Film Study Why we struggle running vs Georgia

[Hank Kingsley 21638]

If Sark truly wants to establish a running game, throw it in the goddamn opening script. Almost every start of our games is all about throwing the ball. Every opposing defense is expecting it at this point.  Against UGA last week this was our opening drive: 

Pass

Pass 

Pass 

Pass 

Sack 

Run (on 2nd and long) 

INT 

 

If you're asking your O-line to be physical and dominate in the running game, maybe show your confidence in them by calling more running plays from the very start. 

 

 

[Codaxx 6232]

39 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

We ran inside 14 times for 56 yards in the SEC championship game. 

We ran outside 5 times for 0 total yards. 

Drives were blown up by running outside for losses on first down, sacks, and penalties. 

I wont argue with the last statement. The inside running is inflated by the 15 yard run on 3rd and 27. Georgia conceded that one with a very light box in obvious pass situation. Before someone says you cannot take out the longest run because that is how averages work, there is difference between breaking a run and defense conceding the run. If you take that play out Texas ran the ball 20 times (by RBs) and gained 3 or more yards 7 times. 13 runs of 2 or less yards. If we look at 1st down runs. Texas ran it 14 times on 1st down by my count. They gained over 3 yards 4 times (including Manning's 5 yard run). That is a 27% success rate. Basically a passing situation on 2nd down 73% of the time. That is not good.

Edited Tuesday at 03:38 PM by Codaxx

[Pam Cummings 9829]

31 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

We ran inside 14 times for 56 yards in the SEC championship game. 

We ran outside 5 times for 0 total yards. 

Drives were blown up by running outside for losses on first down, sacks, and penalties. 

This seems to be the way i remember it. Too many stretch plays that get strung out and blown up. Just run the ball normally and dont be cute.

[Longhornlove 5158]

Its nice to have a thread/ discussion that properly identifies the failures of the offense.

[Huckleberry 34413]

19 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I wont argue with the last statement. The inside running is inflated by the 15 yard run on 3rd and 27. Georgia conceded that one with a very light box in obvious pass situation. Before someone says you cannot take out the longest run because that is how averages work, there is difference between breaking a run and defense conceding the run. If you take that play out Texas ran the ball 20 times (by RBs) and gained 3 or more yards 7 times. 13 runs of 2 or less yards. If we look at 1st down runs. Texas ran it 14 times on 1st down by my count. They gained over 3 yards 4 times (including Manning's 5 yard run). That is a 27% success rate. Basically a passing situation on 2nd down 73% of the time. That is not good.

Georgia did not concede that run. That run gave us 3 points to open the scoring. They had 3 down linemen, a mugged LB, an off ball LB, and a walked up safety who all were playing run at the snap to keep us out of field goal range. There is zero chance Smart conceded that, he wasn't going to be dumb and give up the first down but he was playing deep pass defense and run at the LOS.

And even taking that out, we went 13 for 41 on inside runs with three of them blown up by complete OL whiffs. My initial point was that we can run for 4 yards a pop inside against Georgia if our OL gets their heads right and we've both just proven that. This team can't run for 6 yards per carry against them but you don't need to do that to win. 

[Nivek 17372]

14 hours ago, Thatguy said:

 Figured it was time to take a look at why we are struggling running vs Georgia. There are many reasons. Sometimes we just aren't physical enough and don't block through the whistle. We turn guys loose too early allowing them to get back in the play. Sometimes the bunch sets don't help as they bring too many defenders close to the ball that wouldn't otherwise be there. However, most of the time it's just simply players losing 1v1 battles or just missing their assignment not Georgia stacking the box to take away the run like SOME posters like to believe.

 

Below we are running our signature OZ. GEORGIA IS IN NICKEL DESPITE US HAVING TWO TIGHT ENDS ON THE FIELD(12 personnel). This is where Sarkisian's stubbornness is bare ass naked for all to see. We should spread Georgia out an run on them like other teams do. But no we make the distance shorter for them to get to the LOZ. Some of you have heard me say you cannot beat Georgia by playing in a phone booth. This play is an example of that. At the snap Juan Davis(81) come across the formation to cut off backside pursuit freeing Helm up to climb to the backside LB. The line is dancing to left. Majors climbs to the second level to find work. That would make for a nice hole but Conner gets whipped immediately and Wisner has to move on. The edge would've looked pretty good but Golden runs right past the nickel. Wisner sees it, cuts it up, and just tries to get what he can.    

