are there any anti-vaxxers here?

[Horn Dog 10158]

As a doctor who has cared for sick kids, and as a father, if I had been the doc having this conversation with these parents, I am 85% sure I would have ended up in jail after beating the shit out of those parents.

[HenryJames 67326]

 

[High Plains Drifter 11186]

The kid should be taken from the parents because the parents should be in prison for child abuse.

 

[Drew 2922]

So when do insurance premiums start to skyrocket because of kids/people getting tons of medical treatment due to caching diseases they shouldn't?

 

OR, just have vaccination be a prerequisite for your insurance coverage OR you're hit with higher premiums.  You don't want to vaccinate? Fine.  You pay for it.

[Huckleberry 34582]

Certainly would make sense to me to have vaccine information in premium calculation.

[Fozzz 152]

That sounds totalitarian.  

[jimmyjazz 47133]

2 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

That sounds totalitarian.  

LOL wut?

[David Dennison 19526]

So what do anti-vaxxer parents do when the little disease incubators want to go to college?

 

[Huckleberry 34582]

7 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

That sounds totalitarian.  

Seems like you have fast-forwarded your consciousness to where government runs health care and simultaneously removed your knowledge of actuarial science.

[Fozzz 152]

37 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Certainly would make sense to me to have vaccine information in premium calculation.

I assume you have no problem then with insurance companies using genetic information to adjust premiums.  

[Foosters 18269]

6 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

It happened to a second 6 year old Oregon boy??

[Viper 12219]

That's silly. An easy line can be drawn between calculating based on actions and decisions one makes and conditions not based on actions taken. 

[jimmyjazz 47133]

8 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

I assume you have no problem then with insurance companies using genetic information to adjust premiums.  

Do you have a problem with insurance companies adjusting rates for smokers?

[Fozzz 152]

8 minutes ago, Viper said:

That's silly. An easy line can be drawn between calculating based on actions and decisions one makes and conditions not based on actions taken. 

Slippery slope.  Road to serfdom and all of that.  

[Asithappens 978]

11 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Do you have a problem with insurance companies adjusting rates for smokers?

Wait, are you saying those two things are equivalent?

[Horn Dog 10158]

So I can have my kids taken away from me if I don’t make them go to school.  However, if I let them get easily preventable diseases and expose the entire community to health risks all while racking up a 800k bill for taxpayers to cover...nothing we can do?

[Huckleberry 34582]

28 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

I assume you have no problem then with insurance companies using genetic information to adjust premiums.  

I assume you're drunk if you think characteristics you're born with are the same as behavioral decisions.

[jimmyjazz 47133]

9 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

Wait, are you saying those two things are equivalent?

No, they're not equivalent, but they're both related to decisions made by the customer.

[David Dennison 19526]

1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

I assume you're drunk if you think characteristics you're born with are the same as behavioral decisions.

Well, the characteristics you're born with certainly affect behavioral decisions.

[Asithappens 978]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

No, they're not equivalent, but they're both related to decisions made by the customer.

I must have missed something then, sorry.

I just read "genetic information" and a lot of that is not related to decisions made by the individual. And by a lot, I mean practically all of it. 

But hell no, insurance cos should NOT be basing rates on genetic defects. Let's make the risk pool the entire us of a.

[Fozzz 152]

1 minute ago, Asithappens said:

I must have missed something then, sorry.

I just read "genetic information" and a lot of that is not related to decisions made by the individual. And by a lot, I mean practically all of it. 

But hell no, insurance cos should NOT be basing rates on genetic defects. Let's make the risk pool the entire us of a.

You think purposely introducing market inefficiencies will somehow benefit the average consumer of healthcare in this country?

[jimmyjazz 47133]

5 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

I must have missed something then, sorry.

I see the confusion -- I was trying to draw a loose parallel between smoking and not vaccinating one's kids.  The use of genetic information was a different discussion, but it wasn't really clear the way I quoted it.

[hobbes2702 13453]

44 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

I assume you have no problem then with insurance companies using genetic information to adjust premiums.  

In what way are vaccines and genetics similar in any way?

[Fozzz 152]

14 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

In what way are vaccines and genetics similar in any way?

I would imagine that "behavioral decisions" are conditioned to some extent by environmental factors, and thus are not totally unencumbered by factors out of the individual's control.  Thus, there is really on a difference in degree in the amount of control an individual has over those behavioral factors and something like his or her genetics.  Given that we are discussing a difference in degree and not category, there is really no sound basis in asserting that insurance companies should be able to discriminate on the basis of one and not the other.  

[jimmyjazz 47133]

Well, my stepdaughter's dumbass dad, who is the smartest dumbass I've ever met (holds a masters in EE from UT and is essentially ABD on his PhD), has partially poisoned her brain about vaccines.  Her son is almost 5 and is up to date until 6 on his vaccines but I fear she'll start skipping anything required after that, no doubt including HPV.  So, I guess she has been "conditioned".

It's still her fucking decision and I would have no problem with insurance companies charging her more.

[High Plains Drifter 11186]

On 3/9/2019 at 11:52 AM, Horn Dog said:

As a doctor who has cared for sick kids, and as a father, if I had been the doc having this conversation with these parents, I am 85% sure I would have ended up in jail after beating the shit out of those parents.

First, do no harm. Lulz.

 

Everytime these fucktards show their faces in public, they should be ridiculed and shamed and shunned.

Security guard at the local market should stop them and say "Wait, aren't you those fucktards who let their kid get lock jaw? Hey look everybody! Its the Stupid Family! HAHAHAHA!. Now get the fuck out."

