CEO of UHG Shot and Killed in NYC - WTF is wrong with you New York

[Anastasis 23569]

9 minutes ago, locodos said:

It's not a stretch to think this guy bought gun private party to use for murder or bought/fashioned a suppressor for a different gun.

If so this will be very easy to trace, assuming it was not smuggled into the country. 

[ztejas 43899]

This is some Batman villain type shit. 

[locodos 5534]

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

If so this will be very easy to trace, assuming it was not smuggled into the country. 

How would you trace a homemade suppressor?  

 

My money is on this guy not being a pro, I think he doesn't give a shit, but at the same time he's not a complete moron and would like to get away with it.   total guess.  Time will tell, or perhaps not.

Edited Wednesday at 07:47 PM by locodos

[chainsaw 10143]

7 minutes ago, ztejas said:

This is some Batman villain type shit. 

I'm getting more of a Hugo Weaving from Slow Horses vibe.

[DDD Dad 14458]

2 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

 

Nvm found it.

 

Edited Wednesday at 08:56 PM by DDD Dad

[Anastasis 23569]

4 minutes ago, locodos said:

How would you trace a homemade suppressor?  

I am working under the assessment offered upthread that the gun was a BT bolt action integrally suppressed handgun. The video is 100% compatible with that assessment, including the shooter working the bolt. But we could certainly find out that that was not the weapon used. 

[Aqua Buddha 14719]

41 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Why would someone want a manual cycled hand gun?

 

[ChiTownDoc 21308]

52 minutes ago, Herpa Derpa said:

50 years on the planet. Married with kids. Taking in at least $10 mil a year. Top of your heap. Walking tall. And then you feel a pain in your leg and poof you're gone.

Yep he’s lucky af.  He should have had life threatening injuries then get denied all kinds of rehab/meds/DME etc.  That’s the American dream this POS and others in his industry have created.  

[locodos 5534]

10 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am working under the assessment offered upthread that the gun was a BT bolt action integrally suppressed handgun. The video is 100% compatible with that assessment, including the shooter working the bolt. But we could certainly find out that that was not the weapon used. 

fair enough.  My point was it could be fab'd  something like a Ruger Mark IV with a homemade suppressor.   

 

I can't make out much of the gun in that video other than it's black, the barrel is long, and he appears to be racking it.

[Al Czervik 1255]

35 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Man's got to have a code

Having a code goes well beyond the RepoMan.  

[Pato del Muerto 53050]

You never see any lever action handguns.  Unmet market need there. 

[Herpa Derpa 6194]

38 minutes ago, Helobious said:

He completely ignored that lady witness that was standing right there and let her run away. Would a “pro” do that? 

A pro knows that woman will not be able to provide a single bit of evidence not already captured on video. And he positioned himself with apparent knowledge of the camera angle, another sign it's a pro. A pro does the job without concern for the plebians. Not to mention killing an innocent bystander can bring a lot more heat than the target alone.

As noted, the shock of it all generally makes an eyewitness worthless for meaningful leads. Do the job and quietly walk away and they'll be remembering the wrong height and hair color before you've turned the corner. /pro tip

[Anastasis 23569]

Just now, locodos said:

I can't make out much of the gun in that video other than it's black, the barrel is long, and he appears to be racking it.

Agree that the video is not totally clear, but if you watching the racking motion in the video and compare it to the motion used in the youtube video on the B&T, it is virtually identical. He tilts it and racks it every time he shoots it. Could be failure to cycle an autoloader based on using subsonic rounds, but the racking motion would generally be different. I think that Brian got it right earlier. We'll find out eventually. 

[Pato del Muerto 53050]

Do pros take their gins with them to dump later?  Shouldn’t they be using a clean gun that they can just drop at the scene, or is it still worth hiding/ditching elsewhere instead?

[Bevo 13677]

I had no clue this was going to end up being such a big deal when I did the OP. Very unique to see what appears to be a professional hit.