 

 

Just looking at the 5 second mark.   Uncalled hands to the face.  3 blockers doing fuck all.   We have a lineman who has been slung out of the way and Davis has to pick him up instead of his man.   Our WR doesn't block.  Forcing the RB to try for between two engaged linemen who make the play along with the unblocked man.    As shit as a performance as this was all around, it could have still worked if the WR blocked at all.   If the lineman could block, Davis could have taken on his man, and the running to the right should have been more successful than to the left.    

Pre-snap, Georgia has a guy timing the snap count, and he is moving forward when we snap the ball with 12 seconds left on the play clock, giving him the advantage.   

[Nivek 17372]

2 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

We were a finalist for the Joe Moore, wtf are you talking about?

Troy Smith has a Heisman Trophy.  VY does not.   

[Huckleberry 34413]

Look two plays before our only TD. I believe that was our only man-blocking-run-straight-at-them play all game (not zone, not power, no pulling OL). The only wrinkle was Helm crashing inside to double the DT. 7 yards. They didn't move the LOS 5 yards or anything but each one executed their block and it was an easy good gain. 

Two plays later three defenders are sucked up by RPO action and we score. It's not that our OL is completely physically outmatched against them. They can block them straight up or at least hold their own. What they can't do is block them while trying to read them on the move. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:13 PM by Huckleberry

[Codaxx 6232]

16 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Georgia did not concede that run. That run gave us 3 points to open the scoring. They had 3 down linemen, a mugged LB, an off ball LB, and a walked up safety who all were playing run at the snap to keep us out of field goal range. There is zero chance Smart conceded that, he wasn't going to be dumb and give up the first down but he was playing deep pass defense and run at the LOS.

And even taking that out, we went 13 for 41 on inside runs with three of them blown up by complete OL whiffs. My initial point was that we can run for 4 yards a pop inside against Georgia if our OL gets their heads right and we've both just proven that. This team can't run for 6 yards per carry against them but you don't need to do that to win. 

Thats the look. You cant see the other safety. Both are at 16-17 yards deep. Georgia looks to be in the cover 2 man, they ran in the majority of passing situations

Taking that run out and it is about 3 yards a carry on 20 carries. That is not good. 14 of the 20 carries (to RBs) went for 2 or less yards. I doubt it, but do you have the success rate on inside runs? (hoping from the same source). I am guessing it was quite low. Point being that neither run concept provided any kind of consistency success and kept Texas in front of the chains. Not saying inside runs were not better, but more the tallest midget.

 

[Rimbo 26874]

1 hour ago, Had Enough said:

One of the reasons Georgia has been the best program of the past 5 years is right here.  And they’ve had tons of success on the defensive front - recruits, wins, NFL guys.

All teams pretty much attempt to win right here.  You can argue that at the collegiate and pro level Georgia wins as much as anyone in that department.  Oh and that have a top notch defensive guy running the show.

Your LBs are toast if the Ol consistently get to them.  So your DL has to win battles or command double teams. We’ve had significant success here the past 2-3 years.

The thing that strikes me about this year's team, though, is how we've got starters, absolute playmakers like Helm and Taafe, who developed and grew into those roles, who were hardly top notch recruits.

When is the last time you remember THAT happening?

That, even more than star rating, is why I'm here for the Sark arc. Guys are going to reach their potential here if they work at it.

On the other hand, this is also where you see those same players' limits. Badly coached talent like aggy? We beat em. Well coached JAGs? We beat em. But well coached talent like Georgia? We're struggling.

And yet, we still could've and should've won the SEC title game. They just got into our heads.

But as for the running game, this is, I think, where that talent gap shows. With a guy like RoJo, or Bijan, or Brooks, we get yards on these runs that Wisner doesn't get. He doesn't have the speed to hit the edge against Georgia's LBs (you really saw this in our game in Austin), nor the strength to get YAC against Georg's front 7.

It's great that we've made a feature back out of a 3rd stringer impressed into service after injuries, but it isn't going to impress the Bulldog D.

[Codaxx 6232]

19 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Look two plays before our only TD. I believe that was our only man-blocking-run-straight-at-them play all game (not zone, not power, no pulling OL). The only wrinkle was Helm crashing inside to double the DT.

7 yards. Two plays later three defenders are sucked up by RPO action and we score. It's not that our OL is completely physically outmatched against them. They can block them straight up or at least hold their own. What they can't do is block them while trying to read them on the move. 

