For SHAME!

[workswithseed 2204]

9 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Spoiler Alert: We don't. 

One day people will stop playing the government's charade of electing people. We don't care about laws already. 

[Skipper 6411]

14 minutes ago, Helobious said:

You’d be ok with that. This is just a large part of the country’s version of that. I don’t get why that’s hard to understand for you. 

Fuck no I wouldn't be ok with that.  WTF

[Orange&White 5573]

18 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Let's see if you all have this same big dick energy about 'righteous homicide' the next time some religious nutjob takes out a doctor performing a legal abortion.  We either live in a lawful society or we don't.  

What about Bob Stoops? Is it ok to be happy about that?

[Skipper 6411]

6 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

We don’t live in one. We have a convicted felon as president elect. Americans have decided they don’t care about the law so 🤷🏽‍♂️

I think this is what it boils down to for many on this board and angry social media in general.  The person you (and I) wanted to win the election didn't so now just blow it all up.  I think it's a pretty pathetic position to take as allegedly educated and productive members of society but that's just me.

[choripan 796]

Umm hello, @Brisketexan are you working or something? You're supposed to make some variation on the same post every page in this thread, no?

(Which I totally align with, so keep posting away!)

[DigglerontheHoof 21548]

1 hour ago, Skipper said:

So we have educated posters on this board now condoning or attempting to explain away premeditated murder.   Fuck that.   And fuck this loser murdering kid.

Fuck the psychopath he murdered exponentially more. 

['stache 22131]

5 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I think this is what it boils down to for many on this board and angry social media in general.  The person you (and I) wanted to win the election didn't so now just blow it all up.  I think it's a pretty pathetic position to take as allegedly educated and productive members of society but that's just me.

I mean, what else is there? It's not just someone whose policy positions are disagreeable to some. It's someone with zero policy positions, multiple crimes and convictions, and who won on rhetoric of hatred towards large swaths of people who are about to face a world of hurt. Oh, and its the side that calls anything that might change the health insurance system socialist traitors. So yeah, blow it the fuck up, the side that at least tried to hold to the rule of law lost, by a lot. It's already been blown up. I literally don't care anymore if the response is violence, the alternative has failed. 

Edit: Since it's become full CR, and healthcare is the topic, the "person we didn't want to win who won" is appointing an anti-vaxxer to lead the country's policy on health and human services. Let that sink in for a moment. This isn't ordinary policy disagreements, things have already blown the fuck up, both sides-ing the tactics doesn't bother me anymore. 

Edited December 10 by 'stache

[Gatorubet 30710]

3 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

A potato makes an excellent suppressor.

Shit! How many people has Dan Quayle assassinated by now?

[Brisketexan 106874]

1 minute ago, Skipper said:

I think this is what it boils down to for many on this board and angry social media in general.  The person you (and I) wanted to win the election didn't so now just blow it all up.  I think it's a pretty pathetic position to take as allegedly educated and productive members of society but that's just me.

Dude.  The issue of whether we live in a society with a functioning Rule of Law and mechanisms for an actual effective peaceful redress of grievances is MUCH larger than and predates TFG and his election.  Yeah, there's perhaps one side of the political spectrum that pushes harder to make and keep things out of balance, but it's not like they're alone, and it's not like this isn't broadly systemic.

We, as a society, have, over decades....built a terrible system of healthcare that traps people between the scylla and charibdis of "financial ruin/bankruptcy" and "die because you can't afford necessary medical care."  And as a bonus, we reward a shitload of individuals with fabulous, multi-million dollar wealth for creating and maintaining that system.  And to top it off, we make it functionally impossible for individuals to resolve their specific, individual issues with that system, or for society as a whole to change that system. 

Toss all of those things in a stewpot, and you you've got a system that fucks people to the point of financial ruin or death--take your pick--for massive profits, and there's nothing you can do about it.

I asked this earlier in the thread, but I'll ask it again: when the bolded statement is true....what outcome did you expect?