[Bevo 13677]

Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

Do pros take their gins with them to dump later?  Shouldn’t they be using a clean gun that they can just drop at the scene, or is it still worth hiding/ditching elsewhere instead?

 

I don't know these things, but if he had a similar gun in his bag and then dumped the one used in the shooting, it seems like it could really fuck up the investigation if he were to be caught.

[HiggyBaby 2581]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

That shooter is a cool character under pressure.   The stereotype is someone doing this out of rage would probably panic after the first jam.

 

CRAZY shit.

Seems like maybe a dad who lost a child due to denied claims. This is right out of a  John Grisham novel. 
 

[Aqua Buddha 14719]

4 minutes ago, Bevo said:

I had no clue this was going to end up being such a big deal when I did the OP. Very unique to see what appears to be a professional hit.

If it's a pro, then it could be any number of things besides a disgruntled patient, although it could be that as well.  Might have owed the wrong guy money.

Drugs, sex, or money....

[SurlyGator 929]

1 hour ago, SurlyGator said:

I follow @DGlaucomflecken on socials for medical humor, and he regularly trashes insurance companies in general, and UHC specifically.  He's an ophthalmologist that survived a sudden cardiac arrest, and afterwards his insurance company denied charges from the intensivist who they claimed was out of network, even though the hospital was in network.  Not like he had a choice which intensivist treated him when he was unconscious.  He proceeded to crucify them on social media.

Not sure he has the Surly brand of dark humor to address this development specifically, though. 

Another detail I just remembered - he created so much negative publicity for the insurance company they made it go away by forcing the physician to write off the hospital to pressure the intensivist to write off the charge.  As a physician himself, that just made him even more mad, because he knew the guy had a valid right to be paid for services rendered, but the system had everyone involved by the short and curlies.

[ztejas 43899]

29 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I'm getting more of a Hugo Weaving from Slow Horses vibe.

Idk I'm sticking with the dark comic-book angle. Harvey Dent would have fucked this guy's shit up. 

"Manual cycle? You want to kill a Healthcare CEO I recommend you buy semi-automatic."

[Anastasis 23569]

10 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

but if you watching the racking motion in the video and compare it to the motion used in the youtube video on the B&T, it is virtually identical.

I take this back. Watched the video a few more times and this is certainly not "virtually identical". Appears his racking motion in more in line with a semi-auto that is failing to cycle.

[Incredulity 11789]

Map of gunmans route after shooting

https://nypost.com/2024/12/04/us-news/ceo-of-unitedhealthcare-fatally-shot-outside-of-hilton-hotel-in-nyc-in-possible-targeted-attack-sources/

 

Just now, Anastasis said:

I take this back. Watched the video a few more times and this is certainly not "virtually identical". Appears his racking motion in more in line with a semi-auto that is failing to cycle.

this is how I see it as well.  doesn't look like the twist motion in the videos.

[Texzilla58 4756]

Certainly a pro or well trained shooter who pulled this off very calmly.  A civilian doing this over a some denied claim or death of a loved one would be emotional and want to face him while he was shooting him on the ground, yelling at him exacting vengeance.  So to me it’s a pro.  
 

cool as a cucumber. Dressed in a common morning outfit.  Supposedly waiting near the hotel and then ent up behind him.  One in the shin, the rest in the torso.  Kept his brass.  Walked down the street and hopped on a e-bike Likely into Central Park, change the hoodie, and head out.  A suppressed weapon with subsonic ammo would hardly be heard in the general din of nyc.

Probably because the Gambino Family moved their health plan to UHC and got a big premium increase and higher deductibles.  
 

wife said he said to her he was getting “threats”.  I’d be looking into his love life first.  Maybe he was going to trade her in on an upgrade.  