That is a nice catch. That is the trap/wham block I was looking for. Gunnar makes the WHAM block. Ear holed him. That is nice way to create favorable angles for Gunnar to execute.

(WHAM block is just using the H-Back/FB to trap to a DL)

Here it is

Here it is is time stamped

 

Edited Tuesday at 04:28 PM by Codaxx

[Dahobbs 18212]

10 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Look two plays before our only TD. I believe that was our only man-blocking-run-straight-at-them play all game (not zone, not power, no pulling OL). The only wrinkle was Helm crashing inside to double the DT. 7 yards. They didn't move the LOS 5 yards or anything but each one executed their block and it was an easy good gain. 

Two plays later three defenders are sucked up by RPO action and we score. It's not that our OL is completely physically outmatched against them. They can block them straight up or at least hold their own. What they can't do is block them while trying to read them on the move. 

Yeah, Georgia is fast and gets in positions more quickly than other teams. It disrupts the timing of our run blocking scheme and creates hesitancy in our blockers. Physically, we can block them ok straight up. But when you get that hesitancy, all the physical aggression is given up to Georgia's players and you end up with what looks like physical dominance. Georgia's personnel just hard counters our bread and butter running scheme. 

[Huckleberry 34413]

26 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Thats the look. You cant see the other safety. Both are at 16-17 yards deep. Georgia looks to be in the cover 2 man, they ran in the majority of passing situations

Taking that run out and it is about 3 yards a carry on 20 carries. That is not good. 14 of the 20 carries (to RBs) went for 2 or less yards. I doubt it, but do you have the success rate on inside runs? (hoping from the same source). I am guessing it was quite low. Point being that neither run concept provided any kind of consistency success and kept Texas in front of the chains. Not saying inside runs were not better, but more the tallest midget.

 

The mugged LB is playing draw, the off ball LB has Wisner in man, and the walked up safety is reading run at the snap, he doesn't even look at Helm. As I said they were playing run at the LOS and deep pass behind it. 

I already stated what inside RB runs were. 14 for 56 overall. 5 for 0 on outside. The source is my eyes watching the run plays. And we have already agreed that the OL played terribly in the game. All I said was that if our OL played like they're capable of and we focus inside then we can run 30 for 120 on Georgia. Your argument is essentially that if you take out the most successful run and also mix up the stats with the terrible outside runs then that proves that Texas can't run inside on Georgia. At least that's the best I can guess at your point. 

By the way, if you take out the best outside run then Texas ran outside 4 times for -6 yards. There was clearly a difference between run targets. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:41 PM by Huckleberry

[B00M 6728]

11 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

The mugged LB is playing draw, the off ball LB has Wisner in man, and the walked up safety is reading run at the snap, he doesn't even look at Helm. As I said they were playing run at the LOS and deep pass behind it. 

I already stated what inside RB runs were. 14 for 56 overall. 5 for 0 on outside. The source is my eyes watching the run plays. And we have already agreed that the OL played terribly in the game. All I said was that if our OL played like they're capable of and we focus inside then we can run 30 for 120 on Georgia. Your argument is essentially that if you take out the most successful run and also mix up the stats with the terrible outside runs then that proves that Texas can't run inside on Georgia. At least that's the best I can guess at your point. 

By the way, if you take out the best outside run then Texas ran outside 4 times for -6 yards. There was clearly a difference between run targets. 

You keep saying inside run vs outside run when the original discussion was inside zone vs outside zone. How many of those inside runs were blocked for outside zone and our RBs had to cut back because the shit got blown up? 

[MuellerHorn 4609]

16 hours ago, Thatguy said:

This last one is just a complete shitshow. Conner gets blown up. Multiple busts. RB never had a chance. The entire secondary could've just sat in the grass. They were not needed.

Conner is so bad that it really leaves me questioning how he is the best option at this point?

• It is purely because there isn't anyone better?
• Are Sark and company rewarding "experience?"
• Are the options behind him so far behind in technique that their physical upside isn't worth it?
• Something else?

There is no way he is more athletic/physically talented than some of the options behind him. With how well we have supposedly recruited and developed the OL, I'm left wondering what reality even is in terms of OL development outside of our OTs. The interior OL has had issues for multiple seasons, even against lesser competition. 

Edited Tuesday at 06:53 PM by MuellerHorn

[Codaxx 6232]

24 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

The mugged LB is playing draw, the off ball LB has Wisner in man, and the walked up safety is reading run at the snap, he doesn't even look at Helm. As I said they were playing run at the LOS and deep pass behind it. 

