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  On 12/6/2024 at 7:00 PM, tokamak said:
Ever since it happened, I've been puzzled by how a seemingly pretty mortal Georgia team came in to Austin and beat us by double digits. I wanted to refresh my memory on what happened, and understand what it means for our rematch tomorrow. So I bit the bullet and rewatched the entire thing, taking a lot of notes. What follows is a drive-by-drive recap and my takeaways.
First off, here's the game on YouTube:
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OK, so what did I learn from subjecting myself to this?

  • I thought we were physically outmatched on the OL, but it wasn't as bad as I remembered. A lot of the pressure they got on Quinn was due to intelligent blitz schemes, or miscommunications on our part. They also did a good job of keeping tight coverage and limiting Quinn's options.
  • That said, Quinn did not play well. His interception was a bad throw, and he got away with a couple others. He threw at covered receivers several times. He was responsible for the self-sack deep in our own end, which really hurt us. There were a couple of opportunities for him to scramble for yardage that he didn't take.
  • Mykel Williams in particular played absolutely out of his mind. We had no answer for him.
  • Special teams hurt us and really contributed to the field position difference.
  • I think we got too cute at times with the horizontal passing and running game. I feel like we saw this some against aggy as well. Georgia's defense was too fast to be beaten like that.
  • They capitalized on our turnovers, and we largely couldn't on theirs, with the exception of the 3rd quarter interception. A big reason is because almost all of the turnovers happened deep in our end of the field.
  • Our D can play with them. They had one sustained drive (that admittedly came at a crucial time), and that's about it.
I feel somewhat better about tomorrow after rewatching. A lot of the negative things that we did can and should be cleaned up. We need Quinn to take care of the ball, special teams to not be a net negative, and Sark to not get too reliant on the east-west game, and we'll be ok. I expect that going into a hostile environment at College Station last weekend and coming away with the W will help our guys not feel like the moment is too big for them.
Hook 'em, fuck Georgia, ou sucks, let's fucking go.

But who threw the bottles.
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Posted
  On 12/6/2024 at 7:14 PM, Tex Pete said:

The field position thing was the biggest factor. I think we kill ourselves by running plays at or behind the LOS and then throwing 49 yards downfield (and missing). That leads to far too many 3 and outs. Yes, hitting a quick TD would be huge, but we consistently do not do that.

We need to focus on the next first down until we get in an offensive rhythm. Our mediocre punting just underscores the necessity of getting first downs. Seems to me that we don’t throw nearly enough 5-7 yard passes. 

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Yep, check out our very first drive in my longcat up above. Our first four plays all went for like 5-7 yards, I think - two quick first downs. Then we go horizontal for two plays and put ourselves in a 3rd and long.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 7:14 PM, Tex Pete said:

The field position thing was the biggest factor. I think we kill ourselves by running plays at or behind the LOS and then throwing 49 yards downfield (and missing). That leads to far too many 3 and outs. Yes, hitting a quick TD would be huge, but we consistently do not do that.

We need to focus on the next first down until we get in an offensive rhythm. Our mediocre punting just underscores the necessity of getting first downs. Seems to me that we don’t throw nearly enough 5-7 yard passes. 

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Good god our punting is bad this year. Just comically bad honestly. This roster has no real weaknesses except punting. And it is so bad that it should probably count as 2 or 3 major weaknesses. 

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  On 12/6/2024 at 7:27 PM, tokamak said:

Yep, check out our very first drive in my longcat up above. Our first four plays all went for like 5-7 yards, I think - two quick first downs. Then we go horizontal for two plays and put ourselves in a 3rd and long.

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How can any opponent be unprepared for the horizontal passing game?

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  On 12/6/2024 at 7:27 PM, Dahobbs said:

Good god our punting is bad this year. Just comically bad honestly. This roster has no real weaknesses except punting. And it is so bad that it should probably count as 2 or 3 major weaknesses. 

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Punter was the one roster hole I thought we had back in August.  Didn't realize Auburn was going to start shitting himself on 40+ yarders.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 7:00 PM, tokamak said:

I feel somewhat better about tomorrow after rewatching. A lot of the negative things that we did can and should be cleaned up. We need Quinn to take care of the ball, special teams to not be a net negative, and Sark to not get too reliant on the east-west game, and we'll be ok. I expect that going into a hostile environment at College Station last weekend and coming away with the W will help our guys not feel like the moment is too big for them.

