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1 hour ago, StassneyHorn said:

Any of the two missed field goals wins the game in regulation.

Or, not holding on that swing Wisner took to the 4.  Punch that in, win.   Or the illegal procedure that backed up Auburn to then miss.  Jesus, so many one -,ay game changers.   Consider that the rule in close games like this.  

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4 minutes ago, ATLLonghorn said:

The run game was an afterthought for Texas in the first half. I don't know why Sark decided that this had to be a pass heavy game.

Probably because we all watched the first matchup where we averaged 1.1 yards per rush attempt, and our longest RB run went for 10 yards.

We weren't running our way to victory yesterday. We were going to have to be successful throwing the ball and we were for some stretches.

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16 minutes ago, ATLLonghorn said:

I finished a first half re-watch (2nd half rewatch may wait until tomorrow). I have notes on literally all 44 offensive snaps in the first half but I doubt anyone wants to read it but I can post it if anyone is interested. Here are some general thoughts in no particular order:

Sark: I still hate the gameplan. There is a difference between establishing the run and running the ball. The run game was an afterthought for Texas in the first half. I don't know why Sark decided that this had to be a pass heavy game. Sark LOVES his window dressing. He loves using movement and motion to try and confuse defenses, but Georgia is way too well coached for that and way too athletic for it. When Texas played more directly they had success. This was particular in the run game. When they just ran the most basic shit (block down, pull the guards, HS football 101) they were able to move the ball on the ground. When they tried to get horizontal in any capacity Georgia was just too strong and athletic for it. Georgia Tech big dumb caveman football'd Georgia to death last week. Sark tried a lot of his usual bullshit and most of it didn't work or added very little.

Another thing that I really wanted to mention that's a smaller thing, they really need to phase out any play action where Ewers does a full 360 spin, particularly against fast, athletic defenses. Ewers' footwork is already a mess a lot of the time and when they do that against Georgia it's usually bad.

All that said, there were just so many sloppy goddamn plays. Golden and Bolden were the only ones on offense who weren't culpable for something that hurt the offense in the first half. Helm, Wingo, Moore and Bond all had drops. Helm was particularly bad blocking. The offensive line wasn't as bad as I thought, but there were still plenty of times where guys just got beat or made mistakes. Ewers would be fine in an offense where they don't need him to be great, but this offense kind of requires it and there are just too many bad throws and decisions.

I'm not looking forward to watching the second half because my instinct is that Sark completely went the other way and I bet it's bad. I'm gonna go watch NFL the rest of the day. 

Yes. The second half was bad. No idea what Sark was thinking. We went away from everything that worked and doubled down on things that didn't. 

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57 minutes ago, ATLLonghorn said:

Almost done with a first half rewatch and will get into depth on, but I'm looking for help here. Is Wisner not sure what he's supposed to do or is this the design for a version of a draw play? It's blocked well initially if he just takes the ball he has a hole to work with.

To me this just looks like a fairly standard RPO (wide zone/bubble screen) where Wisner has a brain fart. Which is unfortunate because it was there if it was clean.

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1 hour ago, ATLLonghorn said:

Almost done with a first half rewatch and will get into depth on, but I'm looking for help here. Is Wisner not sure what he's supposed to do or is this the design for a version of a draw play? It's blocked well initially if he just takes the ball he has a hole to work with.

Double quoting because I can't edit my prior post: Honestly it still would have been there if Campbell makes a cleaner block on the DL coming off Majors. Which is not Majors's fault by the way, he's clearly sealing for the OZ crease as Connor comes off the combo, and does a good job of it. I'm not entirely sure what DJ's doing here. I could forgive him if he was just B-lining to the LB because that's his assignment after passing the combo off to Williams - he shouldn't need to chip a sealed DL at that point and doesn't have eyes on the back of his helmet - but he goes at the DL engaged with Majors. He just does so with an unclean shot that doesn't really do anything and may have actually helped shed the block.

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1 hour ago, Yesh said:

With the caveat that I haven't done a rewatch yet, it seems like we kept the TE/RB in to block a lot, and I'm wondering if that just allowed Georgia's superior front 7 to pin their ears back.  When they did give Quinn time, he made a lot of great downfield throws, but the pressure got there too often and the box was stacked against the run.  I wish we could have seen them spread out more.  Maybe since they have great athletes it wouldn't have mattered, but maybe they could have creased some runs.

