Atrocious Coaching

[RandomIdoit 739]

7 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

You’ll never understand why we were trying to score a TD instead of potentially placing the game on the shoulders of the least reliable kicker in the SEC?

There were 24 seconds left. The endzone shots were the correct call. The 1st and 10 middle screen we tried to call for Helm also had checkdowns available and Ewers chose to take a sack, essentially killing the drive.

They still had a timeout. 3rd and 15 is a crap position to be in compared to say, 3rd and 8. On 3rd and 8 you could pick up the first down and then take som shots at the endzone from the 4 yard line. Chucking up prayers from beyond the 20 yard line is stupid. Especially when they can get pressure with only 4 rushing and put everyone else back to defend. 

[Hookem2147 21930]

4 minutes ago, RandomIdoit said:

They still had a timeout. 3rd and 15 is a crap position to be in compared to say, 3rd and 8. On 3rd and 8 you could pick up the first down and then take som shots at the endzone from the 4 yard line. Chucking up prayers from beyond the 20 yard line is stupid. Especially when they can get pressure with only 4 rushing and put everyone else back to defend. 

We were having success against their corners. A jump ball to Wingo isn’t a prayer and we had just gotten PI two plays earlier.

[Texzilla58 4778]

1 hour ago, Not a Sock said:

Quinn played well in this game and it exposed how limited of a QB he is and his regressions has caused our offense to become fundamentally flawed. Sark is  doing a good job of calling plays but he can only call the plays his offense can actually execute. Quinn has regressed hard this season and it’s caused other position groups like the receivers and o line to regress as well. Quinn can not hit a receiver running a vertical route in stride, they either have to slow down and adjust or out right stop to try catch a pass if it’s outside the numbers. This works if you have elite receivers but it removes any YAC yardage since the DB will make the tackle, and when facing elite DBs like UGA it’s a PBU or a pick like we saw. Quinn can’t scramble or hit deep shots so that’s makes shit really easy for the defense, defend the perimeter and middle and no need for a spy.  Quinn’s huge regression is him not being able to hit those intermediate passes and not reading the middle of the field especially when the defense shows something different pre and post snap.

Sark is not putting QE in position to perform to his game with his maintaining his overreliance on the horizontal game with slow developing plays and useless fakes.  Sark has a blind spot like many “offensive geniuses” in that they love their whiteboards more than the simple things.  

[RandomIdoit 739]

1 minute ago, Hookem2147 said:

We were having success against their corners. A jump ball to Wingo isn’t a prayer and we had just gotten PI two plays earlier.

It’s is when they know you are going to pass deep. If we were in 3rd and 8, they would have to defend the shallow pass and the deep pass. 

[TejasPedro 1912]

It looked as if Sark found an old Spiral Green Notebook laying around labeled Greg Davis’ “Sneaky Extra Good plays that really do work” 

pregame warm-ups Quinn looked nervous, confused, he looked more stiff and uncomfortable than he does in the latest 444-4444 commercial

[Slacks 7025]

20 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said:

Sark is not putting QE in position to perform to his game with his maintaining his overreliance on the horizontal game with slow developing plays and useless fakes.  Sark has a blind spot like many “offensive geniuses” in that they love their whiteboards more than the simple things.  

So...

 I was pissed about the slow developing plays early, but I thought I was starting to see the plan... And then it disappeared, so I may have been wishing.

The middle opened up quite well, we just stopped trying to take advantage of it. I have to go back to see what unlucky thing happened. Probably a penalty.

[Not a Sock 2362]

4 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said:

Sark is not putting QE in position to perform to his game with his maintaining his overreliance on the horizontal game with slow developing plays and useless fakes.  Sark has a blind spot like many “offensive geniuses” in that they love their whiteboards more than the simple things.  

What does Quinn even do good that this point? I completely disagree with this take. I think it’s the polar opposite, Sark has adjusted his offense to Quinn’s capabilities it’s just that Quinn’s regressed so much that the offense is now a shell of itself. We used to scream about the deep shots on 1st down in 2022 that Quinn never connected on, so Sark took them out in 2023. In 2023 Quinn feasted on the intermediate game so Sark built the offensive around that, but even then Quinn still struggled with reading disguised coverages and going to his second and third read which caused serious issues in the redzone. Now in 2024 Quinn hasn’t progressed at all and I would argue has gotten worse in the delivery of passes in the intermediate game what does he even have left at this point? The only thing Sark could possibly do for Quinn is basically completely abandon his offense and instead go Texas HS style spread with Quinn doing quick throws to predetermined reads on a bunch of slants and wheel routes.