Hook 'em, fuck Georgia, ou sucks, let's fucking go.

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Most of the issues you mentioned, short fields for Georgia, sideline passes and checkdowns instead of downfield plays are the result of two issues -- the OL and Quinn.

If the OL cleans their act up and plays with a chip on their shoulder, and Ewers plays with some poise, those problems go away.

Georgia had us scouted really well. And the pre-snap shifts caused a lot of false starts which takes us out of rythm in addition to the penalty yards. They also timed snaps with blitzing defenders around the edges really well and post snap stunts. The other thing is, our OL was backpedaling way too much in pass-pro at the snap, especially Cam Williams. They are taught to do that to a degree to manage the speed of the rush, but at some point you have to engage but Cam wasn't hardly even trying to do so until he was backed up so much it really compressed the pocket -- which didn't help Ewers' comfort in the pocket.

Sark and Co rewatched the tape as well, so they should be prepared this time. If not, they don't deserve to win.

According to the sports analysts during the Aggy game, the OL has already addressed most of those issues. Now they have to prove it against the Georgia DL.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 9:50 PM, sith_horn said:

Most of the issues you mentioned, short fields for Georgia, sideline passes and checkdowns instead of downfield plays are the result of two issues -- the OL and Quinn.

If the OL cleans their act up and plays with a chip on their shoulder, and Ewers plays with some poise, those problems go away.

Georgia had us scouted really well. And the pre-snap shifts caused a lot of false starts which takes us out of rythm in addition to the penalty yards. They also timed snaps with blitzing defenders around the edges really well and post snap stunts. The other thing is, our OL was backpedaling way too much in pass-pro at the snap, especially Cam Newton. They are taught to do that to a degree to manage the speed of the rush, but at some point you have to engage but Cam wasn't hardly even trying to do so until he was backed up so much it really compressed the pocket -- which didn't help Ewers' comfort in the pocket.

Sark and Co rewatched the tape as well, so they should be prepared this time. If not, they don't deserve to win.

According to the sports analysts during the Aggy game, the OL has already addressed most of those issues. Now they have to prove it against the Georgia DL.

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No wonder we struggled with pass protection having 35 year-old 245 lb QB playing at right tackle. 

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  On 12/7/2024 at 12:03 AM, Frank Drebin said:

I think Quinn is on the verge of playing better.  

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  On 12/7/2024 at 12:00 AM, Irish Wrist Watch said:

I think they're gonna eat Quinn's lunch because he can't run. I'm thinking an early exit, and hopefully Sark has an entirely different game plan set for Arch. If he doesn't, he's an idiot.

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quin needs to find the aaron rodgers path to mobility, not the lamar jackson path. he occasionally flashes it when pushing up in the pocket and he can clearly manipulate a defender in space with his arm/pump fakes. he doesn't have it while in the pocket unfortunately. his feel while processing is like nothing. not sure why its not getting coached up more or why he is flat there or even regressing. 

he almost gave 4 turnovers to aggy, but luckily they dropped 2 picks.

best bet in teh CCG and playoff is hoping his ~2 turnovers are somewhat in opportune times and not scores, short fields. fingers crossed beck and his receivers to their stupid shit again as well

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  On 12/6/2024 at 7:27 PM, tokamak said:

Yep, check out our very first drive in my longcat up above. Our first four plays all went for like 5-7 yards, I think - two quick first downs. Then we go horizontal for two plays and put ourselves in a 3rd and long.

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this is Sark's fucking kryptonite man. Is he an academic with a pen and pad making all kinds of new motions and shit, or can he be more of a football coach who just keeps taking THE FUCKING 6 YARD PLAY OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL THEY STOP IT.

i also remember wisner i believe running just fine to start the game. I would like to see the pistol and some downhill runs to start. make them stay in their lanes and honor the run. 

aggy, OU, georgia, all flowed like rabid animals to anything horizontal. they are all well coached defenses and makes me think they are keying up the texas O to check to that, then attack it. gives me GDGD vibes. 

i still have visions of Ced Baxter getting like 8 ypc on Washington, only to have sark do a few 3 and outs without even trying to run again in that 1st half. Put the fucking script down man and look at what is in front of you. makes me insane

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  On 12/7/2024 at 12:03 AM, Frank Drebin said:

I think Quinn is on the verge of playing better.  

