CEO of UHG Shot and Killed in NYC - WTF is wrong with you New York

[workswithseed 2146]

1 minute ago, Foosters said:

America

 

[InkaUtexas 26506]

8 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

Yes, but can hospitals pass that cost on to the patient? That is where I, as a provider, have problems. And what is going to happen when a patient has complications on the table?

 

[royiv 9505]

5 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

Yes, but can hospitals pass that cost on to the patient? That is where I, as a provider, have problems. And what is going to happen when a patient has complications on the table?

This impacts the anesthesiologist, not the hospital since it’s addressed to professional fees. If the anesthesiologist is contracted with the health plan, they will likely not be able to pass the cost on to the patient. The only leverage the anesthesiologist has in this case is to term their contract with the health plan and attempt to renegotiate. Now that the No Surprises Act (good idea in concept, not as much so in execution) is law of the land, the insurance company knows that the anesthesiologist won’t be able to bill the patient for any difference between what they decide to arbitrarily pay out of network and the anesthesiologist‘s fee so they hold the doc by the balls unless the anesthesiologist wants to take the health plan to arbitration on every single claim they submit.

[Brisketexan 105967]

Got a daughter living in the UK.  Recently diagnosed with a serious, chronic illness.  Had no problem getting in with a GP, who was thorough, ordered detailed bloodwork, and followed up promptly after the bloodwork came in.

The stories of the wait times for care in the UK and Canada, while having some basis in truth (she dealt with that when living in Canada....but she was also able to find the care she needed in short order, once she worked at it), are vastly overblown.  AND, they ignore the wait times and shortages of specialists for a shitload of care here as well.

No system is perfect.  But among first world systems, ours delivers the worst overall results per dollar spent.  It's not even close.

Edited Wednesday at 11:09 PM by Brisketexan

[Bullneck 19356]

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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Brian Thompson
Born	July 10, 1974[1] Jewell Junction, Iowa, U.S.[1]
Died	December 4, 2024 (aged 50) New York City, U.S.
Cause of death	Shooting
Alma mater	University of Iowa (BBA)
Occupation	Businessman
Title	CEO of UnitedHealthcare
Term	2021–2024
Spouse	Paulette Reveiz
Children	2

Brian Robert "BT" Thompson^[2][3] (July 10, 1974^[1] – December 4, 2024) was an American businessman who from April 2021 to his death in December 2024 was the chief executive officer (CEO) of UnitedHealthcare, the insurance arm of UnitedHealth Group.

Education

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Thompson attended South Hamilton High School in Jewell Junction, Iowa, graduating in 1993 as class valedictorian.^[4][5] Thompson graduated from the University of Iowa in 1997, where he studied business administration and accounting.^[5][6][7][8]

Career

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From 1997 to 2004, Thompson worked at PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP as a manager in the transaction advisory services group of the audit practice.^[9] Thompson joined UnitedHealth Group in 2004 and was CEO of UnitedHealthcare government programs that included Medicare & retirement and community & state divisions.^[10]

The Associated Press described Thompson as keeping "a low public profile". However, he had a few moments in the public spotlight, such as during an investor meeting in 2023 when he announced UnitedHealthcare was shifting to a "value-based care" model by paying doctors and other caregivers to keep patients healthy rather than focusing on treating them when they get sick.^[11]

In 2021, Thompson was criticized in an open letter from the American Hospital Association regarding a plan from UnitedHealthcare to start denying payment for what it deemed non-critical visits to hospital emergency rooms. UnitedHealthcare responded by delaying rollout of the change.^[11]

A lawsuit was filed against Thompson in May 2024 for alleged fraud and insider trading due to failing to disclose an antitrust investigation into the company by the United States Department of Justice.^[4]

Personal life

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Thompson was married to Paulette Reveiz Thompson, a physical therapist and fellow University of Iowa graduate.^[12] She was born in Webster City, Iowa.^[13][14] Together they had two sons.^[15][16] They resided in Maple Grove, Minnesota.^[17]

Death

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On December 4, 2024, at 6:45 a.m. EST, Thompson was in New York for an annual UnitedHealthcare investors meeting. As he was walking along 54th Street toward the New York Hilton Midtown hotel, he was shot by a gunman dressed in a black hoodie and armed with a silenced 9mm pistol.^[18][19] The gunman waited outside the building before shooting Thompson several times from approximately 20 feet (6 m) away, striking him in the back and right calf. The gunman fled the scene on an electric Citi Bike. Thompson was taken to Mount Sinai West Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 7:12 a.m. Both the New York City Police Department and Mayor Eric Adams said the attack appeared to be a targeted hit and was not a random attack. The gunman has yet to be found.^{[20][21][22][23][18]}

Thompson's wife reported that he had received threats in the past, citing lack of coverage as a possible reason for the threats.^[24]

 

 

[HOOKEM4 5109]

2 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

 

Lulz. As someone who has actually needed care in 2 of those countries, this is 1/2 right. 