[RoyalBevo21 912]

2 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

What does Quinn even do good that this point? I completely disagree with this take. I think it’s the polar opposite, Sark has adjusted his offense to Quinn’s capabilities it’s just that Quinn’s regressed so much that the offense is now a shell of itself. We used to scream about the deep shots on 1st down in 2022 that Quinn never connected on, so Sark took them out in 2023. In 2023 Quinn feasted on the intermediate game so Sark built the offensive around that, but even then Quinn still struggled with reading disguised coverages and going to his second and third read which caused serious issues in the redzone. Now in 2024 Quinn hasn’t progressed at all and I would argue has gotten worse in the delivery of passes in the intermediate game what does he even have left at this point? The only thing Sark could possibly do for Quinn is basically completely abandon his offense and instead go Texas HS style spread with Quinn doing quick throws to predetermined reads on a bunch of slants and wheel routes.

Quinn actually throws on the move quite well. The fact that we rarely see him on designed roll outs is frustrating. 

[Bat Guano 363]

Their D-line beat our O line consistently and thoroughly. Same as the first game. All the holds and false starts, and the lack of a running game were a result. And special teams sucked. So we couldn't score. So we lost the game. Nothing complicated about it.

[RoyalBevo21 912]

5 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

What does Quinn even do good that this point? I completely disagree with this take. I think it’s the polar opposite, Sark has adjusted his offense to Quinn’s capabilities it’s just that Quinn’s regressed so much that the offense is now a shell of itself. We used to scream about the deep shots on 1st down in 2022 that Quinn never connected on, so Sark took them out in 2023. In 2023 Quinn feasted on the intermediate game so Sark built the offensive around that, but even then Quinn still struggled with reading disguised coverages and going to his second and third read which caused serious issues in the redzone. Now in 2024 Quinn hasn’t progressed at all and I would argue has gotten worse in the delivery of passes in the intermediate game what does he even have left at this point? The only thing Sark could possibly do for Quinn is basically completely abandon his offense and instead go Texas HS style spread with Quinn doing quick throws to predetermined reads on a bunch of slants and wheel routes.

Which is why if Quinn came back for another year and portal'd to somewhere like Tech or OK ST, he'd probably do very well. (See bold text) 

Edited December 8 by RoyalBevo21

[Not a Sock 2362]

5 minutes ago, RoyalBevo21 said:

Quinn actually throws on the move quite well. The fact that we rarely see him on designed roll outs is frustrating. 

I don’t know about this, Quinn already has bad foot work, he throws off his back foot when on the move and asks to get picked off. Throwing on the move is the thing Arch has shown the ability todo correctly with planting his feet and squaring up his body before releasing.

[89Horn 1735]

11 minutes ago, Slacks said:

So...

 I was pissed about the slow developing plays early, but I thought I was starting to see the plan... And then it disappeared, so I may have been wishing.

The middle opened up quite well, we just stopped trying to take advantage of it. I have to go back to see what unlucky thing happened. Probably a penalty.

I think the unlucky thing that happened is that Georgia’s pressure started getting to Quinn.  Slow developing works when a healthy, mobile (enough) quarterback has time to make a pass or scramble away from pressure to make a pass.

[Alien Octopus 630]

28 minutes ago, TejasPedro said:

It looked as if Sark found an old Spiral Green Notebook laying around labeled Greg Davis’ “Sneaky Extra Good plays that really do work” 

pregame warm-ups Quinn looked nervous, confused, he looked more stiff and uncomfortable than he does in the latest 444-4444 commercial

He sure did not look like any of those things when he was tossing dimes in the first half.  150+ yards. 

[DFW Horn 6637]

1 hour ago, RandomIdoit said:

I will never understand why they were throwing to the end zone on the last possession in regulation.  It put them into 3rd and 10 when there was still plenty of time left and you had timeouts. Pick up 4-5 yards on first down, then maybe take a shot at the end zone. Then on third down, you have more plays at your disposal. Maybe you don’t score but you can get a new set of downs. 