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Is he, though? Haven't seen anything to point to this. We were about to cruise to a aggy beatdown until Quinn tried to hand the game to aggy on a platter. Luckily our defense is awesome and our run game sealed the deal. When people want to limit Quinn's exposure, especially in the redzone, that tells me all I need to know. A really good QB, you want the ball in his hands when it matters. 

 

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  On 12/6/2024 at 9:50 PM, sith_horn said:

Most of the issues you mentioned, short fields for Georgia, sideline passes and checkdowns instead of downfield plays are the result of two issues -- the OL and Quinn.

If the OL cleans their act up and plays with a chip on their shoulder, and Ewers plays with some poise, those problems go away.

Georgia had us scouted really well. And the pre-snap shifts caused a lot of false starts which takes us out of rythm in addition to the penalty yards. They also timed snaps with blitzing defenders around the edges really well and post snap stunts. The other thing is, our OL was backpedaling way too much in pass-pro at the snap, especially Cam Williams. They are taught to do that to a degree to manage the speed of the rush, but at some point you have to engage but Cam wasn't hardly even trying to do so until he was backed up so much it really compressed the pocket -- which didn't help Ewers' comfort in the pocket.

Sark and Co rewatched the tape as well, so they should be prepared this time. If not, they don't deserve to win.

According to the sports analysts during the Aggy game, the OL has already addressed most of those issues. Now they have to prove it against the Georgia DL.

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The first issue is we were completely out-physicaled. We were not ready for the fight AT ALL. Offensively they dominated us at the LOS. Defensively we got bullied there too. We got no pressure at all on Beck and without looking I wanna say Etienne averaged like 7 ypc. We gave up 7 sacks, 3 fumbles, and like a million pressures. They were playing man a lot and bullying our receivers downfield. Basically the same thing aggy was trying to do sat. Intimidate us and be the superior physical team. The difference is we have now run the gauntlet and found our second wind. We can run it now and we found a reliable back we can lean on. We are also fighting back. When aggy went straight thuggery we shrugged our shoulders and kept playing. We seemed to have shored up the run defense and found our stride with our pass rush. Guys like Trey Moore have started coming on lately.

I think as long as we are prepared for a fist fight we should be good. There will be turnovers. People need to be prepared for that. Georgia is a damn good football team. We just need to win the turnover battle.

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Running games can be shut down too. UNLV's 250ypg rushing attack is getting demolished right now. The good news is it's tough to shut down both the running game and the passing game. Whoever our QB is, he's got to have a great game. The playoffs are where Sark earns his stripes. He led Alabama' offense to Nattys. Exciting times! Big fucking games coming up!

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Some of the giving them short fields came from not just taking the damn touchback/fair catch on kickoffs or punts.  Two huge holding calls started us inside our 10.  Combine that with a 3 and out and a shitty punt and you're practically giving them points.

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Our lack of punting really showed up. A couple of good ones could’ve turned the tables when the game was still in doubt.  Meanwhile the GA punter was hitting laser beams.  
 

Need to fight them to a draw on special teams tomorrow. 

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  On 12/7/2024 at 3:34 AM, WBT said:

Some of the giving them short fields came from not just taking the damn touchback/fair catch on kickoffs or punts.  Two huge holding calls started us inside our 10.  Combine that with a 3 and out and a shitty punt and you're practically giving them points.

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There’s nothing that pisses me off more about our shitty ST (besides bolden) than trying to return kickoffs vs ~equally talented teams 

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  On 12/6/2024 at 7:00 PM, tokamak said:

We need Quinn to take care of the ball, special teams to not be a net negative, and Sark to not get too reliant on the east-west game, and we'll be ok.

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This has been a problem all year. I can't imagine it stopping now. Maybe, Sark will see something on tape though and help out in that way.

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I wonder how much different that game would have been had Wisner caught the flea flicker and then housed it against a pretty wide open backfield.

OK, not much different.  30-22.

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  On 12/7/2024 at 4:47 AM, bluto said:

There’s nothing that pisses me off more about our shitty ST (besides bolden) than trying to return kickoffs vs ~equally talented teams 

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Bolden has scared the crap out of me all season long with risky decisions on punt returns -- until Aggy, that is. He played it cool and hope he continues to use sound judgement going forward.