I also remember being in the Bahamas and my son having an ear infection 3 days before flying home. We went to a doctor, paid 30 bucks for the visit and 15 bucks for the antibiotics. Zero insurance. We live in a shithole country. The faster you pull your head out of your ass and realize it, the better you will be when you get fucked over by our "Healthcare" system.

[royiv 9505]

10 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

I had a bs procedure years ago at an in network hospital with in network DR only to find out I owed a few grand to an uncovered anaesthesiologist group. For 30 min of work. Fun times.

This can no longer happen. The No Surprises Act prohibits balance billing by facility based providers. That said, as is mostly always the case, there have been unintended consequences in how the law has been implemented that has given insurance companies additional leverage over providers. So the legislation is good for patients, good for insurance companies and not so great for physicians.

[Brisketexan 105967]

7 minutes ago, royiv said:

This can no longer happen. The No Surprises Act prohibits balance billing by facility based providers. That said, as is mostly always the case, there have been unintended consequences in how the law has been implemented that has given insurance companies additional leverage over providers. So the legislation is good for patients, good for insurance companies and not so great for physicians.

Patients.

Insurance companies.

Physicians.

No matter how we "reform" our system, there is one of those three groups that will never, ever, ever lose, and will always come out ahead.  And everyone on earth knows which one we're talking about.

[workswithseed 2146]

10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Got a daughter living in the UK.  Recently diagnosed with a serious, chronic illness.  Had no problem getting in with a GP, who was thorough, ordered detailed bloodwork, and followed up promptly after the bloodwork came in.

The stories of the wait times for care in the UK and Canada, while having some basis in truth (she dealt with that when living in Canada....but she was also able to find the care she needed in short order, once she worked at it), are vastly overblown.  AND, they ignore the wait times and shortages of specialists for a shitload of care here as well.

No system is perfect.  But among first world systems, ours delivers the worst overall results per dollar spent.  It's not even close.

It's not the wait time in Canada, it's their MAID services that ask people if they'd just like to kill themselves, cause it's cheaper to kill them than to help them. Some of the bigger examples.

https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867

https://aleteia.org/2022/12/07/disabled-canadian-veteran-says-she-was-offered-suicide-in-lieu-of-chair-lift

Socialize loss, capitalize gains, as you've said that our system is, and that's true. It's the worst of both worlds.

[Bevo 13675]

14 minutes ago, royiv said:

is impacts the anesthesiologist, not the hospital since it’s addressed to professional fees. If the anesthesiologist is contracted with the health plan, they will likely not be able to pass the cost on to the patient. The only leverage the anesthesiologist has in this case is to term their contract with the health plan and attempt to renegotiate. Now that the No Surprises Act (good idea in concept, not as much so in execution) is law of the land, the insurance company knows that the anesthesiologist won’t be able to bill the patient for any difference between what they decide to arbitrarily pay out of network and the anesthesiologist‘s fee so they hold the doc by the balls unless the anesthesiologist wants to take the health plan to arbitration on every single claim they submit.

 

This is the correct answer. And the insurance companies always advertise as a partner with doctors and hospitals. This is not true and it has ruined private practice because it requires a team to "fix" reimbursement.

[Brisketexan 105967]

2 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

It's not the wait time in Canada, it's their MAID services that ask people if they'd just like to kill themselves, cause it's cheaper to kill them than to help them. Some of the bigger examples.

https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867

https://aleteia.org/2022/12/07/disabled-canadian-veteran-says-she-was-offered-suicide-in-lieu-of-chair-lift

Socialize loss, capitalize gains, as you've said that our system is, and that's true. It's the worst of both worlds.

Read the article you posted about the Canadian vet.  READ IT, not just the headline, or what some youtube account SAYS about it.  There is ZERO such official policy.  There are NO written statements/demands/offers to that effect.  The most that can be surmised is that 1) some asshole exasperated bureaucrat (note that insurance companies have these in spades as well) said something to the effect of if your life is so intolerable, you can look into assisted suicide, and 2) all relevant government officials declared unequivocally that is NOT Canadian policy, and nothing like that should have been communicated by ANY means.