Ewers liked the match-up for some reason and thought Wingo could win a jump ball in that situation. Yeah, I know, poor choice to expect that from a true freshman.

[VaLonghorn99 358]

When you’d rather be watching the Texas D stopping the opponent than cringing for TFLs and INTs with Texas O, something ain’t right. In my time, with QB’s like Applewhite, VY and McCoy, we always had a chance. 4th and 21, no worries… not quite there yet.

[Tex-19 3009]

4 hours ago, bschoolprof said:

If you would have told me when he was hired that our main issue with Sark in year 4 was not program building, or defense, but instead offensive ineptitude and QB management, I would have been incredulous. But he we are. We are pretty good. We are close, but also far away. 

Exactly how I feel. Very perplexing. The run game has been really good the last couple years, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt that this year is an aberration, but we haven't had an elite passing attack any year under Sark which is shocking. 

[CHIEF 5201]

1 hour ago, Not a Sock said:

What does Quinn even do good that this point? I completely disagree with this take. I think it’s the polar opposite, Sark has adjusted his offense to Quinn’s capabilities it’s just that Quinn’s regressed so much that the offense is now a shell of itself. We used to scream about the deep shots on 1st down in 2022 that Quinn never connected on, so Sark took them out in 2023. In 2023 Quinn feasted on the intermediate game so Sark built the offensive around that, but even then Quinn still struggled with reading disguised coverages and going to his second and third read which caused serious issues in the redzone. Now in 2024 Quinn hasn’t progressed at all and I would argue has gotten worse in the delivery of passes in the intermediate game what does he even have left at this point? The only thing Sark could possibly do for Quinn is basically completely abandon his offense and instead go Texas HS style spread with Quinn doing quick throws to predetermined reads on a bunch of slants and wheel routes.

I truly feel like Sark is willing to take some lumps, and play Quinn, who not only is already immobile, but injured as well. He is dragging Quinn across the finish line and giving him every opportunity to improve his draft standing, which I am not sure is working. If he benched him, his stock would plummet. I don't necessarily agree with the philosophy, but I understand where it is coming from on a cultural level. Quinn has certainly won us more games than he lost, and Sark is the only coach to have his team in two consecutive CFP appearances. He can be a little loyal to a fault, but I'm not the one to say that is wrong. But it says a lot about how he cares about his players, and is willing to take some criticism on their behalf.

CHIEF

 

[VaLonghorn99 358]

6 minutes ago, CHIEF said:

I truly feel like Sark is willing to take some lumps, and play Quinn, who not only is already immobile, but injured as well. He is dragging Quinn across the finish line and giving him every opportunity to improve his draft standing, which I am not sure is working. If he benched him, his stock would plummet. I don't necessarily agree with the philosophy, but I understand where it is coming from on a cultural level. Quinn has certainly won us more games than he lost, and Sark is the only coach to have his team in two consecutive CFP appearances. He can be a little loyal to a fault, but I'm not the one to say that is wrong. But it says a lot about how he cares about his players, and is willing to take some criticism on their behalf.

CHIEF

 

That is commendable but the truth is what matters and that’s what will let you free!

[Hornsome 268]

3 hours ago, victory88 said:

Plenty of HC in the NFL call their own plays.  We are 24-4 in two seasons with Sark calling the plays.  Maybe we should stick to what works?  ….  There is shit to gripe about but holy hell at the stupid fucking posts.

Our best asset is not Sark’s play calling but our NIL and maybe close second is Sarks culture. You take away our top 5 NIL, and we aren’t 24-4 even with our easy schedule. We won this year in spite of our offense.  

Our offense has been putrid in the second half pretty all year and that is on Sark. Play execution is also on Sark. It’s called coaching. If the defense was making the same mistakes over and over, we would call out Pete.

As for NFL coaches calling their own plays, they still have good OCs.  Even Andy Reid hires OCs good enough to become head coaches.  We have Flood.  I never said I wanted an hot OC, that was your stupid take.  

I would like a competent OC to help.  Hell even Saban and Kirby hired DCs.  Yet some of us are aggys wanting Sark to do the same.