Pick up most any history book.  From nation states to tribal societies, if you create a system that creates fabulous wealth for a very small group, not just leaving everyone else to suffer, but actually profiting from their suffering....what eventually happens?  Like, it's the eventual outcome 100% of the time.  So, in the present case, knowing how humanity and history work.....what did you expect to happen?

[G650 14437]

10 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I think this is what it boils down to for many on this board and angry social media in general.  The person you (and I) wanted to win the election didn't so now just blow it all up.  I think it's a pretty pathetic position to take as allegedly educated and productive members of society but that's just me.

Man you think this is about an election? Jesus. There's literally no recourse in the system against corporate interests. Because we made it this way, people are going to snap like this because there is literally nothing else that can be done. Politicians sure aren't doing anything.

 

Edit: Just read what @Brisketexan wrote

Edited December 10 by G650

[Brisketexan 106874]

1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

Shit! How many people has Dan Quayle assassinated by now?

None.  He would have used a potatoe, you moron.

[Gatorubet 30710]

10 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I think this is what it boils down to for many on this board and angry social media in general.  The person you (and I) wanted to win the election didn't so now just blow it all up.  I think it's a pretty pathetic position to take as allegedly educated and productive members of society but that's just me.

Uh….were you referring to Surly?

[Anastasis 23716]

Some posters here are legit like three strings away from running out corporate assassinations because their party ran another shitty candidate against Trump and lost. 

[RDCanecutter 26871]

6 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I think this is what it boils down to for many on this board and angry social media in general.  The person you (and I) wanted to win the election didn't so now just blow it all up.  I think it's a pretty pathetic position to take as allegedly educated and productive members of society but that's just me.

You are right. But I see this murder getting a similar reaction no matter who won the election. Think about the reaction when some parent snuffs a child molester. There is a level of loathsomeness that if attained by a victim, nobody cares. Seems like Insurance CEO snuck over the wire into "child molester" territory, if molesting children were technically legal. I didn't think about them at all before, probably because my insurance is not complete shit. Those with shit insurance appear to feel differently.

[Bevo 13870]

9 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I mean, what else is there? It's not just someone whose policy positions are disagreeable to some. It's someone with zero policy positions, multiple crimes and convictions, and who won on rhetoric of hatred towards large swaths of people who are about to face a world of hurt. Oh, and its the side that calls anything that might change the health insurance system socialist traitors. So yeah, blow it the fuck up, the side that at least tried to hold to the rule of law lost, by a lot. It's already been blown up. I literally don't care anymore if the response is violence, the alternative has failed. 

['stache 22131]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Some posters here are legit like three strings away from running out corporate assassinations because their party ran another shitty candidate against Trump and lost. 

You know goddamned fucking well the "quality of the candidate" had nothing to do with anything, and of course you only hold one side to this standard either way. Antivaxers for health and human services and pro wrestling executives to head education, way better than someone whose policy on what exactly was problematic? Inflation? Gas prices? Gaza? I see you're still sticking to your guns on disingenuious bullshit. 

2 minutes ago, Bevo said:

I heard her laugh once and didn't like it, I guess we got what we deserved.

[Schulz2.0 29280]

[workswithseed 2204]

2 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

I mean we already do, Elon Musk thread out front should have told you that.

[Helobious 9817]

10 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Some posters here are legit like three strings away from running out corporate assassinations because their party ran another shitty candidate against Trump and lost. 

His political beliefs are unknown but the shooter was from a very wealthy family and had several relatives in the Maryland Republican party. He also had JD Vance’s book on his goodreads list. This shit goes beyond politics. If an educated and by all accounts successful rich kid can lose his mind at the health insurance industry after a fucked up back surgery anyone can. 

[ChiTownDoc 21345]

18 hours ago, Covri said:

What if, now hear me out cuz this gonna get a bit speculative. What if the killer set up Luigi to be the ultimate fall guy? Catfished him into coming to New York staying at a hostel, traveling places by bus in an elaborate game of catch me if you can for intimate reasons. All the while the catfisher was plotting to kill the United guy, and frame Luigi. Luigi’s family was the care facility owner, that wronged said catfisher a long with the united insurance guy,  and he plotted Luigi take the fall. All the catfisher had to do was get off that first bus and get a rental to follow Luigi until the right moment. That moment was a McDonald’s known for old timers hanging out. It’s like a Michael Crichton novel he added his name to, but didn’t write.