This right here. The condensed sets hurts us against Georgia. Sark thinks we are physical enough to stand up to them but we are weak in the interior of the line and our TEs miss too many blocks as well. We need to run from the spread against them. By trying to play out of 12 personnel we just invite more physical players on the field and lose more 1v1 battles. Sark is stubborn about that and continues try regardless of the evidence. 

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1 hour ago, gmr548 said:

Double quoting because I can't edit my prior post: Honestly it still would have been there if Campbell makes a cleaner block on the DL coming off Majors. Which is not Majors's fault by the way, he's clearly sealing for the OZ crease as Connor comes off the combo, and does a good job of it. I'm not entirely sure what DJ's doing here. I could forgive him if he was just B-lining to the LB because that's his assignment after passing the combo off to Williams - he shouldn't need to chip a sealed DL at that point and doesn't have eyes on the back of his helmet - but he goes at the DL engaged with Majors. He just does so with an unclean shot that doesn't really do anything and may have actually helped shed the block.

Looks to me like Majors failed and so did DJ. Conner and Majors are double-teaming, but Conner doesn't get much in on it. Not really his fault though because Majors immediately allows #94 to sidestep and turn/pivot him sideways, instead of maintaining an effective squared up front WITH Connor, which essentially takes Conner out of it. If Majors doesn't engage at such an exaggerated angle Connor might have had more effect. He practically takes Connor out of it and since he isn't squared on the defender, he's immediately pivoted sideways. Great technique by the defender to thwart them, btw. They're trying to set him back on his heels and he's having none of it. With Majors completely sideways he easily slips off of him visually locked on Wisner right past Campbell too, who whiffs on the pickup and the failure is complete. I had to play that back a few times to see all that.

Brute force wasn't the issue here. Technique, agility and the OL not playing in synch were the factors. It happens fast in real-time, so easier said than done.

 

 

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5 hours ago, gmr548 said:

 

In a game this close you can point to a lot of things that would change the outcome but this is a big one for me. The Texas offense, Sark's baby, was sloppy, undisciplined, and was Georgia's MVP for a huge chunk of the game. Same offensive issues that have showed up all season, but even worse. He schemed up a really strong game pan out the gate but clearly did not have the answers once that faltered. You could tell in the short halftime interview the frustration was getting to him. STs continue to have issues and Georgia somehow caught us completely off guard with their fake punt that should have been on the radar in that situation, and proved to be an absolute back breaker (it turned a 3 and out after a Texas score that would have solidified the momentum shift in Texas's favor into the spark of Georgia's 9-minute drive). The bottom line is Georgia still outclasses us when it comes to playing to their standard in these games. That's coaching.

Sark is still learning how to be a championship HC at the top of the sport. He's far exceeded my wildest dreams as a roster/program builder, which is what sets the floor and gets you to these games, so I don't want to make more than it is. But the things that doomed the Texas offense yesterday, both on the field and on the headsets, have been consistent issues all year and indeed for Sark's entire tenure. It'd be unreasonable to expect those to vanish between games 12 and 13 but to see it get worse is a terrible look. Maybe he'll get there on game management eventually. Maybe he just builds a roster that's such a juggernaut that it can simply eat 100 yards of penalties against a top 5 opponent and still win. He's certainly earned the runway to find out if he can. But as much as anything else, I think Georgia won this game because Texas at times still shows some mental weakness and lack of discipline/prep that a truly championship level program like Georgia has rooted out entirely. I think @TwiceHorn was the person who originally pointed that out, and it's stuck with me. Georgia just has a stronger competitive culture than Texas right now. I think Georgia's off the field issues could start to metastasize and eroding that soon, and maybe we even saw that during the regular season, but that didn't show up yesterday.

Texas has produced back to back top 5 type teams. We're on the penultimate step on the ladder. The last step is always the hardest in sports. The wait can be long and excruciating, but if we take that last step - and I think the window for that is certainly open the next few years at least - we'll remember this season and game as an important part of the climb.