[RoyalBevo21 912]

1 hour ago, Hornsome said:

Our best asset is not Sark’s play calling but our NIL and maybe close second is Sarks culture. You take away our top 5 NIL, and we aren’t 24-4 even with our easy schedule. We won this year in spite of our offense.  

Our offense has been putrid in the second half pretty all year and that is on Sark. Play execution is also on Sark. It’s called coaching. If the defense was making the same mistakes over and over, we would call out Pete.

As for NFL coaches calling their own plays, they still have good OCs.  Even Andy Reid hires OCs good enough to become head coaches.  We have Flood.  I never said I wanted an hot OC, that was your stupid take.  

I would like a competent OC to help.  Hell even Saban and Kirby hired DCs.  Yet some of us are aggys wanting Sark to do the same.

This! Acting like a meathead and going full Hermensa acting like "only I know the best plays and that's what it's going to be." Is recipe to nosedive off a cliff back into obscurity. Saban was so good as a head coach because he was constantly bringing in coaching talent and reinventing himself. Being stubborn and full of ego is ignorant and a guaranteed recipe for failure. 

Having another offensive perspective and a challenging voice on the offensive staff is not a bad thing. 

[Hermanator 7570]

Sark's play calling was hampered by his choice of QB for the game. An immobile QB with a bad ankle who the Georgia defensive front knew would be right in the pocket all game was an easy target. Georgia has been stacking ridiculous in state talent on it's front 7 for years, and no OL in the country is going to boss them when they can just rush to a spot every down. You have to beat them by making them read and react to a mobile QB. They aren't a good defense when presented with that because they aren't particularly disciplined and their secondary kind of sucks now. 

How else does Alabama clown them repeatedly with Jalen Milroe? He does 2 things well. Run the ball and throws a great deep ball over the top. Seems like we have a QB on the bench who also does those 2 thing very well. 

Sark hung his OL out to dry by playing the wrong QB for the matchup. 

[closetohumping 17778]

18 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Sark's play calling was hampered by his choice of QB for the game. An immobile QB with a bad ankle who the Georgia defensive front knew would be right in the pocket all game was an easy target. Georgia has been stacking ridiculous in state talent on it's front 7 for years, and no OL in the country is going to boss them when they can just rush to a spot every down. You have to beat them by making them read and react to a mobile QB. They aren't a good defense when presented with that because they aren't particularly disciplined and their secondary kind of sucks now. 

How else does Alabama clown them repeatedly with Jalen Milroe? He does 2 things well. Run the ball and throws a great deep ball over the top. Seems like we have a QB on the bench who also does those 2 thing very well. 

Sark hung his OL out to dry by playing the wrong QB for the matchup. 

Not every sack is on the OL

[Hank Kingsley 21598]

Momentum is very real and very important in these big SEC matchups. Watching their games over the years, Kirby and Saban are so cognizant and intentional to gain momentum or steal it back. 

Kirby knew Texas took back the momentum after we tied it up at 13. The fake punt was a necessary risk, he had to get momentum back right there. It's a killer instinct that Sark needs to develop. 

I was just thinking about the 1st play of overtime where Arch came in. That was a holy shit! moment in a good way. Bam, run for 5 yards. Imagine if Sark had the stones to leave him in. Run it again. Then run it again. Maybe pass, or just run it again. Just Wild Arch are way into the endzone. It would have been epic and on par with some of the ballsy decisions we've seen in SEC games over the years. 

[Beer Drinker 685]

6 hours ago, Hookem2147 said:

We were having success against their corners. A jump ball to Wingo isn’t a prayer and we had just gotten PI two plays earlier.

One of the jump balls should have gone to Helm. 

[RoyalBevo21 912]

22 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Yeah, those runs right up the middle were fucking awesome.

Texas vs Georgia run cut up (sick AF in bed and have way too much time on my hands.)

 

Inside Run (between the tackles) 

1 • 2 yards

2 • 15 yards

3 • 5 yards

4 • 10 yards

5 • 3 yards

6 • 3 yards

7 • 5 yards

8 • 1 yard

9 • -2 yards (busted play) 

10 • 4 yards

11 • -3 yards 

12 • 2 yards

13 • 7 yards

14 • -2 yards

15 • 2 yards

16 • 5 yards (Arch Manning)

Total 16 carries 57 yards

 

Outside run (outside of tackles) 

1 • -3 yards

2 • -2 yards

3 • -2 yards

4 • 6 yards

5 • -1 yard

6 • 3 yards

Total 7 carries 1 yards

 

Sack yardage 6 for -27 yards

Net 28 attempts 31 yards 

Adjusted 22 carries 58 yards

Baddddddd

 

 

 

Edited December 9 by RoyalBevo21

[Steamboat1874 4283]

Pretty sure Blue lost yards every time he touched the ball, or at least it seemed that way.