#surlydetective

Nicole has a sock?  And it’s my ‘guy’ Covri?

18 hours ago, Angry Gorilla said:

Wop Nicole

Nevermind. Nicole is definitely in her bunk…

[Orale 1178]

15 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Some posters here are legit like three strings away from running out corporate assassinations because their party ran another shitty candidate against Trump and lost. 

Give me a fucking break. There are plenty of corporatist Democrats who are just as beholden to our broken healthcare system as the GOP. This issue transcends party. Attribute it to a single election all you want, doesn't make it so. 

[Gatorubet 30710]

50 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Let's see if you all have this same big dick energy about 'righteous homicide' the next time some religious nutjob takes out a doctor performing a legal abortion.  We either live in a lawful society or we don't.  

Sometimes things are clear. Sometimes things are various graduations of gray.  Not moving to the back of the bus is not an assassination.  Being forced to sit in the back of the bus is not the same as legitimate healthcare being denied your loved one…and so they die.

And there is this: the  electorate of the country just said we don’t really give a shit about the rule of law.   You might be engaged in some old timey type thinking.

Edited December 10 by Gatorubet

[Anastasis 23716]

Just now, Orale said:

Give me a fucking break. There are plenty of corporatist Democrats who are just as beholden to our broken healthcare system as the GOP. This issue transcends party. Attribute it to a single election all you want, doesn't make it so. 

I think that there are some other posters on this page that need to be talked off the cliff, not me. 

[Iceman 2978]

Seems the bombing of abortion clinics has gained approval from a lot of folks around here.

Interesting 4-5 days.

Edited December 10 by Iceman

[SubliminalHorn 7007]

We are close to becoming, or already have become, a full blown oligarchy. The top 4 richest men are now worth a TRILLION dollars. I think I saw that 12 years ago the top 4 were worth 74 billion. 74 billion to a trillion in a little over a decade. That’s not sustainable.

[workswithseed 2204]

6 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Seems the bombing of abortion clinics has gained approval from a lot of folks around here.

Interesting 4-5 days.

 

[aggie08 21792]

A lot of y'all may want to consider taking a break from the internet for the holidays.

['stache 22131]

20 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Seems the bombing of abortion clinics has gained approval from a lot of folks around here.

Interesting 4-5 days.

Um, they've been cheered on by at least half the country for decades now, again, what world have you been living in?

[ConferenceRoom 6214]

1 hour ago, hookemATL said:

You're starting to get it!  We are not a polite, lawful, or "civilized" society.  Adjust your expectations accordingly.

Plenty of folks have listed their reasoning, not their fault you've parsed their words poorly or ignored the context in which they have presented their views.  Additionally, this is Surly so there is always a degree of edgelording and misanthropy for a thread/event like this.  I often think of an alternate universe where we could have liveblogged/Surly'ed 9/11 as it happened, just for the raw emotion and the way too soon comments/jokes. (though I am sure that thread exists somewhere in the previous Texas sports related message boards).

Embrace the dark.  Just like Helen Keller.

 

[B00M 6729]

And here.. we.. go.. 

 

[Iceman 2978]

16 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Um, they've been cheered on by at least half the country for decades now, again, what world have you been living in?

wrong.  Neither case is legal.  

being anti-abortion=/= pro-bombing.  Take your brush down a few pegs.  However,  the fact that you are partially correct is exactly the point of my initial comment.

Edited December 10 by Iceman

[SubliminalHorn 7007]

10 minutes ago, B00M said:

And here.. we.. go.. 

 

Just as our Founders would have wanted 

[The Dog 44854]

 

[workswithseed 2204]

17 minutes ago, B00M said:

And here.. we.. go.. 

 

Crazy how the British have an easier time getting a suppressor than Americans. Founders rolling in their graves over this.