Edited Wednesday at 08:25 PM by Texzilla58

[Brisketexan 105979]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

Map of gunmans route after shooting

https://nypost.com/2024/12/04/us-news/ceo-of-unitedhealthcare-fatally-shot-outside-of-hilton-hotel-in-nyc-in-possible-targeted-attack-sources/

 

A-HA!   So we have a suspect now:

 

[Anastasis 23569]

Just now, Texzilla58 said:

Certainly a pro or well trained shooter who pulled this off very calmly

Racking talk not going away, but if this was a pro, I think that he would have the right hardware setup to cycle suppressed reliably. He has to cycle it for every shot. If its a bolt action, pro; semi-auto failing to cycle, amateur. Who knows.  

[Incredulity 11789]

I would assume the park has significantly less camera coverage, so probably another indication of a professional.

or someone who has played a bunch of Hitman on his xbox

[raw dog 4]

 

 

 

 

[wildcat09 29469]

2 minutes ago, raw dog said:

 

 

 

 

Narc.

[0xdeadbeef 1659]

NYC has had a gunshot detection system for at least a decade. Using a silencer and a subsonic round probably gave the shooter an extra minute before cops were rolling. 

Interesting that the above graphic says he got on a Citibike.  I assume those aren't free. The only time I've rented a bike required me to download an app and validate my phone number.  Either he's stupid and will be caught before the end of the day, or he thought it through.  It's not really rocket science: A prepaid burner phone,  a fake gmail,  and one of the anonymous gift Visa cards.   

 

 

[chainsaw 10143]

They were probably going to pay him a visit. Suspicious guy scraping the same data the detectives were probably interested in?

[chainsaw 10143]

It's fun to speculate but I would push back, for now, on jumping to the conclusion that he's a "pro."

He had calm demeanor because he had probably accepted his own fate at the time he planned this all out. He expects, and maybe even wants, to be caught. Most likely he has taken his own life, and there's going to be a manifesto of some kind.

[tx 3 putt 78071]

4 hours ago, texasdago said:

If he had survived, I wonder if UnitedHealthcare would have denied his claim

 

im sure he had much better insurance 

[CooterBrown 18199]

If all CEOs were under a constant threat of assassination, it could be really good for the consumer.

 

[tx 3 putt 78071]

3 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Based on the pictures, that’s a straight up assassination. 
 

Suspect is seen in a textbook firing stance. This wasn’t a mugging. 

a pros, pro 

damn slick work here. probably got paid in bitcoin 

[billfromlaketravis 11709]

2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

a pros, pro 

damn slick work here. probably got paid in bitcoin 

So basically The Day of the Jackal. 

[Hagbard Celine 11052]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

It's a $2300 gun and subject to ATF approval to purchase. Assuming he didn't get it off the black market (unlikely imo), we're talking a few months on the waitlist and jumping through the ATF hoops. It is probably a relatively easy purchase to trace. Can't imagine there are a lot of these in circulation, niche gun, limited imports.  

/cuban takes note

[BabaYaga 15443]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

Why would someone want a manual cycled hand gun?

Same benefits of a revolver.  No identifiable brass that can be tied back to the pistol.  In this case, sub-sonic 22's are basically an empty shell case with the primer providing the gas pressure.  It's enough to fire, but "normal" semi-auto's won't cycle the round and it can jam inside the gun.  You also have sound concerns.  The cocking of a revolvers hammer and the striking of the firing pin.  The cycling of a semi-auto bolt is actually not all that quiet either.

[BabaYaga 15443]

36 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I take this back. Watched the video a few more times and this is certainly not "virtually identical". Appears his racking motion in more in line with a semi-auto that is failing to cycle.

Just saw this, see my post above about the problems with using 22 sub's in a semi.  They don't produce enough pressure to cycle another round and that's exactly what it looks like is happening in the video.  Not seeing him pick up his brass, was this stated as what happened?

Edited Wednesday at 08:58 PM by BabaYaga

[Hagbard Celine 11052]

the egress is pure tradecraft

he's 1000 miles away by now

[tx 3 putt 78071]

Just now, Hagbard Celine said:

the egress is pure tradecraft

he's 1000 miles away by now

 

on a slow boat to cuba 

[washparkhorn 9958]

56 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yep he’s lucky af.  He should have had life threatening injuries then get denied all kinds of rehab/meds/DME etc.  That’s the American dream this POS and others in his industry have created.  