I already stated what inside RB runs were. 14 for 56 overall. 5 for 0 on outside. The source is my eyes watching the run plays. And we have already agreed that the OL played terribly in the game. All I said was that if our OL played like they're capable of and we focus inside then we can run 30 for 120 on Georgia. Your argument is essentially that if you take out the most successful run and also mix up the stats with the terrible outside runs then that proves that Texas can't run inside on Georgia. At least that's the best I can guess at your point. 

Come on. The 4 players on the LOS are #13 Mykel Williams (265), #92 Dawkins (280), #11 Walker (245), and #10 Wilson (250). You have #3 Allen (LB) and #2 Mondon (LB) completing the 6 man box. That is not an honest run front and why would it be on 3rd and 27.  Similar to PK's pass rushing specialist package. They subbed out a DL to bring in an extra LB. Its 2 DL, 4 Lbs, and 5 DBs. Shows you how Kirby feels about his LBs.

Edited Tuesday at 05:04 PM by Codaxx

[Huckleberry 34413]

12 minutes ago, B00M said:

You keep saying inside run vs outside run when the original discussion was inside zone vs outside zone. How many of those inside runs were blocked for outside zone and our RBs had to cut back because the shit got blown up? 

None of them. There was one possible outside zone that got blown up but I called it an inside zone for counting because it was hard to tell what it was supposed to be because the OL got beat so bad. Really our outside runs were pin and pull sweeps, a toss sweep. I also didn't count the snap through Manning's legs run for either category because it was clearly a one off kind of trick play. Also didn't count the outside zone that lost two yards because Wisner messed up the playcall. 

I counted three inside zones that were pretty clearly inside designs but others may disagree.

Edited Tuesday at 05:05 PM by Huckleberry

[Dahobbs 18212]

20 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

None of them. There was one possible outside zone that got blown up but I called it an inside zone for counting because it was hard to tell what it was supposed to be because the OL got beat so bad. Really our outside runs were pin and pull sweeps, a toss sweep. I also didn't count the snap through Manning's legs run for either category because it was clearly a one off kind of trick play. Also didn't count the outside zone that lost two yards because Wisner messed up the playcall. 

I counted three inside zones that were pretty clearly inside designs but others may disagree.

The one Wisner messed up may have been our best blocked one, at least from what I remember. 

[Codaxx 6232]

4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

The one Wisner messed up may have been our best blocked one, at least from what I remember. 

Games like this is where you really miss Bijan. He had the ability to set up blocks and make OL right. Definitely a couple runs, Texas could have gotten more out of the blocking.

One theory I have seen thrown around is Texas is too diverse in their run game. Usually teams specialize in something like OZ. Texas is running everything, which has its benefits, but it also highlights they dont have that go to play.

[Dahobbs 18212]

6 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Games like this is where you really miss Bijan. He had the ability to set up blocks and make OL right. Definitely a couple runs, Texas could have gotten more out of the blocking.

One theory I have seen thrown around is Texas is too diverse in their run game. Usually teams specialize in something like OZ. Texas is running everything, which has its benefits, but it also highlights they dont have that go to play.

Agree on Bijan and setting up blocking. 

As to the second part, there is definitely an element of that. But I think we do have a go to play. It just happens to be outside zone, which we can't run against Georgia. 

[Hank Kingsley 21638]

I still don't understand why we completely abandoned Jerrick Gibson in the rotation. Yeah, not a good pass blocker and had a little fumblitis later in the season, but that doesn't mean we couldn't have made him a red zone option. 

I mean, this timestamped series of plays is in Game 2 of the season vs. Michigan. 1st and 10 at the 20. Three Gibson runs, touchdown. Why did this end up being a random outlier? 

 

[Thatguy 9306]

29 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Games like this is where you really miss Bijan. He had the ability to set up blocks and make OL right. Definitely a couple runs, Texas could have gotten more out of the blocking.

One theory I have seen thrown around is Texas is too diverse in their run game. Usually teams specialize in something like OZ. Texas is running everything, which has its benefits, but it also highlights they dont have that go to play.

This is it right here. With Wisner a defense can be aggressive because you know he is going to be where the run is called. So as soon as you see your run keys you can get downhill to the spot. Bijan would stick his foot in there and when you got there he would be gone. So a defender had to scrape and fill or risk him popping from a different hole for 40. That gave linemen an extra beat to get a hat on someone.