Very much agree with this last part. We’ve come a long way from when Sark arrived but if you’re going to beat the elite of the elite programs, you just can’t give so much away. I do think our defense has developed that competitive culture and are a unit on par with anyone.  They play with an edge and opponents we play will spend the next week in the ice bath. The offensive line still has a ways to go and HAS to be better against a front like UGA’s, but luckily there aren’t any others on that level. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, sith_horn said:

Looks to me like Majors failed and so did DJ. Conner and Majors are double-teaming, but Conner doesn't get much in on it. Not really his fault though because Majors immediately allows #94 to sidestep and turn/pivot him sideways, instead of maintaining an effective squared up front WITH Connor, which essentially takes Conner out of it. If Majors doesn't engage at such an exaggerated angle Connor might have had more effect. He practically takes Connor out of it and since he isn't squared on the defender, he's immediately pivoted sideways. Great technique by the defender to thwart them, btw. They're trying to set him back on his heels and he's having none of it. With Majors completely sideways he easily slips off of him visually locked on Wisner right past Campbell too, who whiffs on the pickup and the failure is complete. I had to play that back a few times to see all that.

Brute force wasn't the issue here. Technique, agility and the OL not playing in synch were the factors. It happens fast in real-time, so easier said than done.

 

 

You're just describing a standard combo block. The point is to get Connor off and up to the second level. Majors doesn't want to remain parallel with the LOS. He wants to get perpendicular and wall the DL off from moving laterally with the play. Without the brain fart in the backfield, which set the entire play back two seconds, what you see from that Georgia DL is just running himself upfield and out of the play as Wisner runs through the crease.

I agree with your last sentence. If Majors does a better job moving his feet he probably could have held the block even longer and perhaps there's still a play to be made. And again, if Campbell's assignment is to clean up whatever mess is there (I'm not sure that it is, I'd think he should be trying to get to a LB, but it's what he did) he did a poor job of it. But ultimately the back blew this up before it began.

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7 hours ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

When was the last time Texas had a kicker that didn’t end up kicking in the pros?

I got curious about this so I checked.  You actually don't have to go back that far.  Joshua Rowland was our kicker for 2017.  He transferred to Texas State after Cameron Dicker beat him out when Dicker was a freshman.  I don't even remember him.  He was 11 for 18 in field goals.

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I just saw the fake punt for the first time.  Someone needs to be fired for allowing that to happen. I dont care if they throw some grad assistant under the bus, giving that up there is inexcusable.  

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10 hours ago, ATLLonghorn said:

I finished a first half re-watch (2nd half rewatch may wait until tomorrow). I have notes on literally all 44 offensive snaps in the first half but I doubt anyone wants to read it but I can post it if anyone is interested. Here are some general thoughts in no particular order:

Sark: I still hate the gameplan. There is a difference between establishing the run and running the ball. The run game was an afterthought for Texas in the first half. I don't know why Sark decided that this had to be a pass heavy game. Sark LOVES his window dressing. He loves using movement and motion to try and confuse defenses, but Georgia is way too well coached for that and way too athletic for it. When Texas played more directly they had success. This was particular in the run game. When they just ran the most basic shit (block down, pull the guards, HS football 101) they were able to move the ball on the ground. When they tried to get horizontal in any capacity Georgia was just too strong and athletic for it. Georgia Tech big dumb caveman football'd Georgia to death last week. Sark tried a lot of his usual bullshit and most of it didn't work or added very little.

Another thing that I really wanted to mention that's a smaller thing, they really need to phase out any play action where Ewers does a full 360 spin, particularly against fast, athletic defenses. Ewers' footwork is already a mess a lot of the time and when they do that against Georgia it's usually bad.

All that said, there were just so many sloppy goddamn plays. Golden and Bolden were the only ones on offense who weren't culpable for something that hurt the offense in the first half. Helm, Wingo, Moore and Bond all had drops. Helm was particularly bad blocking. The offensive line wasn't as bad as I thought, but there were still plenty of times where guys just got beat or made mistakes. Ewers would be fine in an offense where they don't need him to be great, but this offense kind of requires it and there are just too many bad throws and decisions.

I'm not looking forward to watching the second half because my instinct is that Sark completely went the other way and I bet it's bad. I'm gonna go watch NFL the rest of the day. 

