2024 CFP Selection Show Thread - 11am on ESPN

[MrX 794]

Also it’ll never happen, but to help incentivize the bye further and make CCG mean more, have the first round games with the 5 through 12 seeds at the neutral bowl sites currently slated for the QFs, then have the QFs on campus at the bye seed’s stadium instead. 

[JBJ 3784]

The two positives about the auto-buys is that it keeps the majority of the country involved into the second round and makes the conference seasons matter.

[Huckleberry 34413]

18 minutes ago, MrX said:

Also it’ll never happen, but to help incentivize the bye further and make CCG mean more, have the first round games with the 5 through 12 seeds at the neutral bowl sites currently slated for the QFs, then have the QFs on campus at the bye seed’s stadium instead. 

I don't think that will happen because bowls are tied to New Year's timing. 

I still say the solution is guaranteeing the top 4 conference champions a bye or home game. So guarantee them a top 8 seed, not a top 4.

[Beau Vine 55851]

2 hours ago, MrX said:

The issue with giving conference champs a bye is it can dilute the better seeds and push down better teams into the 7-10 range, which is why people are griping about Oregon’s draw

I find it really strange that the NFL has given division champs better seedings for years, regardless of record (if the NFL playoffs started today, we'd have 11-2 MIN playing AT 7-6 TB) with zero prominent criticism, yet people have already lost their minds about the CFP doing it two weeks before the first game.

Edited December 9 by Beau Vine

[David Dennison 19446]

8 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I find it really strange that the NFL has given division champs better seedings for years, regardless of record (if the NFL playoffs started today, we'd have 11-2 MIN playing AT 7-6 TB), yet people have already lost their minds about the CFP doing it two weeks before the first game.

Doesn't the NFL re-seed after the first round? College should do that.

[Beau Vine 55851]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Doesn't the NFL re-seed after the first round?

No, because they're not stupid.

[Valmy77 13570]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Doesn't the NFL re-seed after the first round? College should do that.

The NFL does not re-seed.

[The Dog 44820]

NFL does re-seed. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs#Current_playoff_system

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• Re-seeding: Home field is determined by seeding number, not position on the bracket. The NFL does not use a fixed bracket system; the outcome of the Wild Card games determine the matchups of the Divisional playoffs games, with the lowest remaining seed in each conference traveling to the first seed, and the second-lowest remaining seed traveling to the second-highest remaining seed.

 

Edited December 9 by The Dog

[David Dennison 19446]

4 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

No, because they're not stupid.

But they do.

[MirrOlure 15226]

I think I read that this same format is set through next year.

You’ve got to think that if Boise and ASU get boatraced, and the same thing happens next year, they’ll revisit it.

But if those teams hold their own, then what’s the point of all this arguing?

[Valmy77 13570]

8 minutes ago, The Dog said:

NFL does re-seed. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs#Current_playoff_system

 

They keep their seed, they just don't have a fixed bracket.

The only time I remember a College playoff doing something similar is the pre-Super regional College Baseball playoffs.

They had 8 Regionals with six teams each. Those teams would be seeded 1 to 6. Then the 8 winners would be seeded again once they made the College World Series. There was no bracket or national seeds or anything. But that went away after the 1998 season.

[shnsajax 3606]

1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

I don't think that will happen because bowls are tied to New Year's timing. 

I still say the solution is guaranteeing the top 4 conference champions a bye or home game. So guarantee them a top 8 seed, not a top 4.

This is what I was thinking too. While living in Boise and knowing a couple of former players, none of them think they should really get a bye but will all gladly take it. But would it be more meaningful and have a better impact to have a home game instead? Curious to what the finanical impact would be to the city too.

[Huckleberry 34413]

That reminds me, green turf should be a requirement for home playoff games. 

[David Dennison 19446]

2 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

They keep their seed, they just don't have a fixed bracket.

The only time I remember a College playoff doing something similar is the pre-Super regional College Baseball playoffs.

They had 8 Regionals with six teams each. Those teams would be seeded 1 to 6. Then the 8 winners would be seeded again once they made the College World Series. There was no bracket or national seeds or anything. But that went away after the 1998 season.

College should get rid of the fixed bracket.

[Huckleberry 34413]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

College should get rid of the fixed bracket.

Not nearly as feasible with neutral sites for the quarters and semis. People are already making hotel reservations for later rounds. In the NFL those are all home games. 

And it's silly anyway. The issue is the seeding, reseeding doesn't fix that. 

[Beau Vine 55851]

10 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

They keep their seed, they just don't have a fixed bracket.

The only time I remember a College playoff doing something similar is the pre-Super regional College Baseball playoffs.

NCAA reseeds at the D2 and D3 levels once they finish the Regionals part of the tournament (8 teams in hoops, 4 teams in football).  

I wouldn't call what the NFL does "re-seeding;" they just don't set the bracket until after the first round.

[David Dennison 19446]

While we're at it, no committee.

[closetohumping 17792]

['stache 22128]

So if they awarded the byes but reseeded after the "play-in" games, and just using scratch wins based on the rankings, the second round would look like this? I don't think that's too bad of a system.