Of course, here in the US, the insurance companies won't even offer you that.  Because it would cost money.  They just count on you dying all on your own.  Early death is a path to profits.  Which is the only, exclusive, 100% goal of our system.

[Bevo 13675]

18 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Got a daughter living in the UK.  Recently diagnosed with a serious, chronic illness.  Had no problem getting in with a GP, who was thorough, ordered detailed bloodwork, and followed up promptly after the bloodwork came in.

The stories of the wait times for care in the UK and Canada, while having some basis in truth (she dealt with that when living in Canada....but she was also able to find the care she needed in short order, once she worked at it), are vastly overblown.  AND, they ignore the wait times and shortages of specialists for a shitload of care here as well.

No system is perfect.  But among first world systems, ours delivers the worst overall results per dollar spent.  It's not even close.

 

Getting in to see the GP isn't the issue. Getting biologics for her autoimmune disease and getting in to the specialist (especially if a surgery is necessary) are bigger issues.

[InkaUtexas 26506]

10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Patients.

Insurance companies.

Physicians.

No matter how we "reform" our system, there is one of those three groups that will never, ever, ever lose, and will always come out ahead.  And everyone on earth knows which one we're talking about.

Lawyers.

[Brisketexan 105967]

1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

Lawyers.

[AbeFroman 3030]

1 hour ago, t_eight said:

Do pros go to Starbucks before a hit?  Coffee is for closers?

 

That is not the nose of a professional.

[OU Sucks 9131]

3 hours ago, Texzilla58 said:

wife said he said to her he was getting “threats”.  I’d be looking into his love life first.  Maybe he was going to trade her in on an upgrade.  

His wife mentioned something about "lack of coverage". While that could mean there was no coverage on his penis while having an affair, I'm pretty sure it refers to someone who's pissed that the company wouldn't cover some procedure/whatever and someone died/got sick/had to pay out the ass.

[NorthLoop 14366]

"Calm and collected" doesn't automatically mean professional. It just means the dude is calm and collected. Not everyone gets frantic in tense situations. 

[Captainant 28171]

51 minutes ago, Foosters said:

America

Well the government doing it doesn't result in increased shareholder profits sooooooo

[DigDug 1718]

Just now, NorthLoop said:

"Calm and collected" doesn't automatically mean professional. It just means the dude is calm and collected. Not everyone gets frantic in tense situations. 

It's a lot easier to appear "Calm and collected" when there are no loud bangs to make it real and make everyone around you panic and scream.

I was wondering more about how he knew the time and location where the victim would be.  How did he know he would be leaving the hotel so early?

Maybe someone within UHC set him up.

[956 Worldwide 35122]

Lots of speculation but we all just need to wait for the explanation of benefits here. 

[staboner 5022]

surprised it took this long for this type of shit to happen honestly

america is regarded 

thats all i got

[chainsaw 10138]

[Brisketexan 105967]

32 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

Getting in to see the GP isn't the issue. Getting biologics for her autoimmune disease and getting in to the specialist (especially if a surgery is necessary) are bigger issues.

She's already gotten the first meds, easy peasy (and they've helped a good bit).  The reason for the additional bloodwork was to help them get better dialed in on what she needs and dosages.  She had actually gone to a private specialty clinic....and they sucked.  Just a pill-mill, no real attention to her.  The GP is much better.

[chainsaw 10138]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

She's already gotten the first meds, easy peasy (and they've helped a good bit).  The reason for the additional bloodwork was to help them get better dialed in on what she needs and dosages.  She had actually gone to a private specialty clinic....and they sucked.  Just a pill-mill, no real attention to her.  The GP is much better.

I'm shocked that doctors could actually care about the quality of their work and their patients' wellbeing without the help of dozens of rent-seeking middlemen

[Hmbre97 6334]

 

Edited Thursday at 04:29 AM by Hmbre97

[Brisketexan 105967]

Just now, chainsaw said:

I'm shocked that doctors could actually care about the quality of their work and their patients' wellbeing without the help of dozens of rent-seeking middlemen

To be fair, many American GPs care as well....but they don't get to opt out of the system of rent-seeking middlemen.  We don't do ANYTHING without ensuring that first, lots of profits are made by people who don't add any value exept extracting profits from the beast they helped create/perpetuate.