Receivers on both sides seemed to have grease on their hands.

Small things as you say can make a difference.  Ewers probably gets a TD if he throws to the other receiver on that side on 3rd down.  Perfect throws instead of short throws could have been TDs on the plays before that.  If UT stops Delp for one yard instead of 9 on first down or stops him when they hit him one yard short of the first on third down, UGA has to kick a FG.  Lots of little things.

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13 hours ago, Texasborn91 said:

He wasn’t defenseless 

It was a full speed shoulder to shoulder hit.  That rocked his head and flipped the helmet off.  Any helmet contact was glancing.

It was just a great football hit, the kind you used to see, the kind you loved to make when you played.

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28 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

We missed two field goals and had a shitload of penalties. That's why we lost. Otherwise, we looked like the better team. Smart outcoached Sark in both games, imo.

And one of the penalties took away a field goal.

 

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34 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

We missed two field goals and had a shitload of penalties. That's why we lost. Otherwise, we looked like the better team. Smart outcoached Sark in both games, imo.

Hate to give him credit, but the fake punt was the call of the game. 

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5 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

Hate to give him credit, but the fake punt was the call of the game. 

I guess, except all 15 Longhorn fans I was watching with, were predicting it the entire time.

That we weren't ready for it, was a dang coaching mistake to be sure, but it shouldn't have been.  Everyone else on the planet saw it coming. 

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1 minute ago, Dennis Taylor said:

Has anyone mentioned the Georgia fans? This is what the 3 drunk derelict inbred fools sitting behind us left in their wake...truly horrible obnoxious clowns

 

 

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The one sitting behind us threw up all over himself in the second quarter. The others around us weren’t so bad. 
 

They also think the horns down is the height of wit. Everyone I saw do it (most of their fanbase) had this beaming grin like a seven year old who just learned how to flip someone off. 

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17 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

Very much agree with this last part. We’ve come a long way from when Sark arrived but if you’re going to beat the elite of the elite programs, you just can’t give so much away. I do think our defense has developed that competitive culture and are a unit on par with anyone.  They play with an edge and opponents we play will spend the next week in the ice bath. The offensive line still has a ways to go and HAS to be better against a front like UGA’s, but luckily there aren’t any others on that level. 
 

 

Back to the issue of "winnerness," my shorthand for that competitive culture or knowing how to win.  This time exploring why the defense has seemingly come to it faster than the offense.  

I think the answer has to be the erraticness that is Quinn Ewers.  As both sides got better personnel and learned the schemes, the defense made steady improvement and progress while the offense progressed in fits and starts, looking terrific one game and no-so-much another, usually going as Quinn went.

It kind of feels like there may be some impostor syndrome going on with the offense, maybe along the OL in particular and at QB, of course, maybe the RB a bit too.  The impotence in red zone/short fields that seems to go hand-in-hand with what Quinn is good at (take away 0-25 yards and we're in trouble), probably eats at their heads pretty well.

I don't know what to make of the third quarter malaise, though.  Self-reinforcing?

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30 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

Hate to give him credit, but the fake punt was the call of the game. 

When I saw all our guys running backwards on an earlier punt, it was like foreshadowing.

Nobody was looking where the ball was.

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3 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

So what you're saying is, even once we make it to the semifinals, we still won't have played anybody good?

If everything goes chalk, to win the NC, Texas will have to beat the ACC champion, the B12 champion, the B1G champion, and the SEC champion.

If the Horns do somehow manage to do that, I predict everyone will still say Texas hasn't beaten anyone.

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Sark has had his Riley/ Rattler/Williams moment and failed to recognize it. He is loyal to QE but his job is to win championships and "feelings" at some point have to be secondary. What do you think Lanning would have done under the same circumstances?  

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21 minutes ago, Dennis Taylor said:

Has anyone mentioned the Georgia fans? This is what the 3 drunk derelict inbred fools sitting behind us left in their wake...truly horrible obnoxious clowns

 

 

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Pretty common with sec fans.