[High Plains Drifter 11186]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Well, my stepdaughter's dumbass dad, who is the smartest dumbass I've ever met (holds a masters in EE from UT and is essentially ABD on his PhD), has partially poisoned her brain about vaccines.  Her son is almost 5 and is up to date until 6 on his vaccines but I fear she'll start skipping anything required after that, no doubt including HPV.  So, I guess she has been "conditioned".

It's still her fucking decision and I would have no problem with insurance companies charging her more.

Does your wife have custody? If she doesn't, I'd bet a good lawyer could use the no vaccines against the dad in a custody battle.

[High Plains Drifter 11186]

14 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

I would imagine that "behavioral decisions" are conditioned to some extent by environmental factors, and thus are not totally unencumbered by factors out of the individual's control.  Thus, there is really on a difference in degree in the amount of control an individual has over those behavioral factors and something like his or her genetics.  Given that we are discussing a difference in degree and not category, there is really no sound basis in asserting that insurance companies should be able to discriminate on the basis of one and not the other.  

What a load of horseshit.

 

[jimmyjazz 47133]

3 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

Does your wife have custody? If she doesn't, I'd bet a good lawyer could use the no vaccines against the dad in a custody battle.

She's 27.  (My stepdaughter, not my wife.)  The kid in question is my (step) grandson.  It's my wife's dumbass ex who is poisoning my stepdaughter's view -- he's my stepdaughter's Dad.  I'm sure this isn't abundantly clear, so here's a flowchart:

My wife's ex --> my wife's daughter -> my wife's daughter's son = no more vaccines

There is no "custody", although they do live with us.

Edited March 12, 2019 by jimmyjazz

[David Dennison 19526]

4 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

What a load of horseshit.

Not completely.

[hobbes2702 13453]

47 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

I would imagine that "behavioral decisions" are conditioned to some extent by environmental factors, and thus are not totally unencumbered by factors out of the individual's control.  Thus, there is really on a difference in degree in the amount of control an individual has over those behavioral factors and something like his or her genetics.  Given that we are discussing a difference in degree and not category, there is really no sound basis in asserting that insurance companies should be able to discriminate on the basis of one and not the other.  

[Asithappens 978]

1 hour ago, Fozzz said:

You think purposely introducing market inefficiencies will somehow benefit the average consumer of healthcare in this country?

Yet another who doesn't understand the nature of health insurance or the concept of a risk pool?

[Huckleberry 34582]

I would imagine that "behavioral decisions" are conditioned to some extent by environmental factors, and thus are not totally unencumbered by factors out of the individual's control.  Thus, there is really on a difference in degree in the amount of control an individual has over those behavioral factors and something like his or her genetics.  Given that we are discussing a difference in degree and not category, there is really no sound basis in asserting that insurance companies should be able to discriminate on the basis of one and not the other.  

You are attempting to argue that insurance companies should not be allowed to charge a higher premium on life insurance for professional daredevils.

It's an absurd argument to make.

As for the specific example at hand, the unvaccinated generally aren't responsible for their health insurance premiums until they're old enough to have learned better and gotten themselves vaccinated.

[Chooky 13340]

2 hours ago, Fozzz said:

I assume you have no problem then with insurance companies using genetic information to adjust premiums.  

You just made an apples to hand grenades argument while simultaneously shoving an orange up your own ass.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

On 8/15/2018 at 10:06 PM, Gil Bang said:

show yourselves. 

There are 30 other Trump tweets like this one.

http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/highlights/vaccines

Edited March 13, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

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10 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

There are 30 other Trump tweets like this one.

http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/highlights/vaccines

He's.... "slow".

[Mole 4338]

7 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

I assume you're drunk if you think characteristics you're born with are the same as behavioral decisions.

Surely failure to get vaccinated indicates certain genetic traits.

[HenryJames 67326]

 

[ChiTownDoc 21345]

6 hours ago, Chooky said:

You just made an apples to hand grenades argument while simultaneously shoving an orange up your own ass.  

I love how fozz positions himself as some sort of intellectual.  I’m not sure who’s dumber, that poor kids parents or fozz.  JFC

[safe sex 11992]

Can't wait to deal with drug-resistant versions of all these bugs. 👍

Edited March 13, 2019 by trauma babe

[Message Board User 12405]

Of course Russia Today is anti-vaccine.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

7 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Of course Russia Today is anti-vaccine.

 

This has been a big part of their information warfare strategy for at least five years.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

lol That’s awesome.

Hopefully he didn’t infect anyone else and hopefully he gets very itchy and it leaves lots of scars.

[Dnaguy 12620]

And then ... in like 10 -15 years he get shingles. Like a ridiculous case that involves facial and eye sores.

in all seriousness. Shingles sucks the big one. I had a milder case when I was in my 30’s. Caught it early and with Valtrax it really helped keep it from getting out of control or facial. It was still was incredibly painful.

And yes, you take the same medicine for genital herpes as you do for shingles.... that’s a fun trip to the pharmacy. 

[jimmyjazz 47133]

The pharmacist could not give less of a damn.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Fucking Kentucky man.

[jimmyjazz 47133]

I hope he's still alive when one of his kids goes blind due to opthalmic shingles.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

Fucking Kentucky man.

There’s a KFC joke here somewhere 

Edited March 20, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[USNALonghorn 5173]

On 8/15/2018 at 11:05 PM, TexArcher said:

I'm all for civil liberties, too.  But yours end where mine begin, and herd immunity is a real thing.

Parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids shouldn't be allowed to put them in public schools, or take them anywhere, really.

This. Biological warfare shouldn’t fall under purview of civil liberties. They all should be charged with reckless endangerment for knowingly refusing to protect themselves and minors from a biological threat.