[chainsaw 10138]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

To be fair, many American GPs care as well....but they don't get to opt out of the system of rent-seeking middlemen.  We don't do ANYTHING without ensuring that first, lots of profits are made by people who don't add any value exept extracting profits from the beast they helped create/perpetuate.

For all we know the gunman was a GP. Speaking as a guy with a lot of physician friends, there's no hatred quite like the hate their small offices have for the insurance companies they waste hours on the phone with every week.

[Newdoc 3472]

14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

To be fair, many American GPs care as well....but they don't get to opt out of the system of rent-seeking middlemen. 

There is a new model called direct primary care that solves a lot of that but patients are hooked to their "$30 copays" and having a doctor that is part of a "system".   But also, hospital systems and insurance companies don't get to control that piece of healthcare, so the model has been tough to launch in this country. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 22145]

A real pro would haves walked right up behind him a put a round in the back of his head from about 6 inches away.  No need the recharge the gun and no brass left behind.

[TheStoicPaisano 9943]

2 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Dude on CNN is saying he bought a bottle of water and they could track this to his DNA. Going to suck being whoever pissed off a sergeant this week. Patrolman, you need to report to the dump and find all the plastic bottles.

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26701]

I was about 6 blocks down 6th ave when this happened, walking back to my hotel. Quite a morning in the city.

Also: Wyden-Bennett, you motherfuckers. 

Edited Thursday at 12:30 AM by Bozo_Casanova

[t_eight 156]

3 minutes ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

 

We gottem workin in shifts .... 

[Sawbonz 27835]

3 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

If all CEOs were under a constant threat of assassination, it could be really good for the consumer.

 

 “She would have been a good woman,” The Misfit said, “if it had been somebody there to shoot her every minute of her life.”

[AbeFroman 3030]

10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I was about 6 blocks down 6th ave when this happened, walking back to my hotel. Quite a morning in the city.

Also: Wyden-Bennett, you motherfuckers. 

You see that people, that's called an alibi.

[HOOKEM4 5109]

44 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Lots of speculation but we all just need to wait for the explanation of benefits here. 

This is the best response so far. Holy shit.

[Celery Man 21046]

 

[Texasborn91 1017]

2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

In very much related news, Anthem announced today that they will stop paying for anesthesia if a procedure goes over planned time.

Awesome. 

[ultimaton 2985]

1 hour ago, AbeFroman said:

That is not the nose of a professional.

It's like a 2024 take on The Shadow

[B00M 6613]

1 hour ago, DigDug said:

It's a lot easier to appear "Calm and collected" when there are no loud bangs to make it real and make everyone around you panic and scream.

Are you arguing that suppressors should be … even more controlled? Or illegal? At the end of the day, they’re century-old dirt-simple devices, especially when they only need to work well for a few shots. Way too many red blooded Americans have gone to prison because they knew how to machine a tube with some threads and install washers/baffles. 

Frankly, it’s fucking regarded that we're allowed to own firearms for self defense, but to protect the hearing of everyone in your house, should you ever actually need to defend it, requires a $200 tax stamp and an (up to) 12+ month processing time at the ATF. Based on recent wait times, the wait time is completely at the whim of the director. Cool. 

Suppressors should have the same 4473 form and background check requirements that a firearm purchase does. Or they should be completely unregulated because they’re a safety device. 

[ConferenceRoom 6187]

I think he’s arguing that it’s not necessarily a pro, and it’s easier for an amateur hitman to remain calm in a stressful situation not being exacerbated by loud gun noises and people screaming. 

[DigDug 1718]

7 minutes ago, B00M said:

Are you arguing that suppressors should be … even more controlled? Or illegal? At the end of the day, they’re century-old dirt-simple devices, especially when they only need to work well for a few shots. Way too many red blooded Americans have gone to prison because they knew how to machine a tube with some threads and install washers/baffles. 

Frankly, it’s fucking regarded that we're allowed to own firearms for self defense, but to protect the hearing of everyone in your house, should you ever actually need to defend it, requires a $200 tax stamp and an (up to) 12+ month processing time at the ATF. Based on recent wait times, the wait time is completely at the whim of the director. Cool. 

Suppressors should have the same 4473 form and background check requirements that a firearm purchase does. Or they should be completely unregulated because they’re a safety device. 