Agree. I don't wish anyone harm, but there is no economic argument for United Healthcare to exist and propagate their negative externalities on Americans.

Private health insurance serves no productive economic function, and merely acts as a rent-seeking middleman that reduces efficiency and raises costs in the healthcare system.

1. Cost containment: private insurance does not contain healthcare costs, but rather makes them worse due to the overhead and profit-taking by insurance companies, as well as their ability to negotiate higher prices from providers.

2. Coverage expansion: private insurance does not expand healthcare coverage, but may actually restrict it due to insurers' incentives to enroll lower-risk, more profitable customers while avoiding higher-risk, costlier ones.

3. Access to care: private insurance does not expedite care, but rather slows it down as a result of the administrative burden and approval processes required by insurers, as well as their ability to restrict access to certain providers or treatments.

From an economic perspective, private health insurance fails to provide the kind of market-based efficiencies and benefits that could justify its existence. Instead, it suggests the insurance industry acts as a parasitic rent-seeker, extracting profits without adding commersurate value. 

[Anastasis 23569]

5 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Just saw this, see my post above about the problems with using 22 sub's in a semi.  They don't produce enough pressure to cycle another round and that's exactly what it looks like is happening in the video.  Not seeing him pick up his brass, was this stated as what happened?

Police report 3 casings and 3 unfired 9mm rounds found at the scene. I think this supports the notion that the shooter was using an semi auto with either a homemade can (as @locodos suggested) or some other sub optimal set up (no nielsen device). 

See 4:10 mark

 

 

[Brisketexan 105979]

7 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

the egress is pure tradecraft

he's 1000 miles away by now

[Captainant 28179]

51 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Police report 3 casings and 3 unfired 9mm rounds found at the scene. I think this supports the notion that the shooter was using an semi auto with either a homemade can (as @locodos suggested) or some other sub optimal set up (no nielsen device). 

See 4:10 mark

 

 

I mean, making a can is insanely easy nowadays if you don't care about your dog getting shot. With 3D printing, or even just press forming sheet metal, you can make baffles with very very little effort. It's not like mufflers are classified technology 

Edited Wednesday at 09:56 PM by Captainant

[Hagbard Celine 11052]

8 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

on a slow boat to cuba 

house painters live normal lives down the street from middle america

[BabaYaga 15443]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Police report 3 casings and 3 unfired 9mm rounds found at the scene. I think this supports the notion that the shooter was using an semi auto with either a homemade can (as @locodos suggested) or some other sub optimal set up (no nielsen device). 

See 4:10 mark

 

 

Just saw this.  He's manually ejecting each round into his left hand.  Not sure why the pistol didn't eject them automatically?  Watered down hand loads?  It obviously was a hit, just not sure if it was a disgruntled dude or a pro?  He sure seemed calm and collected.  You can practice for years at the range, but most still get the yips in high-stress settings.  

[High Plains Drifter 11129]

19 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Just saw this, see my post above about the problems with using 22 sub's in a semi.  They don't produce enough pressure to cycle another round and that's exactly what it looks like is happening in the video.  Not seeing him pick up his brass, was this stated as what happened?

 

pic in NY Post showed brass on the sidewalk. 

[BabaYaga 15443]

2 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

pic in NY Post showed brass on the sidewalk. 

Correct.  Three live rounds found and three spent cartridges.  Live rounds seems weird?  A "pro" seemingly would be better prepared, but man that dude was calm and collected in the video.  

[HenryJames 66507]

5 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Watered down hand loads?

[MAUFRAIS 6694]

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fair enough.  My point was it could be fab'd  something like a Ruger Mark IV with a homemade suppressor.   

 
I can't make out much of the gun in that video other than it's black, the barrel is long, and he appears to be racking it.

Does he look like a bitch?