 

[RoyalBevo21 912]

6 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Pretty sure Blue lost yards every time he touched the ball, or at least it seemed that way.

 

2 carries 2 yards

[Dnaguy 12572]

3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Momentum is very real and very important in these big SEC matchups. Watching their games over the years, Kirby and Saban are so cognizant and intentional to gain momentum or steal it back. 

Kirby knew Texas took back the momentum after we tied it up at 13. The fake punt was a necessary risk, he had to get momentum back right there. It's a killer instinct that Sark needs to develop. 

I was just thinking about the 1st play of overtime where Arch came in. That was a holy shit! moment in a good way. Bam, run for 5 yards. Imagine if Sark had the stones to leave him in. Run it again. Then run it again. Maybe pass, or just run it again. Just Wild Arch are way into the endzone. It would have been epic and on par with some of the ballsy decisions we've seen in SEC games over the years. 

This is the difference in the game.

Kirby had the stones.

Sark didn’t.

Plus our Special Teams were dog shit.

[closetohumping 17778]

Klatt. : same shit play calling as the Washington game

[Post Oak 20551]

Cant run the ball. Trouble blocking them when we drop back to pass. Manhandled up front.  Kicker is fucked.  Playing against the best front 7 we've played against.  Dropped a half dozen passes.  Multiple penalties. QB struggling with confidence and pressure.

Seems like he's calling plays while trying to put out fires.  

Edited December 9 by Post Oak

[TwiceHorn 31987]

On 12/8/2024 at 10:06 AM, Hookem2147 said:

We were having success against their corners. A jump ball to Wingo isn’t a prayer and we had just gotten PI two plays earlier.

Plus the first 10 yards after the LOS were getting mighty crowded down there.  We were having little success on the ground, even without only 25-30 yards to defend, and throwing a pass in there was muy peligroso, amigos.

[TwiceHorn 31987]

21 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

Kirby knew Texas took back the momentum after we tied it up at 13. The fake punt was a necessary risk, he had to get momentum back right there. It's a killer instinct that Sark needs to develop. 

 

Oh, I think Sark is well aware.  I think that explains some of his fourth down choices that provoked a bunch of howls of "take the points, idiot" from the peanut gallery here.  Sark doesn't take risks for the pure hell of it.

[TwiceHorn 31987]

30 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Klatt. : same shit play calling as the Washington game

Valid points he raised.  But he doesn't suggest other play calls that would work in those scenarios given our other weaknesses.

[Tex Long 4616]

No problems. The regular season is done. It's playoff time. You've been howling for the backup? Your voices have been heard: it's Arch time. The Legend Begins.

[Post Oak 20551]

The Touchdown Play.

[TwiceHorn 31987]

21 hours ago, RoyalBevo21 said:

Texas vs Georgia run cut up (sick AF in bed and have way too much time on my hands.)

 

Inside Run (between the tackles) 

1 • 2 yards

2 • 15 yards

3 • 5 yards

4 • 10 yards

5 • 3 yards

6 • 3 yards

7 • 5 yards

8 • 1 yard

9 • -2 yards (busted play) 

10 • 4 yards

11 • -3 yards 

12 • 2 yards

13 • 7 yards

14 • -2 yards

15 • 2 yards

16 • 5 yards (Arch Manning)

Total 16 carries 57 yards

 

Outside run (outside of tackles) 

1 • -3 yards

2 • -2 yards

3 • -2 yards

4 • 6 yards

5 • -1 yard

6 • 3 yards

Total 7 carries 1 yards

 

Sack yardage 6 for -27 yards

Net 28 attempts 31 yards 

Adjusted 22 carries 58 yards

Baddddddd

 

 

 

Appreciate the detail.  In the game thread, you'd have thought we did a lot more "outside" running.  The real complaint may be slow developing more than inside/out.