[Longhornlove 5158]

Every time one of our guards pull, pass or run, Georgia gets aggressive as fuck and blows it up.

[Thatguy 9306]

1 hour ago, MuellerHorn said:

Connor is so bad that it really leaves me questioning how he is the best option at this point?

• It is purely because there isn't anyone better?
• Are Sark and company rewarding "experience?"
• Are the options behind him so far behind in technique that their physical upside isn't worth it?
• Something else?

There is no way he is more athletic/physically talented than some of the options behind him. With how well we have supposedly recruited and developed the OL, I'm left wondering what reality even is in terms of OL development outside of our OTs. The interior OL has had issues for multiple seasons, even against lesser competition. 

That's the thing. It's games like Georgia where he shows up. He holds up okay vs the rest of the schedule, even aggy. Georgia is just it man. They got dudes on top of dudes and if you struggle anywhere they will find it. To be honest thank the Lord for Milroe or those dudes would've had 3 trophies in a row.

[Thatguy 9306]

2 hours ago, Nivek said:

Just looking at the 5 second mark.   Uncalled hands to the face.  3 blockers doing fuck all.   We have a lineman who has been slung out of the way and Davis has to pick him up instead of his man.   Our WR doesn't block.  Forcing the RB to try for between two engaged linemen who make the play along with the unblocked man.    As shit as a performance as this was all around, it could have still worked if the WR blocked at all.   If the lineman could block, Davis could have taken on his man, and the running to the right should have been more successful than to the left.    

Pre-snap, Georgia has a guy timing the snap count, and he is moving forward when we snap the ball with 12 seconds left on the play clock, giving him the advantage.   

Everyone on that play does a good enough job except Conner and Golden. If Conner can just hold on for a split second longer Wisner can run up Majors backside who will turn and combo the backside LB with Helm. But Conner can't and dude is sitting in the hole when it's time for Tre to make a decision. The edge would still be available if Golden did his job and Tre would be able to scoot around the end for 4 or so. Golden seems to appreciate the dude's jersey number choice and give him a pass. "Go get your stats my dude".

[deech 2384]

31 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Every time one of our guards pull, pass or run, Georgia gets aggressive as fuck and blows it up.

The Film Guy's post-game on the Championship pointed this out as well.  On our outside zone plays, the GA d-line was not just lined up on the best shoulder for their players to beat the blocking on that play, but the defense's first step/stunt seemed to always be to slant into the gap on the run side.  I don't recall too many plays where they were lined up on the opposite shoulder or slanted the opposite way (or both).  It always seemed that GA was both lining up on the correct shoulder and slanting into our running plays.

 

  

[Pato del Muerto 53380]

4 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

We ran inside 14 times for 56 yards in the SEC championship game. 

We ran outside 5 times for 0 total yards. 

Drives were blown up by running outside for losses on first down, sacks, and penalties. 

We did have two runs that went outside for big yards, that got called back for holding on the wrs. Golden’s seemed very suspect and bond’s was more defensible a call but wasn’t being made consistently.  Those erased big gains into Georgia and also scoring territory and put us way behind the chains.  Difference making calls, both. 

[Longhornlove 5158]

24 minutes ago, deech said:

The Film Guy's post-game on the Championship pointed this out as well.  On our outside zone plays, the GA d-line was not just lined up on the best shoulder for their players to beat the blocking on that play, but the defense's first step/stunt seemed to always be to slant into the gap on the run side.  I don't recall too many plays where they were lined up on the opposite shoulder or slanted the opposite way (or both).  It always seemed that GA was both lining up on the correct shoulder and slanting into our running plays.

 

  

I need to go back and watch but pretty positive Weisner runs opposite of the side the RB lines up from the QB 90+ percent of the time. That is a guess based off of memory. That could be the tale they used to slant towards the intended play side run. I'll see if I have time this afternoon to chart something like that. I intended to watch that video but hard to listen to that Dawg homer even as good as he is. That might also explain why we typically have more success out of the pony(22) package however at this point no one but Weisner is toting the rock.

Edited Tuesday at 07:11 PM by Longhornlove

[Hookem2147 21975]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I still don't understand why we completely abandoned Jerrick Gibson in the rotation. Yeah, not a good pass blocker and had a little fumblitis later in the season,

Sounds like you do understand why we abandoned him. Same reason Jaydon Blue has received 4 total carries the last 2 games.