I remember being drunk and obnoxious as a young person. They don’t bother me so much because it’s fun to be young. When I see those fans I laugh because, well, been there  

But, sec brings out full fledged adults who are red necked snaggle toothed assholes.  It was intolerable.  I won’t go back to the championship game.  They have this conference pride thing that I just don’t understand  


Horns down doesn’t bother me but I must have seen 50,000 different people doing it with this grin of euphoria like it was some big insult.  It was kind of funny how big an insult they thought it was. Walking out of the stadium we had stuff thrown at us, people getting in our face doing their dog bark.  Being in the elevator at the hotel a couple of hours after the game they were still at it.  It’s all just eye rolling type stuff but they are a different breed  


I know that we probably didn’t have much choice but to join but I sure wish we didn’t have to. 

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1 hour ago, Dennis Taylor said:

I'm assuming you weren't in Columbus in 2005. Georgia is second worst I've witnessed, but its a distant second.  8/30/25 is coming 

They are very much Tech-esque except cockier.   They aren't Ohio State level, agreed.   That was unparalleled.    But spending the day around those morons in Atlanta pretty much made me cross off a trip to Athens next year.  Wouldn't be enjoyable.   Bunch of meathead douchebags.

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1 hour ago, CTC2 said:

 

But, sec brings out full fledged adults who are red necked snaggle toothed assholes.  It was intolerable.  I won’t go back to the championship game.  They have this conference pride thing that I just don’t understand  

 

I also wondered if this is just kind of what we signed up for.   College kids are one thing, but like you said, way too many blackout 30-50 year olds in packs actively seeking out a confrontation. It was pretty sad and pathetic.

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23 hours ago, ATLLonghorn said:

Another thing that I really wanted to mention that's a smaller thing, they really need to phase out any play action where Ewers does a full 360 spin, particularly against fast, athletic defenses. Ewers' footwork is already a mess a lot of the time and when they do that against Georgia it's usually bad.

This bears repeating.  100% agree.

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1 minute ago, Skipper said:

I also wondered if this is just kind of what we signed up for.   College kids are one thing, but like you said, way too many blackout 30-50 year olds in packs actively seeking out a confrontation. It was pretty sad and pathetic.

At the 2018 Sugar Bowl, three or four 20-30 something Georgia fans came and sat in a Texas section (not their seats) just to be dicks and talk shit to Texas fans. It blew up in their faces and I was merciless to them, but they went out of their way to be assholes.

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11 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I also wondered if this is just kind of what we signed up for.   College kids are one thing, but like you said, way too many blackout 30-50 year olds in packs actively seeking out a confrontation. It was pretty sad and pathetic.

I mentioned it to a couple of people I know who are fans at other sec schools. They kind of acted like it was normal, even for the schools they supported.  I understand what aggy was talking about when they said that they were a “culture fit” for the sec. 

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55 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

I mentioned it to a couple of people I know who are fans at other sec schools. They kind of acted like it was normal, even for the schools they supported.  I understand what aggy was talking about when they said that they were a “culture fit” for the sec. 

I dealt with 100X more nonsense before, during and after game in Atlanta compared to @ A&M the week before (or any OU game for that matter).  Now, maybe if Aggy won it would have been different post-game.  For anyone that has attended a horns loss in Lubbock, that was exactly what the experience was like.  And like Tex Pete said "going out of their way to be assholes" is pretty much a perfect description of the average UGA fan.  Really a damn shame we didn't win the game and shut them up.

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2 hours ago, utee94 said:

If everything goes chalk, to win the NC, Texas will have to beat the ACC champion, the B12 champion, the B1G champion, and the SEC champion.

If the Horns do somehow manage to do that, I predict everyone will still say Texas hasn't beaten anyone.

Well, yeah. Because they all lost to us. Therefore, we won't have beaten anybody. Obviously.

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3 hours ago, Wilcox Cummingtonite said:

Worst fans in the country. They made asses out of themselves in Austin too.

And the whiniest too. Their message boards are full of people whining about Texas. They act like they lost the game. They're all a direct reflection of their whiney-ass coach. 

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56 minutes ago, kingkoopa6 said:

If Quinn could use his feet to pick up 5-8 yards 5 or 6 plays a game. pick up 1st downs or give us better 3rd downs. He’d be unstoppable. 
 

college game needs that. 
 

qb gotta be a threat with the wheels.  He has zero wheels 

 

 

Not saying your point doesn’t have merit , but Penix rushed for 8 yards total last year. 

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