[Vic Mackey 47846]

57 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Klatt. : same shit play calling as the Washington game

Klatt is money as usual. These fade routes are ridiculous. The end of regulation and OT playcalling, coupled with the end of the Washington playoff game was dogshit. We don't have the QB to be running these plays, yet Sark falls in love with them too often. Also, a triple deke fake on 1st and 10 after we got the PI in the endzone. That killed the entire drive.

And hits the nail on the head about Arch. Quinn's lack of mobility hinders this offense completely. Teams can pin their ears back and come after him. There is no threat of him running they need to read and react to. They either sack him or he moves around and sacks himself often. Go watch these other games being played this past weekend and it's night and day. You don't need some Michael Vick type QB who wants to take off constantly. But having a guy who can extend plays with his legs and either pick up yards or find an open guy, is so valuable. If you don't have it, you better be able to throw guys open and make quick reads. Quinn does neither. He also floats everything.

Sark had the balls to sit Quinn against Gerogia, yet comes back to him after halftime. Made no sense. I keep reading it's a good culture thing to stick with your guy and improve his draft stock? Yeah, nah. Sark's #1 priority is to win games for Texas. Some say, recruits will love how loyal he is. I see it the opposite. Recruits also see once a guy is chosen, they have no shot, even if they clearly have a better ceiling. Sark sitting Quinn for Arch tells guys that the best players will play, no matter what. There are no favorites and damn your draft stock. That's on you to better by your play on the field. If Sark is only playing Quinn for that reason, that isn't good.

Sark goes to Arch first play of OT and we gain 5 yards, which is 20% of the yards we need to score. Arch is the perfect redzone QB when the field shrinks. He can run and you need to respect that or he will keep doing it. Remember, he came in and cleaned up Quinn's mess against aggy and saved that drive. Teams have to defend us so much differently with him. This opens up the run game and we can run RPO. Not one single defender needs to respect Quinn on any type of RPO play.

Love what Sark has done these last few years after taking some lumps his early years. And him turning his life and coaching career around. But he's dropping the ball on the QB. This reminds me of what the Buffalo Bills dealt with on Rob Johnson vs Doug Flutie. Flutie brough intangibles that Johnson didn't. Just like Arch does. Especially with Quinn mounting up these injuries.

 

[Hookem2147 21930]

41 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Valid points he raised.  But he doesn't suggest other play calls that would work in those scenarios given our other weaknesses.

We couldn’t run for more than 2 yards with the RB’s, our QB can’t throw open receivers at all or go through progressions and our OL was shaky the entire game. Not exactly a playcallers paradise in the redzone.

The Arch running solution probably should have been explored more in OT but at the end of regulation it wouldn’t have been smart to trot that out with the time crunch, especially after Ewers took a stupid sack on 1st and 10 at the 14 or wherever we were. 

It’s obviously our birthright as fans to always be bitching about playcalling after the fact once we know the outcome. Just like we always complain about the 4th downs we don’t get but don’t bring up the times we go for it and convert.

[closetohumping 17778]

4 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Klatt is money as usual. These fade routes are ridiculous. The end of regulation and OT playcalling, coupled with the end of the Washington playoff game was dogshit. We don't have the QB to be running these plays, yet Sark falls in love with them too often. Also, a triple deke fake on 1st and 10 after we got the PI in the endzone. That killed the entire drive.

And hits the nail on the head about Arch. Quinn's lack of mobility hinders this offense completely. Teams can pin their ears back and come after him. There is no threat of him running they need to read and react to. They either sack him or he moves around and sacks himself often. Go watch these other games being played this past weekend and it's night and day. You don't need some Michael Vick type QB who wants to take off constantly. But having a guy who can extend plays with his legs and either pick up yards or find an open guy, is so valuable. If you don't have it, you better be able to throw guys open and make quick reads. Quinn does neither. He also floats everything.

Sark had the balls to sit Quinn against Gerogia, yet comes back to him after halftime. Made no sense. I keep reading it's a good culture thing to stick with your guy and improve his draft stock? Yeah, nah. Sark's #1 priority is to win games for Texas. Some say, recruits will love how loyal he is. I see it the opposite. Recruits also see once a guy is chosen, they have no shot, even if they clearly have a better ceiling. Sark sitting Quinn for Arch tells guys that the best players will play, no matter what. There are no favorites and damn your draft stock. That's on you to better by your play on the field. If Sark is only playing Quinn for that reason, that isn't good.