3 fumbles in 68 career carries for Gibson is about as bad as it gets. Maybe he’ll be good in time but outside of his garbage time carries against Florida I haven’t seen anything the last 2 months to say he should be seeing the ball more outside of the occasional short yardage carry.

Edited Tuesday at 07:19 PM by Hookem2147

[Crapinon 2370]

2 hours ago, MuellerHorn said:

Conner is so bad that it really leaves me questioning how he is the best option at this point?

• It is purely because there isn't anyone better?
• Are Sark and company rewarding "experience?"
• Are the options behind him so far behind in technique that their physical upside isn't worth it?
• Something else?

There is no way he is more athletic/physically talented than some of the options behind him. With how well we have supposedly recruited and developed the OL, I'm left wondering what reality even is in terms of OL development outside of our OTs. The interior OL has had issues for multiple seasons, even against lesser competition. 

When the guard pulls, the DT just stands in the hole and doesn't follow the pulling guard. Campbell (offside guard) waves at him and then goes and stands where there is no one, looking for someone to block. If he would have crashed down on the DT there was a lane to cutback for a gain. 

[BurntOrange&White 41718]

30 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Sounds like you do understand why we abandoned him. Same reason Jaydon Blue has received 4 total carries the last 2 games.

3 fumbles in 68 career carries for Gibson is about as bad as it gets. Maybe he’ll be good in time but outside of his garbage time carries against Florida I haven’t seen anything the last 2 months to say he should be seeing the ball more outside of the occasional short yardage carry.

I think if you need 1 yard near the goal line he's our best back at that, regardless of fumbles.

[MuellerHorn 4609]

1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

That's the thing. It's games like Georgia where he shows up. He holds up okay vs the rest of the schedule, even aggy. Georgia is just it man. They got dudes on top of dudes and if you struggle anywhere they will find it. To be honest thank the Lord for Milroe or those dudes would've had 3 trophies in a row.

I get that UGA is UGA. They have the best front seven by a large margin when they decide to play like it.

However, both Campbell and Conner are often rather pedestrian and inconsistent irrespective of the opponent. It shows up in many ways: false starts, holding calls, whiffed blocks in pass pro, pulling and missing their assignment, blocking no one, missed check offs in pass pro when there is a stunt/slant/delayed blitzer into a gap, etc.

14 minutes ago, Crapinon said:

When the guard pulls, the DT just stands in the hole and doesn't follow the pulling guard. Campbell (offside guard) waves at him and then goes and stands where there is no one, looking for someone to block. If he would have crashed down on the DT there was a lane to cutback for a gain. 

Yeah, I wasn't meaning to call out this play specifically. It was a question and observation based on the entire thread.

Edited Tuesday at 07:52 PM by MuellerHorn

[Thatguy 9306]

51 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

I need to go back and watch but pretty positive Weisner runs opposite of the side the RB lines up from the QB 90+ percent of the time. That is a guess based off of memory. That could be the tale they used to slant towards the intended play side run. I'll see if I have time this afternoon to chart something like that. I intended to watch that video but hard to listen to that Dawg homer even as good as he is. That might also explain why we typically have more success out of the pony(22) package however at this point no one but Weisner is toting the rock.

Which if Texas was self scouting they would expect that and wash the entire D-line toward their slant and pop the run in the cutback lane. You know. Like this below. Not sure why we fully insert our head in our asses when there is a G on the helmet across from us.

 

 

 

[Pato del Muerto 53380]

3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Which if Texas was self scouting they would expect that and wash the entire D-line toward their slant and pop the run in the cutback lane. You know. Like this below. Not sure why we fully insert our head in our asses when there is a G on the helmet across from us.

 

 

 

Maybe sark goes full vizzini when game planning for Smart’s defense

[Rimbo 26874]

18 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Maybe sark goes full vizzini when game planning for Smart’s defense

That would be inconceivable.

[Hank Kingsley 21638]

1 hour ago, Hookem2147 said:

Sounds like you do understand why we abandoned him. Same reason Jaydon Blue has received 4 total carries the last 2 games.

3 fumbles in 68 career carries for Gibson is about as bad as it gets. Maybe he’ll be good in time but outside of his garbage time carries against Florida I haven’t seen anything the last 2 months to say he should be seeing the ball more outside of the occasional short yardage carry.

We have only 3 legitimate options at RB. I like Wisner a lot. Don't think much of Blue as a ball carrier. 