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  On 12/7/2024 at 12:00 AM, Irish Wrist Watch said:

I think they're gonna eat Quinn's lunch because he can't run. I'm thinking an early exit, and hopefully Sark has an entirely different game plan set for Arch. If he doesn't, he's an idiot.

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Props for speaking your mind on a sometimes neutral, sometimes positive, and sometimes negative board.  

Quinn may still be gimpy, but pretty sure the last outing showed he is not entirely limited by the ankle.  

Sark now realizes he needs to play the 1st half the way he played the 2nd half.  IOW, head-out-of-ass.

Wisner and DL.

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  On 12/7/2024 at 5:53 AM, TOR said:
Props for speaking your mind on a sometimes neutral, sometimes positive, and sometimes negative board.  
Quinn may still be gimpy, but pretty sure the last outing showed he is not entirely limited by the ankle.  
Sark now realizes he needs to play the 1st half the way he played the 2nd half.  IOW, head-out-of-ass.
Wisner and DL.

So he needs to come out against Georgia like he’s protecting a lead with his defense kicking ass? Bold strategy Cotton…
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  On 12/7/2024 at 5:53 AM, TOR said:

Props for speaking your mind on a sometimes neutral, sometimes positive, and sometimes negative board.  

Quinn may still be gimpy, but pretty sure the last outing showed he is not entirely limited by the ankle.  

Sark now realizes he needs to play the 1st half the way he played the 2nd half.  IOW, head-out-of-ass.

Wisner and DL.

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Nothing would make me happier than for Quinn to come out and have a fantastic night throwing the ball. His ankle / brace is solid and the Horns chew up GA in the air. Problem is I haven't seen signs pointing in that direction in the last 4-5 weeks.

What might happen is that our Defense comes out breathing fire and absolutely dominates Georgia's Offense, maybe forcing 3-4 turnovers. That would be a sight to see, and if Quinn can keep from turning the ball over and can make enough plays with his arm to free up the running game (Arch could do the same thing),  we could find ourselves walking away with a solid victory. If Quinn's injury (injuries?) continues to be a problem however, maybe he ought to be on the bench heeling while Arch gets the reps he'll likely need for the playoffs.

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  On 12/7/2024 at 9:16 AM, Irish Wrist Watch said:

Nothing would make me happier than for Quinn to come out and have a fantastic night throwing the ball. His ankle / brace is solid and the Horns chew up GA in the air. Problem is I haven't seen signs pointing in that direction in the last 4-5 weeks.

What might happen is that our Defense comes out breathing fire and absolutely dominates Georgia's Offense, maybe forcing 3-4 turnovers. That would be a sight to see, and if Quinn can keep from turning the ball over and can make enough plays with his arm to free up the running game (Arch could do the same thing),  we could find ourselves walking away with a solid victory. If Quinn's injury (injuries?) continues to be a problem however, maybe he ought to be on the bench heeling while Arch gets the reps he'll likely need for the playoffs.

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I will say this again and some of you are going to say I am making excuses for Quinn. Batted balls coming from the same place are a sign of a lineman who isn't playing with good technique. In football every player watches film looking for advantages or tells in their 1v1 matchup. Linemen aren't supposed to allow a defensive lineman to disengage and jump up and bat balls. Quinn has 7 interceptions and 5 of those are batted balls, 4 of which came from the right side of the line. The 5th came from a free rusher from the nickel spot to the right. I cannot remember a single batted ball coming from the left. That's a pretty telling stat. Why are no batted balls happening left when the ball comes out the same way? Truthfully, pretty much everything bad happens on the right side of the line in pass pro.

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  On 12/6/2024 at 7:34 PM, VirginiaLonghorn said:

How can any opponent be unprepared for the horizontal passing game?

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It’s like you MFers never played chess. Coaches don’t run these plays thinking they are going to succeed every time. In fact, they probably know the probability of getting more than a few l, or any, yards is low. It’s about keeping the defense guessing which direction the play is going. Horizontal plays and subsequent motion moves the defense forward and towards the sidelines, opening up the middle and deep passing game for big plays. Against Georgia’s talent, a game plan of running up the middle constantly isn’t going to work, especially with the RBs on the roster. 