Username checks out...or does it .. hmm

 

I wasn't arguing anything.  It's easier to stay calm when the scene around you is staying relatively calm.  And it's easier for the scene to stay calm when no bangs or normal-sounding gunshots are happening.

[David Dennison 19161]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Patients.

Insurance companies.

Physicians.

No matter how we "reform" our system, there is one of those three groups that will never, ever, ever lose, and will always come out ahead.  And everyone on earth knows which one we're talking about.

Why do you hate capitalism, bro?

[Bozo_Casanova 26701]

34 minutes ago, B00M said:

 

Suppressors should have the same 4473 form and background check requirements that a firearm purchase does. Or they should be completely unregulated because they’re a safety device. 

The latter. In point of fact they are generally required in Western Europe as a safety measure.

The only reason suppressors were included in the NFA in the first place was to make it easier for timber barons to catch poachers during The Great Depression. Anti-gun activists working to restrict access to suppressors are as dumb and myopic as firearm totemists who fight red flag laws. 
 

Also … user name checks out.

[rage-a-holic 4568]

2 hours ago, HOOKEM4 said:

Lulz. As someone who has actually needed care in 2 of those countries, this is 1/2 right. 

I also remember being in the Bahamas and my son having an ear infection 3 days before flying home. We went to a doctor, paid 30 bucks for the visit and 15 bucks for the antibiotics. Zero insurance. We live in a shithole country. The faster you pull your head out of your ass and realize it, the better you will be when you get fucked over by our "Healthcare" system.

It's pretty much the same way in a Mexican hospital...except you need to bring a Mexican lawyer with you to make sure they don't "accidentally" charge you the 50x gringo rate.

And if they fuck up a minor (or major) procedure and you're crippled or dead? Your children will spend the rest of their lives trying to get restitution through the Mexican court system.

[Bozo_Casanova 26701]

24 minutes ago, DigDug said:

And it's easier for the scene to stay calm when no bangs or normal-sounding gunshots are happening.

When is that? Ever shot suppressed? Unless you’re shooting small-caliber subsonic round, it’s still a loud bang.

[HeHateMe 908]

I’m going with not a pro, but not necessarily an amateur.  Ex special forces with an axe to grind.  Lots of surveillance in CP, but tons of exit points as well, including underground tunnels.  IMO a true pro would have shot from cover in Minneapolis with a lot less cameras.  Also, the people who have 6 figures to spend on a true pro can afford care after whatever claims UHC denies.  Guy has training and is probably gone, but I don’t think he is an assassin by trade.

[Reynolds Woodcock 4908]

Midtown completely normal this afternoon. Went to a happy hour 3 blocks away and wouldn’t have had a clue something went down earlier in the day.

I texted my buddy who lives on Central Park South, and he said there isn’t even a noticeable police presence around the park. I guess they just haven’t publicly disclosed the latest leads.

[LCHorn 2712]

10 minutes ago, HeHateMe said:

Ex special forces with an axe to grind.

I can’t tell if your post is tongue in cheek, but anyone with infantry training would  have automatically put two in the chest, one in the head.  That shit is on autopilot.  

[Bozo_Casanova 26701]

7 minutes ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

Midtown completely normal this afternoon. Went to a happy hour 3 blocks away and wouldn’t have had a clue something went down earlier in the day.

I texted my buddy who lives on Central Park South, and he said there isn’t even a noticeable police presence around the park. I guess they just haven’t publicly disclosed the latest leads.

Yep, it was pretty normal where I was in Midtown.

21 minutes ago, HeHateMe said:

I’m going with not a pro, but not necessarily an amateur.  Ex special forces with an axe to grind.  Lots of surveillance in CP, but tons of exit points as well, including underground tunnels.  IMO a true pro would have shot from cover in Minneapolis with a lot less cameras.  Also, the people who have 6 figures to spend on a true pro can afford care after whatever claims UHC denies.  Guy has training and is probably gone, but I don’t think he is an assassin by trade.

Fewer

[HOOKEM4 5109]

21 minutes ago, HeHateMe said:

I’m going with not a pro, but not necessarily an amateur.  Ex special forces with an axe to grind.  Lots of surveillance in CP, but tons of exit points as well, including underground tunnels.  IMO a true pro would have shot from cover in Minneapolis with a lot less cameras.  Also, the people who have 6 figures to spend on a true pro can afford care after whatever claims UHC denies.  Guy has training and is probably gone, but I don’t think he is an assassin by trade.

Wow. Ex special forces...what an insult. Lulz.