Trying to create a physical and effective running attack almost strictly with Wisner seems foolish to me. He's a very solid RB, have liked him since Day 1 last year when he was a ST demon. He is not built to be a bellcow RB. Style wise, I think Wisner/Gibson can be an effective 1-2 punch. 

Our offense has been in neutral with struggles in the redzone for months (outside of the FLA game). It'd be nice to try something new. 

 

[Hookem2147 21975]

27 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

We have only 3 legitimate options at RB. I like Wisner a lot. Don't think much of Blue as a ball carrier. 

Trying to create a physical and effective running attack almost strictly with Wisner seems foolish to me. He's a very solid RB, have liked him since Day 1 last year when he was a ST demon. He is not built to be a bellcow RB. Style wise, I think Wisner/Gibson can be an effective 1-2 punch. 

Our offense has been in neutral with struggles in the redzone for months (outside of the FLA game). It'd be nice to try something new. 

 

I don't disagree, but when they tried something new against Kentucky by throwing in Gibson in the third quarter of a non-blowout, he immediately put the ball on the ground.

The Arch package seems far more likely to be a redzone answer than asking Gibson to traditional run game stuff at this point. 

 

Edited Tuesday at 09:06 PM by Hookem2147

[Codaxx 6232]

4 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

I don't disagree, but when they tried something new against Kentucky by throwing in Gibson in the third quarter of a non-blowout, he immediately put the ball on the ground.

Arch seems far more likely to be a redzone answer than Gibson at this point. 

 

I talked to Sark. Keep this on the down low, but the Playoff Redzone package will be Arch at Qb and Ant Hill at RB..

[Hank Kingsley 21638]

2 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

I don't disagree, but when they tried something new against Kentucky by throwing in Gibson in the third quarter of a non-blowout, he immediately put the ball on the ground.

Arch seems far more likely to be a redzone answer than Gibson at this point. 

 

That was a bad fumble, but in the middle of 15 straight minutes of assclown dumbfuckery by multiple Texas players. 

He's a true freshman. They make mistakes. He can only prove he can protect the ball if he gets the ball again.  On the list of devastating or crucial turnovers committed by our players, his are way down the list.

 

 

[BurntOrange&White 41718]

8 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

I don't disagree, but when they tried something new against Kentucky by throwing in Gibson in the third quarter of a non-blowout, he immediately put the ball on the ground.

Arch seems far more likely to be a redzone answer than Gibson at this point. 

 

Yes, lets use our multi-million dollar soon to be starting QB as a battering ram!

[Gucci_Suit 2812]

4 hours ago, Rimbo said:

The thing that strikes me about this year's team, though, is how we've got starters, absolute playmakers like Helm and Taafe, who developed and grew into those roles, who were hardly top notch recruits.

When is the last time you remember THAT happening?

That, even more than star rating, is why I'm here for the Sark arc. Guys are going to reach their potential here if they work at it.

On the other hand, this is also where you see those same players' limits. Badly coached talent like aggy? We beat em. Well coached JAGs? We beat em. But well coached talent like Georgia? We're struggling.

And yet, we still could've and should've won the SEC title game. They just got into our heads.

But as for the running game, this is, I think, where that talent gap shows. With a guy like RoJo, or Bijan, or Brooks, we get yards on these runs that Wisner doesn't get. He doesn't have the speed to hit the edge against Georgia's LBs (you really saw this in our game in Austin), nor the strength to get YAC against Georg's front 7.

It's great that we've made a feature back out of a 3rd stringer impressed into service after injuries, but it isn't going to impress the Bulldog D.

This is so true. Even when our OL are whiffing assignments, you can clearly see what the play was “supposed” to do. The cutback lanes flash for a moment. Wis just ain’t athletic enough to make the first guy miss or get trucked. 

Few guys are actually. UGA is good. 

Baxter is that good tho. I think. 

Edited Tuesday at 09:02 PM by Gucci_Suit
Baxter

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5 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Georgia did not concede that run. That run gave us 3 points to open the scoring. They had 3 down linemen, a mugged LB, an off ball LB, and a walked up safety who all were playing run at the snap to keep us out of field goal range. There is zero chance Smart conceded that, he wasn't going to be dumb and give up the first down but he was playing deep pass defense and run at the LOS.

And even taking that out, we went 13 for 41 on inside runs with three of them blown up by complete OL whiffs. My initial point was that we can run for 4 yards a pop inside against Georgia if our OL gets their heads right and we've both just proven that. This team can't run for 6 yards per carry against them but you don't need to do that to win. 