(1) UO v. (8) ASU

(2) UGA v. (7) BSU

(3) UT v. (6) Ohio State

(4) Pedo v. (5) Notre Dame

[The Dog 44820]

[TreatyOak 17266]

Guess Bama fans are mad at OU again, this time for knocking them out of the playoffs. We recall what happened last time. 

 

[JBJ 3784]

31 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Problem with this is that every other year it will only be SEC and B1G teams in the 2nd round.  (If you see that as a problem.)

[TOR 6122]

21 hours ago, hookem48 said:

He's actually a good announcer.

He knows what he is seeing out there.  Dammit.

[Beau Vine 55851]

41 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

While we're at it, no committee.

Good luck with that.

Committees are the lifeblood of university administrators!

[Bobby Layne 274]

On 12/8/2024 at 1:03 PM, Horn Dogg said:

It's going to be colder than a witches tit at Notre Dame after dark.

True. And Bloomington is 3 hour drive from South Bend. Indiana cold all over in Dec. 

[beer 3268]

4 hours ago, Js1 said:

Well Georgia has to make it. And we don’t play Arizona 

Ok Az State, whatever

[Js1 87098]

 

[Valmy77 13570]

Wow. The vast wealth of the rust belt putting us to shame.

[TrashMaster G 18052]

3 hours ago, David Dennison said:

College should get rid of the fixed bracket.

Reseeding is stupid.

[The Dog 44820]

Georgia releases a statement on Carson Beck and Brett Thorson after their injuries in the SEC Championship: "Georgia quarterback Carson Beck suffered an elbow injury during Saturday’s Southeastern Conference Championship game. He and his family are exploring treatment options and there is no current timetable on his return. Punter Brett Thorson sustained a knee injury to his non-kicking leg in Saturday’s contest and will require season-ending surgery."

[Js1 87098]

Seminoles are gonna have a field day 

[The Dog 44820]

Losing the punter is a big loss. He's outstanding. 

[Js1 87098]

Just now, The Dog said:

Losing the punter is a big loss. He's outstanding. 

Yep, even UGA fans are dismayed and think he's their biggest weapon.  Womp womp

Can we interest them in a Michael Kern? 

[Vermin 3171]

Hopefully they don't realize that Beck is extremely shitty even when healthy.

[Drew 2830]

On 12/9/2024 at 8:34 AM, Huckleberry said:

Again, all those easy not top 25 teams we beat have wins against Ole Miss (x2), Alabama (x2), Tennessee, Missouri (lol they're #19), and Ohio State.

Doesn't matter "Weakest SEC schedule EVAHHHH"

On 12/9/2024 at 11:46 AM, closetohumping said:

God that would be so good... a second round of Oregon/Indy, Penn St/ND, Georgia/OSU, and Texas/Tennessee.  Much better honestly.

21 hours ago, Js1 said:

 

I have it on good authority that the Playoffs would "Lose money" without Bama...

[Js1 87098]

The whole ticket price thing is weird in general because:

• State College is a bitch to fly into due to runway size.  So you basically need to fly into Pittsburgh, Philly, Baltimore or DC and drive 3-4 hours.  And there's not enough hotels in State College, so a lot of money is going to be spent outside of the immediate PSU area, as people may stay in the bigger cities and just drive in/out.  Cheap tickets due to horrific travel and accomodation costs.
• Indiana/ND is kind of the opposite.  Expensive tickets (first matchup of in-state schools since 1991) but pretty easy to travel to South Bend and then go back home for the in-state or Chicago residents. Won't be a lot of local economic boost for South Bend due to driving distance (3 hours Bloomington to South Bend / 90 min Chicago to South Bend / 2.5 hours Indianapolis to South Bend)

[gmr548 16681]

On 12/9/2024 at 7:17 AM, MrX said:

Also it’ll never happen, but to help incentivize the bye further and make CCG mean more, have the first round games with the 5 through 12 seeds at the neutral bowl sites currently slated for the QFs, then have the QFs on campus at the bye seed’s stadium instead. 

 

On 12/9/2024 at 7:37 AM, JBJ said:

The two positives about the auto-buys is that it keeps the majority of the country involved into the second round and makes the conference seasons matter.

 

On 12/9/2024 at 7:37 AM, Huckleberry said:

I don't think that will happen because bowls are tied to New Year's timing. 

I still say the solution is guaranteeing the top 4 conference champions a bye or home game. So guarantee them a top 8 seed, not a top 4.

I think you just go full NCAA basketball tournament. Expand to 16, autobids for all 10 FBS conference champions (not for the PAC or any other sub-8 league while they're in that state), no CFP polls just a committee selection/seeding at the end of the year. First round games at campuses. If you miss out on one for the 5 at large bids, try not losing to Vandy and Oklahoma.

Edited December 10 by gmr548

[Huckleberry 34413]

6 hours ago, gmr548 said:

 

 

I think you just go full NCAA basketball tournament. Expand to 16, autobids for all 10 FBS conference champions (not for the PAC or any other sub-8 league while they're in that state), no CFP polls just a committee selection/seeding at the end of the year. First round games at campuses. If you miss out on one for the 5 at large bids, try not losing to Vandy and Oklahoma.