Sark goes to Arch first play of OT and we gain 5 yards, which is 20% of the yards we need to score. Arch is the perfect redzone QB when the field shrinks. He can run and you need to respect that or he will keep doing it. Remember, he came in and cleaned up Quinn's mess against aggy and saved that drive. Teams have to defend us so much differently with him. This opens up the run game and we can run RPO. Not one single defender needs to respect Quinn on any type of RPO play.

Love what Sark has done these last few years after taking some lumps his early years. And him turning his life and coaching career around. But he's dropping the ball on the QB. This reminds me of what the Buffalo Bills dealt with on Rob Johnson vs Doug Flutie. Flutie brough intangibles that Johnson didn't. Just like Arch does. Especially with Quinn mounting up these injuries.

 

Middlecoff said the same only he thinks it's because Sark doesn't trust Quinn.

[closetohumping 17778]

2 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

We couldn’t run for more than 2 yards with the RB’s, our QB can’t throw open receivers at all or go through progressions and our OL was shaky the entire game. Not exactly a playcallers paradise in the redzone.

The Arch running solution probably should have been explored more in OT but at the end of regulation it wouldn’t have been smart to trot that out with the time crunch, especially after Ewers took a stupid sack on 1st and 10 at the 14 or wherever we were. 

It’s obviously our birthright as fans to always be bitching about playcalling after the fact once we know the outcome. Just like we always complain about the 4th downs we don’t get but don’t bring up the times we go for it and convert.

We are 97th in redzone scoring.  When does this fall on Sark?

[Hookem2147 21930]

Just now, closetohumping said:

We are 97th in redzone scoring.  When does this fall on Sark?

Redzone TD scoring or redzone scoring in general? Bert Auburn connects on 66% of his kicks so if it’s overall scoring I am surprised we are only 97th.

[Vic Mackey 47846]

21 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Middlecoff said the same only he thinks it's because Sark doesn't trust Quinn.

If he doesn't trust Quinn and we are eliminating parts of the playbook because of this, that's all on Sark for sticking with the guy he doesn't trust. Saban went away from Hurts in the middle of a national championship to Tua. And it saved that season as Hurts had nothing and Georgia was going to win. aggy went away from the guy that wasn't working in Weigmann. Granted, the guy they went to has his own faults but Elko made the move he thought was right. You can go down the line where this happened at all levels. If Quinn cares about his draft stock, transfer out next year and get a fresh start. We shouldn't have to suffer here because of it. Sark did it against Georgia but think he got cold feet and went right back to Quinn. And it's been a huge adventure since with Quinn. And not a good one.

[Wally Pryor 5388]

42 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Klatt is money as usual. These fade routes are ridiculous. The end of regulation and OT playcalling, coupled with the end of the Washington playoff game was dogshit. We don't have the QB to be running these plays, yet Sark falls in love with them too often. Also, a triple deke fake on 1st and 10 after we got the PI in the endzone. That killed the entire drive.

And hits the nail on the head about Arch. Quinn's lack of mobility hinders this offense completely. Teams can pin their ears back and come after him. There is no threat of him running they need to read and react to. They either sack him or he moves around and sacks himself often. Go watch these other games being played this past weekend and it's night and day. You don't need some Michael Vick type QB who wants to take off constantly. But having a guy who can extend plays with his legs and either pick up yards or find an open guy, is so valuable. If you don't have it, you better be able to throw guys open and make quick reads. Quinn does neither. He also floats everything.

Sark had the balls to sit Quinn against Gerogia, yet comes back to him after halftime. Made no sense. I keep reading it's a good culture thing to stick with your guy and improve his draft stock? Yeah, nah. Sark's #1 priority is to win games for Texas. Some say, recruits will love how loyal he is. I see it the opposite. Recruits also see once a guy is chosen, they have no shot, even if they clearly have a better ceiling. Sark sitting Quinn for Arch tells guys that the best players will play, no matter what. There are no favorites and damn your draft stock. That's on you to better by your play on the field. If Sark is only playing Quinn for that reason, that isn't good.