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  On 12/7/2024 at 11:45 AM, Thatguy said:

I will say this again and some of you are going to say I am making excuses for Quinn. Batted balls coming from the same place are a sign of a lineman who isn't playing with good technique. In football every player watches film looking for advantages or tells in their 1v1 matchup. Linemen aren't supposed to allow a defensive lineman to disengage and jump up and bat balls. Quinn has 7 interceptions and 5 of those are batted balls, 4 of which came from the right side of the line. The 5th came from a free rusher from the nickel spot to the right. I cannot remember a single batted ball coming from the left. That's a pretty telling stat. Why are no batted balls happening left when the ball comes out the same way? Truthfully, pretty much everything bad happens on the right side of the line in pass pro.

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Some of your takes are completely obnoxious. 

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  On 12/6/2024 at 7:27 PM, Dahobbs said:

Good god our punting is bad this year. Just comically bad honestly. This roster has no real weaknesses except punting. And it is so bad that it should probably count as 2 or 3 major weaknesses. 

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This is easily mitigated with a 10 yards minimum offense.

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  On 12/7/2024 at 11:45 AM, Thatguy said:

I will say this again and some of you are going to say I am making excuses for Quinn. Batted balls coming from the same place are a sign of a lineman who isn't playing with good technique. In football every player watches film looking for advantages or tells in their 1v1 matchup. Linemen aren't supposed to allow a defensive lineman to disengage and jump up and bat balls. Quinn has 7 interceptions and 5 of those are batted balls, 4 of which came from the right side of the line. The 5th came from a free rusher from the nickel spot to the right. I cannot remember a single batted ball coming from the left. That's a pretty telling stat. Why are no batted balls happening left when the ball comes out the same way? Truthfully, pretty much everything bad happens on the right side of the line in pass pro.

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Ummm...because Ewers is right-handed and maybe a higher percentage of his throws are to the right side of the field?

Maybe some combination of both?

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  On 12/6/2024 at 7:34 PM, VirginiaLonghorn said:

How can any opponent be unprepared for the horizontal passing game?

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  On 12/7/2024 at 12:30 AM, staboner said:

this is Sark's fucking kryptonite man. Is he an academic with a pen and pad making all kinds of new motions and shit, or can he be more of a football coach who just keeps taking THE FUCKING 6 YARD PLAY OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL THEY STOP IT.

i also remember wisner i believe running just fine to start the game. I would like to see the pistol and some downhill runs to start. make them stay in their lanes and honor the run. 

aggy, OU, georgia, all flowed like rabid animals to anything horizontal. they are all well coached defenses and makes me think they are keying up the texas O to check to that, then attack it. gives me GDGD vibes. 

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  On 12/7/2024 at 12:35 PM, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

It’s like you MFers never played chess. Coaches don’t run these plays thinking they are going to succeed every time. In fact, they probably know the probability of getting more than a few l, or any, yards is low. It’s about keeping the defense guessing which direction the play is going. Horizontal plays and subsequent motion moves the defense forward and towards the sidelines, opening up the middle and deep passing game for big plays. Against Georgia’s talent, a game plan of running up the middle constantly isn’t going to work, especially with the RBs on the roster. 

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The above answers the first two. I'm no football genius. I had Greg Davis PTSD with the horizontal passing attack that was only somewhat mitigated by them working more often under Sark. Still, I was all, WTF?

Davis prayed for the missed tackle to free the receiver to score. Never happened.

Sark is doing as the Fuccboi says. He is actually setting things up. He is attacking the whole field.

The below seems simplistic, but it's also illustrative.

 

  On 12/7/2024 at 6:21 AM, NorthLoop said:

First play... fake the pass to the flat, hand off to Wisner going the opposite way. Touchdown. 

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One thing I wish we wouldn't do is to try our fanciest custom play in the first few downs. We usually fuck it up for some reason. Hold off until the offense has been on the field awhile.

The failed deep shots are maddening. Like the horizontal game, you must try them to keep the whole field under attack.

It'd be nice to hit half of them. Ewers dropped a pretty one into the basket against the Aggies. He also made some risky to stupid decisions.

Quinn needs some of that mullet-haired cockiness back. He's done some great things for Texas. Today may be one of those days like he had against the Tide. Hoping so.

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