I have always favored an automatic bid for any conference champion to make it a real playoff. However I don't think that ever happens in football, best we can hope for is any conference champion in the CFP top 25. So a 16 team field with straight seeding and automatic bids for any conference champ in the top 25 this season would be

#16 Army @ #1 Oregon

#9 Boise St. @ #8 Indiana

 

#13 Miami (FL) @ #4 Penn St.

#12 Arizona St. @ #5 Notre Dame

 

 

#15 Clemson @ #2 Georgia

#10 SMU @ #7 Tennessee

 

#14 Ole Miss @ #3 Texas

#11 Alabama @ #6 Ohio St.

 

 

Edited December 11 by Huckleberry

[Js1 87098]

 

 

[ztejas 44114]

On 12/9/2024 at 11:46 AM, closetohumping said:

As for the first image - I agree that setup makes sense but it would have made the B10 and SEC CCGs even more meaningless this season. 

Really what they need to do is go to 16, axe the CCGs, give the top 8 teams a home game and (maybe) give the best G5 one of the 16 slots.

6 hours ago, Js1 said:

The whole ticket price thing is weird in general because:

• State College is a bitch to fly into due to runway size.  So you basically need to fly into Pittsburgh, Philly, Baltimore or DC and drive 3-4 hours.  And there's not enough hotels in State College, so a lot of money is going to be spent outside of the immediate PSU area, as people may stay in the bigger cities and just drive in/out.  Cheap tickets due to horrific travel and accomodation costs.
• Indiana/ND is kind of the opposite.  Expensive tickets (first matchup of in-state schools since 1991) but pretty easy to travel to South Bend and then go back home for the in-state or Chicago residents. Won't be a lot of local economic boost for South Bend due to driving distance (3 hours Bloomington to South Bend / 90 min Chicago to South Bend / 2.5 hours Indianapolis to South Bend)

This is part of it. There are some other factors that account for a huge part of that discrepancy, though, 1 & 2 being the big ones:

1. Domer and Indiana have a much larger combined fanbase and a high % of that fanbase is located within spitting distance of South Bend. 

2. Happy Valley seats 25k more people. You couldn't find 25k SMU fans to go to that game if you gave them free tickets. It also (kind of to your point) won't attract as much neutral interest as it isn't particularly accessible from the closest metros.

3. Indiana/ND is a night game - SMU/PSU is at noon.

4. Indiana's fans have never had a big football game to attend in their lifetimes. It's like Texas making the Final Four in basketball.

[ousux 5635]

Notre Dame isn’t the same team they were in September. They’ve been mauling people for six weeks and are a legit contender. 

Much like people are saying about our schedule, exactly who have the Domers mauled?

If you look at it that way then the power of touchdown Jesus wasn't needed for most of their games.

[ousux 5635]

They could use a good desert wandering. I hope they can DeBoer prematurely and fuck up a couple hires. 
Although fuck me if I don't like them and their fans a lot more than Georgia. 

Georgia fans have surprised me most out of all SEC fanbases, and not in a good way.

[hookemATL 12229]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

 

 

Fuck the nittany child rapists. 

[WhatTheBuck 28910]

11 hours ago, Js1 said:

 

 

Of course students are going to get screwed in this. They’ll be screwed even worse in the later rounds. And how many students could afford to follow their team on a championship run anyway?  (How many season ticket holders, for that matter?)

[WhatTheBuck 28910]

9 hours ago, hookemATL said:

Fuck the nittany child rapists. 

Penn State seniors would have been around 8-9 years old when the Sandusky scandal broke. So by saying fuck the Penn State students you’re basically lowering yourself to Sandusky’s level, aren’t you?

[Huckleberry 34413]

You really try too hard sometimes. 

[JBJ 3784]

11 hours ago, ousux said:

On 12/8/2024 at 8:05 PM, ztejas said:

They could use a good desert wandering. I hope they can DeBoer prematurely and fuck up a couple hires. 
Although fuck me if I don't like them and their fans a lot more than Georgia. 

Georgia fans have surprised me most out of all SEC fanbases, and not in a good way.

Been living in the Atlanta area for 5 years and can confirm that this is a consistent thing.  The way I expected the Bama/UGA fan bases to be is reversed.

[hookemATL 12229]

2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Penn State seniors would have been around 8-9 years old when the Sandusky scandal broke. So by saying fuck the Penn State students you’re basically lowering yourself to Sandusky’s level, aren’t you?

No fuckhead. Fuck the institution. It’s just like Baylor. Anything related to that school can fucking burn.  

But please, go ahead and stan for Penn fucking State. As a fan of tOSU, it makes sense for your ilk to throw in with rapists. B1G pride!!!

[Js1 87098]

 

[Dnaguy 12598]

8 minutes ago, Js1 said:

 

Indiana vs ND in the snow at night would be awesome…. From my climate controlled house.