Sark goes to Arch first play of OT and we gain 5 yards, which is 20% of the yards we need to score. Arch is the perfect redzone QB when the field shrinks. He can run and you need to respect that or he will keep doing it. Remember, he came in and cleaned up Quinn's mess against aggy and saved that drive. Teams have to defend us so much differently with him. This opens up the run game and we can run RPO. Not one single defender needs to respect Quinn on any type of RPO play.

Love what Sark has done these last few years after taking some lumps his early years. And him turning his life and coaching career around. But he's dropping the ball on the QB. This reminds me of what the Buffalo Bills dealt with on Rob Johnson vs Doug Flutie. Flutie brough intangibles that Johnson didn't. Just like Arch does. Especially with Quinn mounting up these injuries.

 

Continues to be bizarre that Sarkisian didn't give Manning 8 - 12 snaps during the game. The Georgia LBs pinned their ears back going downhill on the RBs as they knew Ewers offered no chance of hurting them on any sort of read option.  Everyone saw King punish Georgia on that very thing a couple Friday nights ago. Inexplicable that Sarkisian didn't put that look out there for Georgia to deal with.

Oh well. 

[YChang 3531]

As great a culture as Sark has built and established with the players… I wonder what the culture is like with the assistant coaches/analysts speaking up on his play calling. 

[BurntEyes 6199]

4 minutes ago, Wally Pryor said:

Continues to be bizarre that Sarkisian didn't give Manning 8 - 12 snaps during the game. The Georgia LBs pinned their ears back going downhill on the RBs as they knew Ewers offered no chance of hurting them on any sort of read option.  Everyone saw King punish Georgia on that very thing a couple Friday nights ago. Inexplicable that Sarkisian didn't put that look out there for Georgia to deal with.

Oh well. 

Yeah inexplicable and bizarre indeed.

The only logical conclusions are:

A) He didn't recognize it from the first match up and in other similar matchups Texas played in.

B) He was unwilling to alter his game plan despite strong evidence that he should.

C) He didn't trust Arch in that situation due to lack of experience. (Which leads to a follow-up question. Why didn't he run Arch packages more often in the season to provide Arch that experience?)

All point the same direction in the end regardless of cause. 

[Wally Pryor 5388]

12 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Yeah inexplicable and bizarre indeed.

The only logical conclusions are:

A) He didn't recognize it from the first match up and in other similar matchups Texas played in.

B) He was unwilling to alter his game plan despite strong evidence that he should.

C) He didn't trust Arch in that situation due to lack of experience. (Which leads to a follow-up question. Why didn't he run Arch packages more often in the season to provide Arch that experience?)

All point the same direction in the end regardless of cause. 

Fair points. But you can also point to the need of pivoting and making in-game adjustments when it was clear the running game had no prayer well before the half. That would address the first and hopefully the 2nd point. If not the latter, then that's a concern on the unwillingness to adapt as you go in-game. On the final point, Sarkisian trusted Manning in a critical situation in College Station so I assume he would do so on Saturday.

 

[TwiceHorn 31987]

1 hour ago, closetohumping said:

Middlecoff said the same only he thinks it's because Sark doesn't trust Quinn.

I mean, would you trust Quinn throwing 10-15 yards into traffic with the killers that are Georgia?

[closetohumping 17778]

23 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I mean, would you trust Quinn throwing 10-15 yards into traffic with the killers that are Georgia?

According to some he’s elite.  

[BurgleBro 899]

On 12/8/2024 at 10:34 AM, Bat Guano said:

Their D-line beat our O line consistently and thoroughly. Same as the first game. All the holds and false starts, and the lack of a running game were a result. And special teams sucked. So we couldn't score. So we lost the game. Nothing complicated about it.

Was plenty of time for the QB to zip off passes on plenty of downs.   Red zone offense sure could have benefited from recognizing blitz situations but the OL pass block was easy good enough to win imo. 

 

ST otoh is much more directly responsible.  Which is 100% on the decision makers of this staff. Essentially pissing away a great opportunity by judging this feeble unit to be field worthy. 

 

[Tex Pete 21394]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Appreciate the detail.  In the game thread, you'd have thought we did a lot more "outside" running.  The real complaint may be slow developing more than inside/out.

 Both sucked, but the outside runs were even more abysmal than the inside runs. It was fucking stupid to waste downs trying to get outside on them.