Hell, give me 3.5 and we’re money.

[Hookem2147 21975]

8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Yes, lets use our multi-million dollar soon to be starting QB as a battering ram!

*The Arch package.

I'm not asking Arch to run QB power 5 times a game. But the threat of his legs should open up more options in the redzone, which is probably what this offense needs since we aren't very good at just straight up mauling people in the run game and have a QB who struggles when the field gets condensed and he has to throw guys open more.

[Hard Times 309]

11 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Their dline isn't unbeatable. But it is a bad matchup for us. And, for whatever reason, Georgia just plays differently against us. Their guys make plays that they haven't done consistently throughout the season. 

Which still begs the question, Why?? Why can teams that Texas dominated score more than 20 pts against GA and Texas can't? Why can Umass run the ball? It has to be more than that. Either Smart is this seasons Jim Harbough, and their players even said they always knew what was coming, or there's flaws in Sark's scheme.

I certainly don't see an effort issue. I did see a lot of execution problems. And maybe that has something to do with scheme.

[Hank_Hill 19840]

You know what will fix our RZ problems? Fumbles and terrible pass protection 

[BurntOrange&White 41718]

Just now, Hank_Hill said:

You know what will fix our RZ problems? Fumbles and terrible pass protection 

Or our multi million dollar starting QB not having 15% TWP's at 10-19 yards on plays that aren't playaction/RPO.

[Hard Times 309]

1 hour ago, Crapinon said:

When the guard pulls, the DT just stands in the hole and doesn't follow the pulling guard. Campbell (offside guard) waves at him and then goes and stands where there is no one, looking for someone to block. If he would have crashed down on the DT there was a lane to cutback for a gain. 

Yes, I don't know why everyone wants to crap on Conner. The season grades are posted on the OL thread, I'm not going to re-post them here, but Conner did quit well. He scored much higher than our 2 Heisman Trophy winners. He might have struggled some against the GA DT's, but overall he has been very good. The right side of the line has been the most glaring issue all season.

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3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I still don't understand why we completely abandoned Jerrick Gibson in the rotation. Yeah, not a good pass blocker and had a little fumblitis later in the season, but that doesn't mean we couldn't have made him a red zone option. 

I mean, this timestamped series of plays is in Game 2 of the season vs. Michigan. 1st and 10 at the 20. Three Gibson runs, touchdown. Why did this end up being a random outlier? 

 

Banks just put on a clinic in the first run of that set. Double team the DT, then climbed to the backer. Absolute OL porn. 

[Hank_Hill 19840]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Or our multi million dollar starting QB not having 15% TWP's at 10-19 yards on plays that aren't playaction/RPO.

Cool. That has jack shit to do with Gibson. Take it to the Ewers diarrhea circle jerk

[BurgleBro 909]

19 hours ago, Thatguy said:

 Figured it was time to take a look at why we are struggling running vs Georgia. There are many reasons. Sometimes we just aren't physical enough and don't block through the whistle. We turn guys loose too early allowing them to get back in the play. Sometimes the bunch sets don't help as they bring too many defenders close to the ball that wouldn't otherwise be there. However, most of the time it's just simply players losing 1v1 battles or just missing their assignment not Georgia stacking the box to take away the run like SOME posters like to believe.

 

Below we are running our signature OZ. GEORGIA IS IN NICKEL DESPITE US HAVING TWO TIGHT ENDS ON THE FIELD(12 personnel). This is where Sarkisian's stubbornness is bare ass naked for all to see. We should spread Georgia out an run on them like other teams do. But no we make the distance shorter for them to get to the LOZ. Some of you have heard me say you cannot beat Georgia by playing in a phone booth. This play is an example of that. At the snap Juan Davis(81) come across the formation to cut off backside pursuit freeing Helm up to climb to the backside LB. The line is dancing to left. Majors climbs to the second level to find work. That would make for a nice hole but Conner gets whipped immediately and Wisner has to move on. The edge would've looked pretty good but Golden runs right past the nickel. Wisner sees it, cuts it up, and just tries to get what he can.    

 

 

Juan Davis had so many snaps on re watch.

He was actually stupid wide open on a failed late 2nd Q attempt.   Q clearly doesn't acknowledge him. 

But for as many snaps as he got and as easy as we were spreading it out on them, I almost feel we should have tried going Tech on their asses and passing on their asses without any regard until they stopped it.  

Just my 2cents after watching the first half again.